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5 March 2014 at 12:42 #26113
@tomsscarf – Oh yes if somebody is being mean about it, but I was using the phrase ‘nerd’ about myself… as I said I’m more used to American terms.
@faegrl – That’s okay! And yes I would like to move to America. I seem to get along with Americans, and you guys have so much stuff over there! My favourite states are Massachusetts (haven’t been there before… but its got the history and its beautiful during Fall), California, Florida (only state I’ve visited), Louisiana and Arizona. Oh no… my Topic Dalek instincts are telling me this is going off-topic! Wait… getting back to Doctor Who…
That’s rather interesting that folks find Doctor Who sounds too British sometimes! lol Better tell the actors to stop sounding so British, eh? Hah. There, I got the thread back on subject…
Re: Seventh Doctor – Ah, okay. I think you’ll also like ‘The Greatest Show in the Galaxy’; it starts off really random… but its a great serial. But I’m sure you’re already used to how odd the Seventh Doctor’s serials can be! Talking about him… I got a paisley tie today for my cosplay! It looks great with the sweater, yep!
5 March 2014 at 11:20 #26105@faegrl – ‘The Sun’s Gone Wibbly’, ‘This is Gallifrey’ and ‘I am the Doctor’ use the clock-like noise. I dunno, I just love time-pieces! Also steam-driven machines from the 1800s as well.
For Seventh Doctor soundtracks, I suggest checking out the music for ‘The Greatest Show in the Galaxy’, its so surreal/creepy/atmospheric… as is the serial!
Here’s what I’ve been listening to today;
I adore the beginning of this track! It worked so well in ‘Asylum of the Daleks’ because it actually suits the Daleks more than Amy and Rory at the beginning! In my opinion… lol! But yes, then it gets very pretty and not Dalek-esque. Hahahaha. If they had used something like the opening of this track, maybe mixed with the ‘Dalek Control Room’ radiophonic effect, for a theme for the Daleks… I would be happy.
5 March 2014 at 11:05 #26104@faegrl – Oh I myself am not bothered by the ‘nerd’ label… I refer to myself as a nerd sometimes. But saying that I am more used to American terms… to be honest… I wish I lived in the US.
The Seventh Doctor is very quotable! Have you got to the end of his first season yet? Because ‘Remembrance of the Daleks’ is the first serial in his second season, and its the end of that serial with him talking to Davros that always stood out to me. Oh and what the Doctor just tricked Davros into doing of course… but that’s spoilers.
@tomsscarf – Ah I actually really like ‘Paradise Towers’, its my favourite serial from his first season. But I’m one of those fans who doesn’t mind the silly stuff as well. But yes, ‘Remembrance’ is a brilliant serial, as is ‘Greatest Show’. I love the surreality to ‘Greatest Show’, and also the atmospheric soundtrack. I also suggest the Ace storyline arc of ‘Ghost Light’, ‘Curse of Fenric’ and ‘Survival’.
Re: Genesis – I agree that Wisher is the best Davros, I of course think Molloy was great as well. Again; I have to reevaluate the New Who episodes with Davros as I haven’t watched them since transmission.
4 March 2014 at 23:42 #26098I rewatched ‘Genesis of the Daleks’ today, haven’t watched it in years! I forgot just how scary Davros is in that serial, I think its the only serial where Davros has unnerved me a bit. But don’t quote me on that as I need to rewatch a couple others that I haven’t watched in years also. Absolutely brilliant serial, I highly recommend it to anyone who has not watched it yet!
I totally suggest this to be the next Fourth Doctor serial for the BG rewatches!
4 March 2014 at 20:21 #26095@tomsscarf – ‘Trial of a Time Lord’ has one of my favourite openings to any Doctor Who episode randomly. As its a season long I think its better to rate each story, I prefer some over others. I don’t find it boring however.
Anyhow, welcome to the forums!
4 March 2014 at 20:10 #26092@bluesqueakpip – Indeed! I’ll be happy to post my thoughts on it when we get to it, as its a Dalek/Davros episode I’ll have lots of comments. lol!
And thank you! The cosplay is a gradual process, but I do hope to have it completed within this year.
4 March 2014 at 16:04 #26090Well I have almost completed my quest to watch every Dalek episode ever made (sans the missing eps until they are found); I have watched all the existing Classic Series serials with Daleks, working on New Who now. Just watched ‘Victory of the Daleks’ for the first time… ummm, bit odd. Wasn’t sure what to make of it… and I don’t like the design of the new Daleks. Glad they had the usual design in ‘Asylum of the Daleks’ as well. (Yes, random viewing method again.) I mean they are one of the reasons I became a proper Whovian; I think I’ve mentioned my Dalek collection before. Hence why I’m a bit picky when it comes to the redesigns…
Okay… how many Dalek episodes does Matt Smith have? Because I think there might be just one more I need to watch, but I could be wrong about that.
You know what I want to watch? ‘The Stolen Earth/Journey’s End’, I haven’t watched it properly since transmission… I want to reevaluate it, because I recall Davros being basically a cameo (I wonder what Davros would think of those new Dalek casings? They kinda make the Daleks look fat.). But its not one we have on DVD and I haven’t noticed it on TV for ages. Such a bother. I remember going crazy when the Tenth regenerated into the Tenth… lol! I really thought we’d get another Doctor then. I dunno… oh dear… I’ve started to ramble on again…
4 March 2014 at 13:18 #26089@faegrl – I hadn’t listened to that track properly before, I really like it. Especially as it emphasizes more on the clock-like noise; I have an obsession for time-pieces (especially mechanical), so I like it when songs and music incorporated the sounds of clocks/watches etc.
As I posted my favourite Doctor’s theme, here’s my other favourite Doctor’s theme!
How very 80s. I always thought the Seventh Doctor’s intro was the weirdest intro for any Doctor… it uses the middle-eight… in the intro! Wha… what? Oh well, its cool! Also sorry its not the full theme, couldn’t find it.
4 March 2014 at 12:38 #26088@faegrl – No problem!
And yeah Doctor Who was cool in the 80s! (Replying to a previous comment of yours… non-linear replying I guess? Timey-wimey?) Okay a lot of folks didn’t think it was, especially over here in the UK… but I would just like to say… that the Seventh Doctor is awesome! Thank you! Now… off to find some music to post in the other thread, sorry about the wait… time and tide melts the snowman!
4 March 2014 at 03:33 #26083@faegrl – Vale Decem is such a sad song, I mean the Tenth Doctor isn’t one of my favourites or anything, but seriously that scene makes me want to cry.
I’ll post more vids later, its got a bit late here now.
4 March 2014 at 03:30 #26082@faegrl – I’ll EXTERMINATE! …ahem… I mean of course I’ll ELABORATE! This particular thread is about any discussion about Doctor Who that is more causal and off-topic from the specific Doctor Who threads. For anything else off-topic that does note relate to Doctor Who, that’s ‘The Rose and Crown’ thread.
Hence why the in-depth posts here were getting a bit too long for this thread.
3 March 2014 at 16:57 #26073@arbutus – Thank you for posting those 17th century pieces! The first one is so beautiful and haunting. Even though I like to research the 17th century every now and again, I haven’t visited the musical aspect of it before.
3 March 2014 at 16:28 #26069@arbutus – Thanks for that! Not sure why the other vid was region locked, very odd.
@faegrl @fatmaninabox – Okay…! Nothing can beat this;
The original Doctor Who theme, no other version has been better than this. Though I do like many other versions, especially the 80s themes. But this is the Doctor Who theme! So perfectly mysterious.
3 March 2014 at 15:12 #26063@Recky – He didn’t have a good time making it unfortunately. But he does sign stuff though; in fact I saw something he signed for somebody, where in brackets he put ‘The Doctor’… which I think is nice. Apparently he was thinking about being in the 50th anniversary, but wasn’t. I would of really liked both Eccleston and McGann to of been in the 50th. John Hurt of course was brilliant though.
@adt1957 – Re: Name of the Doctor – Not the best thread for that question, ‘On the Sofa’ would be better. But I am slightly confused as to what you mean… The Name of the Doctor’ is a single episode. Unless I’m completely out of the loop here, as I’ve said before… New Who is not my specialty.
3 March 2014 at 14:47 #26062@faegrl – Eep, sorry about that. 🙁
More Doctor Who music eh? Okay, lets see… I’m going to post something a bit different!
‘The Dawn of the Doctor’ by AktionMusic. Theme tune remix. I’ve got addicted to listening to this recently, its not like any other Doctor Who remix I’ve heard before.
3 March 2014 at 13:58 #26059@arbutus @faegrl – Topic Dalek knows of your acknowledgment of going off-topic yourselves, and hopes it shall be rectified without her intervening … for now. Ahahahahaha!
ANYHOW! Topic Dalek will have to slightly go off-topic here herself, but as its just a brief mention, its okay.
Re: 17th Century History – Arbutus that would be awesome! I’d be interested in hearing some of it. I really like learning about different aspects of the 17th century… I even get excited when they visit that century or there are characters from that century in Doctor Who! Aha, there you go… I kept it on topic… Topic Dalek is clever!
Re: Sound Effects – Indeed! I hope they begin to use more of the old radiophonics again in the new series, they do still use some of it… but not nearly as much as they should. Its such an iconic part of Doctor Who… we need radiophonics!
Re: Regeneration – I also agree that relationships change from incarnation to incarnation. I wonder if the Twelfth Doctor will consider River Song his wife? I actually doubt he will, she was the Eleventh’s wife. And besides, Matt Smith has made it known he doesn’t want her to be with Capaldi’s Doctor. Guess this aspect of it I could reference in my theory on Time Lord regeneration, if I ever write it up in a proper essay!
2 March 2014 at 19:55 #26038@confusedpolarity @arbutus – Re: ‘Batches’ – Interesting method, at least you then don’t have to pick just one favourite! Mine would be First Doctor, Seventh Doctor and Ninth Doctor for now, probably will change to Twelfth Doctor though.
2 March 2014 at 19:00 #26036@phaseshift @arbutus – I second ‘Genesis of the Daleks’ for Fourth Doctor.
Also a random suggestion, as I mentioned it elsewhere… what about a thread for discussion on the various Doctor Who monsters and villains?
2 March 2014 at 17:42 #26034@arbutus – New Who isn’t really my field of expertise, but I really just want to mention that I find ‘Dalek’ one of the best New Who episodes. I actually haven’t watched it in quite a while so can’t give a full analysis of the Ninth’s character in it… but from what I can remember… that episode was great. Though I might just more be focusing on the Dalek side of it at the moment… and this isn’t the thread to be discussing the Daleks. Hmmm… why isn’t there a thread to discuss the monsters and villains of Doctor Who…?
Perhaps thanks to these RTD rewatches, I’ll be able to talk about the Ninth Doctor more, but for now all I have to say is… he is currently my favourite New Who Doctor. Which I suppose is a bit odd as he isn’t really anything like the Old Who Doctors… and yet I prefer him over the Tenth and Eleventh? Huh… I need to watch more New Who and figure out why.
2 March 2014 at 16:18 #26031I guess this is the right thread… but, anyone else really like some of the sound effects used in Doctor Who? The full TARDIS take off for instance, is awesome, but was the entire track only used in the first episode? Anyone know?
Ah, the sound of space and time travel…
Annnnnnd ‘Dalek Control Room’, I’m glad they still use this radiophonic effect for Daleks in the new series. A recent episode (was it ‘Time’?) Had it playing as a Dalek saucer descended… sounded epic;
Its the typical noise that emits from Dalek machinery… and sometimes from Daleks themselves. It first was heard in the original Dalek story.
And lets not forget…. the cloister bell… the TARDIS warning system… such a haunting sound;
2 March 2014 at 15:47 #26028Dunno if any of you guys are into Classical, but this is my favourite (non-soundtrack) classical piece;
Holst’s ‘Jupiter’ from ‘The Planets’ Suite. Written between 1914 and 1916. It is kinda long, but thought I’d randomly post it.
2 March 2014 at 15:42 #26027@wolfweed – That’s really cool. The Seventh Doctor had the best key, definitely.
2 March 2014 at 15:26 #26025@faegrl – Because you posted that track… I have to post this track!
2 March 2014 at 14:53 #26022@Recky – I still haven’t watched that docudrama yet! Really want to watch it though… I just know I’m going to cry.
2 March 2014 at 14:51 #26021@faegrl – Re: Cosplay – Thank you! I keep wearing the sweater at the moment, I know its meant for my cosplay but its just too awesome to not wear normally.
Re: Nerdiness – The ‘its uncool to watch Doctor Who’ idea was in the late 80s in the UK, unfortunately when the Seventh Doctor’s run was on. I don’t think it was like that in the US however. Nowadays people are rewatching those serials and finding a lot of them to be good though. I’m considered a ‘nerd’, I have many fandoms; including Doctor Who, Disney (my specialty being the dark rides Haunted Mansion and Phantom Manor, I kinda research them lol!), video games, fantasy and sci-fi in general… I also am interested in 17th century history (both UK and US). Quite random.
@confusedpolarity – Ah I know a lot of folks do not like the question marks… but, I do. Well I am here wearing the question mark sweater while typing this after all. lol I too have found that the Doctors before my time are generally my favourites, I adore the 60s serials, the First Doctor being my favourite.
2 March 2014 at 01:38 #25993@bluesqueakpip – Nah, I think ‘Varos’ will be the Sixth Doctor episode we’re going to watch. And ‘Fenric’ for the Seventh Doctor.
2 March 2014 at 01:35 #25992@faegrl – Yeah its a really cool episode, glad you liked it. Ainley is my favourite Master; I really like Delgado too, and I know most prefer him, but Ainley is the Master I know the most… kinda like… ‘my Master’? The Daleks are my favourite alien/monster from Doctor Who as well.
So now you know what all the “of Rassilon” jokes are about.
1 March 2014 at 22:20 #25980@faegrl – That’s okay, I’m just curious as to what your opinions are once you’ve watched a few more Seventh Doctor serials. Did you get to watch ‘The Five Doctors’?
1 March 2014 at 20:49 #25969@bluesqueakpip – Oh I know, lol! And I adore him as Radagast as well. But just look at how cute he looks in that coat! Ahhhhhh!
I think both Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy have very different acting styles to one another, so I don’t know if its right to compare them. I like Colin Baker, I think he’s great as the Doctor. And McCoy is brilliant; I agree in his second and third seasons he was perfect… after all the Seventh Doctor is one of the two Doctors I consider ‘my Doctor’. I’m sorry, I couldn’t pick just one… it had to be the First and Seventh!
I could go on and on about the Seventh Doctor right now, but I think we’re still on the subject of the Sixth Doctor.
1 March 2014 at 20:18 #25965@arbutus – Thanks! lol Once I’ve finished the cosplay I’m hoping to use it for conventions, been buying a few more items for it today; including a paisley tie and some handkerchiefs… one for the pocket, the other for the hat band. My sister is also planning a Second Doctor cosplay.
Re: Donna – Best AG companion!
1 March 2014 at 20:07 #25964@arbutus – I agree that the coat was definitely a reflection on the Sixth Doctor’s personality, so I really wouldn’t want it changed; its part of his character. I’m glad there’s somebody else here who likes the Sixth Doctor as well, was a little concerned a while ago! lol Have to say the Seventh Doctor looks great in that coat as well;
And the Fifth Doctor was indeed a huge change personality wise from the Fourth Doctor, he’s much more reserved; its a shame its only at the end of his run as the Doctor did his personality begin to manifest itself properly. Perhaps sometimes folks are so attached to one Doctor… they do not accept the new Doctor for quite a while, its understandable I guess. Again, its treating them as if they are completely different people, when it reality, they all make up the character of the Doctor.
1 March 2014 at 17:02 #25946Oh, very well then! lol Some rewatches might be good anyhow; as its been quite a few years since I’ve watched some of them.
And randomly…
My hair is a mess so ignore that. I’ve got a lot more items to obtain for the cosplay, but do you folks like my sweater and hat? Yes, I’m female and I’m making a cosplay of the Seventh Doctor.
1 March 2014 at 16:51 #25943@bluesqueakpip – Righty-o. Just making sure…. is it going to be all of them or just some select episodes? I think I’ve watched most of his episodes, just a few remain… but a number of those I haven’t watched since transmission.
1 March 2014 at 16:45 #25940Oh annnnnnd I know I haven’t watched part 5 of Quatermass yet, sorry about that. I’ll get to watching both part 5 and 6 at some point, so I’m ready for the next Doctor Who rewatches. Are we only doing RTD episodes for AG?
1 March 2014 at 15:33 #25939@phaseshift – Awesome. I think ‘Curse of Fenric’ would be perfect, brilliant episode to discuss. I’m guessing we’d be watching it as transmitted rather than the movie version?
1 March 2014 at 15:18 #25938This is a continuation of the conversation that started on the Sofa.
@purofilion and @devilishrobby – I do watch a lot of Doctor Who, but I’m not near watching them all yet! Anyhow, yes I’m beginning to like my theory on the First Doctor; that he is principal starting point for all the Doctor’s personalities, and with each different regeneration certain traits either become recessive or are amplified. It does make it seem that they are all connected much more if you think of it like that. For if the Doctor had not become a Time Lord, he would of just been a regular Gallifreyan… there would be no regeneration. The First would be the only Doctor… but, you know, he’s a Time Lord… so there are many more versions of himself.
And yet it still seems that the various Doctor’s do often like to differentiate themselves from one another, but really this is quite normal, it has been said before that a human probably wouldn’t get along with themselves anyway. I wonder if the different incarnations feel the need to differentiate themselves from other Doctors… a sense of being yourself, that no one else is you. Just think of the Eleventh Doctor’s regeneration speech. They are the same Time Lord, and yet it is important to remember they are all unique… and none should be forgotten… I’m looking at you War Doctor! Its important to remember they are all the Doctor, part of this one character; connected… but also important to remember they are all individuals themselves too.
After all, some fans will have a much bigger emotional attachment to one incarnation… and not so much others; because they’re unique even though they are the same. And this is getting hard to explain… lol!
1 March 2014 at 15:02 #25936@phaseshift – I would prefer a chronological order; but its not a big deal really… whatever folks want first.
I think ‘The Time Meddler’ and ‘The Mind Robber’ would be perfect for Hartnell and Troughton. Not sure for Pertwee, T. Baker or Davison, but for C. Baker ‘Varos’ is the best bet, everyone seems to agree. For McCoy I originally suggested ‘The Greatest Show in the Galaxy’, but now I think maybe ‘The Curse of Fenric’?
1 March 2014 at 14:54 #25934@purofilion – I’ll respond to your more in-depth Doctor discussion in the other thread; but yes you may call me MD! And indeed I do sleep, but stay up quite a while usually… of course that does mean I get up pretty late most of the time. lol. I do apologize for waffling on and on in this thread!
Re: ‘My Doctor’ – Yes and it seems to differ from person to person of exactly what it means. I consider both the First and Seventh ‘my Doctor’… I dunno how many other folks consider two ‘their Doctor’… but there you go!
@devilishrobby – Again, I’ll respond properly in the other thread… but for now; I am a fair Topic Dalek, who herself right now feels quite silly for letting these posts get very long in this thread. Hah.
And yes, if all the Doctors were too similar… it would get very boring.1 March 2014 at 14:47 #25933@phaseshift – Ah yes my Topic Dalek-ness was actually beginning to think these conversations would be better suited to that thread. I’ll keep the posts here shorter and less in-depth now. I’ll respond to some of the other posts here in just a while.
Quick note – my Seventh Doctor jumper arrived today! I’m wearing it right now! Yay! Its awesome.
1 March 2014 at 02:48 #25904@purofilion Re: New Series relationships – Okay, okay… ‘obsession’ probably was an over-statement! Sorry, I guess I’m just a bit annoyed by it; but it happens with most series nowadays anyhow… there’s always a lot of emphasis on relationships. I guess I’m just a silly Classic Series fan, who wants the show to be more like the original… but that’s not going to happen. I get very sentimental about Old Who, and although I like the New Series as well, it won’t surpass the original for me. I know a lot of folks on here probably prefer New Who, and that’s fine, to each their own… I just hope people don’t mind me going on and on about the Classic Series, with theories and discussion… and rambling.
Re: Regeneration – Awww, thanks! lol I seem to theorize and discuss the Classic Series like most folks do with the New Series! But even I have yet to watch all the Classic episodes; its an ongoing quest.
And yes, some great points there; you contribution to the conversation is most welcome! I love discussing the Classic Doctors. Because every Doctor is different, its interesting to observe their emotions, reactions and attitude toward different aspects… and compare them to one another. Find out what the differences are, and the similarities. Each Doctor is unique, but all make up this one Time Lord… you cannot ignore one Doctor, because even if you’re not keen on that incarnation; he is still the Doctor. Apparently there is fans out there who don’t like to even take into consideration the Classic Series Doctors. But it all did start with the First Doctor, he is the original… and whenever he is with other incarnations… isn’t it interesting how he usually takes control of the situation? Or knows what to do? Oh I would like to know his opinions on all the other Doctors!
Also to @bluesqueakpip Re: Sixth Doctor – He does seem to get quite a bit of dislike which is a shame; I think its partly due to the fact it shocked people when he tried to strangle Peri, even though he was in his post-regeneration state, and felt bad about it afterwards… and the fact the series went on hiatus for a while… WHICH WAS NOT COLIN BAKER’S FAULT! Sorry, had to make that point! But yes another contributing factor is probably his attitude, he is a very egocentric and brash incarnation. But I quite like his personality, it was very different from the Fifth Doctor’s… but that’s to be expected! He’s a new incarnation… that and like I mentioned before; the regeneration was a bit ‘twitchy’. Also a mention to the scene where he kills Shockeye in ‘The Two Doctors’, it is a bit ‘un-Doctorish’.
But that being said… I’d like to say he still had the good traits of the Doctor, he was caring (check out his reaction in ‘Trial’ when he thinks Peri was killed), heroic (despite attitude sometimes) and bloody clever. And sometimes he could be quite sweet as well. I disagree that he had ‘no charm’; I will defend the Sixth Doctor… and his coat!
1 March 2014 at 00:18 #25896@faegrl – Doctor Who soundtracks! Yay!
1 March 2014 at 00:02 #25895@faegrl – Okay, just a warning! Best thing to remember is he’s just regenerated so is not in a proper frame of mind at the time. Just wondering; how much have you watched of the Seventh Doctor’s serials so far? Interested to know your opinions on his personality once you start watching his second season.
@missshannonkent – I actually hope Danny will be a love interest for Clara, as I am not keen on the obsession the New Series seems to have for Doctor/Companion romantic relationships. I hope they downplay the romantic aspect for the Doctor with Capaldi. I dunno… it just seems to take away some of the mystery of the character for me; they didn’t need it in the Old Series, they don’t need it now. In fact I don’t find any of the New Who Doctor’s anywhere as mysterious in character as the Classic Doctors were. Of course, just my opinion.
28 February 2014 at 18:04 #25878@arbutus – Well most incarnations do tend to have at least a small amount of disdain when in the presence of another; but with the Second and Third it is very clear they dislike each other. And the Sixth Doctor was quite an egocentric incarnation, so of course he’d view himself as better than his previous incarnation. But the Sixth Doctor is also rather interesting, the regeneration from Fifth to Sixth wasn’t quite right. After all the Fifth said; “Feels different this time…” just before he regenerated. The Sixth Doctor’s personality was a bit twitchy, as was his fashion sense… do I have to mention what happened to Peri during his post-regenerative state? @faegrl If you haven’t watched that scene yet, just a warning; it may affect you more than the rock scene!
But back on subject here; apparently the Fifth and Seventh don’t like each other much either, but its more to do with the Fifth disagreeing with the Seventh’s manipulative methods; they’re very different Doctors.
I would like to know exactly how much influence the Time Lord’s had on the Second to Third regeneration.
28 February 2014 at 14:34 #25868@bluesqueakpip – Oh there’s always some similarities, as they are the same Time Lord. But when comparing both the First and Second, there is a vast difference in character as well. As stated before, the Doctor has always had a manipulative side in all incarnations… the Seventh Doctor just had it as a dominating factor of his personality.
Re: Daleks – Oh good, then Topic Dalek can return to patrolling the threads! I’m on duty again. I wonder when we’ll see the Daleks exterminating people in the series? They seem to just miss nowadays.
28 February 2014 at 13:35 #25863@faegrl – I think I went off on a theorizing regeneration rant yesterday. lol! I find regeneration a very interesting concept, trying to understand it completely probably isn’t possible though. And no problem, its just one long episode, so not in parts; a special for the 20th anniversary.
Glad you like the Seventh Doctor; I’m completely in love with him. And the First Doctor is just brilliant, but they’re both my favourites, so obviously! Hahahaha.
Re: Daleks – Well I just used emergency temporal shift so I should be safe from the Grammar Dalek… unless Grammar Dalek uses emergency temporal shift as well… to the exact same place!
27 February 2014 at 21:05 #25850And for those who haven’t watched the Second Doctor’s regeneration, this is what I’m talking about;
I just feel so sorry for him, being forced to regenerate must be awful. Hmmm… I wonder if this is a contributing factor as to why the Second and Third Doctor’s don’t get along and often argue? Dunno, random theory. Who knows what a forced regeneration can do.
27 February 2014 at 20:55 #25849@arbutus – No problem, it was interesting! lol And I completely agree that the Doctor definitely changed during his First incarnation, I have stated before that Ian and Barbara are two of the most important companions the Doctor has ever had for this reason. If he had never met them, we would not have the Doctor we know today. The First was originally very alien, he cared little for humans; the rock scene is a good example… but there are others, such as when Barbara fell over when they were trying to escape, and the Doctor just ran straight past her. However if this had been in season 2 the Doctor would have definitely helped her up again. And the rock scene? There’s no way the First Doctor would contemplate doing something like that again. Because of his travels with Ian and Barbara, he became more ‘human’, and therefore began to care about their welfare and the Earth (as Earth does really seem to be the Doctor’s favourite planet now). Its interesting to wonder what the Doctor was like on Gallifrey, we only saw his original personality for a few serials before he became a much more caring character. If not for Ian and Barbara… then who knows.
Its a very interesting theory that what he wanted to be, a regeneration will take on; after all I do think he left Gallifrey partly because he wasn’t content there. But the reason for his leaving Gallifrey is still a mystery (and should remain so), but it is interesting to take into account what was added in ‘Remembrance’, he had the Hand of Omega… why, and how? Also the First Doctor did once contemplate going home, but then said that no, he couldn’t return… ah the mysteries of the Doctor!
So… lets see… what did his first regeneration become? Quite the opposite of his first incarnation! Very different indeed; a quite clownish, happy fellow… not very authoritative… only when he had to be. Full of whimsy, though not as brave as the First strangely enough; but a very caring man. However despite the sometimes silly nature of the Second Doctor, he usually had a plan, he knew what he was doing and he was highly intelligent like his predecessor. The fact that there is such a vast difference between the First and Second Doctors is why the regeneration actually worked to keep the series going, if he had been too similar to the First then it probably wouldn’t have worked as well as it did. This new Doctor; the same man but so very different, he is the Doctor as the First was; the first regeneration of the Doctor changed him a great deal. But what about when the Second was forced (very brutally might I add) to regenerate and exiled? The Time Lord’s picked his form that time… did they influence his personality too? How much did they interfere in that regeneration really? I wonder if it had more effect on him than we realize.
27 February 2014 at 19:42 #25844@arbutus – I do consider them the same person, but at the same time I don’t… its quite hard to explain. But as the first incarnation is not a regeneration… this means the First Doctor is who the Doctor actually is, if he had not become a Time Lord he would of just been a regular Gallifreyan. There would be no rewriting of personality. Surely this means all traits we have seen in every Doctor originally came from the First, but some are amplified, others become recessive. It does make me wonder though what the First Doctor was feeling before his regeneration, he knew it was going to happen… his first regeneration. The scene beforehand where he’s standing at the console while it moves by itself is, in my opinion, brilliantly filmed and acted… its so subtle, there’s no dialogue, no big regeneration speech and yet you can feel the emotion. He’s been travelling for so long as himself, but now things have to change… but as the Doctor once said; “It’s far from being all over…”
I’m getting sentimental now, its such a shame that scene is degraded. And why the heck can’t I find the FULL sequence? Everyone just seems to post the actual regeneration effect than the entire clip, which does actually exist. Would have posted a vid of it here otherwise.
27 February 2014 at 18:39 #25840Just watched all of ‘The Web of Fear’, brilliant 60s Who (Of course! The 60s was the best decade for Doctor Who). Very atmospheric as most of it is set in the London Underground, and the Great Intelligence is as creepy as ever. Though I really hope they one day find the rest of the first story with the Great Intelligence. At the end of ‘Web of Fear’ the Doctor was talking about probably having to face it again… unfortunately the series had to wait till Matt Smith was playing the Doctor before it made its return.
27 February 2014 at 18:30 #25839@arbutus – Oh of course their are traits that are the same or similar for each Doctor, he is after all the same Time Lord. But the fact remains that they are also very different, and when they meet they do seem like different people… because each incarnation is a different person, but they are all collectively the Doctor. Regeneration is a very odd thing indeed; its rewriting their personality as well as changing their appearance. Imagine what that must be like… the Fifth Doctor’s regeneration scene is one that stands out to me in this context;
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