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16 April 2013 at 19:18 #5811
Clara not gaining access to the TARDIS in Ahkaten as simply due to her not having a key.
I think the real mystery is that the TARDIS doors are now closed. In fact, they’re locked. The Doctor definitely leaves the TARDIS door open as he takes Clara to the market.
That’s why Clara’s so puzzled; the door was left open. Has she even seen the TARDIS locked at that point?16 April 2013 at 12:25 #5753
@PhineasF – the Doctor whistles ‘Silent Night’.
I’d say it’s a fairly safe bet that the constant problems with flickering electric light mean that the Silence are hanging around somewhere. Possibly in a Soviet sub because the Soviets wouldn’t have watched anything as capitalist as the Americans beating them to the moon?16 April 2013 at 12:19 #5749
Next you’ll be saying that the Doctor’s put his soul into the sonic screwdriver just before he hands it to River!
Nice thought, @whisht!
Yes, unwrapping this, he could have put the Whoniverse equivalent of a zipped program into the screwdriver, then hands it to River. His younger self, trying to save River, unwittingly also downloads his own older soul into the safe location of the Library. Safe because it’s now guarded by the Vashta Nerada – no one else can live on that planet (quite possibly not even the Silence are safe there now )
And his soul sleeps, to be woken up when You Clever Boy is run.
That would be very nice, because it bridges how the Doctor currently is – calculating, willing to use even his wife and deceive his friends to save himself – with the way he used to be. Ten’s frantic run isn’t calculating at all; it’s simply the Doctor trying desperately to save someone else’s life. It’s the Doctor at his best.16 April 2013 at 09:30 #5731
@craig – I’ve been at the searching for victims ::cough:: sorry, research subjects stage myself, so I’d be happy to volunteer. Like Whisht, I trust she’s giving her subjects anonymity? (if she isn’t, she needs to re-read her ethics chapter 🙂 )15 April 2013 at 22:53 #5715
Sorry, struggling with the link to the folk tale: <a href=”http://www.artrusse.ca/fairytales/firebird.htm“>15 April 2013 at 22:47 #5713
@juniperfish – I think we may have got caught up in The Firebird as a phoenix, and forgotten that it’s also an ballet by Stravinsky. Musical pass key, anyone?
Anyway, the short version of the plot. The Hero, Prince Ivan (Russian for ‘John’, John Smith?), enters the magical realm of Kaschei the immortal (that rather suggests the Master’s non-canonical nickname) and while he’s there, manages to catch the Firebird. He also falls in love with a princess, has a row with Kaschei about it, Kaschei sends his monsters at him and the Firebird drives them off (with lots of dancing). And then manages to send Kaschei to sleep.
While he’s asleep, the Firebird tells Ivan the secret of Kaschei’s immortality – his soul is kept inside a magical egg. Ivan destroys the egg, killing Kaschei, all the monsters vanish, the real people inside this magical world wake up, Ivan gets the princess, and all dance.
I wouldn’t say that we’re following this plot exactly, but what strikes me is:
The tiny clues are to a ‘land of fiction’ (the twine), a ‘magical land’ – which @phileasf has picked up on. I’d point out that in both cases there are real people in this fictional land.
We get a repeat of a theme that’s being hammered home in the last few episodes. Soul (whatever the metaphysics of it are) and body are not the same thing. In Bells of St John, people’s ‘souls’ were uploaded and could be downloaded. In Rings of Akhaten, souls could be eaten. In Cold War, the big reveal was that an Ice Warrior isn’t the same thing as his armour.
Equally, in Bells of St John you have the Doctor interacting via a remote robot, in Cold War Skaldak makes his armour move like a robot. Could be the Doctor thinking a Dalek shell isn’t the same thing as the ‘soul’ inside, could be the idea that the soul can be transferred into another body (the egg) for safekeeping.
The folk tale the ballet was loosely based on (there’s a version here: http://www.artrusse.ca/fairytales/firebird.htm also has other interesting motifs; a helpful wolf, Prince Ivan is an incurable thief and he gets killed and brought back to life.
Oh, and when he’s brought back to life, he thinks he’s just been asleep.15 April 2013 at 21:18 #5699
@ardaraith – the clue could be in the story title that the twine was found in: The Mind Robbers.
I think the Sindy doll is just a meta-joke; Sindy was also ‘born’ in 1963.15 April 2013 at 21:15 #5697
I really do wonder why the TARDIS keeps bailing
I admit her ‘bugger this for a game of sailors, I’m off!’ was one of the funniest moments in Cold War. 🙂15 April 2013 at 18:27 #5669
@haveyoufedthefish and @phileasf – I’d go against the ‘its all a dream’ for the very reason that audiences usually resent it. When Moffat decided to do the ‘Amy is a ganger’ plotline, the clues were puzzling – but not subtle. Even the smallest child could see Madame Kovarian breaking into ‘reality’.
So I’d add go for the idea – which I think has been suggested before – that, yes, what we’re watching might be an unreliable, Rashomon-style retelling, but it is a retelling of actual events. The Doctor is trying to work out how he got into this mess. He may be attempting a reprogramming, or we may be watching the upload/download of his memory.
One of the most constant jokes in this series has been the Doctor missing something that’s right in front of him; haring off along a primrose path while the Ice Warrior is standing right behind him. So whatever is going on, it’s big and it’s obvious. So big, in fact, we can’t see it.
I think Moffat did joke immediately after The Pandorica Opens that the next episode would be entirely in flashback; so it wouldn’t surprise me if the whole of S7 does turn out to be the biggest flashback in the history of television. It would fit with what we’ve noticed; events don’t seem to be in quite the right order. It would also fit the ‘right in front of us/behind us, but we can’t see it’ joke. We’re in the middle of the program – the Doctor has run ‘You Clever Boy’. Now the download (and we know from Rory, River and the Ganger-Doctor that a downloaded program can have the ‘soul’ of the original) needs to work out what went wrong.
I do think Clara’s either the ‘storage device’ or the next Doctor. Why might she be the next Doctor? (Apart from all the ‘Doctor Who – the programme’ clues) Because one last ditch effort to erase a virus is to wipe the hard drive, reformat, destroy all the old programming and data – and then reinstall the stuff you know to be virus free.15 April 2013 at 17:48 #566314 April 2013 at 23:05 #5609
@juniperfish – I think it’s a case of is David Warner playing an actual Time Lord? Or is he playing the person the Doctor should be, but manifestly isn’t?
That is, is he symbolically filling the Doctor shaped gap that the Doctor has created? He’s taking care of the Doctor’s companion – which the Doctor himself isn’t doing. If it hadn’t been for the Professor, the world would probably have been blown up; Clara would have been scared and frozen with horror in a corridor somewhere and certainly not up to doing ‘think of your daughter’ speeches in the control room. Even if the world and the submarine had survived, Clara would undoubtedly have never wanted to travel with the Doctor again.
What stopped that happening was the Professor taking the Doctor’s role. For this episode, he was Clara’s Grandfather. And the Doctor was an appallingly bad Grandfather. More the wolf, in fact.
So I suspect we’re seeing parallels to the Doctor because it’s written in; the Doctor isn’t being the Doctor. Fortunately, there is a Doctor-figure on hand to save the day. To make Clara realise that the game she’s just got into is one of saving the world, messy and horrible as that might sometimes be.
It may turn out that this Doctor-figure was indeed a past or future Doctor, turning up to help save himself. Or it may just be symbolic.
According to the subtitles, when the Doctor is taunting Skaldak to face him, he says “look me in the eye.” As if he had the single eye of a dalek. And again, like last week when he used the Sonic as a shield, this week he uses the Sonic as a weapon – a weapon that can blow up the submarine.
But his Sonic isn’t a weapon. It’s a screwdriver.14 April 2013 at 18:41 #5565
Going on from ‘pass-word’ protected, I wonder if (if there is a password) it’s the Doctor’s name?
Looking at your Egyptology references, @juniperfish, I note that the name is one of the parts of a person’s soul. As long as the name can be spoken, the person’s soul isn’t truly dead.
Which kind of adds significance to River knowing the Doctor’s name; though I do think that when Moffat wrote Silence in the Library he did think River found out the Doctor’s name when they married – and the apology was because she was about to tell the Doctor his future, meaning he had no choice but to marry her. Moffat’s just changed his mind since (when the actress was available to become a semi-regular).
But the significance now is that River does become Isis (don’t know if you’ve already mentioned this, but the Isis is a river, by the way).
So what if Clara is – well, several possibilities. She may be the next incarnation of the Doctor. She may be the Doctor’s granddaughter or daughter, or descendent. She may be an ordinary human, or she may be a biological construct, designed to the Doctor’s specifications.
Whatever. The point is, that she’s a container. She holds within her the Doctor’s memories. More than his memories, she holds himself, his ‘soul’, his memories, stories, hopes and dreams. It’s all there, hidden, and it cannot be accessed until the password is spoken.
And what she represents is the Doctor’s last desperate throw of the dice; because at some point the body of the Eleventh is taken over – either by his dark self or by something like the GI. And the Doctor’s ‘soul’ within his body has been destroyed.
And that’s why we’ve been watching story after story where it’s emphasised that the ‘real’ person might not be in the body they first started with. (There was another ‘doppleganger’ this week, when it was emphasised that Skaldak and his armour weren’t the same thing – but that the Doctor was so used to thinking of them AS the same thing, it never occurred to him that Skaldak could escape from his armour). The Doctor’s body doesn’t have to be the same thing as the Doctor. The Doctor’s ‘soul’ might be – like Rory the Roman – hanging out in another body entirely.
Is that bonkers enough for everyone?14 April 2013 at 12:24 #549914 April 2013 at 11:44 #5489
@Whist – the Doctor has used a gun, and as far as I could see, the Professor doesn’t even seem to have wounded the Ice Warrior. That would be entirely consistent – he shot to miss.
He’s willing to use guns (and indeed, grenade launchers) against the Daleks. As he explained to Ace when he was busily encouraging the precursor of UNIT to go all Full Metal Jacket – “What do we do then, talk to them sternly?”14 April 2013 at 11:39 #5487
Just a thought: the fields of Trenzalore, where no one can speak falsely or fail to answer, and I’m damn certain that it’s phrased that way specifically to provide a ‘get out clause’. Last episode, we heard Clara say ‘You know when someone asks you what your favourite book is, and you instantly forget every book you ever read?’
This episode, the Professor asks her what sorts of things she does and she promptly goes ‘err, err, stuff!’. Yet seconds before she had no problems talking about Karaoke and hen nights. Similarly, she can’t think where she’d most like to go – she makes the Doctor choose – but can easily tell little Merry about a childhood memory.
Suppose she’s got the equivalent of a password-protected memory? She can choose to talk about her past; but as soon as someone asks her a direct question about her past she temporarily forgets that past. She can therefore answer, truthfully, ‘I don’t know’.
She is not speaking falsely, she has not failed to answer. At that moment, she truly does not know.13 April 2013 at 23:31 #5441
The actress is from Blackpool, but at moments sounded very ‘London’ – and then wandered back to her native Lancs. We now know that Clara is from Lancashire; she lives close enough to Blackpool beach for her Mum to give her a fish and chip supper before taking her home to bed.
I also noticed that Matt Smith sounded unbelievably ‘London’ at points. Echoes of Ten, I’d imagine. So, yeah, evidence of fracturing; he was speaking with Ten’s accent. Be interesting to see if he tries Nine’s Mancunian soon, or the Seventh’s Aberdeen/Dunoon mix.13 April 2013 at 23:24 #5435
Anyway, thinking along this ‘Warner as a Doctor’ angle before I trot off to sleep – his in-story role seemed to be to protect Clara. And if the sonic was picked up when Clara was rescued out of the water, then he hung onto it for a fair amount of story time, only handing it back to the Eleventh when he genuinely needed it.
But as well as shooting at the Ice Warrior, his most important role seemed to be finding a way to get Clara over the ‘hump’ that came when she saw real dead people for the first time. The Eleventh leaves her to it; the Professor sits down and talks to her. Almost as if he knows that it is deeply, deeply important that Clara doesn’t lose her nerve. She must continue to travel with the Doctor.
Or perhaps he’s just a nice old guy and Clara reminds him of an (unmentioned) granddaughter.13 April 2013 at 22:23 #5423
@ardaraith hungry like the wolf.
She doesn’t need to sing the Martian song to remind the Ice Warrior of his daughter – it’s pretty clear that the Ice Warrior connects Clara with his daughter from the moment she comes to negotiate. Like his daughter, this is her ‘first taste of action’. The implication is that he sang the songs to keep his daughter’s spirits up (as the Professor later tries to do for Clara).
So as soon as she starts singing at the end, she connects him with his young daughter, going into battle for the first time. Trying to be brave.
Incidentally, the Professor’s joke about ‘I think he wants to speak to the organ grinder, not the monkey’, kind of connects to the ‘humans are apes’ comments often made by the Doctor.13 April 2013 at 22:05 #5413
I think the thing that’s selling the idea of the Professor as the Doctor (either the First or a Future Doctor) – to me – is that he doesn’t talk about a granddaughter, or do a ‘you remind me of my granddaughter’ to Clara. He just behaves like her grandfather. It is never mentioned, yet utterly apparent in all their interactions.
Clara underwater – she falls underwater, she sees the sonic in front of her. Then she regains consciousness, someone’s apparently pulled her out, put a uniform jacket on her so she’s warm. The Doctor and the Captain are arguing, but the jacket suggests we have several missing minutes. During the missing minutes, the Professor has arrived.
During the first introduction of the Ice Warrior, the Professor is placed towards the back, in a position where he’s out of focus. I mean, seriously, they’ve put David Warner in a position where he’s out of focus? For almost the entire scene? The only reaction shot we see is when the Doctor is reeling off the titles, and the reaction could be ‘these are odd names’ or ‘ah, that’s who this guy is’.
Then when the First Lieutenant is trying to persuade the Captain this is some evil Capitalist plot, it’s the Professor who bluntly says ‘it’s a big green man from Mars’. ‘They’re telling the truth’.
So, yes, there is something going on with the Professor, I think.13 April 2013 at 19:56 #5381
Now, question is: does Clara genuinely ‘forget’ when she’s asked to reveal something of herself, or is this something she does deliberately?
Last week she used the ‘forget’ excuse, this week she’s using the ‘time-traveller’ excuse, but the effect both times is that she refuses to reveal anything about herself. She won’t tell the Doctor where she’d like to go – she makes him choose. And she won’t tell the Professor what she likes doing, either.
‘Professor’ has been used by River Song, the Master and Ace to the Doctor.13 April 2013 at 17:53 #5353
Very much Classic Who in feel, wasn’t it?13 April 2013 at 12:21 #5317
By the way, @craig, if you should ever feel inclined to adopt a website motto, I’m particularly fond of Rory’s comment from The God Complex.
No, it’s amazing you’ve come up with a theory even more insane than what’s actually happening.
Something like “We come up with theories even more insane than what’s actually happening.”
😀13 April 2013 at 12:14 #5313
@thommck – that’s why I’m thinking ‘Time Lord interference’. We know (Waters of Mars) that Time Lords can change the time line of the ‘little people’. So a Time Lord would know enough to select a perfectly unimportant bloke from Bolton-le-Sands (not in the script, it’s where the actor’s from) who gets killed in an accident and then not have him killed.
Pete Tyler’s death couldn’t be altered; but they ret-conned that later – he wasn’t ‘a perfectly unimportant bloke’. As we see in the alternate time-line, he was someone who would have had a major effect on the world – had he lived.
So my guess is that they’ve used the same model and colour of car to hint that this was indeed a pivotal event. Either time has just been changed so that Dad can be Clara’s Dad – or something was trying to kill Dad before he could be Clara’s Dad.
Or, as per my bonkers theory that Clara is adopted, he got dragged out of the path of the car because Clara really ought to have a Dad, and he was a good choice. It allowed Clara to be inserted into the time-line in a way that didn’t affect or change anyone else’s life; except in a good way.13 April 2013 at 12:00 #5309
the powers decided to remove some days leading to riots by some parts of the population who believed that they had lost actual days from their life.
Not Who-related – though it’d make a nice plot point for an episode – but while I know that myth, I was told that the population were really rioting on the perfectly sensible grounds that they still had to pay rent for those eleven lost days. I’d be a bit annoyed as well, if I had to pay a week and a half’s rent for nothing.
The government shifted the date of the tax year to get their eleven days back, but did they move the quarter days so that the people paid three months rent for three actual months? Nope.12 April 2013 at 21:28 #5259
I think the man standing next to Clara in the grave scene will turn out to be somebody. It would have been as easy to have her standing there by herself yet they chose to put him there
Hi, @thedoctordude It’s her (older) dad, I think.
I agree re: Clara’s mother. While they obviously couldn’t (eight years later) get exactly the same car that knocked Pete Tyler down, it’s the same type and colour of car. Which suggests her Dad was supposed to die in ‘freak leaf accident’ (the song is ‘Ghost Town’) – and her mother stopped that happening.
Which yells ‘Time Lord interference’ to me. Possibly she may be chameleon arched, or possibly the Doctor will later bring Ellie Ravenwood to the right place and time to save her future husband.12 April 2013 at 19:53 #5247
@tiddler – which one at the end? Is it on the TARDIS when he takes the test flight, or does it first appear when he comes back two years later?12 April 2013 at 15:01 #5225
she got the hots for a Timelord personality black hole called Andred. Bizarre.
I believe Louise Jameson is on record as saying both she and the actor playing Andred found it equally bizarre, and were searching through the scripts for any hint that they might be falling that deeply in love.
There weren’t any. So they resorted to lingering glances and longing looks in a desperate attempt to make it less of an ‘oh, by the way, Leela’s leaving and we need some kind of excuse, so…’12 April 2013 at 00:28 #5201
Clara’s Mum did tell her that if she (Clara) went to the moon, she’d still find her.
However, if this is all the product of the Library, it’d suggest the Doctor’s body has been physically destroyed and he’s currently only existing in CAL’s virtual reality. Which would in turn suggest that the bonkers theory that he’s remembering all this is the right one.11 April 2013 at 23:29 #5193
I suspect that – even if characters speculate on-screen – all the viewer will know is that our Doctor has started a new cycle. That is, the original mystery of the character will be restored; after 50 years of learning everything about him except his name, we discover that this was only one life of many. Who is he really? We won’t know. All we know is what we’ve seen on screen.
Though personally, I’d reckon the Master’s a better fit for the destroyer aspect of Shiva – he’s certainly the one we’ve seen dancing; the Doctor famously can’t.11 April 2013 at 22:26 #5185
Re: shared servers – we use Hostgator for our ‘trial’ site. That is, the one where we rebuild the databases and stress the system. For our ‘public’ site we use ICDhost.
We’ve also had a huge number of ‘visitors’ in the past few weeks who seem to have been trying to find their way in past our defences; what I’ve currently done is block the IP addresses of the worst offenders (who seem to be Russian porn sites) using an .htaccess file.
If it’s any help, I can e-mail you a list of those addresses.11 April 2013 at 19:04 #5165
@juniperfish – we can join hands and fins in our not being exactly a fan of Graves, then. 🙂 What I would say is that if Moffat’s including Easter, British pre-Christian mythology (Stonehenge?), and Egyptian, the signal is that he’s playing mix and match with the myths.
Which, within the show’s mythology, is entirely reasonable. Within the show, these myths may have come from the story now playing out in front of us. Or, they may have come from the previous cycle. The Doctor is repeating a cycle he’s (she’s?) done many times before. Like Clara, he can only remember his own life. Like Clara, he appears to have been born normally, had a perfectly normal childhood, graduated from the Academy.
Anyone spot that one of the photos of Clara was her celebrating at her degree ceremony? Incidentally, she appears to be a BA of the University of London, which explains why she’s now living there. But it’s strongly reminiscent of the Doctor being well known as a graduate of the Academy, with tutors and friends who knew him there.
In-story, that may be one of the purposes of Clara – to emphasise that a person who repeats through time may re-start as a baby. And have memories of a perfectly normal life.11 April 2013 at 18:18 #5159
It makes sense that Van Gogh popped the date they had to go to in the picture. I will say that they seem to have selected the 21st of January on the grounds that it’s a deeply unexciting date. The only thing I can find out about it is that it’s when Lenin died. 🙂11 April 2013 at 17:39 #5143
Haven’t a clue, mainly because I can’t actually read the numbers. 🙂 Or the words.
The only readable number is XXI – twenty one. That was the series when Peter Davison regenerated into Colin Baker.11 April 2013 at 14:56 #5131
Anyone posted this 50th Anniversary fan video yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrSaTHsHNsc
I thought it pretty good. 🙂11 April 2013 at 14:17 #5129
@thommck – not a stretch, but I think ‘Summer falls’ is a reference to the Doctor’s ‘Lord of Time’ title.
Lord of Summer, Lord of Winter. Robert Graves first suggested it as a folkloric archetype (though me, I’d call it a fairytale rather than a genuine archetype) – the Oak King and the Holly King. They are two aspects of the same deity (listening, @juniperfish ?), one representing the light, the other the dark. They fight perpetually – shades of the Doctor and the Master.
The reason I tend to doubt Graves’ interpretation is that Holly in folklore is generally seen as the light within the dark. It keeps away evil spirits, for example.
But if that archetype is being used, Summer falls, Winter wins – but then Winter will give way to Summer; Summer is always reborn.
Though admittedly, at the moment, it feels as if Summer is never going to bloody win 🙂11 April 2013 at 13:26 #5123
just a drip of them every now and again
Well, we’ll certainly have drips in Cold War!11 April 2013 at 12:37 #5111
@htpbdet – I keep saying they need to bring his wife in. Seriously, she can obviously keep him to the bloody budget 😀
But yes, I think they are granting their flagship a ridiculously low budget.11 April 2013 at 12:27 #5107
Anyway, moving back to 50th Anniversary speculation – or possibly end of 7.2 speculation:
Would anyone else find it funny if they referenced the notorious slight difficulty Romana had in saying her own full name by having the Doctor mispronounce his own name? I always vaguely imagined that Time Lord’s real names were some high-falutin’ High Gallifreyan things that everybody promptly changed to a nickname, or at least shortened.
Probably just my sense of humour, but it might be funny if at a very tense moment it’s
Doctor: My name is written in fire in the stars. It echoes across the aeons. My name is [insertnamehere] oh, damn, no, not quite, uh, [insertnamehere]
River: Shall we go for best two out of three, dear?11 April 2013 at 12:06 #5097
I always read the budget thing as the producers trying to force the Beeb into giving them a realistic budget – and failing.
And while, yes, you could blame Steven Moffat alone, he did have two other Executive Producers on-board at the time. And it was their job to ensure that writers and directors stayed within budget. That’s a producers’ job, not the Head Writer’s (even if the Head Writer does have an Executive Producer credit).
The job of a Head Writer and director is to ask for as much as they possibly can – the job of the producer is to say ‘no, we can’t afford it.’10 April 2013 at 21:10 #5027
Peter Jackson is on record as being a Who fan, but the connections between him and Steven Moffat go back to the film Tintin, which Peter Jackson was producing. Moffat was scriptwriter – but had to leave after his first draft because he was offered the Head Writer job on Doctor Who.
Both Spielberg and Jackson were apparently very much ‘yes, we can see you have to leave, don’t worry about the contract, Head Writer for Doctor Who is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity’.
Fast forward to Sherlock, starring Benedict Cumberbatch and one Martin Freeman. Who got cast as Smaug and Bilbo Baggins, respectively in Jackson’s film ‘The Hobbit’. Peter Jackson scheduled a filming break for The Hobbit especially to enable Martin Freeman to keep his Sherlock obligations. That suggests he and Moffat got to know each other well enough during Tintin that they can pick up the phone to each other and talk about possible schedules.
Sylvester McCoy is in The Hobbit, playing Radagast the Brown. The part has been massively expanded for him – he was also the second choice for ‘Bilbo’ in Lord of the Rings. So he’s worked with Peter Jackson, and Jackson obviously admires his acting skills.10 April 2013 at 20:37 #5013
If they’re in it, it’s likeliest that they’ve already done their filming and have now been sent off on an exciting world tour to explain to everyone that they’re not in it, honest guv, these bloody producers, think they know everything…
New Zealand occurred to me because – if you’re desperately trying to keep certain of the filming details a secret – there wouldn’t be as many reporters and fans chasing around. And there are connections between Moffat and Jackson, and indeed, Sylvester McCoy and Jackson.
And it turns out Peter Jackson said back in 2012 that he’d love to direct an episode of Who. 🙂10 April 2013 at 20:01 #4997
I think this is a massive smokescreen (these 3 doctors being in Aus right now).
We certainly can’t tell anything from it – filming is taking place over April. They could have already filmed their spots. For that matter, a voice over or spot similar to Oswin’s first appearance could have been recorded in New Zealand – The Hobbit filming meant that there’s facilities set up for recording material that is being directed from London.
And all three actors have gaps between conventions – though Sylvester McCoy’s gaps would mean he’d need to travel from Australia to Canada via Cardiff. He’s the one who looks least likely to be doing any future filming; he’s heavily booked with convention appearances.
[Actually, it’d be really interesting to know when these three flew out to New Zealand. What with Martin Freeman having to juggle his Hobbit filming to fit in with Sherlock, Peter Jackson might know Steven Moffat quite well by now. It’d be hilarious if the 50th Anniversary Special has a ‘Second Unit Director’ credit for Peter Jackson.]10 April 2013 at 19:31 #4985
@jimthefish – it has occurred to me that if Ten does have advance knowledge, that would not only retcon his terror of regenerating, it would also retcon that definitely-a-bit-over-the-top ‘farewell tour’. It not only becomes the Doctor’s last chance to make sure his friends are okay, but it’s also his last chance to effectively say ‘this is how I want you to remember me’.
Though given that dopplegangers are a bit of a theme, it wouldn’t surprise me if David Tennant ends up playing Ten when he was companionless and also 10.5 with Rose.10 April 2013 at 14:13 #4931
Ooh, that’s a wee bit of genius yourself.
Because if he is, that would retrospectively explain why the Tenth Doctor was so terrified of his coming regeneration.10 April 2013 at 13:37 #4917
Yes, indeedy. At least one of them is.
The eleven Doctors?10 April 2013 at 13:20 #4913
Anyway, spoiler space for the feed, blah, blah, even more blah.
The Trafalgar Square pictures also show Clara standing in an open door. I’d point out that, yes, we have had the Eleventh Doctor hanging out of the TARDIS before, namely when it was crashing in The Eleventh Hour. So is the TARDIS taking off? Or crashing?
Given that they probably didn’t want to accidentally squash their actors, even if the crane was taking the TARDIS up they could be crashing – just reverse the recording.
But yeah – if the TARDIS is taking off, it’s running like hell from someone who appears to be the Eleventh Doctor. Either it’s under somebody else’s control (not Clara’s, she’s at the door) or all our theories about Matt Smith playing the villain for the 50th are right. He’s the dark doppleganger, or Omega in the shape of the Eleventh, or the GI embodied. 🙂
Whatever this is – they filmed it in Trafalgar Square in the middle of a working day. They’re not exactly trying to keep it secret. This is a teaser scene – and quite possibly isn’t what it looks like.10 April 2013 at 13:05 #4909
Rather than the Doctor playing different incarnations in each episode, how about if the Doctor is splitting apart as we watch? They hinted at that in the ganger story; the ganger had problems bringing all the different selves together. Perhaps ‘the madman in a box’ is becoming increasingly unable to ‘hold himself together’.
As you say, @juniperfish, that would explain both the acting inconsistencies, and @htpbdet‘s feeling that Smith is sometimes ‘acting’ rather than ‘being’ the part. It’s the Doctor who is acting the part of the Doctor, presenting a persona, a mask.
The Isis/Osiris mythology is a good bet, given that Egyptian mythology is being referenced by the incredible number of pyramids popping up. Christian mythology (using the ‘sacred narrative’ sense of the word) is almost certainly being referenced as well. Broadcast dates have been altered to hit Easter – that’s a hint.
Rebirth and redemption – the Doctor probably isn’t actively looking for rebirth, but he’s certainly looking for redemption and forgiveness. He’s said so.9 April 2013 at 16:47 #4849
@juniperfish, if there is one writer in the universe who can manage to work out how to get a “his penis is still missing!” joke into a programme largely aimed at children, that writer is Steven Moffat. 😀9 April 2013 at 14:14 #4831
And the twitter site is suspecting it’s been blindsided and that other filming is going on elsewhere, with Tennant and Billie
That would be quite funny, really.
“We’ve got to do some filming. In public. In the middle of London. How the heck are we going to hide it from the fans”
“Well, I don’t know! What do you expect me to do? Hang the TARDIS off a crane in Trafalgar Square, so everyone goes and takes photos of that?”
“Hmmm…..”9 April 2013 at 11:55 #4793
Um, folks – I’m probably one of the very few Guardian readers who can say this, but:
Margaret Thatcher to me was both the national figure and ‘a nice grown up who always remembered to ask me how I was doing at school’.
I’m avoiding the Guardian at the moment because I know exactly what the reaction will be over there, and I’d truly appreciate it if we could stay off the subject here.