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  • #18449
    ScaryB @scaryb

    @fatmaninabox (good to see you’re keeping yourself busy!!)

    Re the Alex Kingston link (and thanks for posting) – good to see she’s getting some fanlove, but what made me most excited is towards the end of her thank-you vid she more than hints that River is coming back

    Re the found episodes – they’ve reported they’ve found 11 episodes (Enemy of the World and Web of Fear), but 2 of those weren’t missing (#3 of Enemy and #1 of Web). #3 of Web is still missing but there’s a recon of that epi with audio and still photos.  Both serials are 6 episodes long. (and as @Shazzbot says you get added trailers with itunes 😉

    Re THE trailer “The Moff’ says it’s far to early to screen NoTD trailer” (I presume you mean DotD rather than NotD? 😉 ) – I suspect the following:

    1- they KNOW it’ll be freeze-framed to within an inch of its life and examined pixel by pixel for clues so maybe don’t want to give too much time for that

    2. it’s not finished yet!!

    3. Moffat’s a tease and is enjoying winding us all up!

    (Amount of spoilers in it will depend who’s making the trailer – I think it’s usually marketing/promo dept but I did hear (on here?) that this one’s being done by the production team)

     

    #18451
    ScaryB @scaryb

    Just for info – iTunes charts – Web of Fear and Enemy are currently no 1 and no 2 in TV Series charts (above Breaking Bad, Homeland, Downton and Arsenal FC)

    😀

    (Been there since at least Sunday – sorry can’t do the screen grab)

    #18480
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    It seems Ben Wheatley is down to direct two episodes of Doctor Who.

    #18522
    Anonymous @

    @scaryb  Oops, I misread the BBC America article 😳  Yes, I did mean DoTD, it was just a test to see if you were all awake 😉

    (Amount of spoilers in it will depend who’s making the trailer – I think it’s usually marketing/promo dept but I did hear (on here?) that this one’s being done by the production team)

    I don’t know for definite if this is the case but I posted this on the 50th Anniversary thread

    #18529
    Anonymous @

    @phaseshift – re your comment earlier

    Might you be able to point me toward other places which might want Doctor Who Celebration tickets?  There don’t appear to be any Forum members who are able to partake of them.

    #18542
    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord

    @shazzbot

    I’m away at the moment, but will PM you when I get back. I don’t want to send you to too many Lions Dens.

    #18543
    PhaseShift @phaseshift
    Time Lord

    @whohar @janetteb (plus any other Oz/NZ)

    As luck would have it, after @WhaHar s question about cimena screenings, I got a notification about this today:

    Cinemas announced for 3D screenings in Australia and New Zealand

    Looks like the cinema get a couple a bits of exclusive content as well.

    #18546
    wolfweed @wolfweed
    #18555
    Anonymous @

    @phaseshift – thanks, I’ll look forward to your message when you return home.

    Although, ‘The Rani in the Lion’s Den’ has a nice episode-name ring to it … 🙂

    #18570
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    Six stills have been released for Day of The Doctor. They’re on the official BBC Doctor Who site, so I presume they’ve been approved for release. 😉  Especially since they tell us absolutely nothing that we don’t already know. 😀

    #18571
    Anonymous @

    Oooh @bluesqueakpip – The Hurt Doctor has a red tip on his sonic.  Eeeenteresting …

    #18573
    ScaryB @scaryb

    @bluesqueakpip Thanks for posting, really nice pics.  Love the one of the 3 Doctors, with JH effortlessly upstaging everyone 🙂 (And well spotted @shazzbot, it is indeed (tho your comment does come across as a bit oo, er missus! 😉 ))

    #18574
    Anonymous @

    @scaryb – ha ha ha!  You shoulda seen how my comment originally ended before I decided Carry On Screwdriving was perhaps not entirely apt … 😆

    #18576
    ScaryB @scaryb

    In the new photos in the link posted by @bluesqueakpip – the first one, with Tennant – is that his TARDIS? (the rest are clearly Matt’s new one)

    <gets a bit overexcited about 3 Doctors and 2 TARDISes)>

    #18578
    CraigNixon @craignixon

    As a bit of a aside – I wonder if JH has a red tip and MS/DT have Green as SM is a Star Wars fan?

    All sith have Red/Orange etc and Jedi tend to have Green/Blue etc?

     

    A bit meta perhaps?

    (I’m not sure I’m using that word right!)

    #18623
    ScaryB @scaryb

    Happy 47th birthday to Mark Gatiss

     

    #18625
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/10/royal-party-171013081117.html

    A party is to be held at Buckingham Palace next month to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who…
    z

    #18626
    wolfweed @wolfweed
    #18670
    Anonymous @

    David Tennant has yet another theatre triumph in Shakespeare:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/theatre-dance/reviews/first-night-richard-ii-royal-shakespeare-theatre-stratforduponavon-8887542.html

    They covered themselves in glory five years ago with Hamlet; now David Tennant and Gregory Doran join forces again for this lucid and gripping account of Richard II.

    #18672
    ScaryB @scaryb

    @Shazzbot – thanks for the Tennant link. Good to hear it’s going well. RSC are usually rock solid in productions. (What’s with Doctors and hair…? (would be a sensation if he wore that in the 50th, haha (it’s been a long time since he was in the TARDIS))

    Meanwhile here’s a link to Metro’s thoughts on the recent photos. (Now they mention it, that sonic is remarkably prominent)

    http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/16/doctor-who-how-could-the-doctor-cheat-the-12-regenerations-rule-in-the-day-of-the-doctor-4147862/

    <jumps and down re their spot on Tennant’s TARDIS* – I saw that too!!>

    *So we have a spare TARDIS – does that scupper thoughts that it’s metaTennant who’s in the 50th?

    #18673
    Anonymous @

    @scaryb – in the link you provided, they’ve merely regurgitated the Radio Times article which collated all the RT readers’ theories on additional regenerations.

    But then, that’s what Metro is – what do they call that?  Churnalism?  😀

    Here’s the Metro link to the discussion on the 6 photos:
    http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/16/doctor-who-what-do-the-new-the-day-of-the-doctor-photos-reveal-about-the-50th-anniversary-special-4147829/

    I’m sorry to say I noticed the red tip on Hurt Doctor’s sonic, but totally missed the ‘ammunition belt’ get-up he’s wearing which implies he has more to whip out ** in times of need.  Verrrry eeenteresting indeed.

    ** ‘whip out’ made me remember your ‘ooh err Miss!’ comment about the red tip … 😆

    #18674
    Anonymous @

    PS @scaryb – yep, good call on Tennant’s Tardis.

    Although is it a spare Tardis?  Or does the Tardis still hold images of all the previous console rooms?  (Were they jettisoned in The Doctor’s Wife?)

    #18675
    toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond

    maybe he has different colours for different jobs? a nice teak tipped one for wood maybe.

    was it not mentioned by River(SITL} and in Cold war that red was a weapons setting that 10 and 11 didn’t know about yet?

    #18677

    @Shazzbot

    Churnalism?

    No. Churnalism is the recycling of press releases without critical input from the journalist. Everytime you see an abundance of “marketing-speak” in a news story or feature where plain English belongs, that’s the key indicator.

    #18680
    wolfweed @wolfweed
    #18686
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @toinfinityandbepond – no, the Smith Doctor had a red setting in Cold War, when he was threatening to blow up the submarine and kill everyone on board.

    I noticed the Tennant TARDIS – are they ever going to get rid of that set, or were they using the Doctor Who Exhibition one? But not that the Sonic was in an ammo belt style holder.

    #18693
    Anonymous @

    @scaryb I’ve been pondering on the re-appearance of Doc10’s TARDIS since those photos were released. The most obvious (and most boring 🙂 ) answer is that this is the real Doc10.

    I’ve come up with a couple of alternatives that could make it possible for Meta10 to appear in DoTD.

    1) In a deleted scene from Journey’s End (so probably not canon), Doc10 gave Meta10 a piece of the TARDIS so that he could grow his own. Could this be it?

    2) What happened to the TARDIS that Doc11 built? I know House deleted the old console room but would the other TARDIS have been deleted as well? Suppose that, off screen, Doc11 recovered it and has been tinkering with it in order to make it fully functional, perhaps with the intention of breaking through to the Alternate Universe (Rose managed it so I’m sure The Doctor could!) and giving it to Meta10.

    Whether it’s Doc10 or Meta10, I’m just chuffed to see the ‘old girl’ again (and Doc10, of course ) 🙂

    #18694
    Anonymous @

    @pedant — it’s not necessarily press releases, though you’re right it largely is. Churnalism can also just be copy lifted verbatim from the wires without any rewriting or checking done on it. And this is largely what Metro is — as well as recycled copy from its sister paper the Daily Mail. So Shazzbot is not all that wrong on this one, although just ripping a story from another source and renosing has gone on since time immemorial it is, I suppose, still a kind of churnalism (the definition I’d probably use is any kind of artificially manufactured news story)

    #18700

    Yeah – but the wires aren’t exactly renowned for their investigative prowess (or even fact checking)….

    For me the defining feature of churnalism is the failure to remove spin: PRs rely on this for their living.

    (All news stories are artificially manufactured – the “angle” that makes the papers is all-too-often not the most important one, especially now there are very few proper specialists left)

    #18704
    toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond

    reported in the daily record that Karen Gillan’s Romcom took £6k at the box office in its first week.

    anyone seen it?

    #18705
    toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond

    and she wants to auction off her ginger wig, made from her real hair when she went bald, for charridee but reckons it will go to a pervert

    #18706
    Anonymous @

    @pedant

    — the wires aren’t exactly renowned for their investigative prowess (or even fact checking)….

    that’s kind of the point. They’re not really meant to be. All they’re there to do is to give the bare bones. The respective newsdesks are then meant to build the story upon it. It’s their job to follow up and do the fact checking and so on.

    All news stories are artificially manufactured

    Nah, angling a story to your readership is not really the same as an artificially manufactured news story.  It’s certainly not the same thing as ‘churnalism’. There’s such a thing as a bona fide breaking story and legitimate news stories in general and just because they’ve been nosed in a certain way doesn’t make them ‘artificial’. It’s just part of the craft.

    I’d argue that it’s an entirely different thing from a thinly disguised (or often not even disguised at all) puff piece culled from a press release or extrapolated from social media (news stories based on Twitter spats really get my goat at the moment) or ripped from another publication, (which is something that’s always gone on). These are ‘not news’ pretending to be ‘news’.

    Beaverbrook once said that ‘news’ is something that someone somewhere wants suppressed. I still think that’s a fairly good definition. Perhaps a good definition of ‘churnalism’ is that it’s precisely the opposite. It’s something that someone somewhere wants disseminated as widely as possible, and often ideally under the pretence that they don’t, that it is actually ‘news’.

    But you’re right, PROs do rely on newsdesks either not having the time or the resources to do proper grown-up journalism and just shovel their stuff verbatim. It’s probably the reason that a great many press releases and ‘surveys’ are released on Sunday afternoons when other news is likely to be thin on the ground and newsdesks will be that bit more desperate (and understaffed).

     

    #18715

    @jimthefish

    Hmmm. Exactly once in all my time in news, a press officer somewhere took the time and trouble to think carefully about what the story was worth (not much, a NiB, maybe a downpager if it happened to be a quiet week) and craft the press release exactly to our requirement – even designed to be cut from the end. Exactly once – you would not have been able to detect it as churnalism, but technically it was…

    Nah, angling a story to your readership

    …Every other press release – ever – was (and is) full of the bullshit market-speak and slack use of language that PR’s specialise in (I wrote the style guide for my last mag, which included a list of banned phrases – but now they routinely appear in the mag). I had space for 35 stories – from splash to p8 NiBs and ideally I wanted none off the 200-300 press releases in my in tray of a Monday morning. Now it isn’t even hard to spot that everything below second length is PRed and you can pretty well hear the “off the record briefing” for about 70% of the rest. That’s why it is so easy to spot.

    And there are more staff now than when I was there. They just know fuck all. One-source stories and opinion dressed up as news is the norm (see every story ever featuring H Redknapp).

    It isn’t time or resources – it is training: too many young hacks are looking for the “Story” and forgetting to look for the truth (look at the tech press coverage of Apple, say – it is almost as if there is a campaign to drive its share price down. But it isn’t – it’s just people afraid to break from the pack. The combination of factual inaccuracy and utter bollocks is shocking, while Samsung – one of the most morally bankrupt companies in the world – gets an easy ride because Steve Jobs is dead so Apple just has to fail).

    I would ban journalism as an undergraduate course and make people study a proper subject – English, History, Geography or a physical science – before doing it at masters – or work up from the courtroom or crime beat.

    Beaverbrook

    See there’s the problem. Look at any newspaper proprietor’s pronouncements and you see nothing but self-serving drivel. What he wanted was to pursue a vendetta against Lord Mountbatten for shagging his wife.

    What’s always shocking is seeing the number of journalists who meekly fall in line, unable to grasp that their own and their bosses interests are rarely aligned.

    released on Sunday afternoons

    The Times term was Sunday-for-Monday and were usually dropped on Friday. The Sunday Times, on the other hand, got the Friday Drop, usaully on Wednesday. My trade’s ultimate joy was torpedoing the Sunday Telegraph‘s Friday drop. Now the ST just copies the story out of the trades, rather than letting us sell them on.

    /vent closed.

    #18721
    Anonymous @

    @pedant–

    Very interesting this, but I suspect we’ll have @Shazzbot on our case telling us to get a room any second now…

    Exactly once in all my time in news, a press officer somewhere took the time and trouble to think carefully about what the story was worth

    But it’s not their job, is it? They’re trying to get as much of their shit in the paper as they can. It’s up to the journos to decide what it’s worth and act accordingly. (Actually what they’re meant to do is evaluate if there’s anything interesting to the release at all, go back to source and create their own story out of it. And that happens almost never these days.) I tend to think of it as the PR guff being a virus and the newsdesk/subs being the antibodies trying to stop as much of it getting into the paper as possible.

    It isn’t time or resources – it is training

    Actually, it’s all three. I know a lot of good reporters who don’t get the chance to chase good stories because they’re having to top and tail press releases and churn out nibs and fillers all day. They’re good journalists, or would be if they were given the chance. They’re just being squeezed by newsdesks who won’t (or can’t) hire enough reporters. But there’s definitely an issue with a lack of resources. I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve spiked a story because it was a load of old corporate shit and then been forced to use it anyway because there was nothing else.

    Your point about undergraduate courses is a good one though. Myself, I’ve never had what you’d call any academic journalistic training. Put through in-house law courses and then dumped out there and left to get on with it. It’s how it always used to be done and I think it produces better journos than sitting in a lecture hall for four years.

    Apple

    Don’t agree in the slightest. Apple gets an embarrassingly easy ride. Just look at the Guardian’s tech coverage, for one. Front page, soft coverage of every cough and spit from Apple. (And quietly downgrading the little issue of workers’ rights in the factories etc. on many occasions.) Not that Samsung etc are much better but I’d say Apple has an incredibly tame press.

    What he wanted was to pursue a vendetta against Lord Mountbatten for shagging his wife

    Doesn’t matter. And I’d definitely not be the first one to defend him. But on the point I/he made earlier, I think he’s right enough.

    What’s always shocking is seeing the number of journalists who meekly fall in line, unable to grasp that their own and their bosses interests are rarely aligned.

    Actually, I think they do. It has, after all, never really been any different. At least not since Roy Thompson passed away. It’s just that they have to be professional and put that to one side. For example, I dislike the Daily Mail with a fiery passion but know quite a few people who work on it and know that they’re not Blimpish monsters you would think them to be (and have indeed done shifts on it myself). A great many of them don’t remotely share the values of the paper itself but they just knuckle down and get on with it. They know what Dacre wants them to produce and that’s what they do.

    Times/Sunday Times

    I did a few shifts on The Times relatively recently and I was shocked at the lack of quality control these days so what you say is probably true. It was setting a lot of business stuff on Fridays but news was/is done on Sundays and the kind of stories I’m thinking of (‘More people are buying life insurance, a survey by an insurance company has found.’) tend to be filed by PA early on Sunday on the general wire and are shovelled into pages as fillers and nibs without a second glance being paid to them.

    But I have now more or less washed my hands of the whole grubby business now and am now trying to figure out what the hell I’m going to do with the rest of my working life….

    #18723
    Anonymous @

    @jimthefish @pedant – GET A ROOM ALREADY!  😀

    Jim, thought you were thinking about librarianship … I met someone doing a doctorate in Library Science – yep, who knew?  That was a coupla decades ago though, before government cuts (in various countries) meant the mass closures of libraries.

    But I agree with you from the Books thread, that most of my happiest childhood hours were spent in the local library.

    Anyway, all joking aside about you two finding a [reasonably priced, natch] local hotel, your exchange here has been fascinating and informative to read.

    #18724

    @shazzbot @jimthefish

    Actually, I will move over to t’pub.

    #18728
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @pedant and @jimthefish – very interesting though. See you in the pub.

    #18729
    Arkleseizure @arkleseizure

    Exciting new breaks: a trailer will air on Saturday evening between Strictly and Atlantis. 8.20 pm

    Press release:

    A specially created trailer celebrating the last 50 years of Doctor Who will air tonight on BBC One, as an exclusive image is revealed today featuring the 11 Doctors.

    Travelling through time fans will be taken on a journey from the very beginning using state of the art technology. The special trailer is set to show all of the Doctors as they first appeared on screen, including William Hartnell in high res colour for the very first time, as celebrations ramp up to the 23 November.

    A huge moment for the BBC, the 50th celebrations will culminate with the special episode, ‘The Day of the Doctor’, starring Matt Smith, David Tennant and Jenna Coleman with Billie Piper and John Hurt. A whole range of shows have also been commissioned across TV and radio to mark the anniversary.

    The minute long trailer will air after Strictly Come Dancing tonight on BBC One and will be also be available on http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho

    #18730
    Arkleseizure @arkleseizure

    Although there’s no actual footage from The Day of the Doctor in this particular trailer. Still, should be worth seeing!

    #18763
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    @arkleseizure – The trailer airs at 20.20 GMT – is that some sort of meta-pun by the BBC? You will have 20:20 vision & still not see TDOTD trailer!
    z

    #18777
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    #18778
    Anonymous @

    @wolfweed – thanks for posting that preview.

    At least I got one thing right … it’s all about One Day for the Doctor.  Small mercies.

    One Day – no, not that one!

    One Day – no, not that one either!

    One Day – eeeuuuwww, sorry.

    One Day – ooof, definitely not that one

    One Day – hmmm, still not right, but worthy of highlighting anyway:

    The ONE DAY Foundation is dedicated to supporting the dreams and visions of young people throughout the world.

    Anyhoo, The Day of the Doctor is all about one day upon which everything hinges.  Let the bonkers theorising ramp up!

    #18779
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    How many of you are poring over it in HD with a microscope?

    z

    Hang on! – All my toy sonics are frozen in mid air…….

    #18781
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    @Shazzbot – That’s funny – Search ‘Save the Day’ on Youtube & you find this bloke off American Idol
    z

    #18782
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    The rumour is that TDOTD trailer will be shown tomorrow. Don’t shoot the messenger if it doesn’t transpire.

    50 years trail images can be found on twitter… #SaveTheDay

    z

    #18783
    ScaryB @scaryb

    Re the trailer – ooh, that’s pretty awesome. And they’ve put lots of things in to keep us busy for a while 🙂

     

    #18784
    ScaryB @scaryb

    Looks like there’s been an explosion (across time?) frozen in time…

    #18786
    wolfweed @wolfweed

    @scaryb – I can see Bessie, The Golden Gate Bridge and what looks like the Dark Tower of Rassilon’s Tomb…

    Anyone found any other obscurities?

    #18788
    wolfweed @wolfweed
    #18790
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Like everyone else, I have watched the mini trailer, oh, well a “few” times, and a couple of points in the voiceover struck me as rather odd.

    “I’ve been running all my lives”. In the plural. Why in the plural? He is one Doctor…isn’t he?

    “Our future depends…” Who is the “our”? Humanity? The Timelords? The Doctors (in the plural)?

    I don’t know why, but I think the words used might be significant.

    Of course, I could also be looking for meaning where there is none.

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