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19 June 2013 at 21:23 #12612
Woooooah! Lots of theorising going on the minute my back’s turned, LOL!
It’s difficult to speculate on the 50th when we’re not even sure where it will start. eg I can see them assuming the Dr and Clara can simply jump out of the timeline/scar – the Dr was able to find Clara OK (once he sent her the leaf to act as a signal), it’s reasonable to assume he could get back to the console room OK – he has the advantage over anyone else that it’s his timeline.
I agree with @whisht‘s interpretation of the “track of tears”. We’re told it’s a scar in the fabric of time, a wound (in time) caused by the Dr’s travels, which is gradually fading. We’re also told it’s “collapsing in on itself” (this rapid change caused by the various intruders) – which for me, explains why Hurt Dr is findable – whatever blocks were put round his existence are breaking down with the rest of the timeline scar tissue.
In NiS the cyberplanner finds a “block” which hides info about Clara – who knows what else is blocked off (or why there is a block there at all – is it self imposed, and if not, who/what put it there?). Thanks also to @coffeemonster for picking up on the Dr shaped hole the cyberplanner mentioned.
If the track of tears disappears – what does that imply about the universe’s memory of the Dr – has he now disappeared?
But I could equally see the 50th being about them trying to escape the collapsing timeline, except that I suspect they’ll want to do something more stand alone – using it as a selling tool for a Dr film franchise and a setting up for post 50th travels. I’m with @htpbdet in wanting a small story again (most of 7.2 was like that), something character driven but with big explosive brain twisting concept 😉
17 June 2013 at 12:52 #12404@craignixon You obv just like living dangerously! (Did you not kick yourself a while back for being unable to resist an obvious BIG spoiler?!) But enjoy the spam to follow 😀
Anyone coming in and mass friending everyone has issues one way or another. This site doesn’t work by people having little private conversations in corners – we’re all upfront and out there.
PS Been meaning to say for ages – love the “Susan” avatar
17 June 2013 at 12:44 #12403@Shazzbot – Doesn’t matter how much you dislike some of the things your country does it’s still where you come from, so not easy (or desirable) to shake it all off. Good and bad everywhere. Try being Scottish, voting as we do, and still being part of the UK (and not necessarily wanting to be not part of it). America (all countries) needs good people like you to go out and show the world how good Americans CAN be.
Re iced tea – I suspect the weather may have a LOT to do with that! eg middle of June and it’s not even 20deg 🙁
17 June 2013 at 12:34 #12400Troll alert – since people need to be “friends” in order to PM on here, can I suggest that it would be wise not to accept friend requests from people you haven’t actually interacted with.
@miapatrick – am sooo glad I’m long done with exams (the benefits of being geriatric (ie over 30))
17 June 2013 at 12:08 #12398@wolfweed That is a cool TShirt. re copyright – I suspect a lot of traders will just sell them and wait till they get spotted; if they’ve gone thro the licensing channels I would expect to see have an “officially licensed” tag on it somewhere,
Love the Jamie pic (and fell off the sofa reading the caption – perfect!)
@danmartinuk – Report on the Two Drs on the Graun blog…? Or in here? We love gossip 😉
17 June 2013 at 12:03 #12397Mega busy weekend and behind with my homework, but look forward to diving into Talons later today
<waves @miapatrick >Well done, you clever girl 😀 (I had a friend who answered part of her Spanish exam in Italian! Easily done, she tells me)
<,jumps up and down with excitement!> Welcome back @htpbdet Glad to hear you’re on the mend
17 June 2013 at 11:57 #12396An older doctor would be nice, like around thirty so they are more rugged and aged but not to* old
<Aaaagh! Crawls off to the decrepit corner with all the old abandoned theories! 😥 >
*small compensation – at least I can spell 😈
14 June 2013 at 09:54 #12258Great list – 11 theories? Coincidence?? Hmmm, I think not!! 😆 I’m with @janetteb on no 5 (after 11 of course) with no 8 as an outsider. Although I am very taken with the idea of the next Dr being played by either Skippy or Moby Dick
14 June 2013 at 09:47 #1225714 June 2013 at 00:16 #12250Ezquerra definitely modelled Slippery Jim on Coburn,
which was my only exposure to it, so didn’t have a problem with it, but I was aware of rumblings from fans of the book. I really loved CE’s layouts and you could tell he loved doing spaceships and spacey-buildings. And a definite thumbs up to 2000AD (pre ratbag Murdoch takeover) for crediting the writers and artists – were they the first comic to do that? The girls ones I devoured before then never did.
It’s funny how you can get such vivid ideas about book characters (and places) then you see them in a film (or comic) adaptation and wonder how they could have got it so wrong.
Heck, was only going to post a panel, but then I found the whole page 🙂
13 June 2013 at 23:58 #12249OOOh, am all excited again. And yes of course there’s still lots of extreme detail we’ll have missed 😈 eg Moff says he always leaves threads dangling here and there so he’s got options to pick up in case eg a) Matt leaves or b) Matt doesn’t leave. So we can at least keep an eye out for potential dangling bits aka plot holes if you’re a G-troll 😉
And a big yes from me to Sat night viewings – that sounds just right (tho I may have to get an absence note from my mum for most of Aug. But I’m sure there will be plenty of others around to comment!)
Also like @chickenelly‘s idea re linking in with the BFI screenings of BG Who, although any special requests/suggestions equally good (eg if @htpbdet has any starter suggestions).
And further to the piracy comments – I’m all for respecting copyright but @craig is absolutely correct when he says the biggest illegal downloaders have been proven in several studies (never widely publicised) to be also the ones who spend most on buying CDs, DVDs etc and spreading the word amongst friends. They should be treated like gold-dust by record companies but funnily enough they don’t recognise it – there again those cos have their very large percentages to protect. (oooh! sore point 🙂 )
13 June 2013 at 23:40 #1224713 June 2013 at 16:11 #12217@wolfweed, love the ads. There’s a massive amount of Who merch out there at the moment, much of it so-so (anything coloured a vaguely Tardis shade of blue), but some of it’s amusing – like your aprons, and these Skarobucks mugs http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330934657032?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (and no bidding till I’ve bought mine, LOL).
LOL’d at Sun story – the wait proving too much for some people! (Going to wash now haha)
13 June 2013 at 13:53 #12206Yikes!
It’s amazing how it all adds up! I think the Crimson Horror was the 100th post gap epi.
Suggestion – since Moff’s the evil genius behind all this, and the reason our brains are tormented, if we’re looking for clues (or at least an insight into the dark recesses of his mind), how about a rewatch of just the Moffat stories (22 (excluding 2 Xmas specials))? 23 weeks between now and 23 Nov, that’s 1/wk (with a week spare) which would lead nicely into the 50th (after notD). Just a thought (or is that an overdose of Moff? 😉 3 different Drs tho)
“The Empty Child” / “The Doctor Dances” (2005)
“The Girl in the Fireplace” (2006)
“Blink” (2007)
“Silence in the Library” / “Forest of the Dead” (2008)
“The Eleventh Hour” (2010)
“The Beast Below” (2010)
“The Time of Angels” / “Flesh and Stone” (2010)
“The Pandorica Opens” / “The Big Bang” (2010)
“A Christmas Carol” (2010)
“The Impossible Astronaut” / “Day of the Moon” (2011)
“A Good Man Goes to War” / “Let’s Kill Hitler” (2011)
“The Wedding of River Song” (2011)
“The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe” (2011)
“Asylum of the Daleks” (2012)
“The Angels Take Manhattan” (2012)
“The Snowmen” (2012)
“The Bells of Saint John” (2013)
“The Name of the Doctor” (2013)
13 June 2013 at 12:20 #12200@bluesqueakpip Scheduled rewatches – good idea. I don’t have the DVDs of S5 though, will need to stock up. Just treated myself to seasons 2-4 (£30 for all 3, inc postage, on ebay) – planning a Tennant fest shortly 🙂 (I realise that’s not very helpful 🙂 ) Unless anyone knows online sources…?
Ditto re “Next Dr” discussions. Esp since I don’t think any leaked rumours are going to be helpful
13 June 2013 at 11:53 #12198@jimthefish Sadly I only came across Harrison’s Stainless Steel Rat through 200oAD (illustrated by the fabulous Carlos Ezquerra) but I still loved the stories and the character – no doubt filtered down though. Btw Slippery Jim di Griz… JimtheFish… ?
13 June 2013 at 11:47 #12197A completely off topic link for light relief for moggy lovers, Cat cams! Meeeeow http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567526
13 June 2013 at 11:46 #12196Thanks @bluesqueakpip for using my argument against it to reignite my faith in female Dr theory 🙂 (After the multi-Dr series theory)
@tennantmarsters2013 In an ideal world (one of the good things about 50 years ago) we would come to every story as a blank sheet, but that just ain’t gonna happen. Shame. OTOH rampant bonkers theorising is a welcome compensation. And aha, yes, Whedon/Moff crossover – vampire daleks…? What would the Dr do about the Hellmouth?
13 June 2013 at 11:33 #1219412 June 2013 at 22:39 #1218412 June 2013 at 22:34 #12182Re bluffs and double, triple and counter bluffs – see my post from the end of last week when I speculated that due to the intense media pushing of a female Dr, that if it isn’t (a woman) that there would be some strong rumours very soon, revolving round possible male Drs (to refocus the media and lower people’s female Dr expectations).
Ahem!!
Re RK being Dr slipping into badness as the incarnation whose name must not be mentioned – presumably HurtDr will take on a dark Dr persona, so not likely to do that role again. No, I agree, RK is a decoy (either knowingly or not (someone mentioned a previous association with Gattiss)) – I mentioned before (and Bluesqueakpip also above), it does his profile no harm at all; all that had to be done was organise a slew of bets on him, maybe someone placing a bet sugesting he’s got inside knowledge or has heard a strong rumour, doesn’t need to have cost a lot but enough in a short space of time to raise Ladbrokes suspicions. They close their books. Job done. Cheaper than a Graun ad 🙂
But agree, it’s been disastrous for bonkers theorising!
12 June 2013 at 22:17 #12180For @craig in particular and any other Banks fans – this was just broadcast on BBC Scotland but will be available on iplayer very soon. Interview with the great Kirsty Wark, recorded about 3 weeks ago. It’ll make you laugh and cry at the same time. And then want to go and kick something because it’s just so unfair!
12 June 2013 at 18:44 #12160@blenkinsopthebrave We will stand strong against the skeptics – they will see soon enough! Not sure about insane but definitely bobbins verging on bonkers! It’s pefect – they could even use it to trial @juniperfish / @miapatrick‘s Clara-dalek aka clalek companion!
Re the difference between the TARDIS and the Qantas (or Quantum as I like to call it) Club Lounge is that in the TARDIS time tends to shrink (whether as a viewer or a traveller) and in QCL (and equivalent around the world) time gets stretched so that what’s supposed to be a 2 hour flight turns into a 4/5 hour travel experience. Alcohol is the only solution. But don’t miss the flight!
PS Despite my cheeky retort to you on the website thread, you may have noticed that all my posts to you since then have been completely smiley free *proud*
12 June 2013 at 00:55 #12150@blenkinsopthebrave Am a big fan of your multiple regenerations theory. Although I feel I should warn you – that’s probably the kiss of death to it, given my track record! I definitely don’t buy that Matt’s departure took the team by surprise (although I think the leak did), or that they have series 8 commissioned, with scripts underway, without knowing who they’re writing for.
It’s noticeable that the only website not speculating on Rory Kinnear was the BBC! And all the others referred to the Telegraph as the source. Clickbait. Which doesn’t do RK any harm, his profile’s just been upped hugely. Maybe it was his agent who encouraged a flurry of bets on him. (Oh, surely not!)
Enjoy the pleasures of sharing the Qantas Club Lounge.
10 June 2013 at 14:41 #1212110 June 2013 at 14:35 #12120re the Rory Kinnear speculation – Den of Geek has this to say, based on previous experience
@miapstrick role models are important and they need to be visible. If you don’t see people you can identify with in key roles, it’s easy to assume it’s not for you. (See my earlier post about sexism/racism accusations re Dr Who). It’s not just about the actors, it’s about seeing those people in the creative team too. It doesn’t have to be about going down the positive discrimination road, but it does mean pro-actively seeking out and inviting applications from the widest possible pool.
I’d love to see a female Dr, just to see where they could take that, but not desperate for it at the moment from a role model POV – women are quite widely represented, for the moment anyway, especially when you include the Paternoster Gang. The really important thing is to keep the Dr as a non-violent, cross-species embracing, slight outsider role model – bad-ass in a different way.
10 June 2013 at 00:08 #12112Just came across this very touching, and very personal response by Neil Gaiman, to Iain Banks’ passing
10 June 2013 at 00:06 #12111@juniperfish Aww, loved that too, thank you. Soppy Sunday indeed, must be the sunshine. Good to see Joan’s still working, sadly I missed her most recent tour a few months ago, but in great form by all accounts.
10 June 2013 at 00:00 #12110@jwalker Re the Dr should stay male because of a lack of non action-hero male role models – that angle’s been taken by quite a few commentators in the media. Although you can apply the same argument in reverse – there are so few female role models, esp in science/scifi/action fields. Girls have traditionally had to do the “gender-bending mind switch thing ” (copyright @juniperfish) in order to idenitfy themselves as the Dr (or most other lead characters in action drama/sci fi). That again is tied in with being male as being aspirational and being female something to be looked down on (tomboys OK, boys doing female role-play is “sissy”) ie it’s OK for girls to do it, because they will, but you can’t expect that boys will imagine themselves as a female character no matter how inspirational – see Juniperfish’s longer post above (#11994). Maybe the Doctor needs to become hermaphrodite to satisfy everyone.
Or maybe TV & film cos could commission more dramas with a variety of role models!
9 June 2013 at 23:49 #12108<waves @jwalker>
Hi back, and welcome.
McCoy’s run is probably closer to after 2005 than the earlier Doctors, esp in terms of the way the companion was more central to the story. I liked McCoy, but he inherited a poisoned chalice in that Michael Grade (BBC DG at the time) was determined to get rid of Dr Who at that time. Not to meniton having to make up the ground that was lost by the Colin Baker years
9 June 2013 at 23:39 #12107@juniperfish @miapatrick Rolling on the floor at “Clalek”!! (and the idea of her and the Dr going into a teashop (is that similar to a bull in a china shop?). Cracking eggshells with her plunger indeed!)
They’d better come up with something damn fine to be better than that 😉
Re the Telegraph etc rumour – this time last week the Sunday Times was leading on its front page with the story it was going to be a woman! The fact that Ladbrokes have closed their books on it has given the Rory Kinnear story a bit of credibility (leaks from the BBC anyone??) and all the media know that a Dr Who story is click bait so no harm to them in running it.
It’s certainly an unsual alleged statement from “our source at the BBC” along the lines that RK would be perfect choice and he’s considering it. Kind of undermines anyone else as automatic second choice if RK declines.
Whoever it is will be amazing! No matter what they’ve done before.
🙂
PS @phaseshift Laughed at the stats you posted yesterday – good example of a bad survey – esp the question that suggested approx 20% of people thought it was important the Dr is English actor. Comsidering that 2 of them have been Scottish!
9 June 2013 at 19:39 #12097Aaaww, that’s a beautiful video of beautiful Cohen song.
<melted 🙂 >
Sending this to you in exchange, similar mood and photo montage. It’s possibly my favourite Cave song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUiEAVjmnTU
9 June 2013 at 17:10 #12087@pedant, just saw that too. Hope he got to see all the people and places he wanted to say goodbye to. RIP Iain Banks
9 June 2013 at 15:02 #12084other possibilities include the reporter making it up… BBC disinformation campaign
😯
Surely not….?!
John Hurt is 1 of the stand out actors of his generation IMHO. I was bowled over when I realised it was the same actor in I Claudius (Calligula (definitely “not in the name of the Dr”!)), Naked Civil Servant, Alien and Elephant Man. I would happily watch him in anything!
His one scene in NotD nailed it in a line and not just cos you’re thinking “that’s John Hurt!!!!
<wishing really REALLY HARD that his notDr reforms somehow and is brought back into the fold to be the Dr properly>
9 June 2013 at 13:47 #12082I keep mis-reading Rory Kinnear as Roy Kinnear… it’s very offputting!
7 June 2013 at 19:27 #12000That’s interesting re your friends. In fact if it’s not a female Dr I’d expect a fair bit of male-centric PR to be coming from the Beeb pretty soon, or there’s going to be a sense of disappointment! I came across an interview with Moffatt recently (it was from last Aug) where he says he pitches DW firmly at the mainstream (has to quell his own little geeky fanboy voice sometimes). Sorry, can’t find it now 🙁
Now could be a very good time to do it, when the show’s profile is high and they presumably have a bit of clout (with the BBC and with actors). And it could be a fun way to shake things up a bit.
As you’ve said before, they always build in a get-out at the end of first seasons. Any idea how long season 8 is? I only know know it seems an awfully long time away! <folds arms, stamps foot and looks huffy!>
7 June 2013 at 19:14 #11997Just a thought, but they’re going to have a terrible job phrasing the announcement of the Next Dr if it IS Clara. Assuming they don’t want to give away a big chunk of plot. So if they make us wait till November, I’m putting my money on JLC 😉
7 June 2013 at 14:34 #11988WooHoo! So you are 😀
There we are, thinking we’re lurking in our own cosy, dark little corner, when actually we’re in the blaze of the spotlight without realising it.
Sharing links to sites we think are of interest (commercial or otherwise) is very different to linking to things you have a commercial interest in. And again, I wouldn’t have a problem if any of the regular posters were to do that. But people who link without communicating first are a bit like doorstep sellers – you might open the door, but usually you’ll just say no thanks. Occasionally you’ll set the dalek* on them.
*every home should have one – very useful round the house
7 June 2013 at 13:40 #11984Links to other sites – for me it would be a lot to do with how commercial they are. But it is a bit rude to run into a forum, effectively shout “everyone come to my place”, without a bit of interaction first! As JtF suggests an offer of reciprocality would be only polite. OTOH Craig’s way of dealing with trolls seems to working so far ie Don’t feed, and they go away. (And maybe we’ll get the one convert eventually, LOL)
Same thing if you want people to buy your TShirts, no matter how cool they are, it’s nice if you ask permission first, or do a bit of interacting. There again, if you don’t interact, chances are your post is going to be overlooked/ignored anyway.
I’m for suck it and see policy – keep an eye on it for now, extermination policy in future if required!
7 June 2013 at 13:22 #11983It’s not about making Dr Who an issue-led show, far from it. It’s neatly dodged all attempts to do that since the beginning (educational (history & science) show anyone? 🙂 ). But it is currently a flagship show for the BBC and it should be using that clout to scour the widest possible talent pools (and ponds 😉 ). As a concept it can do, be, go anything/where/when it likes. So long as it stays story and quality driven, and doesn’t play safe (difficult when you have change built into it), I’ll be happy.
7 June 2013 at 13:11 #11977Sorry @jimthefish, @phaseshift – my post overlapped yours – was still composing when you were posting, so apologies for restating some of your points
7 June 2013 at 13:08 #11974@Shazzbot – have as many as you like! (LOL – I misread your post as extreme wedding… oops 🙂 )
Re women writers – I’m arguing from an equal opps pov rather than suggesting any intrinsic gender differences in writing style/content (do Timelords get PMT??). Moff is on record as saying it’s difficult to get women to write for the show because of previous experiences of women being pounced on by the fanboys – as they do with most of the writers, not just female ones. And it’s not a show to set an inexperienced writer loose on. As with a female Dr, it needs to be someone already experienced in the genre, so that she’s not totally demoralised when her script is torn to shreds in the forums afterwards. Classic Catch 22 – how do they get the experience?
I think there’s only been 1 female writer since 2005 – Helen Raynor (Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks (oops) and the Sontaran 2-parter). To be fair, the production team (which is currently all male with recent addition of Brian Minchin) seem aware of the problem and have said they’ve specifically targetted established female writers but no-one available. But maybe they just don’t feel wanted enough.
7 June 2013 at 11:31 #11966TW – even has his own regeneration energy effect 😉
7 June 2013 at 11:11 #11965Ah, Tom Waits as the new Dr and I’d be in heaven (well I can dream 🙂 ). Got the old/young thing down pat (since he started out), first album called Closing Time included songs called Martha, Rosie, Midnight Lullaby, Lonely, A little trip to Heaven (in a Tardis obv),and Grapefruit Moon. Rose, moons and time are recurrent themes. It’s hidden in plain sight I tells ya! This is Time (…the things you can’t remember tell the things you can’t forget…)
7 June 2013 at 10:41 #11964@Shazzbot – hope you’re feeling chirpier today. Have a jammie dodger <offers packet>
7 June 2013 at 10:37 #11963<waves @cathannabel – not seen you for ages 🙂 >
And yes CHARISMA! That’s the word 🙂
@miapatrick You’re right re throwing up issues. And also that every one of the things you bring up can be used equally well as a reason to do or not do something.
I’ve been thinking a lot about the racism/sexism allegations recently. I think DW does well, but could do better. eg women are well represented in a range of different characters, including the Paternoster Gang. However non-white actors are less visible recently than they have been (can be hard to tell under the costumes). All the main actors are currently mainstream white, even though they represent a diversity of species. I’m not for 1 minute suggesting “token” casting or that the BBC doesn’t operate “colour-blind” casting, but maybe they should check how widely they spread the casting calls to make sure they get the biggest possible talent pool.
Same with the moans re lack of women writers. I don’t know what the situation is behind the scenes eg if they operate mentoring schemes or other ways of bringing on new talent. But until women start seeing other women writing for DW they will just assume (albeit unconsciously for the most part) that it’s not for them/they’re not wanted.
This isn’t attacking the programme or the team for not being representative, just saying that in its position as a flagship BBC drama it has a lot of experience it can offer talented people; it’s not good enough to say that women don’t want to write for the show cos the fanboys chew them up after.
Phew! Sorry, bit of a serious post this one (and probably not one I would put on the G blog). Damn you Ian Levine! That Smithy announcement this week has even curtailed bonkers theorising, LOL. Nothing more bonkers than some of the names coming up – I notice Russell Brand is doing his media-whore bit and offering his services, and the Star had Paris Jackson as a shoe-in the other day. Me? I can’t get past Tom Waits since someone suggested it on the G-blog the other day. 😥
6 June 2013 at 16:56 #11940Thanks for the Gaiman link. Completely agree with –
I want to be taken by surprise. I want to squint at a photo of the person online and go “but how can that be The Doctor?”. Then I want to be amazingly, delightedly, completely proven wrong, and, six episodes in, I want to wonder how I could have been so blind. Because this is the Doctor. Of course it is.
(and sympathies on the lack of sleep. – can be good for bonkers theorising tho, esp when you get to the hallucinating stage!)
6 June 2013 at 16:01 #11938Sadly I suspect all this speculation is likely to drive the team the opposite direction, to avoid being labelled PC 🙁
But it’s very interesting when you start to see the creative objections to a female Dr, and none of them hold up as @miapatrick, @bluesqueakpip @mtgradwell and many others have said. Fanbase and ratings are another matter. Given the polarising effect River has/had you can understand why they might be wary! (Thanks for the interview clip @wolfweed, Alex K was great).
Maybe… TimeLords get chunks of 13 regenerations then they choose if they want a complete make over, including gender and/or species, or just a quick cell rearrangement. Would love to see a mult-Dr series as suggested above (TM @blenkinsopthebrave)
I think Victorian Clara is a claricle btw, mainly on the grounds that she died! Ditto AotD Clara.
6 June 2013 at 15:47 #11937Was going to post this in news as it’s a new Graun article link… but, well, really it seems more suited to the sofa! (desperate for clicks, or what!) Make your own Matt Smith (I kid you not!)
My fave comment is –
Why would anyone embroider Matt Smith when you could knit David Tennant?
http://indiecrafts.craftgossip.com/2009/01/20/free-crochet-patterns-doctor-who-dolls-and-more/
Sorry, it just really amused me for all sorts of reasons
🙂
PS Hi @the13th and welcome
5 June 2013 at 12:30 #11877I think at least some of it is people refusing to admit to themselves that they’re getting just a little hard of hearing
haha, I think you really have a point there. When you find yourself getting annoyed with EVERYONE for mumbling, it’s maybe time to get your ears tested (I speak from experience!). Headphones work well for me as another solution, with the added bonus of not being interrupted by “noises off” from my family.
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