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Oh my Giddy aunt they’ve replaced Jodie with……. Gordon Ramsay  ( don’t panic not really) just turned the telly on and his new TV game show the set looks like a Tardis control room at first glance lol. 🤣😂🤣😂 the Doctor does a game show 🤪🤪🤩🤩🤪🤪

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Had a sudden thought isn’t Resolution of the Daleks available as a DVD/Blu-ray. Was promoted by my browsing of a certain famous internet shopping site and Revolution popped up as available so won’t looking and it’s available here in the Uk. This would surly solve your streaming problem 🤣😂😅

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Hi all, with the copious amount of time that this darn virus has foisted on us ( as a shielder) and having become a a bit of an audiobook addict of both the narrated /full cast types I was wondering who is also an audiobook addict especially of the Who kind and where you find the best value audiobooks. I’m already an Audible subscriber and have investigated Big Finish. In the latter’ s case I’m a bit disappointed in their so called subscription option unless I’m reading their service wrong it’s not really a subscription it’s more you agree to buy so many  books and pay for the privalige. At least with the Audible subscription I’m paying a fixed amount for x number of tiles a month irrespective of their price.

 

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the extra tardis was from the destroyed Gallifrey the Doctor sent the fam and co to Earths 21st century towards the end of the season finale being a fully functional Tardis it has the functioning Chameleon Circuit hence its masquerading as a suburban house . I’m not sure if it’s supposed to be a Battle Tardis and hence the Doc’s ability to collapse it or if this is a fail safe option of all Tardises .  To me it would make more sense if this is a Battle Tardis otherwise why haven’t we seen or heard of this before.

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If as I suspect the original pre-COVID plan was for the next series was to start on the back of the special like last season, they possibly felt a two parter was not necessarily needed. Now given the gap being forced on them due to suspension in production due to the COVID lockdowns in retrospective hindsight a two parter would have been ideal but they probably didn’t have enough in the can material to do that. My understanding is that all filming for the Revolution was completed before the 1st lockdown occurred. Still even so I think there would still have been an argument for them to have done it as a 2 parter for as you said it’s been left that they have an episode where parts feel a bit rushed and overly compressed. Given the way the last series ended with the Doctor’s incarceration  an explanation of why the Doctor was being jailed and more detail on escape would have been nice (hell it could have been an episode in itself) for example how did Capt. Jack know where the Doctor was in the first place for example. Don’t get me wrong I enjoyed the Special it’s just that I feel it could have been better.

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@bluesqueakpip there has always been hints that the Doctor is a timelord like no other even in the BG era. This seems to be  more so in so in the Cartmel Plan period and certainly in the unfortunately shortened McCoy tenure and also in the officially sanctioned books of the gap years also his knowledge of and association with major Celestial beings like the White and Black Gardians. Now  I’m not saying that  this was always supposed to be a secret part of the doctors history, but given the mystery of the Doctor in the past and the way the Doctor almost has seemed to go beyond timelord norm in his/her actions I wonder if this is where Chibnal has got his ideas for the timeless child thread. I’ve not always been happy with how Chibbers has taken the Doctor the past 2 seasons but that is part and parcel  of any long running series who’s director/producer/cast periodically changes there will be time some of us don’t like the changes all I can say is in the main I have always enjoyed the show with only a few disappointments. Personally I was quite thrilled with the idea that the Doctor is actually some kind of primal or Uber timelord if you will it almost gives him/her a moral high ground given the actions of some of the timelords in the past, also it crossed my mind what if it also turns out the Master ends up also being the the same as the Doctor but being his/her antithesis. It seems odd that both the Doctor and the Master have “Named” themselves with a descriptive rather than a name like most other Timelord’s.

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Well I think I may have been a little hasty with my initial and admittedly knee jerk reaction to the episode, it was  overall enjoyable. I still feel more could have been made of the Doctors escape, but I now feel that Chibnal was trying to cram too much into one episode admittedly a longer episode. He’s 1. trying to explain how the Doctor gets out of prison, 2. Rebuilding the Doctors sense of self after the events of the last series finale 3. Doing an exit story for Ryan and Graham and all the while building it into one integrated episode. I wonder if it would have been better  as a 2 part Xmas and new year special as with Tennant’s departure. This is probably a comment fuelled by hindsight of the current world situation as I believe the special was essentially filming wise  finished before COVID  reared it’s ugly head and that is what has almost certainly pushed the main series release  to the autumn instead of what would probably been early this year due to the filming shutdown due to COVID. A two episode Xmas/new year special would have given Chibnal more scope to explore the different aspect that were being covered (this could also just be greed on my part😝).

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Well that was and wasn’t what I was expecting, felt like a bit like a glorified overlong goodbye episode which it was, I suppose the news of Walsh’s and Tosin’s departure being leaked months ago probably has exaggerated this. The Doctor’s solution to the Dalek situation felt a bit trite and the Doctor’s escape from pokey also felt like a missed opportunity. There is so much more that could have been done with her time in prison. I’m not saying I didn’t enjoy it but I think I’m going to need time to process the episode and perhaps some rewatches 🤨

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Don’t know if anyone has read the RadioTimes Doctor who special features but in its interview with Jodie it’s practically confirmed without actually confirming (hope that makes sense)  that Bradley and Tocin are leaving as it talks about her filming her last  scenes with them and how sad she was when she realised this.

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Well here in good old Blighty we finally have a time as well as a date for this years Doctor Who Special New Years Day at 6:45pm

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From the look of the Daleks being “presented” by what I assume is supposed to be the prime minister and the hugger-Dalek attacking Yaz there is a definite link to the previous Xmas special so a rewatching may be in order.

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Well it’s confirmed it’s New Year’s Day. It’s on Facebook with the trailer but I’m crap at posting links so I can’t post it

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@janetteb sorry I thought it was common knowledge that Bradley Walsh and probably Tocin Cole were leaving the series. I seem to remember I saw somewhere Bradley was leaving because his commitments to his game show hosting was making committing to doctor who problematical and as I think he actually owns the Chase Uk production company I suppose his commitments to that are his priority. Tocin I’m not sure why he’s leaving unless it’s a case they felt without Bradley playing Graham his role wouldn’t work, personally I can’t believe that would be the case yes his presence as a companion was initially linked to his relationship to Graham but I thought his interaction and relationship with Yaz and the Doctor had developed to the point where Graham’s presence would no longer be critical. As to Yaz continuing as a solo companion we will have to see. Given that all three of the current companions started with Jodies arrival as the Doctor it will probably feel strange though I do feel Yaz is a strong enough personality to support the Doctor as a solo companion though I’ve felt that the Doctor does work well with multiple companions be they human or other.

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@mudlark I knew it was actually in the can so to speak with all the principle filming and re-shoots done last year as from what I understood it was principally filmed back to back with season 12. The point I was actually trying to make possibly badly was that usually by this point the Beeb has given us a firm date as to when the Xmas Who will be on our screens. Given the un-Christmassy nature of this years episode from the little I’ve read , much like last years special I’m expecting it will be screened New Year’s Day. On a side note I’m also wondering if it will be a longer than normal episode especially if we are actually losing two of the companions.

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Hmm ok don’t know if it’s already been said but I have to get this out my system. The episode is called Revolution of the Daleks…. well we already know the the Daleks are revolting 🤢 sorry it just had to be said. I wonder why the Beeb still hasn’t committed to an actual schedule time we know the new series isn’t going to be until later in 2021 could it be that some of the shows for the Xmas schedule are not yet complete and they are still keeping their options open.

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@blenkinsopthebrave having just read the article in question it implies the author actually questions the authenticity of the rumour and if “true” it may only be for a specific storyline. Ok Chibbers has admittedly walked over Whoverse history but is it not what previous show runners have done both BG and AG the Cartmel Plan comes to mind though my understanding it was also part of the reason the show was cancelled. Also I seem to remember they have on the odd occasion “tried” to fix the chameleon circuit(LOGOPOLIS story) so if a storyline involves the temporal fixing of the tardises chameleon circuit its not totally unreasonable, in fact I seem to remember in the Baker years there was a season  or a series of stories where they traveled without the tardis.

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@bluesqueakpip oh good I though thought I was going to majorly upset ppl with my defence of Chibnall in this case though I do have to say I haven’t always been as enamoured with his Who style but in the case of the Timeless Child I think he managed to stitch together something that has bought together some  story strands that have been hanging there for decades in some cases, when you look back at it he is obviously a fan of elements of the  Cartmel Plan. As you say bluesqueakpip it’s opened a new world of possibilities regarding future stories and possibilities to franchise the series. In fact looking at it Big Finish must have been rubbing their hands in glee at the possibilities it presents them. Obviously given current world events we are probably going to have a bit of a wait for any new who but what series hasn’t been affected one wonders how current events are going to reflected in the new series.

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There were hints that the Doctor was more that your usual TimeLord back into the BG era, especially in McCoy era, there were hints that the Doctor was a lot more right through his tenure especially the enemies he faced now admittedly I think his storylines were part of the Cartmel Plan which is something I have little actual knowledge but I think it actually mirrored the Timeless Child in a lot of respects. Those more familiar with the Cartmel plan can jump in and correct me  but I think that again made out that the Doctor was actually an ancient immortal timelord on a par with Rassilon, so to say Chibers has drastically changed canon is true it’s not outside of the evolving nature of Whoverse in fact is that part of what Doctor Who has been about. The fact that the Doctor is The Timeless Child actually explains how the Timelords were able to grant a new regeneration cycle in Day of the Doctor…. they didn’t they just didn’t get a chance to wipe the Doctors memory of the previous 12 life  cycle as in the past and the Doctor just assumed that they had somehow granted him with the new cycle when he regenerated into Capaldidoc. Change is natural law and in TV land change is even more so a natural law programs that don’t evolve don’t survive in the long term.

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Ah see you have already had Miss Hadiza reported to you

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Ok I’m coming late to the party so to speak, and haven’t read every post here so I apologise if I end up repeating anyone’s theories or thoughts.

So 1st off generally I enjoyed the finale and unlike some diehard who fans who have watched the show both BG and AG I have no problem with there being a rewrite of Gallifeyan history though the episode did leave me thinking wtf at times in confusion. The fact that the Time lord history is not what everyone thinks it is can only open up more opportunities to explore the Doctors past it’s not as if other tv shows haven’t done this before to suit a changing audience so why not Who. Though finding that the Doctor is the Progenitor of the Timelord race is a bit mind blowing. Personally I’ve always had the feeling that there was more to the Doctors history right back to the BG series’s especially in the McCoyDoc tenure there were hints that the Doctor was more than just a normal Timelord. Also why is it the Doctor that seems to turn up at pivotal events could it be given what we now know of his/her history and not being a true Gallifreyan that the Doctor is in fact one of the Eternal Beings that have popped up from time to time like the black and white guardians, maybe she/he is the universal fixer of problems ah well that’s a question for another time. Also from the way the episode ended this is the end of the current Doctor fam, if so I am disappointed that they weren’t given a better send off. It felt a bit like Chibbers was saying right we don’t need you anymore here’s your P45 now sod off there wasn’t a real send off though given how Jodiedoc seems to have had a more drop in and out of their lives relationship with Yaz, Graham and Ryan so I suppose it’s possible she will just reappear in their lives a the beginning of next season.

 

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@craig is there a way of unfollowing a thread if not I wish there were not that I don’t enjoy reading the threads it just my email inbox would appreciate it lol. (Lol when will I learn not to tick the notify me of follow up replies on the episode threads)

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@jomomentor the Doctor has already met an ancient captain Jack remember he was the Face of Bo

 

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@juniperfish I’m not convinced this was an alternate timeline Doctor.

Given we now know Timelords can have more than 1 set of regenerations, I.e. Mattdoc being ‘granted’ a new cycle to become Capdoc. I am now on wondering if all timelords have had any number regeneration cycles but under normal circumstances their memory of previous cycles wiped  at the beginning  of a cycle except for perhaps for a small cabal of timelords who are controlling Galifreyan Society from the shadows so to speak, and it was this that the master had found out when he said everything the Doctor knew was a lie. In a way this would tie in with how Timelords were portrayed in the BG Who as a mysterious controlling race that the Doctor mistrusted in the main.

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Omg OMG talk about mind twisting and well Chibnall is obviously rewriting timelord history will have to watch again to try to get my mind around it all, but have to say best episode of JW Doctorhood yet

All I can say is let the Bonkerising begin

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@miapatrick maybe they are. The Doctor admits she and the Master are very old friends who went in divergent paths. In fact as revealed in the BG story The 5 Doctors the early timelords were evil and cruel enough to create the death zone as gladiatorial form of entertainment so twisted individuals like the master are not unknown to the timelord race.

Sort of based on what the Master said about the Timelord founding fathers and their lying to them and something about the timeless child, and also the fact that we now know a timelord may have more than one set of regenerations. I wonder if this really  is the Doctors second set of regenerations but she does not remember as yet. Not sure if it’s cannon to current Whoverse but I remember reading somewhere that early timelords had unlimited regenerations could in fact the Doctor be one of these early “ immortal” timelords and just not remember.

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Well that sets the story arc for this series does one thinks.

Does this re-open the door to the theories that the Doctor is not what we have always thought or for that matter perhaps what she has always thought. It makes you wonder how one time lord could be so pivotal in so many events and what big bad could have sent the Master off on one to have essentially destroyed his his own race if that’s what has happened. We still don’t have an answer as to where this Master lies in his personal timeline but no doubt we we will meet him again. Actually liked the episode even though it didn’t answer all that it started , why were the dimensional spy’s spying in the first place is this a foreboding of a greater invasion etc

 

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Oh my oh my just had a bit of a bonkers moment thinking back on the Masters statement and I want to just throw this out for consideration: what if Missy was not the Master at all but a Timelord imposter and knew both the Doctor and the Master well enough to fool them perhaps even the Rani playing some sick game……. nah they wouldn’t have done that would they

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@miapatrick that was why good was in “”. Yes she was nicer to the Doctor towards the end and yes she did eventually side with the Doctor at the end, but as you indicated it was in a very amoralistic and practical manner to the point it was difficult to see a difference between “good”Missy and evil Missy at times. The core self-centred egotistical character remained which has always been part of the core identity of the master.

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Having read most but probably not all the posts I think I’ve collected some thoughts inspired by them.

1. I think there is a good possibility that this is a Master from between Sims and Missy hell there could be more than one Master/Missy out there between them.

2. I agree I don’t think they are repeating the Doomsday cyberman infiltration it would be piss poor writing from Chibbers to repeat a trop from another writer and although I’ve not been his greatest fan I think he’s too good a writer to do that. Personally I think these dimension hoping infiltrators are a new race.

3. Could where the Doctor has landed be a prototype for Missy’s later attempt to create her Matrix like heaven, if so this could be more evidence for this Master being between Sims and Missy remember Missy the first time we saw her was more like the archetypal Master it was only later she became more “good” if she ever was

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Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but was it me or did the doctor seem to know where she had been transported to as soon as she saw it

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Lol I have the same dilemma, though to be fair there was a point about half way through where I thought where the hell is this going. There are clues there as  I did partially twig to the big reveal just not the identity of the foe until just before it was revealed.

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And let’s just say they managed to keep that bloody quiet

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Omg omg omg talk about fakeout is right. But I ain’t spilling the beans just yet to let those who haven’t had their chance to watch the episode  a chance to catch up

 

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Ah sorry was only really aware of the motor coordination element from working with clients with Learning Difficuties and brain damage as it’s quite common problem

 

 

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@janetteb I’m sad to hear you’re prone to falling over or do you mean you have dyslexia which is a problem with reading and writing which in no way means you’re stupid just that your brain interprets what it sees and how to write it differently. In fact some of the smartest ppl in the world have had dyslexia.

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Given last series’s proclivity to have real life historical characters I wonder if Fry will be playing an Oscar Wilde like character

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Lol and hopefully they will give us the series start date too though given the BeeBs usual trailer policy  all it will say is coming soon

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Darn it what a disappointment was hoping for something more on the Children in Need from the Who team. But on the other hand what a thrill for the young super fan to meet her idol and getting her own sonic screwdriver

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Hmmm it actually looks a bit like a giant spider has died and it’s legs are curling in around the Center console 😉

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Just been watching an advert for the BBC Children in Need on Friday it appears there’s going to be a Doctor Who segment if past years are any indication there may be news released on the new series or even maybe even a preview of some kind.

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@bluesqueakpip one can hold out hope for news of an Xmas or New Years  special as it’s odd there’s been no real news on the BeeBs Christmas schedule maybe  just maybe they’re waiting to release the news especially as a special over the festive season has become somewhat of a tradition. Though one would have expected some slippage from the good old US networks if it’s true, as I said one can only hope also it’s not as if Chibbers has held to all Who traditions.

 

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Hmmm I think alicefran thinks this is a dating site

 

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The only problem is that you need a Now TV or ROKU device so is not strictly speaking free

 

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Same here to be honest I generally just ignore thes sick SOBs and delete the messages

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@pedant @kevinwho like you Kevin I too thought this must be a US only trailer as I’ve not seen this new trailer in the uk so I suspect it’s only just started broadcasting. But I wonder if this is because of the US trailer. Oh @pedant if that is only true it would be wonderful if the BeeB had released a trailer with the intention to mislead us or even its an enemy that even the Daleks have been forced to side with the Doctor its not like that hasn’t happened before🤔😜

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Trust the bloody yanks to spoil the suspense. Yes there is a general consensus that from the uk trailers info that it is probably the Daleks that are the big bad of the episode but at least the uk trailer so far had left for it to be a surprise and end up being something else. One has to hope that whoever authorised the BBC America trailer will get a royal ass kicking. I personally hoped it would end up being something else either a new monster  say dredged up from the deep dark past of the universe or one from earlier Who like the Dominators. At least prior to this the fans could at least bonkerise in hope.

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@thane16 you don’t know who the quark’s were oh dear oh dear now I do really feel old. You have to go way back to the Troughton era to revisit them. Fortunately I am not quite old enough to have seen the original airing of the story but do remember a rerun the Beeb did though on BBC 2  in the Dominators story

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@nerys I’m not advocating the reuse of one of the usual suspect  in fact I could quite happily not see the Daleks or Cybermen for a while. What I was saying is by Chibanall’s apparent eschewing of all past monster he’s possibly missing the chance to reintroduce us to some of the doctors lesser known foes perhaps to even to reinvent that foe into something that has more relevance today. I don’t disagree  with introducing new monsters and let’s be honest some of the Doctors best “monsters” have been those that haven’t necessarily start out as a monster but are victims of the situation they find themeselves in. I can understand your husbandinthatrespect as I too am a child of pre-gap who.

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@craig is there any way there could be a method to be notifiedor follow a specific topic without actually posting first,like the notify me of follow up replies is emails, as I often like to follow a conversation thread before putting my own two penny’s worth into the discussion. May be something like the Facebook follow button for any given topic.

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