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    janetteB @janetteb


    don’t know how I missed that on my daily, (hourly) check on the Guardian. Thanks again for sharing the link. I note that he shared the same birthday as Peter Capaldi which is two days before David Tennant’s birthday, which confirms what we believe in our writing group, that all the best creative people are born in April. (Only because the majority of us in the group have April birthdays and so outvote the rest which is of course a blatant abuse of democracy.)





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    Notoriouszero @notoriouszero

    Hello all, consider me slow but I’m only on season 7 so no spoilers pls. BUT please guide me for I am lost. Up to S7E13 is all I found, so where is 14,15,16 at? How does the Christmas special come into play in all this? (The episode where all the Dr.’s are supposed to be?)


    If you can’t tell, I’m deeeeefinatly lost. So your guidance is MUCH appreciated. So I’ll be sitting here not watching anymore episodes till y’all reply so I don’t mess it up.

    Much please. Many thanks.

    Mudlark @mudlark


    Welcome to the Forum.

    There are only 13 episodes in season* 7, episode 13 being The Name of the Doctor. In addition to these  there are two specials for the same year; the 50th anniversary special ‘The Day of the Doctor’ which aired on 23rd November 2013, the anniversary of the day in 1963 on which the first ever episode of Doctor Who was broadcast, and the Christmas special, The Time of the Doctor.  The Day of the Doctor was also shown in cinemas in 3D, which was pretty spectacular.

    The 8th, 9th and 10th seasons each consist of 12 episodes plus Christmas specials, but there was a gap in 2016 when there was just the Christmas special, The Return of Dr Mysterio.  Season 11, the most recent, consists of 10 slightly longer episodes plus a New Year special, and the next season will be in 2020, which is a frustratingly long wait and the main reason why the Forum is fairly quiet at the moment.

    Hope that clears things up for you. Happy viewing of all that you have still to come!

    * In the UK we generally refer to each separate sequence of episodes as a ‘series’ rather than, as in the USA, a ‘season’ , but either term will be understood here 😉



    You are not alone in being banjaxed by S7. Netflix had completely the wrong running order, with Day of the Doctor erroneously at the end of S8, and did have Time of the Doctor.

    Until *cough* somebody *cough* patiently explained it to a CS helper…, much like @mudlark has done for you.

    Before watching Day of the Doctor, you could usefully watch Night of the Doctor, a “minisode” that is readily available on Youtube (was well as resolving an issue about whether  a certain incarnation of the Doctor was canon.


    Various celebs are contribution to a collection of covers for Children In Need (annual telethon type thingy)

    Jodie Whittaker covers Yellow, by Coldplay

    janetteB @janetteb

    @pedant Yes just saw that. David Tennant is also doing a cover of the Proclaimers’ Sunshine on Leith. I am always envious of actors that cannot only act but also sing. I abandoned my dream of studying acting at Uni when I found out that the audition included a singing component. I would have had no chance at all.



    Notoriouszero @notoriouszero


    thank you so much for the detailed reply. I’m looking all over the place for ‘the Day of the doctor’ , ‘night of the doctor’ and ‘Christmas Special’. Do I need to watch these before starting S8E1?



    where can I find these three episodes on the inters of net? 😭



    The usual sources. It might be on Netflix or Amazon Prime (or other streaming services) in your area, and is certainly available on Bluray/DVD it most regions.

    Then of course there are the various totallylegitimatedownload sites, but those you will have to find for yourself with all of the attendant risks to the health of your computer.

    Night of the Doctor (safe to watch if you have seen Name of the Doctor) is on Youtube.\

    This may be region locked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo (but it should be on BBC America’s channel too)

    Mudlark @mudlark


    The answer to you first question is yes, you do need to view the specials in order before you embark on Series 8, otherwise you might get a bit of a shock.

    Notoriouszero @notoriouszero

    @pedant @mudlark

    Oh sweet baby Jesus! Thank you so much, so to clarify: after ‘name of the doctor’ it goes night – day – Christmas – S8? Is that correct?

    Notoriouszero @notoriouszero

    @pedant  @mudlark

    Also, YouTube has a ‘50th anniversary collection’ and it has 9 episodes. One of which they claim to be ‘The Day Of The Doctor’. Is this something I should buy to fully know what’s going on? Are they spoilers? Is there a difference between ‘the day of the doctor’ and ‘the time of the doctor’?


    😭😭😭 I’m so lost, wish I stuck to it when it was all fresh.

    Mudlark @mudlark


    The YouTube 50th anniversary collection doesn’t include any of the three specials in question. It is a compilation featuring the seven Doctors of the original series 1963-1989 plus the 8th Doctor, Paul McGann who appeared  in the 1996 film aka ‘the film we do not mention’ because it was so dire – although Paul McGann was potentially an excellent incarnation of the Doctor and subsequently featured in many audio episodes.

    The sequence is: Name of the Doctor, Night of the Doctor, Day of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor, after which follows the 8th series of the after gap (AG) sequence. Night of the Doctor is, as @pedant said, a mini-episode available only on line. It isn’t essential viewing. but it does bridge the gap between the film we do not mention, The Day of the Doctor and the first episode of the revived show in 2005, and establishes that the film, however unsatisfactory, is canon.  The fact that the Day of the Doctor is a special in the 7th series but chronologically precedes the first series AG is only confusing if you overlook the fact that this is a show featuring time travel.

    As for how to access Day and Time of the Doctor, I think that they are still available on Netflix, though I haven’t checked, but if you can’t access them there then I suggest that your best bet other than *dodgydownloads.com* would be to look for the DVDs, either to purchase or to borrow.

    Lrobby99 @lrobby99

    Hi: I hope this is a good place to post my humble request for help identifying two episodes I would love to see again.

    One is on a cemetery planet where the souls (?) of the dead are entertained by some kind of DJ?

    The other is where large humanoid aliens are preparing to dine on humans.

    These are both Classic Era.

    Thanks in advance.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Just reading that Stephen Moore, who voiced–to perfection–Marvin the Paranoid Android in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” as well as taking on the small but important role of Eldane, the leader of the Silurians in the season 5 Who episode “Cold Blood” has died. While most people will think of him in relation to Marvin the Paranoid Android, he was in so much more, including Mayor Vincy in “Middlemarch” in 1994, George Mole in “The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, aged 13 and three-quarter” (1985), and (a personal favourite) George in “Three Men and a Boat” (1975) with Michael Palin and Tim Curry. A great loss to the world of gentle comedy.


    MissRori @missrori

    @lrobby99 I think you are referencing two Season 22 serials featuring the Sixth Doctor, “The Two Doctors” (which has the man-eating Androgums), and “Revelation of the Daleks” (the cemetery planet and DJ).

    Lrobby99 @lrobby99

    Thank you MissRori!

    Your are a Whovian among Whovians.

    I look forward to seeing these again.


    Jodie Whittaker rehearses Yellow, for Children in Need: gets a bit of a surprise:

    winston @winston

    @pedant   That was so sweet. To see Jodie Whittaker react like that when she sees who is going to play backup is pretty cute. Thanks.



    Shaun Dooley (Epzo from The Ghost Monument) got a similar surprise in his cover of Never Grow Up (he was nervous and singing with his eyes closed, to imagine he was just with his kids – so didn’t see Taylor Swift come in).

    Fair bit of Who connection: David Tennant, Suranne Jones (Idris) and Olivia Colman (Prisoner Zero) do, respectively, Proclaimers’ Sunshine on Leith, Clean Bandit’s Symphony and Portishead’s Glory Box.

    But Whittaker’s Yellow does seem to have rather hit people in the feels. She was umming and ahhing between this and Sky Full of Stars as a tribute to her nephew, who dies at 3 from complications related to Down’s Syndrome, and I think the feeling really comes through.

    syzygy @thane16

    @pedant @winston

    Beaut, just beaut. Boy, one thing to say (I’m never ever nit-picky!) but if she’d drop her chin on the high notes, her palate would open up & it would open up the head voice. Small thing. But I’m saying it anyway. Anywaaay.

    She has a gorgeous voice, she’s a beautifully sensitive person. How do I say this? She comes across as a ‘person’ not an ‘actorr’?? I’ve seen all sorts of people interviewed – I remember Jolie interviewed & it was awful. Same with M. Ryan -but Whittaker is genuine. That’s the word. How great for Coldplay & for this to be for Children in Need.

    I think Tennant did the first? or first-ish? I saw it on the DVD set with him & his 1st season. Contains a video diary. You can see how he ages. Whittaker is 34? Has a maturity of someone older but is still thrilled at everything as if she’s much younger. 3 cheers: she’s amazing. Her repetiteur was pretty good too

    syzygy @thane16


    winston @winston

    Happy Halloween to you all. We are having a cold and rainy night here and the wind is picking up and blowing the last of the leaves off the trees. It is not a nice night for trick or treaters but a few intrepid kids showed up (parents waiting in cars) for candy. Only 7 little monsters showed up though and now who will eat all the candy leftover? As I typed that I heard the sound of a chocolate bar being torn open and I have my answer. Mr. Winston! I put on all my Doctor Who clothes and slippers and dressed up as a Doctor Who geek to hand out goodies to the totally unimpressed Spiderman, Pennywise,Hulk, 2 princesses, little mermaid and ,I think, a zombie who knocked on my door.Everyone is a critic.

    Now it is all over but the tooth decay. The jack o lantern has fizzled out in the rain and the little ghouls and boys are at home gorging on candy. I so wish I was a kid again.

    janetteB @janetteb

    @winston I wish we did do more for Halloween here  as it sounds like fun and our culture lacks fun. I blame it on the Methodist/Presbyterian colonists. I appreciate that for them life was tough, trying to impose their western expectations on an arid land, but really did they have to reject all forms of celebration?? Well clearly they thought so. All we celebrate in Australia is Christmas and Easter and we do that begrudgingly, not helped by the fact that the former is a midwinter festival that takes place here in the middle of summer. Something I had got plenty of mileage out of in my writing.

    I was determined to do something for Halloween this year but  beyond putting some halloween themed serviettes out on the table have not. The “kids” are all in last week of Uni with deadlines looming and so nobody has the time to really get into the spirit of things, though wearing sheets and scaring the youngest son was suggested. There are no children in the neighbourhood so I don’t know if doorknocking is now a thing or not. Australians do tend to gobble up U.S. culture without chewing. Fine when it is Halloween, not so fine when it is buying massive 4 wheel drives.




    janetteB @janetteb

    As @thane16 says, the clip of J.W. singing was “beaut”. I am very envious though. To be able to act and sing..



    syzygy @thane16

    @winston @janetteb and youse all 🙂 @blenkinsopthebrave the “youse” is for youse. 😉

    We had kids around from 4 pm but by 6 pm when it’s still light, they’d gone. I normally do have choccies but forgot about them. Thane asked his mates (most drive) if they could go out by they were without spirit as well & thought as they’re 18 a bunch of tall ghouls on Halloween could end with door knocking coppers. Or those dressed as some…

    Hah, @pedant knows what I’m going to post next……

    So, after the 4 pm kiddies, I had to close up front doors & unusually for me, turn off the outdoor lights which, considering the sexual harassment by a cabbie the other day, I was very glad of. I even had Thane’s hardly-used- in- 4- year’s cricket bat… All good. Bat wasn’t needed.

    Yes agreed with 4 wheel drives. In the 80s for Halloween as well as the prank time for uni students, the rocket scientists & engineers took apart the vice-dean’s car. And put it together several stories up, on the top of the university’s main building.

    They carried bits of it up. I didn’t follow this. No-one really followed anything because no-one thought to take pix. Now it would be all over twitter! And that would have been a fun thing to see.

    syzygy @thane16

    @winston dON’T CLICK




    @winston @thane16 @janetteb

    Unlikely that the full “Making of…” will be available outside the UK, but worth checking local BBC sources just in case. It’s 90 mins and I got round to watching it last night. Fascinating to see who great actors like Jim Broadbent, Helena Bonham-Carter, as well as all those noted above, are so insecure about their abilities (as well as their awe and delight at getting to work at Abbey Road).

    But Whittaker quietly steals it with her from-the-heart breakdown when recording her vocals with her late nephew’s parents present.

    Side note: Adrian Lester’s entirely beatboxed version of Stevie Wonder’s I Wish is quite extraordinary. 28 tracks all done by him. In one day.

    The album is now available, at least in the UK, on iTunes and presumably other sources.


    ( @thane16 – I think Tennant and the entire cast and crew did 500 Miles)

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @winston, @janetteb, @thane16

    Where we live now Hallowe’en is a really big (and really rather sweet) thing. The local shopping centre is closed to traffic all afternoon and there is a band playing and everybody – mainly parents and the tinies are dressed to the nines. Mrs Blenkinsop and I wandered up about 2pm (pretty cold but lots of sun) and passed a young couple carrying a tiny on their way to the festivities. All three were dressed in (pretty expensive, I imagine) identical superhero costumes–one 6 foot version, one 5 foot version, and one 18 inch version. Not only did they not stand out, but when one arrived at the main street, the costumes were even more elaborate. There were more tiny fairies per square foot running around than you would see in a Disney movie.

    By evening, the tinies were exhausted and back in bed, and there were slightly larger versions knocking on the door, either with or without parents in tow. Since I have lived here I have see costumes ranging from Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, with attendant chihuahua (also dressed as mini Elvira) to a tiny standing with parents at the front door (so small she could only just walk) dressed in huge red satin pantaloons, a bright yellow vest and on top of her tiny head a big white blob of fabric. When Mrs Blenkinsop bent down and asked: “And who are you dressed as?” she answered in this very soft voice: “Cupcake”. It was the sweetest damn thing you every saw.

    Coming from a place where Hallowe’en had never been celebrated, I think Mrs Blenkinsop and I have ended up in Hallowe’en heaven.


    Missy @missy

    Everyone in general:

    I must be the only person on this forum, who doesn’t agree with Halloween. It’s become very commercialised, with children going around dressed up to cadge sweets. The Celts have a lot to answer for. *grins*


    You are right, I’ve watched the clip many times.


    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave it sounds wonderful and I am envious. Any excuse for people to congregate in a inclusive social atmosphere is great and dressing up is so much fun. It breaks down social barriers, something I observed back in my working days, though of course it is not for everyone. Oddly enough it was the more extroverted people who disliked fancy dress/face painting but the less extroverted became far more extroverted because they had a measure of “disguise”, not unlike actors who are mostly introverts or at least lean towards that side of the introvert/extrovert spectrum.

    @missy In Australia Halloween does feel very hollow and commercial because we don’t really celebrate it, we don’t have the right “feel”, for want of a better word. When I was a child it was unheard of. We still recognised bonfire night, though the original meaning of that was lost, perhaps for the better. We lit small fires in the backyard and had fire crackers. Where I grew up it was usually cold and raining and all rather dismal. it was not a community celebration and so ceased to be when firecrackers were banned.

    Now in Sweden, .. one of the many things I really admired about Sweden was they way they celebrated traditional festival days, Walpurgis, May Day, the National Day and even Easter. They were huge, community celebrations, bringing people together. Celebrations such as these break up the dreary working year, creating high points to look forward to and so are good for mental health as well as social cohesion. And in Sweden they still had fire crackers and while I fully appreciate how dangerous they are, having witnessed a victim of a fire cracker incident in childhood, I also appreciate the joy they bring. New Year’s Eve in Stockholm was truely magical whereas all we are left with in Australia is getting drunk to mark the occasion.





    @winston @thane16 @janetteb

    And Shaun Dooley’s little surprise :

    And Phoebe Waller-Bridge and sister help out Prisoner Zero

    syzygy @thane16

    @winston @janetteb @pedant

    Amazing. I loved the “erm, the bit with the headphones? but not the bit with the noise?”

    Gorgeous. Also everyone & I mean everyone was saying they wanted Phoebe to be the next female Doctor? I had no idea who she was! Her name was distinct, though, which is why I’ve remembered it.

    Oh yep @pedant Tennant did 500 miles (terrifically good song. A brilliant one) . I think I said Children in Need started with Tennant. Gawp. What I meant to write was that it was the first Doctor Who involved with Children in Need unless I’m totally wrong about that?

    toinfinityandbepond @toinfinityandbepond

    http://Jodie Whittaker covers Coldplay for BBC Children in Need…https://youtu.be/OIFzZ91PZM



    You might want to scroll upthread 😉 (also, you’re link is broken)


    I think Tennant (with Davison) was in Comic Relief – Time Crash, the rather touching meeting of two Doctors.

    This, if not region locked:


    PS @craig – we really need a new sofa.

    syzygy @thane16

    @pedant @toinfinityandbepond

    thank you. Yes I recall this, now. Tennant was very good at this -if that’s the right word

    Also @jimthefish @craig when I click on a user’s name or on the discussion thread I notice we go right back to page 1? From 2017. Do we need a new place?


    syzygy @thane16


    Great kinds of minds!

    janetteB @janetteb

    @thane16 and mods. Same thing happening to me. I think our sofa is worn out, springs broken, fabric tearing, and that creaking is positively alarming..



    redishfraggle @redihfraggle

    Hello Dr Who peeps.  Hopefully this is the right place to post a question you might be able to help me with… (apologies if not)

    I couple of years ago I bought this vehicle.  The guy I bought it from told me it was painted black because it was on the set of Doctor Who, but he was vague on details.  Does anyone recognise it from an episode?  I’d love to see it in action.

    Thanks in advance!




    There was a similar (but not the same) vehicle used in Resolution, the last NY special (clip below) and I think it likely, but can’t recall) that similar would be have been used in S4 eps with UNIT in them (Sontaran Stratagem?). Others with better memories than me might chip in…

    In modern Who, UNIT vehicles tend to be black.

    redishfraggle @redihfraggle

    Thanks.  I should have mentioned it would have been filmed about 2-3 years ago, so definitely more recent than series 4



    OK – it that case, either Dark Water/ Death (S8) in Heaven or the Zygon Invasion/Inversion (s9) two parters.

    Both have “UNIT going into action” sequences.

    janetteB @janetteb

    It would not be the tank from Bells of St John’s would it? The three parter in Capaldi’s last series is another possibility.  The Pyramid at the End of the World might be worth checking. Will keep thinking,,




    @janetteb @redihfraggle

    No, that was a Challenger – a full-on battle tank, rather than the light tank.

    Pyramids/EotW is a decent shout, but from memory they were regular troops with regular camo, rather than UNIT black.

    Any excuse – the greatest Doctor entrance ever. Anachronisms!:

    janetteB @janetteb

    @pedant Magicians Apprentice indeed. (Not Bells of St Johns) I should not post while watching TV.



    redishfraggle @redihfraggle

    Thanks @janetteb and @pedant I have some watching to do then.



    One hit and you’re hooked.

    syzygy @thane16


    About which tanks do we speak?  Armoured or Dartank?


    I’ll just leave this here…

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