The Trailer – Discuss it here
by Craig
The trailer for The Day of The Doctor is now on the official BBC site. So it no longer counts as a spoiler, although some people may still not want to see it.
Let’s try and keep discussion of it here if possible.
Previous teaser
Second Trailer
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@blenkinsopthebrave
I would caution against making too many assumptions about this. It seems to that that the entire Hurt doctor scenes with the ? moment in the trailer could easily be in a scene settling prelude (before the credits even) and be relatively self contained.
Cheers
Nick
@ScaryB – yes, I agree that there’s a bit of a paradox in Name of The Doctor. Okay, quite a big paradox. But I suspect Ol’ Sexy’s sheer reluctance to go there has a very simple explanation; she knows that the Doctor only goes to Trenzalore once. ‘You can’t go there – we’re gonna die!’
Quite possibly Clara’s destroyed the timeline where the Doctor dies on Trenzalore. It depends on whether his death is, as @Timeloop suggests, a fixed point.
I do like @janetteB‘s brilliant point that the Hurt Doctor could be past tense to the Smith Doctor (because he’s already met him) and future tense to the Tennant Doctor. That would make the Hurt Doctor Doctor Twelve (One to Eleven would keep their numbering), and if it follows my ‘clock-face’ theory, the Hurt Doctor does something that ‘makes’ The Doctor.
And it would explain something I once argued about with @HTPBDET – my feeling that everyone (include the Smith Doctor himself) desperately does NOT want the current incarnation to regenerate. Because what he’s going to regenerate into will be genuinely terrifying.
That said, I still think Hurt’s between McGann and Eccleston. But placing Hurt as Twelve will give us Past (Tennant), Present (Smith) and Future (Hurt).
@Nick – could you pleasestop talking about what you’re discussing in the Spoilers section? Saying ‘the spoilers suggest X’ is just as bad as posting X.
And saying ‘your bonkers theory is wrong because I’ve read some spoilers’ is just plain bad manners.
@craig, @shazzbot, or @jimthefish – the post is at 16:11, comment no. 201.
Hi, everybody. I’m Snax and am new…
I found this to be very interesting.
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In the last 20 sec. of the second trailer.
-Trailer “his darkest day and his greatest threat.”
-Then D.10 says, “For once, I would like to know were I’m going?”
-D.11 says “No, you really wouldn’t!”
-Trailer “himself”
-Now D.hurt says ” I’m looking for the Doctor.”
-Matt smith, looking un-surprised and very worried.
David says “You’ve come to the right place.” more puzzled than anything.
This may make a good case for the theory I read earlier, on this forum. That hurt might be between 10 & 11,
be the big bad, and why David was so upset to regenerate… ” I don’t want to go”
Knowing Moffat, that last 20 sec. Could be a summary for the special, in a very general context.
It seems to be just before ‘The End Of time’ for David, yet I feel the trailer portrays him as naive
to the situation. While Hurt is cornered into doing something very non-doctor, that Matt hates and
loathes himself over.
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Although, I am absolutely thrilled by the Doctor origin theory I read here!
@Nick – I do agree with @Bluesqueakpip, so I’ve edited your post (sorry) to remove any mention of the Spoilers thread and what that thread’s contents are / suggest. I hope you understand why this action was taken.
@Nick – when I mentioned River knowing ‘bad things’ in advance, I wasn’t specifically talking about her own fate / death. Her timeline moves linearly to her – it’s just that it’s out-of-order to the people she keeps meeting.
I guess I was thinking of the beach scene at the end of the Weeping Angels two-parter when she said that she’d see the Doctor next ‘when the Pandorica opens’. Having every enemy the Doctor ever fought, all in one place, counts as a Pretty Bad Thing – and not only can she not warn him about it, she can still be upbeat and flirtatious in this, her current moment. That’s what I meant by ‘strong’. **
** Me? I’d be screaming hysterically ‘stay away from the Pandorica please!!’ 🙂
@Bluesqueakpip
The Doctor’s death may very well be a fixed point, but it’s not at Trenzalore. That’s done and gone (including the big tombTARDIS and the timestream/scar). We’re ready to march into a new adventure.
Yeah, I like the neatness of past, present and future Drs (see my (well not just mine) prev theory about trinity of Doctors exploding into a new lifeline at the end (incorporatng your rebirth/cycle theory too). So you get past the 12 regens limit, the new Doctor is still made out of the genetic material of the old Doctors. IF they resist bringing the TimeLords back in any lasting way, that’s a whole new universe for the Doctor. But would be nice if he could pick up some family along the way too.
I also REALLY like @Juniperfish‘s thoughts on Hurt nonDoctor using Rose as a weapon in the TimeWar – that definitely wouldn’t sit well with our Doctors idea of the Doctor. Oooh 😈
Again, a reminder that previous multi-Doctor stories have always involved TimeLord intervention to stabilise the paradoxes.
@Shazzbot -I suspect River is perfectly happy with her situation. She gets to tease everyone endlessly with “spoilers”, while she’s also had a peek at the script so she knows the inner workings 😉 Mostly. And she gets her Doctor(s) in the end (or is it the beginning?) – who knows how many incarnations the hussy gets to hang around with? 😉 (And good point @Nick re no idea what a “normal” lifespan would be for her)
@Shazzbot – thanks as ever for vigilance (Sorry @Nick, but these things are important. ALL refs to things on the spoiler thread have to be kept off all other boards).
Re River and the Pandorica comment – when she says that, the Pandorica is in the past for her, so she already knows it has a happy ending. She loves the buzz of the adventure. I give you – falling out of a spacecraft, in deep-space, with complete faith that the Dr will have found her encrypted message and be there to catch her.
@bluesqueakpip and @nick
You have both reassured me! I will now re-embrace my earlier ideas (well, maybe not Kennedy, but the other ones)…
@shazzbot – which kind of puts her attack of the sheer heebie-jeebies -‘don’t go into your own time-line, anything but that!’ – into a certain perspective, doesn’t it?
And, indeed, her insistence on his saying goodbye.
@Bluesqueakpip – yes, those last moments in TNotD are interesting from so many perspectives, aren’t they? What happens after 11 jumps into his timestream seems to be linearly in order with her life, i.e. it implies that she doesn’t know what will happen and fears the unknown. Or, she knows what happens and really, really doesn’t want him to go there.
Was the insistence on ‘good-bye’ solely for the (marvellous) sentimental value of the moment? Or … does she know she won’t see 11 any more, and that ‘Spoilers’ ending implies she’ll see 12 (or 10? or Hurt? or more/others?) next.
@Bluesqueakpip –
if anything’s from the End of Time, we can’t presume that it actually was RTD’s idea. At that point, Steven Moffat was gearing up for lead writer and chatting to RTD about ideas he wanted. He might, for example, asked for ‘The Moment’ to be put in.
I remember that D10 had referenced his age a couple of times, suggesting he’d aged exactly with the show (900 – 903 if I remember correctly) and thinking at the time it didn’t leave much wriggle room for alt media (not to mention for a 900 year old to burn through one of his limited regenerations in just 3 years was a tad wasteful!)
Then, at the start of The End of Time, the Doctor made it clear he’d been roaming for a while, and I wondered whether RTD (possibly at SM’s request) had decided to build some slack into D10’s life span because there was already speculation about David Tennant returning for the 50th.
I’m also sure D10’s final ‘I don’t wanna go’ was carefully chosen with a view to SM’s initial ideas of where he was wanting to take the show – I can’t find the quote but I’m sure SM has said something along the lines of skipping the boring bits and going quite dark quickly?
@Shazzbot –
Was the insistence on ‘good-bye’ solely for the (marvellous) sentimental value of the moment? Or … does she know she won’t see 11 any more, and that ‘Spoilers’ ending implies she’ll see 12 (or 10? or Hurt? or more/others?) next.
I don’t think River was expecting to ever see the Doctor (any Doctor) again from that point onwards. And knowing that time could be re-written, she feared what could happen to him, to her memories of a future version of him. It would be incredibly bleak knowing that both the chances of your future with your love, and your memories of his future may be about to disappear.
I suspect the spoilers ending was simply because it’s what River is always supposed to say when saying goodbye to the Doctor and had to be said one last time. And to drive us mad with speculation! Have we had ‘A Claricle is River’s great great Grandmother’ yet? So the Doctor left Gallifrey traveling with a Grandchild and ends up with a Grandparent (in-law)!
@Snax – I love your avatar. Welcome.
@bluesqueakpip
Are there any other stories where a past-present-future identity has been forced to reflect on past misdeeds and seek atonement?
Further, are there any that Moff (who is known for liking his riffs) has already riffed on, in test-drive stylee?
@pedant – A Christmas Carol?
@wolfweed
It seems it did need spelling out after all 😉
BTW- WHO STOLE ALL THE EDIT BUTTONS? WHEN IS THE NEW SUPPLY DUE TO SHIP? WILL THEY CLEAR CUSTOMS?
@pedant – The Airedales ate the Edit Buttons. You’re fine to follow along behind them and hope they eventually re-appear 😆
(No, really, there wasn’t ever an option to edit blog posts I don’t believe – just forum topic replies.)
Blog posts are a bit weird. The person who created the blog can edit everything, including other people’s comments. But people can’t edit their own comments.
A Christmas Carol involves the non-appearance of the Blinovitch Limitation Effect. There’s also the painting behind Kazran, which changes every time the Doctor tries changing Kazran’s past.
Just sayin’ 😉
New Mini-tease – ‘It’s all been leading to this.’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrGcME6dv6A&feature=youtu.be
‘It’s all been leading to this.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01ldlld
@Pedant
They’re apparently stuck in an old warehouse in Nigeria.
We’ll get 9 next week, maybe 1 more in Feb, and who knows about the rest!
😀
@ScaryB @Bluesqueakpip
I cannot assemble one giant post so I will deal with the post of @ScaryB at 1:34 and 23:29 of @Bluesqueakpip first.
@ScaryB I agree that it would cause a paradox and stand by my point that the Doctor can’t die in the grave of his future regeneration. I don’t want to repeat my reasoning, so please look upstream if there are questions. I do not think that the TARDIS would wander off on herself as @Bluesaqueakpip suggests. But if she includes that as a given in her theory then she would avoid a paradox. Although the TARDIS would have needed to come hundreds of years early and the Doctor could not be buried inside her because he is not dead yet… wait! That’s right! That was my thought of that night, I think.
@Bluesqueakpip The TARDIS cannot come back and die there because that way there would be no time-stream in which the Doctor can jump into. Because there is no body of the Doctor yet. The TARDIS can die there, but there would be nothing for the Doctor to die in. That would happen at the same time he is going there. Not enough time. Ha! That is the loophole you did not think through! Or did I forget something in your theory?
Therefore the Doctor cannot die at all in his own time-stream. I don’t know what he does to escape, but he won’t die. He might regenerate, but he won’t die.
@ScaryB Bluesqueakpip said something similar about the Day of the Daleks. She only thought that Clara was the one to act outside of the loop instead of Hurt, so just a minor change.
I hope that makes sense to you two. I left all my reasoning in because I had the idea while writing.
@timeloop Well as the 50th has 3 TARDISes in it, who’s to say that he doesn’t leave one at Trenzalore and starts travelling in another!
Also, he didn’t necesaarily die inside the TARDIS, his body/timestream could have been moved or “downloaded” there
On Radio1 this morning they had a rather frantic trailer for the 50th featuring 11 babbling on about nothing much and a bit of Clara. He calls her his “Impossible Girl” again so it looks like she will remember the events of what happened at Trenzalore, rather than a JttCotT memory-loss
The Day of the Doctor radio ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pot6GUYvHo
@Snax at 16:35 I agree! Welcome to this forum 😉
I had in fact the exact same observation on a re-watch. David seems to be surprised/oblivious, Matt looks really worried. Is Hurt between those two?
I don’t know who suggested it at first. But it was discussed earlier this year that in Nightmare in Silver there was a pause between 10 and 11.
Maybe Hurts outfit is a red herring? Or the scene is out of context…..
@all Love all the River ideas.
@thommck Because there are 3 Doctors.
Isn’t it more likely that a very old version of our Doctor does indeed die at a younger Trenzalor? Even though it might be blue borringers.
Yes it can be moved there as well. Maybe he died somewhere else and it was Rivers task to set up his grave there. Since the secret passageway needed to be set up and his grave needed to be sealed with his name. So this could happen.
All I am really saying is that right now (his time at the time-stream) the Doctor can’t die at Trenzalore.
@Timeloop – no. Just something in The Name of The Doctor. Namely, there’s no body. It’s highlighted, in fact. There’s no body “bodies are boring.”
The Doctor’s unsurprised; his ‘tomb’ is the track of his travels through time; the record kept by the TARDIS. His path, as he says, from Gallifrey to Trenzalore. If he then climbs into his own time-stream at Trenzalore and never comes out, the time-stream becomes a classic case of the fabulous Oozlum bird. Since this is family friendly television, it’s described as ‘collapsing in on itself’. 😉
@Timeloop I think I agree with you re: Tranzalore.
In regards to Hurt being 10.5, that surely isn’t going to happen as we saw 10 regenerate into 11!
Hurt could well be an older version (maybe from the 100th anniversary episode 😉 ) that visited 11 at some point.
He could even be a younger versions that the Timelords wiped from the Doc’s memory, they seem to have a particular penchant for that. 11 could be recognising him as part of the odd memory problems he’s been having
@Timeloop
Soitenley. But only if you can explain to me why the scriptwriter and production team carefully highlight a distinctive, new, crack in the Tardis exterior window – and then carefully show exactly the same distinctive crack in the giant TARDIS.
@Timeloop – I do like your well thought out theory – I just disagree with the route it takes. And I do agree with you and @Bluesqueakpip that Matt doesn’t die at Trenzalore. And won’t now – all the prophecy stuff about Trenzalore has been dealt with in NotD. But he did once 😉
I’m going for the simplest* option for explanations (well as simple as timeywimey gets)
1 It’s Eleven’s TARDIS that we see when they arrive at Trenzalore – we know by the cracked window
2 The crack is caused by the massive force used by the TARDIS desperately trying not to land there – possibly to avoid the paradox (engages HADS or similar to scoot sidways)
3 We know Matt’s timestream is about to end because Clara tells us she only sees 11 faces – there are none after him
Therefore the simplest* explanation is that it’s the dead Doctor is Matt and his death is imminent when he arrives. BUT there’s a timey wimey element. His death is caused by the GI – “the minor skirmish” – when the GI jumps into his timeline and “turns all his victories into defeats”. What we see as viewers is what happens when Clara jumps into the timeline. We see the fix as it’s happening. Maybe she fixes it by keeping the line open to River when the GI interrupts the conference call, and influences events that way.
So we see both the now-aborted timeline where the Doctor dies, AND we see the reinstated/new timeline where he doesn’t, and the GI is defeated instead. Is there not a line in NotD where Clara says something about “always” going into the timestream? When they do step out the timestream, it will be gone, folded in on itself – the Doctor’s memorial is not for now – and the big tomb Tardis will also have gone – it’s timeline has been aborted.
*You should see my idea of complicated 😉
@ScaryB I chuckled at your *
Well you do forget one thing though. Even IF his grave won’t be at Trenzalor anymore – it will be somewhere. There will always be a time-stream somewhere in the universe for Doctor. Everybody knows everybody dies.
@Bluesqueakpip
Yes there is no body. But since the Doctor never died and is not likely to do it on-screen anytime soon we don’t know how long it takes for the time-stream to appear or if there is a lot of regenerating energy doing time lord stuff. Maybe the TARDIS automatically materializes automatically in that situation.
“Soitenley” Took me a while to figure that out. There is always a challenge in the forum for people whose first language isn’t English ;D
No problemo – There was a highlight on that window crack so we would argue about it. And maybe so we are prepared to distinguish between the different TARDISes. There is a battered one a normal one and one with a crack in the window. Oh and some of the windows between 10 and 11 have different color, right?
Why is there no discussion about the teasers?
@Timeloop
Oh I don’t disagree with you at all on that. It’s just not at Trenzalor any more. But it was. Till Clara fixed it.
And I agree with you there’s no body. Not just because the Doctor doesn’t do (dead) bodies, but because the Doctor-dies-at-Trenzalore timeline is now aborted (it was the result of GI interference). But somewhere/when in the universe there’s a timestream/scar nurtured and protected as it slowly decays within a dying TARDIS. (Hence the paradox at Trenzalor)
But not today. 🙂
@Bluesqueakpip @Timeloop
No. I think that was just a typo 😀 (lack of edit function on this thread (cos it’s a blog) has caught me out a few times too)
I also agree that they’re very clearly differentiating 3 TARDISes (scuse me while I SQUEEE!…) especially with the interiors. And it’s likely to be a plot point. Previous multiDoctor stories mostly didn’t feature multiple TARDISes as well. I think everyone agrees the scruffy one at the start of the trailers is Hurt nonDoctor’s.
Cos we’re still working on the main trailers and they’ve been overlooked! Their time will come. Feel free to start 😀
@Timeloop – if I recall something you posted, you’re back in Germany now (after going to university in London)?
I think @Bluesqueakpip‘s ‘Soitenly’ is simply spelling out the New York accent’s way of saying ‘certainly’. Think of the showgirl in the story where Martha and 10 went to New York and found Daleks (Daleks in Manhattan?).
To be honest, I thought the showgirl’s exaggerated NY accent was quite good – and was shocked to learn in the Confidential for that episode that the actress was actually British! 🙂
@Shzzbot @Bluesqueakpip
Grovelling apologies. My bad
🙁
@Shazzbot @ScaryB
As I said, I figured it out =) No problem at all Scary! No robot and all that.
And yes Shazz you do recall that quite right.
As for the teasers:
Bot of them seemed pretty random at first. Both of them include circles, both are described as a bit creepy, both have shadows flying over them. Most interestingly they both show a different pose of the Doctor at 00:07 seconds for a brief second which could be part of a sequence just like in a flicker book. From those two I’d say he sees something and is distancing himself from it.
It is so creeping me out to watch the first one. And the second… Especially if you have to look for that short blip with the different pose. Why did Moffat want them to be creepy? Anyway I took a Screenshot for you guys.
http://s24.postimg.org/eroezs7kl/11_1.jpg
http://s24.postimg.org/m8xmezx3p/11_2.jpg
@Timeloop – the shadow in the second one looks like a shadow of a watch. Stopwatch? Fob watch?
When the trailer came on last weekend, Mrs Hatter’s first reaction was “oh, so John Hurt is a later regeneration of the alt-d10 from the parallel universe”
She has a wonderful tendency to present bonkers theories as obvious fact, but I started thinking about it, could it be a goer?
Just as I’ve started swinging away from the HurtDoc being D12+, there’s been a few comments above swinging me back again, but could HurtDoc being an alt D11 resolve the same quandary – d10’s future so unrecognised, but d11 has met him before (when d10).
It could explain why the TARDIS blew when d10 regenerated – perhaps his death triggered the regeneration of the clone. And could explain why D10 was so afraid of going, once he realised what his death (and his ego in defying death earlier) would trigger. And possibly explain that gap between d10 and d11 in NiS.
Not sure if this one has been suggested before?
@OsakaHatter
It’s a nice idea but I recall the alt-Doc10 only having one heart. There was that scene on the beach at the end where he tells Rose he will grow old with her, strongly implying no regeneration is possible.
There’s definitely something going on with the regens / Tardis / Tardii that have not been explaned in show. It’s too obvious to be an error I think, so will feature in the 50th (it better had!). The Van Gogh painting will feature somewhere for sure. Although….
At this stage I’m not ruling anything out (alright, I’ll stop it now)
@OsakaHatter @WhoHar (nice clear new avatar WH! and yes, we know you’re ‘not ruling anything out!’ 😉 )
Osaka, I’d like to take yours and Mrs Hatter’s excellently bonkers idea and run with it down a different alley – what if Hurt Doctor is an alternate regeneration of the actual D10? You’re right to bring up D10’s hubris in cheating death (all those adventures he mentioned, including Good Queen Bess who doesn’t have the same nickname any more), and what’s more, the fact that he didn’t regenerate when zapped by the Dalek (something that severely troubled HTPBDET).
That Tardis explosion upon D10 –> D11 regeneration could signal a splitting off of the Hurt Doctor and D11 simultaneously. For a complete theory, I guess I should explain why I think Hurt Doctor doesn’t deserve the name ‘Doctor’ – but I’ve read so many possibilities people have posited here, and can’t decide which is my favourite, nor formulate a different idea. Is the Time War a feint on Moffat’s part, and what he actually did is something not even out there in SpoilerLand?
Mad thought – what if the Tennant Doctor was supposed to regenerate when the Dalek hit him?
Hurt is alt-Eleven (suggested by many). The Tennant Doctor’s final regeneration was so violent because he created a paradox inside the TARDIS. Firstly by regenerating at the ‘wrong’ time, secondly because he was about to create a Doctor who shouldn’t ever exist.
The paradox causes the TARDIS to crash, and Time itself to crack.
I’d point out that we start to see the effects of the cracks (though not the cracks themselves) immediately afterwards, with a cyber-invasion that no-one on Earth remembers. If that were the case, RTD calling that Special ‘The Next Doctor’ was a bit of a joke – we should have been watching The Next Doctor.
@OsakaHatter @WhoHar @Bluesqueakpip @shazzbot All your latest ideas on Hurt sound way too complicated and require too much knowledge of Tennant’s old episodes to be included IMHO. My stake is firmly in the time war (between 8 and 9).
@Timeloop I think non-brits have been a bit misled by the teasers you discuss. They are just common idents that the BBC show before a programme starts on BBC one. The Doctor breaking in to them is just a bit of 4th wall breaking that I don’t particularly care for. In fact, I see the more as Matt Smith rather than the Doctor
@thommck – “All your latest ideas on Hurt sound way too complicated and require too much knowledge of Tennant’s old episodes to be included IMHO.”
@Bluesqueakpip made a very interesting point about ‘The Next Doctor’ Christmas special, and what an in-joke the name of that could turn out to be if the 10-should-have-regenerated-after-that-Dalek, split-10/11-regeneration theory holds up. However, it could all be done with very quick flashbacks to provide background to anyone not familiar with those plot points.
But your point about the Time War goes slightly against your ‘too much knowledge of old episodes’ comment – the Time War also is part of old episodes. (Well, ‘old’ as in, they’re prior AG Who episodes.) I’ve frequently wondered how Moffat will look-back-look-forward in ways that capitvate ALL kinds of fans – from the beginning, from Baker T, from McCoy ( 😉 ), from Eccleston, from Tennant, and simultaneously pull in new fans. For the latter type of viewer, there simply has to be some kind of flash-backing, or expositional dialogue, for it all to make sense.
But I fully expect plenty of things that will delight long-term fans as well – they don’t have to be integral to the plot of the 50th, just little delights like that which perhaps @Bluesqueakpip has already gleaned: like, how in hindsight some things that never occurred to us could relate to the twists of the 50th, actually do.
@Thommck – well, my money is still on ‘between eight and nine’, but it would be just like Moffat to suggest ‘Time War’ and then have an entirely different incarnation the one who got included in the Time War. 🙂
Also, I seem to recall that there was a mass cry of ‘using The Moment is far too complicated – who’s going to remember that‘. And then the trailer came out…
Placing the Hurt Doctor between Eight and Nine is also going to cause one heck of a lot of problems; most of the younger audience won’t even remember Nine except through the shots of the Eleven Doctors that’ve been cropping up. Those problems can be dealt with in-text – but to do that, Paul McGann would need to be lying through his teeth when he keeps insisting he’s not in the Special. Because I don’t think a line will do it – I think we’ll need to see the regeneration.
(If they’re trying to keep it a big surprise, then he’s lying through his teeth…)
@Bluesqueakpip the Moment is certainly obscure but you don’t need any background knowledge as it’s not a complicated concept (if it is just a Big Red Button).
AG is riddled with references to the Time War, especially in JttCotT. Although, I wouldn’t put it past Moffat to have all of the “war” scenes in the trailer to be from the prequel available this Saturday (even though it would be a shame to miss out on that in 3D)
BTW I think McGann is more than capable of lying through his teeth 😉
@thommck – Tennant regenerating into Hurt isn’t a big problem either. One flashback to initial regeneration, then it completes into John Hurt, CGI’d in. Tennant goes ‘but that’s not what happened!’
Sorted.
As to ‘Time War’ scenes: well, I’m beginning to wonder if the real reason they haven’t had a Series 8 this year is that they took the Series 8 budget and spent it all on the The Day of The Doctor. 😈
The equivalent of $20 million or so isn’t blockbuster-movie budget, but it’s certainly a respectable film budget.
@thommck
I think Moffat’s a skillful enough writer to be able to introduce any concept, be it new or previously referenced. I tend to agree that he will do something new but with knowing winks to older stuff.
And I don’t think the trailer contains too much misdirection. Occam’s Razor and all that.
@Bluesqueakpip Yes, I suppose they could just do what you suggest. A time war doctor just seems like the easier one to get him into the story.
However, that doesn’t explain why 10 doesn’t recognise Hurt in the trailer. Also why Hurt says “I’m looking for The Doctor”. Perhaps Hurt doesn’t even know he’s the Doctor!
If the 2% of the Doctor’s mind kept from the Cyber-Doctor is the Hurt-Doctor, then maybe that explains it. 11 only realises Hurt is the non-Doctor because he saw Hurt with Clara in the timestream, there-by unlocking the memory.
Hurt wouldn’t recognise 10 or 11 if he is an earlier regeneration. If he was 10.5 then he would surely recognise 10! (plus the whole being able to sense another timelord thing!?).
Maybe the more pertinent question is who does Hurt regenerate in to not from.
If Hurt dies in the anniversary (as I predict will happen) they may have him dying in the TARDIS then use old footage of Ecclestone arriving on Earth to join the dots.
Alternatively, they could have 9 regenerating but Bad Wolf interferes; What the audience saw as Ecclestone change to Tennant, could actually have been Ecclestone changing to Hurt. The all-seeing Bad Wolf sends Hurt into the Time War, he dies then Bad Wolf sends him back to change into Tennant?
Blimey, I think I’ve stumbled across a new theory :O
There are just so many timey-wimey possibilities and we don’t even know if we’ll get a clear explanation during the special!
@thommck
When you say 10 doesn’t recognise Hurt, I think you may be reading too much into that clip. The clip may not be actually connected to Hurt’s words, but to something else. For all we know, the phrase “I am looking for the Doctor” may be uttered by more than one character on more than one occasion in the show. Indeed, 10’s reply seems to be geared for laughs, which does not imply (to me) that it is in response to Hurt’s voice.