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7 July 2013 at 20:30 #13307
@bluesqueakpip Sat, Weeping Angels (what else?!) is my first choice, then Ice Warriors; 2nd choice Sun, same groupings then Fri
Then find a big screen (pref ARSE fan free) for Saturday night 😀
7 July 2013 at 19:55 #13302<runs in a little unsteadily with a crate of chilled champagne and a bigger on the inside basket of sweet juicy strawberries>
Andy Murray for the next Doctor…! Or is that taking it a bit too far? 😉
<too much emotion; slides slowly under the table!>
Scheeeers everyone…
*hic*
zzzzzzzzzz
7 July 2013 at 15:59 #13300I like the modern pacing and the older style of Talons-era equally, provided, as @nick and others say, it’s done well. (Something I thought 7.2 achieved consistently)
One of the interesting things about Broadchurch (forgive the brief digression) was its pacing – for what was pitched as a murder mystery/whodunnit it had surprisingly long reflective moments of just landscape or people and music. It was unexpected and it worked.
Leela in this personifies the companion who doesn’t do as she/he’s told. Stay here? When the suspects are getting away? No chance! And yes, surprising amount of guns and knives around the Dr. I was surprised when W-C turned up his nose at Leela as food, for being too muscly – I’d have thought Leela’s life essence would be a raging torrent!
7 July 2013 at 14:27 #13299@bluesqueakpip @juniperfish @Shazzbot @jimthefish @craig @chickenelly etc
If any of you are planning to try for convention tickets 9am tomorrow and you haven’t had the email with the codephrase to allow the early booking at 9am, PM me and I’ll send it, and the link
7 July 2013 at 14:22 #132987 July 2013 at 13:48 #13295Nice clip (and MASSES of other tasty morsles on the same account – as you say, it looks official); Intriguing. Looks very much to me like echoes or memory fragments like you might find in the collapsing timestream… or in a flashback…
7 July 2013 at 13:45 #13294Wow! Just realised we’re up to 403 members 🙂 We’ve multiplied 10-fold since April. We are indeed legion 😈
@wolfweed Thanks for posting the pic of the Adventure in Space & Time Tardis and consol room. I forgot it was green and pink! (Would never have known about that without this forum). Ha! I never realised Daleks came in colours other than shades of grey till the 70s
7 July 2013 at 13:36 #13291@Shazzbot Welcome to the pub. (haha John Hurt as Caligula is seriously disturbing. Highly recommend the full series. It seems to be becoming more available these days, think it’s on DVD now).
Even Scotland’s into the 20s today (just) but at least here you know it’ll be cloudy and rainy again in a couple of days 🙂 Heat’s fine so long as there’s a way to get cool. I like blue skies though, clouds get depressing. Pint?
So… is there a TV in here? Is the tennis on? 🙂
7 July 2013 at 13:25 #13290And the DVD is of course titled Revisitations 1 (not Rervisitations). If any mods @craig @phaseshift want to edit the last paragraph of the post above I’d much appreciate it!!)
I have a choice of 2 keyboards at the moment – 1 that goes through a set of batteries every 2-3 days (and no, I don’t type so much for that to be reasonable) then sticks, and 1 which works but where all the letters have been wiped off. New one on order 🙂
7 July 2013 at 13:22 #13289@bluesqueakpip The laundry basket – the plot would still have worked if the basket had been taken to the servants area, but would have needed a scene there to show Sin getting out of it. And there would have been fewer opportunities for the viewer to see it. Watching it first time round, I think it took me till the third pass to go… “ooooh” (I’m not quick on these things, LOL)
And Litefoot’s is a slightly unconventional household (see post above about Litefoot) – Victorian gentleman bachelor and all that. Maybe Mrs Hudson had a day off!
7 July 2013 at 13:15 #13288I’m really enjoying watching these on the slow road. Am also enjoying the pacing, particularly spending time getting to know Jago, Litefoot and Casey. Jago’s mostly bluff and showmanship, but there’s a sense of a decency underneath it all, particularly in his relationship with Casey. Casey? Noooooo 🙁
And I love Litefoot, he’s so sweet. He has some of the attitudes of his time, particularly as a child of the colonies. He obviously has a love of China and its culture (tho less of an understanding of its people – not surprising having been brought up in an ex-pat community). He’s establishment, is obviously well off, and yet seems to be a bit of an outsider. There doesn’t appear to be a Mrs Litefoot, or family or friends; He works unsocial hours as a pathologist, dealing with the unpleasant business of bodies. I hope he’s OK. (He’d a narrow squeak the other week when Sin broke in, not sure why he wasn’t killed then, so is this his time?) I won’t be happy if we lose him on top of Casey!
Chan is a great villain, and Bennett plays him well. I’m really starting to feel sympathy for him. He’s devoted himself to a being who has enough powers to effectively be a god to a man from Chan’s time and place. He’s been given powers as a reward (more likely for W-C’s benefit (upgrade the servant)) but I don’t get the sense he is helping for rewards, but because he believes in his “master”. Who, as @jimthefish points out, totally humiliates him.
Chan expressed some regret for the missing girls last week “But they are missed lord” – more in the delivery of it than he actual words. And this week we see him broken, and admitting to the Dr that his faith was misplaced. “He came like a god. He appeared in a blazing cabinet of fire…. I was but a humble peasant…” Which is a nice callback to his line on stage about killing 15 peasants to perfect the card trick, and highlights how much of an act Li H’Sen Chan puts on.
Was Chan’s plan to kill the Dr with the card trick? Why didn’t he? Or was he really trying to get him into the cabinet of death so that W-C could finish him off? (He promised W-C he would do it himself, as he was loading the gun). There were some nice touches in the theatre scenes, although I agree there was a fair bit of padding. I particularly liked Baker racking up the tension as he moves the pack of cards next to his face, saying nothing in words, all with the look.
@chickenelly and others – I highy recommend the DVD compilation – Revisitations 1 (Talons, Caves of Androzani (so a yes please from me to discuss that one!!) and… <shudders!> the TV Movie (is that the Spielberg one you’re talking about? I didn’t know he was connected with it). The visual quality for Talons is excellent, and a massive improvement on the youtube clips (appreciated as they are!). One warning tho – the rat is not improved in any way by better definition and less dark
7 July 2013 at 12:27 #132867 July 2013 at 12:26 #13285Just after mid-day, Sun – sounds like a reasonable time to hit the pub! Any of @juniperfish‘s (welcome back!!!! 😀 ) margueritas on the go? And for entertainment… please note this is probably NOT in the name of the Dr 😉
4 July 2013 at 22:52 #13190I’m going to try for Sat (with Sun, then Fri as preferences (mainly cos it suits me best, I might even be able to wangle a work angle on Fri))
Then find the biggest screen poss to see it on! haha at possibility of all of us piling into @bluesqueakpip‘s flat to watch! (it IS bigger on the inside I presume?). So long as it’s somewhere with no ARSE fans in the vicinity – imagine watching with various people booing the screen or muttering in corners that the cybermen/daleks/zygons are WRONG! 😉
I’d be up for a meetup on site and then see what happens.
@jimthefish “The worst that can happen is that there is just a prolonged, awkward silence” I should maybe fess up at this point that I’m not actually a weeping angel, but a dalek in disguise 😳 We may never want to communicate on the forum again!
PS @Shazzbot Love your airedales… and the cheesecake sounds amazing – you’re duly nominated as catering manager
4 July 2013 at 17:47 #13169I believe one of the highlights of the convention is that they’re going to screen the anniversary episode there. Or did I get that wrong?
I thought I’d heard something like that too. They def say they’ve got something planned for the evening. Maybe holding off announcing to stop the site going into complete meltdown on Monday! Or they might do it as separately ticketed event.
@Shazzbot They’ve got 10k followers on a Twitter account just for this event – I don’t think they’ll need to worry about shifting tickets on any of the days, LOL
<insanely excited about this for an auld yin 😉 >
4 July 2013 at 16:18 #13165@Shazzbot (and everyone else)
Ticket info’s there, but it’s under news rather than tickets!
Tardis VIP gets you front row seats and all day private lounge (is that the same as a bar? 😉 !! “including drinks and light refreshments and a goodie bag!” http://celebration.doctorwho.tv/news
Tickets are per day. Stuff still to be announced. But it finishes at 6.30pm each day. Would be a bit ironic if you had to miss the 50th screening cos you were at the convention, ha! What time’s the 50th going out at, anyone know?
4 July 2013 at 14:13 #13161More convention thoughts then back to work!
Entry prices look OK. And I understand the need to limit access to Photo and Autograph sessions, due to demand – but charging £20 and £15 respectively sounds like fleecing the fans to me. Unless they’re donating it to charity.
Harrumph! <still touchy about Beeb’s lack of “Dr Who will be all over the place”>
4 July 2013 at 13:51 #13159Convention update –
Prices are now there (bottom of home page) – may just have gone on or both me and @bluesqueakpip are going blind (possibly from watching too many TV and computer screens!) <wonders what a VIP Tardis ticket gets you… 😉 >
Ticket prices:
Adults: £49.04 (including £4.04 booking fee)
Children: £22.12 (including £2.12 booking fee)
Family (2 adults, 2 children): £110 (including £6 booking fee)
VIP TARDIS ticket prices:
Adults: £95.50 (no booking fee)
Child: £44.25 (no booking fee)
Family (2 adults, 2 children): £218 (no booking fee)
This could sell out fast…
4 July 2013 at 13:46 #13158PS @Shazzbot I wouldn’t have got Danny Cohen either, and yes, he is creepy, but it tends to be a UK establishment habit around any sort of royals, but especially the inner circle ones. (And thanks for your concerns about my work schedule. The joys of being freelance. Actually it’s mostly fun but will be pretty full on till end Aug)
@bluesqueakpip So how many spare rooms do you have…??! 😈
4 July 2013 at 13:34 #13157More news – this came out a couple of days ago, but got buried in the Royal visit news – loved all the comments on that, thanks to @wolfweed and everyone who postedd the links. Esp @Shazzbot‘s comments (splutter at the keyboard time!). Fave on the G blog was “Bookies have closed betting for the new Dr and his companion”.
TV Choice Awards – public vote – nominations –
Best Drama Series – DW
Best actor – Matt Smith – Up against David Tennant in Broadchurch (yikes!)
Best actress – JLC – up against Olivia Coleman in Broadchurch
Broadchurch itself is also nominated, but in New Drama, so maybe split vote on that less problematic than when DWcame up against Sherlock last year
4 July 2013 at 13:23 #13155Dr Who convention in November – tickets go on sale 11am this Mon. If you sign up for the newsletter should get you eligible for 9am priority booking. Special guests include Matt + current cast +panel with both Bakers (T on sat only) and McCoy.
Am actually geekily excited about this and thinking of going. But the fact that they’re still not stating prices makes me suspect the cost may be prohibitive! Anyway here’s the link
3 July 2013 at 10:40 #13113Can’t help but thnk that a Tardis Transformer is kinda the polar opposite of what Dr who stands for! 🙂
Re your link in another place (see, I do read, just no time to comment recently) re head transplants – yikes! I can’t help but feel there’s always going to be a party to that agreement who isn’t in the postition to legally consent! And the comment about the glue to hold it on not being quite fully developed yet – Heavy metal fans need not apply 😈
3 July 2013 at 09:10 #13112Sorry, no time to post recently, but been following others – some lovely stuff recently.
Just came across this, which made me laugh. A lot. It may be going to the proms, but the poster is being very mysterious! Maybe we could set it on Michael Grade (even more kudos to RTD btw, that must have taken a LOT of determination to get Dr who back on screen)
23 June 2013 at 18:00 #12839@jimthefish Re a follow up involving the Paternoster Gang – nice idea, but it also struck me that there’s a dark equivalent to them when Chang & co are driving around in the cab – they must have been paying the driver a LOT! Or maybe he just filed them under “theatrical types”!
23 June 2013 at 16:35 #12827<Waves back @juniperfish>
We’ve missed you 😥
Matt with his very short hair and his very sticky out ears – yes, and it’s lovely 🙂
23 June 2013 at 16:32 #12826@Shazzbot – I suspect the lighting you’re seeing is down to youtube being a poor copy. I’ve been watching on DVD and the quality’s great, dark but discernable! OTOH the more the giant rat is conjured up by your imagination the better it will be, trust me!
I’m loving going back to this – I missed a few episodes of the story, due to having an intermittent Saturday job and no video. Also remember watching in b/w – no colour TV. And the one week at a time is great too, tho I cheated with a double dose this week 😉
@jimthefish “But why do I imagine Mrs Gussett as being Terry Jones in drag“? I’ve no idea, but the image is now indelibly planted in my brain 🙂
23 June 2013 at 16:15 #12824@whisht Cuba or Moscow – typical – go after the whistleblower and deflect discussion from the issue
23 June 2013 at 15:51 #12821Haven’t been in here for a while… Just popped in to enthuse about Broadchurch which I’ve FINALLY caught up with. Managed to eke it out over the course of a week. Not perfect, but compulsive and engrossing. I especially liked the pacing, and the spaces they built into the direction. Kudos particularly to Euros Lin (thanks to @bluesqueakpip for highlighting him). I thought the examination of how a sudden death, particularly an unresolved murder, can eat away at communities from individuals outwards, was well done. In particular, the big, slow, all-consuming emptiness of grief was really well done.
I liked how the script often didn’t explain, that characters left things unspoken so that as a viewer I’m left shouting at the screen, especially at Tennant’s character, when he could defend himself/reach out but either choses not to, or is so screwed up that he can’t. DI Hardy was a character you can imagine Ken Stott or similar being cast as; Tennant brought a different and not always pleasant edginess to the character.
Lots of questions left dangling especially about culpability with reference to paedophiles, in particular that they are not always the out and out monsters it’s convenient for the media to paint them. “How could you not know?” (chilling)
Strong resonances of Twin Peaks at its best in the pacing, the heart of darkness in a small community and the hints of something spooky with the possible psychic.
And superb performances, especially from David Bradley, Pauline Quirke, Olivia Colman and Jodie Whitaker.
PS @whisht Thank you so much for the reminder of James Burke’s Connections – I’d forgotten all about the programme, and I was a huge fan of it when it was broadcast 🙂
23 June 2013 at 14:45 #12816Thanks for the link – did you post this before? It’s interesting the designer was given the go-ahead in January – ie to include Matt’s regeneration on the cover. And I love that they decided to go b/w – haha – gets round the problem of Baker’s coat.
While I really like the products the Beeb have been coming up with for the anniverary year, their celebration plans had better not all be about merchandising ie screwing as much dosh out of the fans as possible
23 June 2013 at 14:32 #12814Thanks for the link to your blog and Sarah Pinburgh’s – both very moving. I’m glad your internet friend was OK and escaped eventually. Being a victim is complex, and sometimes other people’s opinions don’t help. I recently heard of an incident which happened to a young friend of mine – she’s intelligent, self aware, has supportive family and friends (which she acknowledges) – yet she’s spent the last 5 years blaming herself, keeping quiet and going to quite elaborate lengths to keep up a facade of “everything’s OK”
23 June 2013 at 02:37 #12791stevethewhistle Thanks for the contextualising – well summed up.
And agree with @jimthefish (and others), Chang’s line ‘I understand that we all look alike’ is dynamite and beautifully delivered, understated but laced with suppressed anger. Chang’s giving the pill to the prisoner looked to me like it was hidden from the Dr by his hat, which was on the table, and the Dr was looking the other way. I think he genuinely thought initially that it was a trick. His reaction to violence though is interesting in comparison with AG Drs, definitely more accepting, if not exactly approving, of eg Leela’s janus thorn.
The acting’s great, love the lighting, the script sizzles.
And you have to be impressed with the Dr’s idea of how to show a girl a good time – in no time he’s got her knee deep splashing through the sewers of London. Can’t help thinking they’d at least want a change of shoes if not the whole costume, and a bath!!
Good old Mary Whitehouse – a rant from her was guaranteed to get more viewers/bums on seats/newspaper coverage. It was amazing it took her so long to realise it!
23 June 2013 at 02:07 #12790Ah, that was great – and Mr Sin at the end still made me jump! (creeped me out completely in the 70s). In the context of casting a caucasian actor – John Bennett does a great job, and Chang is well written. I like the pacing, slowly revealing how much power he has, then suddenly seeing him subservient, worried in the presence of Wang Chiang. I saw this at the time but I’ve forgotten how it plays out – Weng Chiang seems to be being set up as some sort of Time Lord. And time agents mentioned 🙂
@phaseshift Leela is great in this – and a perfect example of the companion not doing what she’s told. And just as well. She has such a forthright honesty. The jury was out for me re Litefoot till his scene with Leela eating. His comment about Chinese being odd “coves” caused the Dr to leave the cab. It’s in character for the period (and his character as son of a career colonial officer) but it’s nice to see him have a more empathic side.
(Been watchng on DVD (I love ebay!) – the add-ons sound interesting, will try to watch and feedback, unless someone else with more time does it first!)
stevethewhistle Great to see you back – have tried to tag you re a couple of previous posts but just realised why it didn’t link. Agree with you about the spider, there again I’ve always found spiders creepier than rats. I didn’t mind the shiny eyes but it’s Jago’s reaction that makes it. You might be right about it playing on the conventions, tying in with the whole Phantom of the Opera pastiche.
Aren’t theatre backstages wonderfully creepy though? 😉
Loved Jago and Casey’s exchange when Casey comes up from the cellar, rattled:
Jago; Have you been drinking?
Casey: No sir
Jago: Well have one!
22 June 2013 at 19:51 #12778I missed the memo about rules re where or when Xmas specials are set 😉 And I’d say that one way or another the Trenzalore prophecy has been fulfilled. The 11th fell in NotD. He then seems to have got back up again, but it was a close thing. If the prophecy refers to his (earlier) death which resulted in the Tardis tomb, then there can be no regeneration after that.
Unless Eleven is actually Twelve of course…
22 June 2013 at 15:30 #12767Looking forward to catching up on Talons later (and GitF). And thanks again for all the clips above @craig – great fun
22 June 2013 at 15:24 #12766@Bluesqueapip @htpbdet
So the tomb must be the tomb of a later Doctor or Smith later in his time…Only if we presume that the Doctor never repairs that crack in the window of the TARDIS. The one he got when he forced the TARDIS to fall onto Trenzalore. The one he’s only just created, in fact…Did she return to Trenzalore before finally shutting down? In the forlorn hope that maybe, just maybe, the Doctor and Clara had managed to escape the time-track?
That’s an excellent point and one I had not considered. Yes, that is quite possible and suits Moffat’s pre-occupation with paradoxes and aborted timelines.
My brain’s now tied in knots, but does the body of the Dr not need to be placed in the Tardis (as his tomb) in order for the “track of tears” to be created, in the way that he needs the Tardis to regenerate? Why was he killed this time? Did he chose not to regenerate?
22 June 2013 at 15:19 #12765Apologies for my sleep-scrambled posting last night!
My big problem is that I can’t even work out where the 50th will start! ie the “track of tears” is collapsing in on itself, Clara’s escape is possible because the Dr is in there also. Because the Dr is the biggest possible anomaly on his own timestream maybe it will just spit him out before he’s finally ejected. I agree the 50th’s thrust will be about a reset, presumably overcoming/reconciling whatever HurtDr did, so he can start relatively clean.
So does the 50th start still inside the collapsing timestream or does it head back in time (presumably) to investigate/deal with HurtDr? And does Tennant’s casting suggest a reappearance of the Time Lords?
Lovely idea from McLeela about a rogue regeneration to a reverse nature – natural mutations? Possibly ties in with @bluesqueakpip‘s cyclical theory, which I like as well. So long as no babies (and I like babies otherwise) in the Tardis it’s OK by me!!
I don’t think it’s significant that we didn’t notice all the Drs in the timestream, tho @wolfweed may have spotted them – may have been in the pre-credits sequence. We don’t need the detail to know that Clara jumping in worked – the Dr almost immediately starts to feel better – and his first thought is to save Clara.
The timestream’s fading/collapsing in on itself – is that a meta-ref to suggest the previous history of the programme is also fading/being wiped out?
@bluesqueakpip I pretty much agree with you re the position of HurtDr as 8 or 8.5, but I’m just trying to find a way to keep John Hurt as the Dr for at least an episode or 2 😉
@htpbdet re River and Dr – their relationship convinces me, especially in NotD. We have 2 people who much prefer the facade of being blase about their relationship – and given their history – the huge doubt and insecurity on both sides about how they feel about each other – Dr is suspicious about River – she knows too much and she tried to kill him, but she must also be insecure about the marriage – she can’t know if he just did it to be manipulative. And bottom line is it’s unequal, he’ll outlive her by centuries, already has by NotD. So River, for all her outward sassiness, is desperately insecure. That’s why she’s angry with him for sorting her wrist – she’s actually diverting her anger at herself for showing weakness (allowing herself to be caught by the Angel). Their relationship is built on fun and challenge and not showing your real feelings.
But underneath all that there are signs of genuine love in both directions, built on their mutual respect – and remember there are meetings they have which we haven’t seen. In NotD – pushed to an extreme, the Dr’s feelings are finally really on show, not just in what he says. This River is the one from SitL, at the end of her days, so she knows if Matt regenerates soon and into whom. Any subsequent Rivers we meet will most likely be before this one.
What has always interested me about that is the notion that the Daleks came first.
That’s an interesting line, but is it not just that it’s being said by Darla von Karlsen who is on Skaro and who has been dalekised, so for her it’s true, but not necessarily true from a wider perspective? It’s a chilling line though.
22 June 2013 at 00:20 #12746<shudders at having been made to think about Colin Baker era again and is going to dive into @craig‘s video links again to erase it! (a bit of Troughton should do the trick 😉 ) >
22 June 2013 at 00:14 #12745If Matt had that haircut as the Dr they’d have been calling him “The Ears” rather than the Chin 😉 Nice vid tho
22 June 2013 at 00:11 #12743@bluesqueakpip – But you could also argue that the rumours and stories of the Beast, the Storm and the Dr’s generally bad rep with Kovarian etc are down to the GI spreading misinfirmation (possibly even before he jumps into the timestream, but possibly as part of his dastardly plan after he has gone in).
I agree Hurt Dr is looks like he’s being signposted as between 8/9 but you can also make a case for him being after Smith. Except that I think, despite River’s comments in SitL, that it is being strongly suggested that Smith is the end – death at Trenzalore, his Tardis (cracked window) etc. Would a Claricle fix that as well, so that his grave is no longer at Trenzalore? It was a minor skirmish after all.
Or the HurtDr is the one whose tomb it is, having chosen not to regenerate as he didn’t want to continue being the Dr (out of tiredness (GI’s comment about “the old man”) or remorse or…? ). Maybe he needs to be persuaded to, to continue the line of the Dr.
I rather like the idea of 3 Drs coming together, a past, present and future. Although as @htpbdet pointed out any time previous Drs have come together it’s been arranged by the Time Lords to avoid the consequences of the resulting paradox. So does Ten’s appearance in the 50th also suggest TLs coming back? (And tell your nurse Jennifer we lover her, btw!)
(Re the Time War – have we not seen something similar to that in tWoRS? With stange anomalies like pterodactyls in the park, trains running into pyramids, time standing still etc)
21 June 2013 at 23:35 #12738@bluesqueakpip – Assuming Wikipedia’s correct, you’re right, and yes she was – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Fielding
21 June 2013 at 23:32 #12737@craig Thank you so much for digging out the video links. Just a had a lovely half hour reliving memories of Hartnell And thinking haha Mr M, you may be in charge of the programme now (and younger than me), but I do remember that first scene as Ian and Barabara burst into the Tardis. And yes it WAS awesome! And I just love the big thick doors and the hum! Looking forward to watching the others also. (Agh! But I’m also getting behind on my homework – dbl dose of Talons tomorrow to catch up 😉 )
@phaseshift – Love it! Great post on Delgado’s Master, thoroughly enjoyed reading it. And btw Alistair Sim was a comic genius, so no apologies needed. (And agree re the Hartnell years vid – Susan leaving would have been a lovely bit (they could have cut out Moff repeating Tennant 😉 ))
@arkleseizure The whole team should take the blame, but I think Colin probably less than the others. Actors can only work with what they’re given scriptwise and has to do what the director says. Also as someone else (@bluesqueakpip?) pointed out – he had a particular style, he’s given the part, so he’s going to presume he can do it, because he’s been told he can! And it’s on record that the Beeb wanted rid of the show as an anachronistic embarrassment so were doing their best to undermine it at every turn. Trouble was the damn thing kept regenerating 😉
20 June 2013 at 11:51 #12662FishComBobulated Sorry, but I disagree with you that Tennant and Smith are perfect “Time war damaged” Drs. The obvious pairing for that would be Eccleston and Smith (and this from someone for whom Tennant is THE AG Dr). Eccleston is the one closest to the deeds in the Time War – do we know what caused his initial regeneration?
@htpbdet Agree with your reading re Clara’s memories – she lost the ones in JttCotT, but some of them came back in NotD due to the Tardis “leaking dimensionality”. That’s not to say the others won’t pop up later – she is now officially a walking multiple paradox. (And thanks for looking out the BBC charter link for the other thread).
@bluesqueakpip LOLed at your comment about having given up on C Baker – if anything his Dr is closest to being the personality of the 13th! What if it isn’t Smith whose grave is at Trenzalore – what if it’s HurtDr? Did he refuse to regenerate, to continue the work of the Dr? If he’s the one after Smith ie 12, maybe to avoid becoming no 13?
I’m still wondering if they’ll pull a sneaky and Hurt really IS the next Dr, even just for series 8.
😀
20 June 2013 at 00:22 #12647When I tried to PM you and @phaseshift recently it wouldn’t go until I sent a friend request, so I just assumed it had been changed. (I’ve used v occasionally before without a problem). It’s not something I hanker after – and the info is probably redundant now. In hindsight the message would have been as useful on a board anyway (was just being wary of hurting feelings in case I was mistaken).
Glad you’ll have time for theorising and speculation again 🙂
19 June 2013 at 23:46 #12642FishComBobulated Not discountng your experience, but as pointed out above the BBC licence fee system does make a crucial difference. (It’s not immune to suits’ opinions, ratings etc but it is protected – the key thing it must deliver is quality (and it must work in the UK market)).
Re new Dr speculation – I agree with those who say speculation is futile as it’s already been cast – and probably was when series 8 was confirmed to have been commissioned. OTOH all the names floating about keeps the various news websites busy (esp heading into the silly season summer period), and any actor whose name is mentioned gets his/her profile boosted for a while. I attach no credence to any f the rumours and i expect a late official announcement (as late as they can possibly get away with). If they think they can keep the new actor under wraps even while filming the Xmas special (in Sept?) they will do.
19 June 2013 at 23:15 #12639Agreed – very few Time Lord tombs as far as we know. This situation is very unusual. It’s also unusual in that the Dr has timetravelled so much more than anyone else, ever. The scar would seem to be in place of a body (Smith says something along those lines) – and like a body, it decays and fades away over time.
I assumed, probably wrongly, that the Doctor, mortally wounded, fled to Trenzalore to die in the TARDIS,
Did they not say in NotD that he had died at Trenzalore (following a “minor skirmish” as the GI puts it)? Why did he not regenerate?
There are a lot of things in that episode that suggest that Smith is the last Dr. But maybe as @bluesqueakpip has suggested it’s just the end of a cycle, not a full stop. (which also feeds into the various phoenix/Isis references, resonancies and theories).
re the mindblock – I think it’s certainly open to interpretation as to whether it’s been put in place by the Dr or if it’s been imposed on him by someone else
19 June 2013 at 22:56 #12632The very best thing about the return of these episodes (if true) is that he has had to eat humble pie in public.
Ahahahaha – absolutely agree. (and with @phaseshift‘s similar comment)
Am trying very very hard not to think about even the smidgeon of a possibility that they’ve recovered missing episodes of Hartnell and Troughton (esp good quality ones). But watching Ian Levine squirm is a nice distraction!
Thanks for the photo of Delgado, and the reminder of the anniversary of his passing. The Clangers moment was indeed a classic. BBC website is featuring tribute to the Master this week (all incarnations but leading with RD)
Going to distract myself with another chunk of Broadchurch which I’ve finally managed to get my hands on – thanks to @bluesqueakpip, @jimthefish and everyone who recommended. At #3 so far and very impressed.
19 June 2013 at 22:33 #12628@htpbdet The mind block in NiS – it could have been put up by the Dr, but the scene doesn’t really play like that. The cyberplanner is feeling confident, thinking he’s only to get control of another 2%(approx) of the Dr’s mind to get him completely under control. He teases the Dr about his obsession with Clara – she’s prominent in his thoughts – but then comes across the mindblock. If it was put up by the Dr that suggests he knows Clara’s secret, which, as far as we know, at this point he doesn’t. Although, if the mindblock is working properly, that explains why Eleven doesn’t know who Clara is – because he’s put a block in his own mind. But why would he do that, in advance of meeting the cyberplanner, and what other secrets has he blocked out? (eg Hurt Dr, because the cyberplanner doesn’t detect him)
Or maybe the Dr is just more in control in NiS than he lets on.
19 June 2013 at 22:18 #12626@Shazzbot – re needing a damned good reason for Tennant and Rose – David Tennant – what better reason do you need??!!! 😆 (Sorry, flippant answer to a good point; I do believe they’ll be in there for reasons beyond just being available – we have no idea how much they’ll be in it though – could just be for a couple of minutes)
@htpbdet Dr 2.5 – yes, between Troughton and Pertwee, though I do tend more towards an AG solution.
@whisht Smith in his scar – re visiting Rose and 10 – definitely possible, but I keep going back to the scar collapsing in on itself – it’s not stable and Smith and Clara need to get out fast – unless, see point above about Tennant’s scenes being short. Maybe he just shows them the way out.
19 June 2013 at 22:02 #12622Poor @craig Sympathies – ruling the universe is tough, even for the merciless 😉
Am happy with whatever you want to change to the site – and I haven’t come across the Update function either! Delete friends, PMs, whatever you think will keep it running smoothly and cause you least hassle.
(btw @phaseshift – since Craig amended recently, you need to send a friend request in order to PM)
19 June 2013 at 21:46 #12616Re point we have so many theories no one is completely right – we passed that a long time ago, I think! (There’s a mountain of discarded theories – round the back of the sofa, the last time I saw them). Much too late to stop now!
I keep bouncing between Hurt Dr as 0, 2.5, 8, real 9 or post 11. If he started the Time War (or caused its crucial escalation) – maybe with the best of intentions – like the scientists in 1940s developing the atom bomb – or under pressure to save a companion – that would explain why Eccleston (or McGann) had to seal it in the timelock.
I’m coming back to speculating that we’ve maybe not seen all of Clara’s back story yet – coming back to that block in 11’s head in NiS. It’s clearly important that the cyberplanner doesn’t know what Clara is, it’s also clear from JttCotT that the Dr has no idea who she is, so if the block is self imposed it’s very well done. Did Clara put it there (after becoming split)… or did someone/thing else do it?
(@htpbdet – I’m not sure that Smith has ever referred to hm as the eleventh but there’s been lots of references to 11 throughout his tenure and in 7.2, it was clearly stated (in NiS and NotD) that there were 10 previous incarnations. That doesn’t exclude HurtDr being in his past, but he has been very deeply hidden – only the collapsing track of tears allows him to be found).
Tennant’s casting is also intriguing – how CAN he be there? If 11 meets/has met 10, then surely 11 would remember? Unless he’s a flashback, 10.2, or a Zygon!
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