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  • #66466
    Craig @craig
    Emperor

    @bluesqueakpip @nerys and @mudlark

    I was holding off posting this but I’m afraid that The Mirror is reporting it is the Daleks. And they’ve had a “makeover”. Let’s hope it’s good.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-new-year-special-13698163

    #66468

    @nerys @mudlark @bluesqueakpip

    I was much the same with The Master, which led to a really unworthy thought when Roger Delgado died. In my defence, I was 9 or 10.

    If I were a gambling chap (I occasionally bet, but never gamble) I would slap my cash down on The Sontarans.

    But part of me still wants it to be The Quarks.

    #66469

    @craig

    Worth noting that The Mirror’s record is not good…

    #66471
    Craig @craig
    Emperor

    @pedant

    Yeah, that’s why I said “The Mirror is reporting…” I know they are well dodgy.

    #66472
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @craig

    There are moments when I think the Nation Estate really does have a contract that says the pepperpots have to be in every series. 😈

    Dunno, though. Even if the Daleks are making an appearance, and even if they do have time travel, where have they been buried since the 9th Century? Leftovers from the Pandorica and Stonehenge?

    Zarbi would be fun.

    #66473
    syzygy @thane16

    @pedant

    Whats a ‘quark’?

    Isn’t it a small sub-atomic particle? I wasn’t aware it was a monster!

    The only quark I’m familiar with (and I’m not tagging mudlark because its the spoilers & I do not know if she is on those spoiler or Approved Spoilers pages – and I am also betting Miss Mudlark would know of it) is quark cheese.

    Every time around now Mum buys it and makes fruit dumplings. She’s been making them for years and they are a Czech or Slovak speciality I might mention that in/on The Sofa or The Kebab.

    Also @nerys I was reading your last few comments in relation to the last couple of episodes and they are really spot on. They’ve helped me understand how the characters have grown. @bluesqueakpip I was really interested in your opinions about how the theme or arc wasn’t a “proper” villain but it was the companions, and us, along for the ride, understanding the various definitions of “grace” which, at this embattled (?) time was a good thing of Chibnal’s to do?

    I expect the comments on various youtube fascist channels it’s all hate, all the time. First @nerys mentioned they hated Capaldi, they despised Clara after the first season -maybe because they dislike good looking girls? I don’t think many people hated the actor who played Amy or even Rory? Those who hated Moffat are actually (according to a mate who scours youtube when he’s feeling twitchy) wanting him “back.”

    In the end, no-one’s happy ALL of the time. I think it was probably like this in 2005 -Mum and I didn’t even know there was a show! In 2004 ( iwas waay too young to remember) Mum was touring Cardiff and stumbled onto a set -sort of. There were lots of people watching and you could see actors and cameras and those Director Chairs everywhere.

    The following year she didn’t even see the first two episodes, basically because she was tired but also because she said it looked “all too new and expensive and where are the corridors and creepy things?” She later binged watched the entire series on DVD and loved it -there was some rackety episodes but the one with “Are you my Mummy?” was the one which got her hooked.

    Back then, if she’d wanted to vent her spleen after one or 2 eps she would have. On the net, doing the exact thing she now knows is “dribbly whinging.” Particularly when you’ve seen 1 or three eps and people on social media are quick to say, “we need people to make the decision to fire the writers, remove the showrunner, get rid of the brown people, stop the social messaging and remove the Doctor as a woman because women can’t be doctors.”

    As if the WHOLE world stops because the Doctor’s a woman (finally) and the Master is also! I don’t understand those people. Also  why are they called conservatives? If they’re trying to radicalise television by stopping people like Tosin Cole, or saying “women shouldn’t be in the role as the Doctor” -I don’t see that as conservative. It seems the opposite to me? Is that true at all?

    I should probably put that question in the Pub for others who know way more than me in this area 🙂

    Thank you. Thane.

    #66477
    ichabod @ichabod

    @thane16  Those who hated Moffat are actually (according to a mate who scours youtube when he’s feeling twitchy) wanting him “back.”

    Holy crapolli, didn’t I say so?!  I did.  But you don’t need a crystal ball to see it coming — isn’t it always like that after a hand-off?  Speaking for myself, I don’t actually long for Moffat to come back — I think he got to do his thing and was more than ready to go.  Chibnal isn’t a bad writer — I would just like to see a better Chibnal writing and running DW.  But we don’t always get what we wa-anttt . . . So maybe this is what DW needs?  Sometimes?

     

    #66489
    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @thane16 you don’t know who the quark’s were oh dear oh dear now I do really feel old. You have to go way back to the Troughton era to revisit them. Fortunately I am not quite old enough to have seen the original airing of the story but do remember a rerun the Beeb did though on BBC 2  in the Dominators story

    #66491
    nerys @nerys

    @thane16 “Are you my mummy?/Everybody lives!” (“The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances”) was the two-parter that got me hooked. And then “Midnight” reeled me in once again. I was so convinced that no one could top Tennant’s Doctor that I avoided watching the Matt Smith era for quite a while. We were channel-flipping one day and came upon an episode (I think it was “The Pandorica Opens”), watched it and quite enjoyed it. So then at some point I binge-watched on Netflix to catch up. Lesson learned. Prejudice deprives us of good stuff!

    #66545
    winston @winston

    @craig  I will be interested to see the 13th Doctors reaction to and handling of the Daleks. I have watched all the Doctors  deal with those angry little exterminators in their own unique way and I wonder how the new Doctor will do it.

     

     

    #67770
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Only posted here because you can never be too careful.

    News at last!…

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-07-01/doctor-who-could-air-an-extra-episode-before-the-2020-series/

     

    #67772
    winston @winston

    @blenkinsopthebrave   We can only hope. 2020 seems a long way away.

    #67774
    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave thanks for the info. I hope there is a “Festive Season” special. Dr Who and Christmas just go together. I happened to read some of the associated articles. Pretty cool that The Cure bassist features Dr Who quotes on stage. Also noted the item about Capaldi appearing in Lewis Capaldi’s music Video. We have been seeing that on screen at our “Local” on a Thursday night recently.

    cheers

    Janette

    #67798
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave
    #68081
    janetteB @janetteb

    I stumbled across a “spoiler” quite accidentally the other night. I discovered that Stephen Fry is listed on IMDB as being in the first episode of series 12 due out next year and was a little excited. Evidently they have started production now.

    Cheers

    Janette

    #68083

    Saw a spoiler that the new season will feature Noor Inayat Khan.

    Look her up, if the name doesn’t ring any bells.

    #68087
    winston @winston

    @janetteb   That is great, I love Stephen Fry ! @pedant  Looking her up as soon as I leave here.

    #68089
    janetteB @janetteb

    @pedant  A very interesting woman worthy of a film of her own. Wikipedia link here

    cheers

    Janette

    #68137
    gamergirlavatar @gamergirlavatar

    @janetteb Great news on Stephen Fry, I really like his work. If they really do make an epiaode about Noor Ianyat Khna than I can’t wait to see it. Thanks for the link. It does seem more like her story should be a film though.

    #68138
    Cath Annabel @cathannabel

    Oh wow, Noor Inyat Khan – I’ve been borderline obsessed with her since reading stuff about the women of SOE. I ran a history taster session on the French Resistance and Occupied France with a group of Year 10s a couple of years back and when I talked about her, you could see the reaction from (esp.) the girls in the room. Quite extraordinary. Not that there was any question of me not looking forward to the next series, but now I’m just that bit more excited for it!

    #68171
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Was just idly skimming through IMDB and came across a couple of Who-related tidbits. Mainly in the form of actors playing classic monsters in 2020. There has already been an announcement that the Judoon will appear (apparently in episode 6). But in episode 5 one of the characters is listed as Sea Devil. Hmm. And Nicolas Briggs, already listed as voicing the Judoon in episode 6, is also listed as voicing a Cyberman in episode 8. Now, IMDB can be unreliable, but nonetheless.

    Is it just me, or does one feel parched for Who information?

    #68172
    winston @winston

    @blenkinsopthebrave     I am practically dying of thirst here! Thanks for the little sip.

    #68177
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @winston

    Apparently, the episode that features a Cyberman also includes the character of Mary Shelley. Actually, the idea of a Cyberman, Mary Shelley and presumably the inspiration for Frankenstein, sounds sort of cool. I am trying to imagine how it might play out. Could the Doctor revive a Cyberman…?

    2020 seems such a long time to wait.

     

    #68179
    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave Just what we need, some familiar monsters and Mary Shelley. I have remarked to my S/O that is it high time the Doctor met Mary Shelley.

    Cheers

    Janette

    #68194
    gamergirlavatar @gamergirlavatar

    @janetteb @blenkinsopthebrave I think it would be funny if the The Doctor met Mary Shelley. Alot of people forget that the original Frankenstien was made out of parts from a lab, not dugged up body parts. Cybermen could fall into the inspiration of Frankenstien, however I wouldn’t want this to be a episode too similar to “The Unicorn and the Wasp”.

    I’m also really curious to see if the Sea Devils come back. I’ve been trying to think of a story myself where they could come back (been hitting a dry spell when it comes to writing). I’ve been trying to fit hydrothermal vents into a story with them but they are hards creatures to have mentioned in a story, but that’s just me.If they do come back I hope they were done right.

    #68196
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @janetteb @blenkinsopthebrave

    Aren’t Sea Devils relatives of the Silurians? Could we be seeing a Silurian style makeover with them?

    I believe that the production team have a habit of placing ‘jokes’ into the IMDB cast list, so it certainly isn’t to be relied upon, but it would be great if a writer has come up with something new. Besides, the original costume was No. 1 in the list of ‘Doctor Who Costumes Most Likely To Kill The Actor Inside.’ 🙂

    Mary Shelley sounds fantastic, and is entirely in keeping with Real Life. Her explanation of Frankenstein is as follows:

    When I placed my head on my pillow I did not sleep, nor could I be said to think. My imagination, unbidden, possessed and guided me, gifting the successive images that arose in my mind with a vividness far beyond the usual bounds of reverie. I saw – with shut eyes, but acute mental vision – I saw the pale student of the unhallowed arts kneeling beside the thing he had put together. I saw the hideous phantasm of a man stretched out, and then, on the working of some powerful engine show signs of life and stir with an uneasy, half-vital motion …

    This can easily be stretched into ‘yeah, it was my adventure with The Doctor and a Cyberman, but I can’t talk about it. Just my imagination, folks, nothing to see here, read the book…’ 😀

    #68337
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave
    #68338
    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave I was assuming that there will be no seasonal special at all this year but perhaps something is in the air after all. Fingers crossed.

    Cheers

    Janette

    #68339
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @janetteb Well, given the date, 23 November, I am assuming it will be something demonstrate that they going to embrace the history of the show this time around, which they did rather eschew on their first outing. We’ll see.

     

    #68340
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @janetteb and @blenkinsopthebrave

    My guess is a teaser scene or compilation from the next series, possibly with a broadcast date attached.

    #68341
    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @bluesqueakpip one can hold out hope for news of an Xmas or New Years  special as it’s odd there’s been no real news on the BeeBs Christmas schedule maybe  just maybe they’re waiting to release the news especially as a special over the festive season has become somewhat of a tradition. Though one would have expected some slippage from the good old US networks if it’s true, as I said one can only hope also it’s not as if Chibbers has held to all Who traditions.

     

    #68342
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @devilishrobby

    We could, but I think it would’ve leaked by now. However, it could well be that the BBC’s previous announcement of ‘very early’ 2020 means Episode 1 of Series 12 takes place on … New Years Day.

    Admittedly, Resolution had lower viewers than any previous seasonal special, but the BBC might be thinking that it’s worth seeing if it’s worth trying to establish a new tradition by using the opening episode/seasonal special to grab back some of the viewers who were vaguely interested at the start of Series 12.

    #68349
    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Just been watching an advert for the BBC Children in Need on Friday it appears there’s going to be a Doctor Who segment if past years are any indication there may be news released on the new series or even maybe even a preview of some kind.

    #68355
    geoffers @geoffers

    so little news coming out about the new series, but i found this over on the reddit who sub. and i like it… 🙂

    https://old.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/dvekek/series_12_tardis_minor_redesign/

     

     

    #68357
    janetteB @janetteb

    @geoffers Yes. Agreed. It is toned down a little from the last series and looks more “Tardisy”

    Cheers

    Janette

    #68358
    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Hmmm it actually looks a bit like a giant spider has died and it’s legs are curling in around the Center console 😉

    #68359
    janetteB @janetteb

    @devilishrobby You do have a point. Oh dear there were more than enough spiders last series. (for this viewer who has more than a few too many deadly spiders in the vicinity.)

    Cheers

    Janette

    #68370
    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Darn it what a disappointment was hoping for something more on the Children in Need from the Who team. But on the other hand what a thrill for the young super fan to meet her idol and getting her own sonic screwdriver

    #68372

    @devilishrobby

    Also, Whittaker will be on Norton 6 Dec – and that is sure to be Who related.

    #68445
    FatManInABox @fatmaninabox

    Greetings all.

    I was just browsing the BBC News site and came across this from Oct 2019 regarding the filming of an episode from the new series in Bristol.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-50152072

    While the news story doesn’t mention who the new Dalek was designed by, I’m getting strong MechMaster vibes. For those who aren’t familiar with him, he designs CGI Daleks (among other things) and has done a couple of comics featuring the loveable despots.

    Second Empire

    Trapped in Amber

    It’s breaking from using 4 hemispheres per panel and an atypical ‘bumper’ that makes me think he may be involved in the re-design. It’s either that or someone has been heavily inspired by his work.

    #68446
    syzygy @thane16

    @fatmaninabox

    Great to see you back! I really hope all is well with you? Thank you for the links. There’s been a few on this page in the past month but I hadn’t kept up. So thanks to @bluesqueakpip @blenkinsopthebrave  @geoffers @pedant @cathannabel for links & nudges.

    Indeed:

     Noor Inyat Khan – I’ve been borderline obsessed with her since reading stuff about the women of SOE. I ran a history taster session on the French Resistance and Occupied France with a group of Year 10s a couple of years back and when I talked about her, you could see the reaction from (esp.) the girls in the room. Quite extraordinary.

    That sounds brilliant Cathannabel. I think, equally, your own enthusiasm, knowledge & teaching ability would’ve impressed your students -the way we go about things as teachers, the paths we storm or gentle navigate – have an enormous reaction. I’m saying all this with an eye on young Thane’s teachers. Not all had knowledge or the capacity. So from one teacher to another, a job well done, Cath.

    The new series is nigh…..I am excited.

    Old Puro.

    #68449
    janetteB @janetteb

    @fatmaninabox Just echoing what @thane16 (aka Puro) said. Good to hear from you.

    Cheers

    Janette

    #68450

    @fatmaninabox

    He lives!

    Although clearly not at 100% – you accidentally misspelled pepperpots….

    Do you still have you magic wand of fixing stuff? Only we really need a new sofa…

    #68452
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @fatmaninabox

    “Thank god it’s you!”

     

    #68455
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    @fatmaninabox

    Nice to hear from you again. ::waves::

    Those Daleks do indeed look rather cool. I admit to not being a great fan of the pepperpots, but since Chibnall managed to actually do something new with them for Resolution, I’ll wait and see if the script is as cool as the redesign.

    #68458

    Coming soon to Comicbookland:

    A Ten/ Thirteen crossover in an iconic episode:

    Doctor Who: Blink Gets Rewritten by Time Travel in David Tennant/Jodie Whittaker Crossover in January 2020

    Which explains one bowel streak’s rants. Diddums.

    #69326
    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    Scuttlebutt among the twitterati is the old bloke in the TARDIS at the end might be the Black Guardian. Not sure I like that idea personally and let’s face it, it could be bloody anybody…

    #69327
    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @jimthefish

    Hmm. Well, he looks shifty, he seems to be wearing black, and we seem to be promised a Gallifrey arc, but…why that particular character? If Chibnall is to resurrect elements of Who  mythology, I am not sure that bringing back storylines from the JNT years would be my first choice…

     

    #69349
    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord

    @blenkinsopthebrave

    I was never a fan of the Black/White Guardian malarkey myself. It just made the moral universe of Who too, um, black and white. I think the connections is being made by the all the birds that seem to flock around him and the Guardians seemed to be associated with birds. Plus a being who can materialise inside the TARDIS by the looks of it.

    Personally, I’m not convinced and think it’s a variation on the ‘Omega’s definitely coming back’ rumours that have dogged every series since like forever….

    #69438
    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip

    Okay, I can’t find the interview (the post Skyfall panel at the Paley Centre), so this is basically gossip taken from reports of it, but –

    -Jodie Whittaker has not only said she’s planning to stay for at least a third series, but also hinted that strands of this current arc might continue into that third series.

    What she said was:

    “So these things that maybe feel as if they were in an episode of season 11 and then forgotten about, weren’t. And I think you don’t necessarily always rush to get the answer.

    “So it’s not to say that you won’t discover something,” she added. “You’re not going to be denied. But the beauty of this show is that it goes on and on and on. And so maybe some things, a few, are answered and maybe some things aren’t and I think that’s why you’ve got to keep watching.”

    General comment about the nature of Doctor Who and showrunners leaving stuff for later showrunners? Or did she sign on for series 3 because she knows it’s dealing with the fallout from this current arc?

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