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From the look of the Daleks being “presented” by what I assume is supposed to be the prime minister and the hugger-Dalek attacking Yaz there is a definite link to the previous Xmas special so a rewatching may be in order.

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Well it’s confirmed it’s New Year’s Day. It’s on Facebook with the trailer but I’m crap at posting links so I can’t post it

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@janetteb sorry I thought it was common knowledge that Bradley Walsh and probably Tocin Cole were leaving the series. I seem to remember I saw somewhere Bradley was leaving because his commitments to his game show hosting was making committing to doctor who problematical and as I think he actually owns the Chase Uk production company I suppose his commitments to that are his priority. Tocin I’m not sure why he’s leaving unless it’s a case they felt without Bradley playing Graham his role wouldn’t work, personally I can’t believe that would be the case yes his presence as a companion was initially linked to his relationship to Graham but I thought his interaction and relationship with Yaz and the Doctor had developed to the point where Graham’s presence would no longer be critical. As to Yaz continuing as a solo companion we will have to see. Given that all three of the current companions started with Jodies arrival as the Doctor it will probably feel strange though I do feel Yaz is a strong enough personality to support the Doctor as a solo companion though I’ve felt that the Doctor does work well with multiple companions be they human or other.

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@mudlark I knew it was actually in the can so to speak with all the principle filming and re-shoots done last year as from what I understood it was principally filmed back to back with season 12. The point I was actually trying to make possibly badly was that usually by this point the Beeb has given us a firm date as to when the Xmas Who will be on our screens. Given the un-Christmassy nature of this years episode from the little I’ve read , much like last years special I’m expecting it will be screened New Year’s Day. On a side note I’m also wondering if it will be a longer than normal episode especially if we are actually losing two of the companions.

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Hmm ok don’t know if it’s already been said but I have to get this out my system. The episode is called Revolution of the Daleks…. well we already know the the Daleks are revolting 🤢 sorry it just had to be said. I wonder why the Beeb still hasn’t committed to an actual schedule time we know the new series isn’t going to be until later in 2021 could it be that some of the shows for the Xmas schedule are not yet complete and they are still keeping their options open.

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@blenkinsopthebrave having just read the article in question it implies the author actually questions the authenticity of the rumour and if “true” it may only be for a specific storyline. Ok Chibbers has admittedly walked over Whoverse history but is it not what previous show runners have done both BG and AG the Cartmel Plan comes to mind though my understanding it was also part of the reason the show was cancelled. Also I seem to remember they have on the odd occasion “tried” to fix the chameleon circuit(LOGOPOLIS story) so if a storyline involves the temporal fixing of the tardises chameleon circuit its not totally unreasonable, in fact I seem to remember in the Baker years there was a season  or a series of stories where they traveled without the tardis.

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@bluesqueakpip oh good I though thought I was going to majorly upset ppl with my defence of Chibnall in this case though I do have to say I haven’t always been as enamoured with his Who style but in the case of the Timeless Child I think he managed to stitch together something that has bought together some  story strands that have been hanging there for decades in some cases, when you look back at it he is obviously a fan of elements of the  Cartmel Plan. As you say bluesqueakpip it’s opened a new world of possibilities regarding future stories and possibilities to franchise the series. In fact looking at it Big Finish must have been rubbing their hands in glee at the possibilities it presents them. Obviously given current world events we are probably going to have a bit of a wait for any new who but what series hasn’t been affected one wonders how current events are going to reflected in the new series.

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There were hints that the Doctor was more that your usual TimeLord back into the BG era, especially in McCoy era, there were hints that the Doctor was a lot more right through his tenure especially the enemies he faced now admittedly I think his storylines were part of the Cartmel Plan which is something I have little actual knowledge but I think it actually mirrored the Timeless Child in a lot of respects. Those more familiar with the Cartmel plan can jump in and correct me  but I think that again made out that the Doctor was actually an ancient immortal timelord on a par with Rassilon, so to say Chibers has drastically changed canon is true it’s not outside of the evolving nature of Whoverse in fact is that part of what Doctor Who has been about. The fact that the Doctor is The Timeless Child actually explains how the Timelords were able to grant a new regeneration cycle in Day of the Doctor…. they didn’t they just didn’t get a chance to wipe the Doctors memory of the previous 12 life  cycle as in the past and the Doctor just assumed that they had somehow granted him with the new cycle when he regenerated into Capaldidoc. Change is natural law and in TV land change is even more so a natural law programs that don’t evolve don’t survive in the long term.

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Ah see you have already had Miss Hadiza reported to you

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Ok I’m coming late to the party so to speak, and haven’t read every post here so I apologise if I end up repeating anyone’s theories or thoughts.

So 1st off generally I enjoyed the finale and unlike some diehard who fans who have watched the show both BG and AG I have no problem with there being a rewrite of Gallifeyan history though the episode did leave me thinking wtf at times in confusion. The fact that the Time lord history is not what everyone thinks it is can only open up more opportunities to explore the Doctors past it’s not as if other tv shows haven’t done this before to suit a changing audience so why not Who. Though finding that the Doctor is the Progenitor of the Timelord race is a bit mind blowing. Personally I’ve always had the feeling that there was more to the Doctors history right back to the BG series’s especially in the McCoyDoc tenure there were hints that the Doctor was more than just a normal Timelord. Also why is it the Doctor that seems to turn up at pivotal events could it be given what we now know of his/her history and not being a true Gallifreyan that the Doctor is in fact one of the Eternal Beings that have popped up from time to time like the black and white guardians, maybe she/he is the universal fixer of problems ah well that’s a question for another time. Also from the way the episode ended this is the end of the current Doctor fam, if so I am disappointed that they weren’t given a better send off. It felt a bit like Chibbers was saying right we don’t need you anymore here’s your P45 now sod off there wasn’t a real send off though given how Jodiedoc seems to have had a more drop in and out of their lives relationship with Yaz, Graham and Ryan so I suppose it’s possible she will just reappear in their lives a the beginning of next season.

 

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@craig is there a way of unfollowing a thread if not I wish there were not that I don’t enjoy reading the threads it just my email inbox would appreciate it lol. (Lol when will I learn not to tick the notify me of follow up replies on the episode threads)

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@jomomentor the Doctor has already met an ancient captain Jack remember he was the Face of Bo

 

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@juniperfish I’m not convinced this was an alternate timeline Doctor.

Given we now know Timelords can have more than 1 set of regenerations, I.e. Mattdoc being ‘granted’ a new cycle to become Capdoc. I am now on wondering if all timelords have had any number regeneration cycles but under normal circumstances their memory of previous cycles wiped  at the beginning  of a cycle except for perhaps for a small cabal of timelords who are controlling Galifreyan Society from the shadows so to speak, and it was this that the master had found out when he said everything the Doctor knew was a lie. In a way this would tie in with how Timelords were portrayed in the BG Who as a mysterious controlling race that the Doctor mistrusted in the main.

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Omg OMG talk about mind twisting and well Chibnall is obviously rewriting timelord history will have to watch again to try to get my mind around it all, but have to say best episode of JW Doctorhood yet

All I can say is let the Bonkerising begin

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@miapatrick maybe they are. The Doctor admits she and the Master are very old friends who went in divergent paths. In fact as revealed in the BG story The 5 Doctors the early timelords were evil and cruel enough to create the death zone as gladiatorial form of entertainment so twisted individuals like the master are not unknown to the timelord race.

Sort of based on what the Master said about the Timelord founding fathers and their lying to them and something about the timeless child, and also the fact that we now know a timelord may have more than one set of regenerations. I wonder if this really  is the Doctors second set of regenerations but she does not remember as yet. Not sure if it’s cannon to current Whoverse but I remember reading somewhere that early timelords had unlimited regenerations could in fact the Doctor be one of these early “ immortal” timelords and just not remember.

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Well that sets the story arc for this series does one thinks.

Does this re-open the door to the theories that the Doctor is not what we have always thought or for that matter perhaps what she has always thought. It makes you wonder how one time lord could be so pivotal in so many events and what big bad could have sent the Master off on one to have essentially destroyed his his own race if that’s what has happened. We still don’t have an answer as to where this Master lies in his personal timeline but no doubt we we will meet him again. Actually liked the episode even though it didn’t answer all that it started , why were the dimensional spy’s spying in the first place is this a foreboding of a greater invasion etc

 

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Oh my oh my just had a bit of a bonkers moment thinking back on the Masters statement and I want to just throw this out for consideration: what if Missy was not the Master at all but a Timelord imposter and knew both the Doctor and the Master well enough to fool them perhaps even the Rani playing some sick game……. nah they wouldn’t have done that would they

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@miapatrick that was why good was in “”. Yes she was nicer to the Doctor towards the end and yes she did eventually side with the Doctor at the end, but as you indicated it was in a very amoralistic and practical manner to the point it was difficult to see a difference between “good”Missy and evil Missy at times. The core self-centred egotistical character remained which has always been part of the core identity of the master.

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Having read most but probably not all the posts I think I’ve collected some thoughts inspired by them.

1. I think there is a good possibility that this is a Master from between Sims and Missy hell there could be more than one Master/Missy out there between them.

2. I agree I don’t think they are repeating the Doomsday cyberman infiltration it would be piss poor writing from Chibbers to repeat a trop from another writer and although I’ve not been his greatest fan I think he’s too good a writer to do that. Personally I think these dimension hoping infiltrators are a new race.

3. Could where the Doctor has landed be a prototype for Missy’s later attempt to create her Matrix like heaven, if so this could be more evidence for this Master being between Sims and Missy remember Missy the first time we saw her was more like the archetypal Master it was only later she became more “good” if she ever was

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Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but was it me or did the doctor seem to know where she had been transported to as soon as she saw it

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Lol I have the same dilemma, though to be fair there was a point about half way through where I thought where the hell is this going. There are clues there as  I did partially twig to the big reveal just not the identity of the foe until just before it was revealed.

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And let’s just say they managed to keep that bloody quiet

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Omg omg omg talk about fakeout is right. But I ain’t spilling the beans just yet to let those who haven’t had their chance to watch the episode  a chance to catch up

 

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Ah sorry was only really aware of the motor coordination element from working with clients with Learning Difficuties and brain damage as it’s quite common problem

 

 

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@janetteb I’m sad to hear you’re prone to falling over or do you mean you have dyslexia which is a problem with reading and writing which in no way means you’re stupid just that your brain interprets what it sees and how to write it differently. In fact some of the smartest ppl in the world have had dyslexia.

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Given last series’s proclivity to have real life historical characters I wonder if Fry will be playing an Oscar Wilde like character

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Lol and hopefully they will give us the series start date too though given the BeeBs usual trailer policy  all it will say is coming soon

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Darn it what a disappointment was hoping for something more on the Children in Need from the Who team. But on the other hand what a thrill for the young super fan to meet her idol and getting her own sonic screwdriver

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Hmmm it actually looks a bit like a giant spider has died and it’s legs are curling in around the Center console 😉

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Just been watching an advert for the BBC Children in Need on Friday it appears there’s going to be a Doctor Who segment if past years are any indication there may be news released on the new series or even maybe even a preview of some kind.

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@bluesqueakpip one can hold out hope for news of an Xmas or New Years  special as it’s odd there’s been no real news on the BeeBs Christmas schedule maybe  just maybe they’re waiting to release the news especially as a special over the festive season has become somewhat of a tradition. Though one would have expected some slippage from the good old US networks if it’s true, as I said one can only hope also it’s not as if Chibbers has held to all Who traditions.

 

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Hmmm I think alicefran thinks this is a dating site

 

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The only problem is that you need a Now TV or ROKU device so is not strictly speaking free

 

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Same here to be honest I generally just ignore thes sick SOBs and delete the messages

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@pedant @kevinwho like you Kevin I too thought this must be a US only trailer as I’ve not seen this new trailer in the uk so I suspect it’s only just started broadcasting. But I wonder if this is because of the US trailer. Oh @pedant if that is only true it would be wonderful if the BeeB had released a trailer with the intention to mislead us or even its an enemy that even the Daleks have been forced to side with the Doctor its not like that hasn’t happened before🤔😜

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Trust the bloody yanks to spoil the suspense. Yes there is a general consensus that from the uk trailers info that it is probably the Daleks that are the big bad of the episode but at least the uk trailer so far had left for it to be a surprise and end up being something else. One has to hope that whoever authorised the BBC America trailer will get a royal ass kicking. I personally hoped it would end up being something else either a new monster  say dredged up from the deep dark past of the universe or one from earlier Who like the Dominators. At least prior to this the fans could at least bonkerise in hope.

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@thane16 you don’t know who the quark’s were oh dear oh dear now I do really feel old. You have to go way back to the Troughton era to revisit them. Fortunately I am not quite old enough to have seen the original airing of the story but do remember a rerun the Beeb did though on BBC 2  in the Dominators story

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@nerys I’m not advocating the reuse of one of the usual suspect  in fact I could quite happily not see the Daleks or Cybermen for a while. What I was saying is by Chibanall’s apparent eschewing of all past monster he’s possibly missing the chance to reintroduce us to some of the doctors lesser known foes perhaps to even to reinvent that foe into something that has more relevance today. I don’t disagree  with introducing new monsters and let’s be honest some of the Doctors best “monsters” have been those that haven’t necessarily start out as a monster but are victims of the situation they find themeselves in. I can understand your husbandinthatrespect as I too am a child of pre-gap who.

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@craig is there any way there could be a method to be notifiedor follow a specific topic without actually posting first,like the notify me of follow up replies is emails, as I often like to follow a conversation thread before putting my own two penny’s worth into the discussion. May be something like the Facebook follow button for any given topic.

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Have to say Chibnall’s insistence on “not” using old monsters or enemies is a bit of a backfire in my own opinion. Yes introduce new “villains” but not using past monsters is totally stupid as it’s like trying to ignore Who lore the Doc has been around that long he/she is bound to bump into old enemies/frenimies at some point. There have been times the past  where overuse of old favourites  has appeared to be a bit like let’s get this seasons appearance the Daleks or the Cybermen in, but that’s in part because the fans love these characters. It’s not as if there isn’t a plethora of other rogues and villains for Chibnall to pick from in Who lore.

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Lol finally we get to bonkerise that is until another trailer comes along that reveals too much or some idiot insider let’s slip a spoiler 🤪🤣😜😝

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@craig thank you it was probably because I need to edit it twice when I spotted one of the dreaded autocorrect mistakes when reading it through for the second time

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Eek what happened to my last post it appears to have disappeared into space time continuum when I tried to edit a couple of typing and autocorrect errors

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I’m happy to see Jodie is talking  about the next series as in my opinion  I think it always takes the actor playing the new Doctor  at least the first season to bed in the new Docs character also the fans also need time to get used to the changes in what may be a favored portrayal . Given the historic gender change  in the Doctor I would say this is more so this season for Jodie and the fans. Also given the way Eccleston was criticised for only doing one season, though I was under the impression that the Beeb were aware this was likely that he would only do one from the outset(others with greater knowledge may know better), I think it would have set back using female actors for incarnations in the future. As to the criticism of Jodie’s portrayal by some of the less enlightened fans shall we say, well my answer of course she’s  not Hartnell,  Troughton,  Baker et al.  Just as Jodie wouldn’t portray a grumpy old man or brash young/old man or any of the other character traits actors have bought to the role, non of the male actors would have portrayed the Doctor in a feminine way it just wouldn’t have worked. The Doctor is going to be different from anything that has come  before simply because she can now bring character traits that are in most ways a female perspective on how  a Doctor would act. I realise this is likely to be considered  the wrong place for this discussion but some of the prior comments in part have crystallised some of my feelings as I’ve watched this Jodie’s first season. I’ve sometimes thought hmm this is not exactly the Who I grew up with,  (being a TomBakerite as a youngster and avidly watching reruns of earlier Who when they were shown by the BeeB) I have  been happy to watch Jodie’s development in the role. Now I know in part the portrayal of the Doctor is being dictated by Chris Chibnal ( I hope I spelt  it right) as the the show runner, in part I think I would have loved to see where SM would have taken the role but also appreciate this way CC has started with a blank slate so to speak. Well thanks for bearing with me on my rambling fashion. 😈

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Just read in today’s Metro that the 1967 Troughton doc story The Macra Terror is to be rereleased as a DVD it being being redone as animation with the original audio recordings to be released next March. Surprised not heard about this before now via the official BBC site

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I loved this episode and felt that JW was continuing to cement herself into the role as the Doctor. I felt that this episode was essentially a continuation of the introduction of the new Doctor and the new companions.

As for the Stenza, I am not 100% convinced yet that they are a part of any underlying arc though I am not ruling that out yet. I don’t know why but there was a fleeting moment when Bradley Walsh’s character was rubbing his chest or abdomen that made me think he’s only signed up for one series and given that Graham is supposed to be a cancer survivor I couldn’t quite shake the feeling they were setting up an out for him, especially given B W’s workload on his quiz show does not appear to have been effected.

As for the new TARDIS interior I felt we haven’t really seen enough to make a proper judgement on it, though I did like what I saw . If memory serves me all the post AG Tardis interiors have been very organic or steampunky and pre gap the interiors and control panels were more technical and scientific so it’s not surprising they’ve continued in the same vein.

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Hmmm, I see she’s going with a northern accent lol so reinforcing the notion of the Doctor comes from the Gallifreyan “ North” . Is the background music the actual music for the series, it seems more in keeping with past MG style music and not as pop culture orientated that the Beebs British trailers have been indicating. I think I actually prefer the Auzzie version as you can concentrate on the action and what is said better.

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I had the opurtunity to watch the teaser again but on the TV today rather than on YouTube. For some reason the music didn’t seem quite so jarring for some reason, weather it was the volume seemed lower or I was seeing it on a bigger screen it seemed better.

 

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@blenkinsopthebrave hmm have we been spoiled by the magnificent Murray Gold’s most excellent musical renditions over the years or is it I’m getting to be an old fuddy-duddy but I agree I hope that teasers music is not going to be the musical tone of Jodie’s tenure as the Doctor don’t get me wrong modern music can be appropriate but the key word is where appropriate.

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Hmmm I had wondered if they were going to go for the 20th or 21st October it being the weekend just before Dr Who’s anniversary on the 23rd and it being almost a relaunch of who with Jodie and Chibbers taking over. Of course if they wanted to go the whole hog so to speak they could have gone for the Tuesday as a one off then settled to whatever day it’s going to be broadcast ( just my own wild theory).

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