The Zygon Inversion
13 November 2015 at 21:03 #4689015 November 2015 at 09:35 #46974Miapatrick @miapatrick
@Mudlark- no problem. This remains one of the most civil corners of the internet. I do need to re-watch, I’ve slightly lost track of my own argument… sorry to hear about your back.16 November 2015 at 13:24 #47103
Save a rather self-indulgent intro, you might find this on why young men joined ISIS interesting.
TL;DR – the Doctor nailed it.16 November 2015 at 17:44 #47122bendubz11 @bendubz11
I feel like my faith in humanity has been restored. after the events in Paris my instant thought had been CapDoc’s speech, so on a youtube video of the speech I said something along the lines of how we need to remember talking is the only way to end this, and it has 27 likes.17 November 2015 at 01:19 #47151Anonymous @
@bendubz11 I would love to find my way to that youtube clip?
Good on you! I hope it gets 100s!17 November 2015 at 01:29 #47153bendubz11 @bendubz11
@purofilion Here’s the video! Happy watching!17 November 2015 at 01:56 #47156
I said something along the lines of how we need to remember talking is the only way to end this, and it has 27 likes.
28. In fact 29 now.17 November 2015 at 02:31 #47162Anonymous @
I went to the site. I shouldn’t have done thaaaat…..Because there’s some wierded out people -someone called Yesica1993 who believes that the speech is “leftist nonsense and ‘chatting’ with wicked people never works so we should bomb them.”
The example this twat used was the Paris tragedy. I asked her if she’d ever heard of the wars in Afghanistan (even in 1990), the Korean War, as well as the speech by Martin L. King who refers to a night wholly without stars as violence begets violence in a never ending spiral. I think I made the mistake of suggesting she was American (rather silly as there are millions of Americans -quite a few here! who don’t write as she did: “leftist nonsense”) due to the fact she needed to collate things as an infant -‘right’ ideas over here, and ‘left’ ideas over here: this person (from a show she clearly doesn’t recognise) must be speaking about not blowing people up therefore he is: a) talking shite and, b) is a leftie. Thus, he’s a wicked idiot and deserves to be blown up too.
But good on you Mr Bendz. There were, however, lots of good and sensible comments like yours. I saw that Yesica whatever received exactly ‘zero’ -but I couldn’t leave well alone could I? I was a bit sweary because that always helps 🙂
It’s why I avoid youtube or, where possible, never ever go below ‘the line.’ It freaks me out -too many nutters.18 November 2015 at 00:26 #47217gamergirlavatar @gamergirlavatar
This was a great second part to a wonderful story. Clara was very brilliant and was very smart. She was able to put the pieces together very quickly and very well. The Doctor and Osgood made a very good team and Osgood was just as quick as Clara. Peter has proven himself to be a fantastic actor, being emotion into his wonderfully wrote speech. Peter Harness and Moffat wrote the greats speech I have heard in a while, even better than one of Matt Smiths speeches, even though he brought emotion into his speeches as well. Jenna has also proven to be a great actor, or actress. She played a strict evil alien and a companion very well. Season nine really is the best season.21 November 2015 at 16:22 #47422Craig @craigEmperor
Sorry for being AWOL for the last few days – was very busy then got ill, probably from being very busy!
Anyway, this is great. Frank Skinner (you know, him who was in “Mummy on the Orient Express” last year) discussing this episode (well, a part of it). It starts around 13:45 and is well worth a watch.2 January 2016 at 23:55 #49966birdtomahawk @birdtomahawk
Apologies for posting so many of these on the site but I see a lot of really interesting points about the episode here and would like to contribute a video discussing the reason the anti-war speech was so effective and speculation on how much Steven Moffat had pre-planned in this episode before passing the baton to Peter Harness.15 January 2016 at 04:09 #50145
My goodness, so much to read and too little time.
Please forgive me if this has already been covered and thrashed out.
I couldn’t come to grips with “three Claras?”
The Zygon “Clara” I get. Returning ‘the real Clara’ before opening the ‘boxes’ I get.
Who though, was the Clara who manipulated the Bazooka to bring down the Doctor’s plane and
was questioned by the Clara Zygon in her flat?
Is the Clara back with the Doctor, really Clara, or a Zygon?
Were the boxes really empty? We all know the Doctor lies. – I know you can’t answer that, merely a speculation on my part.
Loved Osgood, it was always my hope that she’d be his next companion.
All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed it.11 March 2016 at 23:57 #51291
So months later, rewatching in a hurry, and Capaldi’s speech has not lost a single photon of its power. But familiarity lets you admire the scenery a bit and the attention to detail is phenomenal – and Jenna Coleman’s acting as Bonnie is a small masterclass…er…mistress class.12 March 2016 at 05:31 #5130416 March 2016 at 16:15 #51381KBranagh @kbranagh
I just saw “The Zygon Inversion”
Damn, it was sublime. 45 minutes gone in a flash.
Definitely the most political and provoking Who episode in a long time, bravo to Hartness and Moffat! A drama war with a strong and delicate moral thematic, the final speech of the Doctor was pure gold. No longer a series for kids.
Just a few weeks later in another review i talk about the Capaldi talent and the monologue moment of the Doctor, more and more often used by the writers in the twelve era….now, this, from the ”Zygon Inversion” maybe is not a monologue but yet again a masterpiece performance from the best Doctor ever! Capaldi gets better every weeks, i’m always impressed.
Also a great performance from Jenna Coleman in “Zygella”(xD) character….and Clara wow, more smart and cleaver in this episode! Now has saved the Doctor even in a telepatic-sleep state. This Doctor and this companion has elevated the series more than ever.
I have a question/curiosity guys, now i’m near to the end! Just 4 ep left.
“Dark Water” from the season 8 is my favourite Who episode of all time! What should i have to expect from this finale?16 March 2016 at 17:11 #51382
i also loved Dark Water but was not to impressed with Death In Heaven (Michelle Gomez was superb though) as for the finale I’m not going to give anything a way but for me personally it was a game of two halves!17 March 2016 at 00:09 #5138517 March 2016 at 07:06 #51388
I have to admit – at risk of being scalped verbally- that there were times when Danny got on my wick!
However, I do enjoy both the above mentioned.
Missy17 March 2016 at 07:16 #51389
I keep forgetting about that I suppose you could say a game of three thirds. What surprised me this year was how each episode would go in an entirely different direction from the last! This I suppose made it more unpredictable which is a good thing! I’m sorry to say though that I was impressed with two of the thirds but the other didn’t really do it for me!17 March 2016 at 07:25 #51390
If you mean, The girl who died, I agree. Nor did I take to The girl who lived.
Missy17 March 2016 at 07:38 #51391
@missy I was referring to the series finale there but I too didn’t like the Ashilder two parter, for me it was the weakest story of the series but then again I am yet to rewatch sleep no more which I wasn’t keen on the first time I saw it!
Under the Lake-Before The Flood has to be the highlight of the series and I liked the second part of the dalek opener and Heaven Sent was sensational! The Zygon two parter was good and I enjoyed Face the Raven as well!19 March 2016 at 22:37 #51398KBranagh @kbranagh
thank you all guys!
Now, i can’t wait for the last episodes! This season is too good for now.23 March 2016 at 06:34 #51415
It would be quicker for me to name the episodes I wasn’t keen on.
The girl who died/the girl who lived and sleep no more.
I’ve seen both of them twice, and still aren’t keen.
Missy23 March 2016 at 07:14 #51416
@missy Yeah good point and it’s always a good sign if it takes longer to write out the good ones! I think series 3, 5 and 8 are the only other ones from the new series that I can think of. Possibly series 1 as well!29 March 2016 at 18:27 #51519dailyboother @dailyboother
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A bit random, but I just want to talk about the Doctor’s amazing anti-war speech in this episode. I’m close tears every time I rewatch it. I hope to see more of this side of 12 in season (or series) 10.24 April 2016 at 05:45 #51844
Superb isn’t, as is Peter Capaldi.
He manages to transmit all the pain and anguish he has had to live with for centuries.
Of course, he has forgotten that he actually saved Gallifrey – or has he?
Missy24 April 2016 at 12:05 #51853Anonymous @
Yes. How much does he remember about Gallifrey, I wonder?
Amazing how Capaldi can visibly express how much pain the Doctor has suffered through, not only losing his entire planet, but also all of the people who have lost their lives for him. A quote that seems to stick in my mind said by Davros is, “How many have died in your name, Doctor?”25 April 2016 at 03:22 #51878
He is extremely good at showing emotion. Yes, that’s quite a ine isn’t it. All the more powerful because it’s true.
Missy20 July 2016 at 14:30 #53349MissRori @missrori
Ooooooo, that speech! Much as I love Doctor Who, and as moving as so many of Twelve’s episodes have been that’s the one scene that well and truly reduced me to tears when I first saw it. I should watch it every day, but I don’t. 😉
(Also, Bonnie the Zygon was my personal favorite of the Series 9 villains, not counting ones who were previously established such as Davros, Missy, et.al. And even then, she ranks pretty high.)21 July 2016 at 05:50 #53377
Me too, that the the hand kissing in “The Raven”. I literally had tears running down my cheeks, in the latter.
Missy21 July 2016 at 09:52 #53379amitgupta10294 @amitgupta10294
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Is Steven Moffat a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn?31 July 2016 at 05:54 #5349131 July 2016 at 21:12 #53501Mersey @mersey
I’ve never rated these two episodes very highly. I’ve rather considered them as superficial and childish. But there’s no point in denying that Doctor Who has always been rather politicised and leftie and those two episodes are very leftie.
I’ve been thinking a lot about the British Labour Party lately because of the turmoil in their ranks. And that made me think that this Doctor’s attitude to sit down and talk some very serious and delicate matters through reminds me Jeremy Corbyn’s policy. He’s the controversial Labour Party leader who called talk to people from such organizations as Hezbollah which for many is the terrorist organization (EU recognizes Hezbollah’s political wing as a party and military wing as a terrorist organization) or Sinn Féin before the peace process. That’s all.3 August 2016 at 06:09 #535474 August 2016 at 03:57 #53555winston @winston4 August 2016 at 12:25 #535611 April 2017 at 06:36 #55937
I’ve been meaning to mention this, but it kept slipping my mind. Did any of you spot the picture of William Hatnell on the door of the safe where Bonnie kept the computer?
Of course you did, just checking. *big grin*
Missy25 May 2020 at 05:05 #707052 June 2020 at 07:14 #70725
Very quick wasn’t it.
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