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27 January 2016 at 15:32 #50594
@OB-Wan– Capaldi’s contract will be based on x amount of episodes, not on him being contracted for any specific period of time. We already know that he’s been contracted for s10. When they’re broadcast is probably beside the point.
All the current reports have filming starting in early March (slightly later than usual, which is what led to much of the speculation of a delayed broadcast date prior to the announcement). That means filming a regeneration in July/August at the latest. (Assuming it’s not in the 2017 Christmas special — it’s not clear who’s going to be responsible for that, whether that’ll be Chibnall’s first or Moffat’s last — but that’s the only way that Doc speculation could be pushed back a year.)
But assuming we see the regeneration in Moffat’s final season, then that’s a regeneration being filmed in roughly 5 months from now at the latest. Assuming casting already isn’t a done deal, that means the hunting will take place over the next couple of months. This is a major news story so unless security is extremely (maybe impossibly) tight then it’s inevitably going to get out. Especially as agents love linking their talent to the role for a spurt of free publicity etc. There’s almost no chance of springing a surprise regeneration these days. That’s why the Beeb went for the all-singing, all-dancing announcement last time. Chances are we’ll have to endure that again.
This is all assuming PC is going of course but if he is I’d expect an announcement within a month or two. Couple of months of media frenzy and a new Doc announcement in July/August-ish time at the latest.27 January 2016 at 17:36 #50595
From what I can gather they haven’t even cast the new companion yet, so we might not hear about a New Doc for a while yet. Suspect we’ll have a companion-less Christmas Special at the very least. I will be absolutely gutted if Capaldi goes with Moffat, primarily because it took me so long to warm to him and then I fell hard for his Doc in Series 9. As other people have mentioned though, is Chibnall really going to want a baptism of fire like Moffat did? It wasn’t ideal. His comments about The Moff ‘going out with a bang’ did make me wonder, however.
If they do cast someone else, I really hope it is someone who’s relatively unknown. Part of the beauty of New Who has been it’s ability to find new talent and then really propel their career forward.27 January 2016 at 18:11 #50596
I think they should go for a total head fuck and cast not only a woman, but an American. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Felicia Day.
It would be worth it for the site of thousands of fanboys hurling themselves off the White Cliffs of Dover.27 January 2016 at 18:35 #50597
@jimthefish Looks like you were right. Hulu has now lost the rights to Doctor Who too.27 January 2016 at 18:38 #5059827 January 2016 at 18:45 #50599
Almost certainly a function of the long break. Without the break, they would be happy to pull in any buzz they can and any opportunity for new viewers to get caught up. With it, they will look to maximise direct revenue, with as few middlemen as poss. Plus, deprived of Netflix etc they might just buy hard copy.27 January 2016 at 18:50 #5060027 January 2016 at 23:58 #50605Allonsy @allonsy
@jimthefish yeah it’s starting to look as though this maybe a move to sale some physical copies of DW. I guess that isn’t so bad. I’ve been setting some money aside for a collection anyway. Hopefully the sales are good so they don’t cut into my comic book money. 😜28 January 2016 at 00:47 #50608Anonymous @
Yes, Allonsy, we have had sales recently of Who -related merchandise and DVDs in our (soon to close) ABC shops. Other merchants are also pricing down Who DVDs and Blu-ray.
Mr P: Felicia Day -awesome 🙂 And I like the ‘hurling from the White Cliffs’ please.
@ob-wan I don’t believe that ‘Pete’ Capaldi (has he been introduced as such?) is universally disliked. Certainly, periodicals, on-line cultural pages and some newspapers in Oz enjoyed his rendition of the Doctor very much. @doctordani indeed, I agree: the outpouring of love in Sydney (the only place Moff and co. visited in Oz late last year) was pretty substantial. As said above, a mid-season regen, a little less ‘epic’ and Capaldi’s style, would be intriguing and helpful to Mr Chibnall.
Certainly there are members here who didn’t warm to him, though.
Puro.28 January 2016 at 01:29 #50610OB-Wan @ob-wan
@ob-wan I don’t believe that ‘Pete’ Capaldi (has he been introduced as such?) is…
Please, Please, PLEASE…
…do not put my name anywhere near a comment like that.
I already have enough people trying to read INTO what I write instead of reading what I ACTUALLY write.
I said that he hadn’t been “well-received universally.” And I still think that that is a fair statement. After all, who is universally well-received besides you? (and that’s not sarcasm)
All the best for you and yours, OB-Wan.28 January 2016 at 01:43 #50611
@ob-wan @puroandson Capaldi isn’t any less popular than Smith really and with Smith the show finally took off in a huge way globally, admittedly after the BBC finally pumped the kind of money into it that they needed to to make just such in roads. I’ve seen people suggest that the ratings are an indication of him being unpopular and, well, it stands to reason that the viewing figures for a family show are going to take a hit when the start time is constantly moving and is nearly always past 8 pm on a Saturday night. Scheduling it after Strictly and against The X-Factor wasn’t their best idea, and is probably half the reason for the shift to Spring again, at least partially on Moffat’s insistence I reckon. That way they’ll get their 6.30-7 pm slot back and terrorize a few more of the younger members of the audience before they trot off to bed.
@craig @allonsy Relating to what you said about the Beeb wanting to cut out the middle man with Hulu and Netflix, conversely, Season 9 consolidated viewing figures were pretty good, and we’ve just had the news over the last few days that, for the first time ever in the UK, kids are watching more online than they are on TV. I suspect there’s a similar trend elsewhere, so they’ll be wanting to capitalise on that. Getting that cash directly through downloads isn’t a bad idea, particularly when the channel is facing pretty deep budget cuts. It’s very likely they’ll use BBC 3’s move online and the launch of shows like ‘Class’ there to gauge whether or not ‘Doctor Who’ could exist solely on that platform when the conventional channels are crowded out with cooking programmes and reality series that bring in high viewing figures relatively cheaply.28 January 2016 at 01:54 #50612lisa @lisa
This write up is suggesting that the BBC is possibly rolling out its own
online streaming service for the States? So maybe that has something to do
with all these new online manipulations?28 January 2016 at 02:08 #50613Anonymous @
@ob-wan A few days ago you said this to us:
“you are not the boss of me. I don’t have to tailor my posts to please you and obviously you don’t have to do what I tell you to do (not that I would be so presumptuous**).”
I was only asking about whether Capaldi was referred to like that or introduced like this? In the States? You then say “PLEASE, please don’t put my name anywhere near [some part of] a sentence” See **
I’m afraid I wasn’t being sarcastic. I was referring to the universal like/dislike of Capaldi you mentioned as I hadn’t found that -see @doctordani‘s comment. You could perhaps not shout at us, please? It’s not done here. 🙂
@doctordani, yes, I think there’s a lot of info about downloads and overnights which are extremely interesting and bode happily for the future of this show on some platform or another. I know that @bluesqueakpip as well as the Mods (@JimTheFish et. al.) are very good with overnight ratings and Day 4 or 7+ viewing info. We have something similar in Oz specifically for Oz shows which as you say tend toward reality television with prize money etc.
Puro28 January 2016 at 03:02 #50614
Hello there Mike(?) Welcome, I’m pretty new here too.Just had a quick look at the list:
B. Daniels – maybe.
R. Tovey – possibly
B. Whishaw – Definite posibility
Forget the rest in cluding B. Cumberbatch, he would be fantastic, but he’s too busy and has always made it clear, when asked, that he’d never play the Doctor – perhaps a villain? (He didn’t say that, I did) He can’t play Sherlock AND the Doctor.
My choices would be:
No females please and keep it British. *thumbs up* Our American friends have enough Scifi of their own. *big grin*
As for companions (female) almost anyone but Maisie williams – but then again, perhaps she’d grow on me? Besides, she’s on a Tardis with Clara isn’t she?
Missy28 January 2016 at 04:33 #50615
Yep! I know – known as a QC. I have watched Silk and Judge John Deed *great big grin* and I am English.
It’s the soliciter you consult first.
Missy28 January 2016 at 04:35 #50616
That’s what I do. I also have a special Visa card, which I call a ‘netcard’ that I use for ordering on line.
Missy28 January 2016 at 07:47 #50621
@doctordani Capaldi isn’t any less popular than Smith really
I think people sometimes get the really crazy Moffat-hatred as including Capaldi too, particularly since there was some very childish horror expressed by some very loud and persistent Tennant/Smith obsessives that Capaldi was too “old” and “mean” as the Doctor. That died away, at least by my observation, over the winter between S8 and S9, partly due to people doing re-watches (thanks goodness for technology!) and changing their minds so radically that they had to go to the DW boards and tell everybody so; and some, I assume, just went away in a huff and took their carping with them. There are a few such voices left, noticeable by their scarcity; but the Moffat-hatred mania continues on the net, and I do think that even though many hate-posters mention that they don’t include Capaldi (“If only he had some really good writers — “), the vitriol tends to splash about a bit.
That said, I could see some of the younger kids preferring Smith, and the grown-up stuff S8 and S9 both dealt with. Spanning the age-range of the DW audience is one hell of a balancing act, and it’s never going to be achieved satisfactorily for 100% of the very broad demographic that the show has acquired over time.28 January 2016 at 10:47 #50623
Nope. QC (Queen’s Counsel) is a rank of Barrister. One of the stepping stones on the way to becoming a judge.
Barista, on the other hand, is someone who makes coffee.28 January 2016 at 13:00 #50625
@allonsy — DVDs are cool n all but don’t let it curtail the comic book consumption too much….28 January 2016 at 15:12 #50626riker666 @riker666
That site has done an update: http://www.whollwin.com/news/28th-january-2016/would-you-bet-on-next-doctor-who-being-a-woman.php
From the list I can’t see Richard Madden coming in, especially as he’s dating Coleman, she would have had enough by now let alone her partner joining!
Whisaw – Agree that he could be good, maybe a bit too Matt Smith?
According to the odds Ingrid Oliver is nailed on to be the next assistant, liked her before but not so much the last story….28 January 2016 at 18:46 #50632Anonymous @
I went into the wilderness without internet for some time, I come back, and THIS happens. I suppose technically this could have been worse. I’d prefer Chibnall to Gatiss, or Roberts say. But I don’t like a single thing Chibnall has ever written (haven’t seen Broadchurch for that very reason). Obviously my utmost hope is to be wildly surprised and find his take on Who to my taste. That seems unrealistic, so I at least hope he returns some of the fun vibe to the show that RTD had, the loss of which in the Moffat era I think alienated a lot of fans.
I will be in my jar, weeping from my eye stalks. Don’t come in.28 January 2016 at 19:17 #50633lisa @lisa
Don’t weep. I’m not going to score SM.
But I did prefer his stuff to most of the other stuff he allowed to be episodes during his time.
The exceptions being Mathieson and Dollard. Gaiman and Chibnall were ok too.
Mostly I really liked the way SM handled the Doctor’s major arc story during his term.
Having said that its not going to be hard for me to give myself over to the changes.
I cant begin to imagine who the new Doctor will be but I wouldn’t mind if they gave the
8th Doctor one more new season. Cause you know what? I think he’d be fantastic!
Whoever it is though I don’t expect to feel terribly let down.29 January 2016 at 03:32 #50640winston @winston
@ichabod I agree about the difficulties of pleasing such a wide age range of viewers. The younger Who fans I know are young adults ,including my son , liked the mad-cap adventures of Matt Smith the most. They like the CapDoc but they think his series have been too dark. I don’t agree and have loved these last 2 series with 12. There are children watching also and they must have their own opinions. Doctor Who must be a demographic nightmare.29 January 2016 at 04:28 #50641
@winston Doctor Who must be a demographic nightmare.
From a show runner’s point of view, I imagine so. You can see the effort being made in S8 to get some lighter material in there, and loose-jointed plots that make groan-ups out of grown-ups (RoS, FotN), but on the whole I think Moffat pretty much went his own way in this series and in S9, taking advantage of the Scots melancholy Capaldi carries to do some darkness that isn’t young-kid friendly, finally fulfilling the promise to “go darker”. So I’m expecting a more “mechanical” sort of approach in S10 — more how do we fix this/outwit the bad guys, less mood, psychology, and angst in general.
Or maybe not — it’ll be Moffat’s last go-round, so he might cut loose for real — only he’s a fan. He would never, IMO, do something that might actually jeopardize the future of the show. So prolly not. I’ll watch no matter what, just to see Capaldi strut his stuff (and, I hope, a worth companion(s) strut theirs). Pleased either way, really.
With Chibnall, it’s the same as for everyone else: let’s see what he wants to do, and what he does, before making a judgment.29 January 2016 at 05:08 #50642Anonymous @
With Chibnall, it’s the same as for everyone else: let’s see what he wants to do, and what he does, before making a judgment.
It’s a fair point, ichi -and as showrunner rather than ‘just’ writer (and I mean ‘just’ in a good way!) -soz, the morphine ‘n’ all 🙂 Chibnall may be able to indulge the child within. But on @morpho’s point (and great to see you back and yep I will come and join you in your jar and we can weep and scrabble at jar together!) some of what he’s written has been pretty faulty -I know young Son liked Cold Blood but I found there were probs with it as with Power of Three -rather odd in its way. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship? Blech and
BumchurchBroadchurch 2 was awful (imho). The first Broadchurch was OK though -I could deal with it at least 🙂
Interesting how kids see things innit?
Some of my friends in their 60s grew up with Hartnell and found him similar to Capaldi -mischievous, alien and formal, even. But they were seven or eight and didn’t feel he was ‘dark’. In fact, the word ‘dark’ drives them to irrational bursts of wacky anger 🙂 meaning they punch their hedge
fundand drink a lot more Tanqueray gin. 🙂
Son loves Capaldi but I have to say, being a bad ‘mom’ ‘n’ all that when at 12, he picked up Iannucci’s The Thick of It, I let him have at it and he was thrilled -never mind the crude jokes but the interest in powerbrokers -I allowed him to watch two episodes of The Tudors (basically porn much like Game of Groans -thx for that good one Ichi!) because it dealt with power management in monarchies and the judiciary (there was a fairly good description of the law ‘Bar’ but at 14, like most people who are alive in anyway, he already knew from whence the term ‘the Bar’ comes).
Son certainly loved Capaldi as an actor in Local Hero and briefly, though very silly, in The Musketeers (Adrian Hodges). For the Doctor the word dark hasn’t entered his vocabulary -I think, but I could be wrong. Sinister at times? Yes, definitely. But balanced with immense kindness and compassion; looking at his friends -most of whom are incredibly thick (don’t watch anything sensible on telly and they’re 15!) just wouldn’t like Capaldi: “he’s too old” is as far they’d get. And I understand it, personally, though Son doesn’t. For the kids under 10? Maybe a different story.
As for Whishaw as a choice, other than the Bond contract he had, and his brief stint on The Hour, I’d imagine he’d be terribly expensive -and yes lisa let’s have some McGann: in everything, particularly Withnail and I, young Son’s a fan.
PuroSolo29 January 2016 at 06:27 #50643
PuroSolo @puroandson this: I was only asking about whether Capaldi was referred to like that or introduced like this? In the States? You then say “PLEASE, please don’t put my name anywhere near [some part of] a sentence”
PuroSolo, you are correct. The “Pete” phrase appears in @ob-wan post #50590 as follows: Believe me, Pete’s agent is on the phone right now lining up guest shots or stage work to fill the gap.
I’ve never seen anybody else here or elsewhere refer to Capaldi as “Pete” (not even Jenna Coleman, in public at least), and have no idea how the actor himself would take it (would probably depend on who said it and in what context, ie common sense). Personally, this usage struck me because it was so unusual. It had an over-familiar feel to it, but no harm done, really, IMO.
I agree that Capaldi is probably seen as “too old” by most, but not all, teenaged fans, since we live in an age of ragingly strong peer-group definitions, but maybe under tens see him as just another grown-up — big, powerful, often incomprehensible, sometimes funny, a protector of fearful and distressed people and opponent of bad and scary ones?29 January 2016 at 07:03 #50644Anonymous @
Thank you for that. I appreciate it. (In fact, Son and I, so annoyed by certain ishoos here, want a bit of a break -I shouldn’t but, seemingly, there is ‘annoyance’ on my mind). I’m glad you referred to any interviews. The ones I’ve seen with American interviewers do say the same thing: “here is Peter Capaldi”. In the interview itself, they never say Peter, they use both his names. This is interesting. I remember this phenomena in Oz, when Kerry O’Brien (Oh dear God I love him) introduced anyone and everyone using both given and surnames. So he would say, “Pat Kennigan, you’ve said this in Parliament. Your opponents claim this however.”
It ran off the tongue, wasn’t over pronounced and there was never any pressure of speech. When he interviewed a former PM, it was “welcome to the programme, Malcolm Fraser” My father, a vicious conservative supporter hated Kerry O’Brien for this -but then Dad hated the “lefty ABC” anyway.
That phenomenon has continued as an interview ‘trick.’ New hosts of the ABC’s 7.30 Report follow that pattern (although it was probably de rigueur everywhere else). With Mat Smith it was “good evening Mat Smith and welcome to the programme.”
It never sounded sugary or over-deferential. Nor was it formal: it was just right somehow and it worked. Reminds me of @jimthefish ‘ discussion about the power of communication up thread.
Kindest, PuroSolo29 January 2016 at 07:08 #50645Anonymous @
protector of fearful and distressed people and opponent of bad and scary ones?
@ichabod -I like that above. How perfect that he should be that. He doesn’t have a cape. He’s not muscle-bound like Batman or Superman. He uses words and a screwdriver.
Wouldn’t have it any other way. And I like the sonic sunglasses: thought they were terrific. Even Son had a good laugh. He would say “well, there’s no way we can flog these off on the internet” And he’d be right. Everyone (well most people except Jack Reacher) has sunglasses -I liked that bit of meta playfulness.
PuroSolo29 January 2016 at 11:18 #50647Anonymous @
Cheers, lovely to see you too! 🙂 I suppose the head writer job has three broad facets: first, they write the key episodes of the series (esp. opener, finale, and Christmas special); second, they select/commission and edit all of the scripts for continuity (esp. narrative arcs); third, they have a huge amount of producer heft. I don’t doubt Chibnall’s abilities on the third front: he is very seasoned in that regard. I’m more than willing to accept, on the basis of people’s reactions to Broadchurch 1, that he might be a great editor too if he limits himself to arc and continuity rather, as Moffat tended to do, hefty rewrites of story and dialogue.
My concern is his writing of key stories (and editing if he’s very hands-on). I think his best work was the Silurian two-parter which was, until Moffat’s arc narrative took over, plodding and ponderous, but at least had a very classic Who vibe. At the time, new Who had been pretty consistently ADHD which wasn’t completely to my taste, so I liked the fact that Chibnall calmed it down a bit. But it was still just a passable filler two-parter in a series that featured The Eleventh Hour, Vincent and the Doctor, Amy’s Choice and The Big Bang. The rest of his work I thought was very bad, and I’m quite worried that the writer who forged the character of Riddell will now be involved in the characterisation and dialogue of all major characters in the series. People weirdly give Moffat — the creator of River Song, Amy Pond, Lady Mi, Madame Vastra and Jenny — a hard time over representation of women in Who, and now the author of a walking, innuendo-addicted hard-on is taking the reigns.
Yeah that’s the other thing that’s got me taking a severe dislike to 2016 so far: Capaldi leaving. I’d rank him with Tom Baker and Patrick Troughton without any hint of fanboy over-enthusiasm. It’s pure egocentricity on my part, but, as an ideal Doctor for me, I was really hoping he’d have longer to perfect the role. If he can pull off a tour de force like Heaven Sent in two years, what can he do in three, in four, in five?
I hate everything right now, even kittens. 🙁29 January 2016 at 11:39 #50648
Just to add to the ongoing Netflix story. If you’re watching Who on UK Netflix then get your watching in now as it may not be there after April. In fact, I’d assume it isn’t going to be.29 January 2016 at 16:50 #50649Arbutus @arbutus
Regarding Chris Chibnall: I enjoyed all of his stories, although they would never make it into my personal Top Ten. However, it was interesting to look over the episode list and realize that, while I have loved the Moffat years, the episodes that I loved best, apart from arc issues long-term characterizations, were mostly not written by Moffat himself (although most of his RTD-era writing definitely makes my Top Ten). Similarly, of all the episodes RTD wrote, only one makes my list. And yet, I enjoyed most of these episodes at the time. Also, while I have preferred Moffat’s era overall, I haven’t got a great fondness for Series 6, so it’s not as if he hit it out of the park for me every time. So, while I’m assuming that the show will see some stylistic changes with a new showrunner, I expect to enjoy it, for the most part. And meanwhile, there’s still one more series of Moffat’s to enjoy, even if we have to wait awhile for it!29 January 2016 at 21:13 #50650
@ichabod @winston @jimthefish It’s funny because I think this whole thing about not being able to please everybody is probably going to force the show online eventually, and that’s what we’re seeing the start of with them possibly rolling out their own streaming platform for the US. That way pleasing certain demos won’t matter at all. They’ll just rely on healthy subscription fees from a wide range of fans if they have their own space to stream new content alongside the show’s back catalogue. It’s all a bit strange though considering global iPlayer closed down last year because BBC America were refusing to let them offer DW because it would affect their live viewers. Something’s obviously changed.29 January 2016 at 23:25 #50651blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave
Lots of angst out there about the changes. But at the end of the day, we cannot change those changes (not the most glamorous prose, but you know what I mean). But what we can do–and we tend to do this rather well (at least, all of you do, while I throw in the odd shiraz-aided comment) is (finally…back on track) discuss episodes. And we seem to have lots of fun doing it.
So…and I think someone has already suggested this (was it me? probably not) but why don’t we do a Chibnall Who retrospective? We could do it…well, now.
@craig, can we have a retrospective of Chibnall Who episodes please?30 January 2016 at 00:29 #50652Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip
I’d recommend also including the webisode series Pond Life, and P.S.
Sorry I’ve been very silent; but since I’m deeply non-angsty about Chibbers, it became rapidly apparent that it was best to let everyone … angst, rather than sit here plaintively repeating ‘but I like his work.’ 😉30 January 2016 at 00:53 #50653
@bluesqueakpip Oh, good — I hope your assessment proves right, and all the angsty ones wrong, for all our sakes!30 January 2016 at 10:45 #50659Whisht @whisht
ah, that might have been my suggestion @blenkinsopthebrave
I’m neither ‘for’ or ‘against’ Chibnall, but as the list of episodes is quite short, I’ll be interested what other ‘watches’ it leads to (or is this year I actually finish my boxset of Fringe and open up Twin Peaks? Thank goodness for Oxfam!).
I’m vaguely interested as to what kind of ‘showrunner’ Chibnall was for Torchwood. I kinda gave up on Torchwood after a few episodes and so never listened out for him. But I wonder if he’s not going to be the same sort of personality as RTD or Moffat. Maybe he’ll be more backroom producer and let writers shine and put more onus on the actors to lead the publicity drives.
And always interested as to what @bluesqueakpip says!
(am still waiting to hear something I strongly disagree with – maybe it’ll be these episodes!)30 January 2016 at 10:57 #50660Anonymous @
Fringe! We’re dragging our feet thru it at the mo….waiting for it to end. I’ve lost count of the Olivias 🙂
Kindest, Puro30 January 2016 at 12:09 #50667
@blenkinsopthebrave You read my mind.
I’m sticking to Doctor Who first but we can do Torchwood as well if there is interest. We gotta do something to fill in the time before “Class” starts – and Christmas!30 January 2016 at 13:56 #50669
@puroandson– some people do have a problem with Fringe. I loved it though, particularly the red universe stuff. Do tell us your thoughts on it. On the TV thread of course and when you feel able….30 January 2016 at 18:33 #50672
@puroandson PuroSolo I’ve seen with American interviewers do say the same thing: “here is Peter Capaldi”. In the interview itself, they never say Peter, they use both his names.
You know, I have a feeling that this is at Capaldi’s request, because he’s pushing back against the tendency for people to say his last name as “Cap-ALL-di”, but he prefers “Cap-AL-di”. I saw video of a DW chat session with Moffat somewhere recently where he was asked a question from the audience about Peter Cap-ALL-di, and his answer began with, “First of all there *is* no Peter Cap-ALL-di.” He proceeded to correct the pronunciation, and lead them in several choruses of “Peter Cap-AL-di, Peter Cap-AL-di” before going on to the rest of the answer. So it’s my bet that Capaldi would sail right by being addressed as “Pete”, but for Cap-ALL-di, you’d get the Curse of the Eyebrows — in the kindest possible way, of course.
As for Fringe — grrbbb. It had a lot going for it at first, when it was monster-of-the-week, IMO; and still, when they got to the hero’s mad-scientist father. And I liked Olivia. By the time the whole double-world thing got going, it lost traction for me. At that point I felt that it would have been *much* better if they’d set a closing date and stuck to it, as The Leftovers is doing, rather than wambling on and on having to double back repetitiously and needlessly complicate things to create enough material to keep spinning it out over yet another season, like Lost. I don’t think the closed-ended series had taken a solid hold in TV yet, so they stuck to the drag-it-out model of pushing everything to exhaustion. Mine, anyway.
Keeping track of multiple versions of one character (or more!) over multiple seasons is one of my least favorite things to do anyway. That’s what kicked me out of Orphan Black when I realized they were just going to keep sending in the clones, and I was already sick of it.
@morpho I hate everything right now, even kittens. You want to get that seen to, before it gets any worse! What next, pancakes?!
@craig Thank you! I shall have a look soonest. I’m was never a Torchwood fan because even a little of Barrowman gives me the purple screaming twitches, but I’d re-watch — maybe I was too quick to judge.30 January 2016 at 22:38 #50674
it out over yet another season, like Lost.
Actually Lost had a known closing date 3 seasons out – of course, that didn’t stop people from completely failing to pay attention at the end (no, they weren’t dead all along), but a fixed closing date isn’t everything. It still rambled too much and that should be a caution.
I wonder if the very clear narrative thrust of S9 implies that Moff has known about what was coming for longer than he owned up to.31 January 2016 at 00:19 #50675
@pedant Didn’t Moffat think he’d be leaving at the end of S9 for quite some time, but the BBC offered him another contract? The Christmas Special could have played out quite well as his swan song, especially with that dialogue between Twelve and River in front of the Singing Towers. In fact it had him saying goodbye written all over it.
Season 10 should be pretty interesting, although fairly difficult for him to navigate. It could be Capaldi’s last and he’s just brought the latest companion’s arc to a close, as well as seemingly completing River’s loop. Moffat loves gentle build-ups for big pay-offs, but things are probably going to have to be a lot tighter in his final year. Personally, I hope he really uses the re-introduction of Gallifrey to good effect because it was so under used in ‘Hell Bent’.31 January 2016 at 00:53 #50677
I think is most likely that he has been trying to extract himself for some time, and finally felt it was close enough that he could tell the story he wants.
S10 will be interesting but I hope, if Gallifrey features at all, it will be sparingly and with a tightly focussed narrative purpose – exactly like it was in Hell Bent. The moment Doctor Who starts getting bogged down in its own lore is the moment it starts to spiral.31 January 2016 at 04:02 #50679Anonymous @
it will be sparingly and with a tightly focussed narrative purpose – exactly like it was in Hell Bent. The moment Doctor Who starts getting bogged down in its own lore is the moment it starts to spiral.
Thank god Mr Fish!
I totally agree. Foolishly when I went to the youtube web sites all I heard was “they said they’d bring back Gallifrey and they didn’t. Moffat, the dirty rotten bastard…” etc. All I thought was “tour de force” and utterly brilliant and it was. TLs come back =tedious narration.
Moffat left it without exposition (and the Stupids like exposition) allowing the narrative power and plot to move it forward. I’m speaking of Heaven Sent, actually.
I suspect, though, that the Stupids have won and want all episodes to be like Blink or The Family of Blood. I loved them actually -Paul Cornell did a pretty good job in that Human Nature two parter. Mainly, though, the Doctor ran, cried, sobbed, snogged and talked (fast). All in no particular order. I’ve adored Capaldi’s neat and focussed Doctor. Others maybe haven’t and I’m fine with that. Well, actually I want to kill them but the better half of the Hybrid aint in so I’m posting this anyway. 🙂
PuroSolo31 January 2016 at 04:03 #50680
@pedant Actually Lost had a known closing date 3 seasons out – of course, that didn’t stop people from completely failing to pay attention at the end (no, they weren’t dead all along)
Yeah, but by then they’d already bumbled themselves into such a raggedy mess of a story that it was too late, in my estimation, to bring the thing to a satisfying end. Actually, I only stuck with it as long as I did because there were, besides all the pretty kids, some adults on hand whose stories I thought might be worth following — the bald buy with the knives, and the older black woman — and the actor who played mr. evil genius (sorry, it’s been a while and I never did re-watch the thing; too disgusted) was interesting to watch.
They weren’t dead? Well, it did seem like a very odd set-up for “purgatory” or whatever, all that para-science stuff. What did you think was going on?
S10 will be interesting but I hope, if Gallifrey features at all, it will be sparingly and with a tightly focussed narrative purpose – exactly like it was in Hell Bent. The moment Doctor Who starts getting bogged down in its own lore is the moment it starts to spiral.
Agreed. Never much cared for Gallifrey. find the obsessive filling-in-of-blanks that so many fans adore to be just a way of obliterating interesting gaps in our knowledge with disappointing assemblages of cliches (it’s mass media after all).31 January 2016 at 04:35 #50681
@puroandson PuroSolo — I suspect, though, that the Stupids have won and want all episodes to be like Blink or The Family of Blood. I loved them actually -Paul Cornell did a pretty good job in that Human Nature two parter. Mainly, though, the Doctor ran, cried, sobbed, snogged and talked (fast).
Yup. Too much of all that for my taste, for far too long.
I’ve adored Capaldi’s neat and focussed Doctor. Others maybe haven’t and I’m fine with that. Well, actually I want to kill them but the better half of the Hybrid aint in so I’m posting this anyway. 🙂
Thank goodness I agree on Capaldi, so I’m safe — from your perfectly reasonable and entirely justified wrath! [Er — in my ‘umble opinion.]31 January 2016 at 04:39 #50683
No, neither am I. I quite liked his stuff. He doesn’t shine as brilliantly as SM, but he isn’t bad either.
Missy31 January 2016 at 04:44 #50684
@puroandson “I suspect, though, that the Stupids have won and want all episodes to be like Blink or The Family of Blood. I loved them actually -Paul Cornell did a pretty good job in that Human Nature two parter. Mainly, though, the Doctor ran, cried, sobbed, snogged and talked (fast).”
As did I puroandson – didn’t like The Flesh though.
I’ve adored Capaldi’s neat and focussed Doctor. Others maybe haven’t and I’m fine with that. Well, actually I want to kill them but the better half of the Hybrid aint in so I’m posting this anyway. 🙂
Thank goodness I agree on Capaldi, so I’m safe — from your perfectly reasonable and entirely justified wrath! [Er — in my ‘umble opinion.]
Don’t be ‘umble, not when you’re right! The man is astonishing.
Missy31 January 2016 at 05:45 #50685Anonymous @
Oh no, Missy I wasn’t trying to be wrathy! I was referring to the youboobers or you-rubers who tend to say “I hate Moffat, hate Hell Bent and Heaven Sent. Sack ‘im” etc.
These Stupids will be very happy to see Moffat go. I haven’t gone to Youbube because I don’t want to see the thrills, spills or self -centered triumph.
Still, I won’t go all “I hate Chibnall” because I liked 42 and on the other thread (our Chibnall retrospective suggested by @blenkinsopthebrave, supported by @bluesqueakpip and organised by our emperor, Craig) I mentioned just how much I really enjoyed that episode (as did the rest of the family) so I shall be as dignified as possible about this new and exciting show runner.
But I can join @morpho in his jar while he gently weeps (and plays his guitar) & hand over handkerchiefs and shots of whiskey (or Bourbon depending on country of origin. Though Mr Blenkinsop would advocate a good shiraz as would brother Puro) whilst tending to wounds.
But Missy, apparently Mr Capaldi hasn’t been universally liked, didn’t you ‘ear? 🙂
I think that’s a silly rumour -I believe people will look favourably on PC’s iteration. I hope so anyway. He was/is a lovely contrast to Smith or Tennant and despite his ‘age’ is youthful, filled with whimsy and mischief – a little like ‘Bill’ Hartnell maybe.
I will miss him. But who knows there may be more of PC to see and love. Certainly ‘ope so!
PuroSolo31 January 2016 at 05:48 #50686Anonymous @
Oh no, wrathyness. Not me. I am gentle as the wind.
I was in a room with …erm….a windy elderly lady in the next bed.
Now, I’m home. Phew.
But yes, see what happens when Son of P isn’t around and I get all wrathy (to quote the Buffster)?
I cause wrath! No more I say! Kindness and sweetness all -seriously I shouldn’t have typed that. A perfect example of why Son of Puro is a very useful young man and despite his youthful testosterone he’s very well versed in internet etiquette and never allows himself to get carried away. I love ‘im for that -and I’m not biased at all!
Love to you,
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