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26 April 2013 at 21:34 #6763
@lula – Ah, yup. We are east of the city, outside Midleton. Suffering through 15 months of winter!! It was spring just the other day, at least..I thought it was. Today is baltic again, with hail! oh, the joys of it all. What brought you here?
26 April 2013 at 21:08 #6758Random pondering that may or may not make sense. Blame it on the faux Mexican food. I need to give up and realise Cork can not offer me true TexMex. 🙁
The Medusa Cascade. It’s a time rift that is somehow connected to Gallifrey. The Daleks pulled the 27 planets there when they wanted to send a blast that would destroy the timelock – or am I getting those confused. Regardless, it is a rift in time and space. It was inside that rift that Ten decided he didn’t want to regenerate and the meta-crisis Doctor came into being – which technically made the hand the 11th Doctor, right? But what else can happen when you send out regenerative energy in a time rift? I don’t know, but could it be Clara?
I watched Matt’s intro to JttCotT today (before the faux mex) and he says something rather curious: that the TARDIS is more powerful than all of us…with a mind of its own and a soul of its own and ideas of its own… How are new TARDIS born? TARDIS coral?
26 April 2013 at 20:03 #6751@phileasf not finished with your list yet, but when you mentioned milk….The Doctor poured himself, and then drank without spitting, a glass of whiskey in Snowmen (dont think it was Brandy??) Clara makes a pointed comment about whiskey in Hide, “11th worst thing”
26 April 2013 at 11:26 #6710@bluesqueakpip – After re-watching the Snowmen, I was inclined to believe, as others have expressed as well, that we are viewing the encounters with Clara out of order. Which makes your theory about the “Young Doctor learning about her past” very appealing! It could also help explain why it seems the Doctor has forgotten the GI, yes?
I’m still not a supporter of the ‘Clara as Daughter’ theory, but I concede its merits. My personal preference about their relationship aside, I do love the idea of new – NU – Time Lords…or whatever they might be! The image @lula grabbed confirming the dual hearts leaves all sorts of possibilities!
My question to those with more Who knowledge: could River have visited Gallifrey?
25 April 2013 at 23:13 #6687I am more inclined to see Clara as a version of River, or … I don’t know. I just can’t imagine they would have included the big kiss in Snowmen if it was a familial relationship. What I can imagine; however, is Professor Song finding a timey wimey way to regenerate.
25 April 2013 at 20:47 #6674@phaseshift @juniperfish – so…the active Doctor is in the mirror universe! Look at how the Doctor is standing in the ‘right’ way POV. He’s downcast.
25 April 2013 at 20:14 #6669Have any of you seen the new clip they released for JttCotT ? I think the Dark Doctor fish will be pleased….
25 April 2013 at 19:56 #6667@haveyoufedthefish – LOL
25 April 2013 at 18:36 #6662@phaseshift @jimthefish @haveyoufedthefish – pardon me while I… nerd out for a second.
Θθ (theta)
Θ represents:
an asymptotically tight bound related to big O notation.
sensitivity to the passage of time in mathematical finance
Θ (set theory), a certain ordinal numberθ represents:
a plane angle in geometry
the angle to the x axis in the xy-plane in spherical or cylindrical coordinates (mathematics)
the angle to the z axis in spherical coordinates (physics)
potential temperature in thermodynamics
the mean time between failure in reliability engineering
soil water contents in soil science
Debye temperature
theta functions
sometimes also ϑ (“script theta”), cursive form of theta, often used in handwriting
the first Chebyshev function in number theoryΣσ (sigma)
Σ represents:
the summation operator
the covariance matrix
the set of terminal symbols in a formal grammarσ represents:
Stefan–Boltzmann constant in blackbody radiation
the divisor function in number theory
the real part of the complex variable s = σ + i t in analytic number theory
the sign of a permutation in the theory of finite groups
the population standard deviation, a measure of spread in probability and statistics
a type of covalent bond in chemistry (sigma bond)
the selection operator in relational algebra
stress in mechanics
electrical conductivity
area density
nuclear cross section
uncertainty
utilization in operations management
surface charge density for microparticleshmm, actually some of those properties are jumping out at me
25 April 2013 at 18:00 #6658@haveyoufedthefish and @lula – Regarding american accent for actors. We are taught to use Standard American, which is unaccented and hyper-articulated. “Standard speech” as it is also known, is spoken nowhere. Most American film actors do not come from a theatre background, so you hear their regional dialect. Whereas presenters and actors with theatre training use SA / SS. It’s the same concept as RP.
25 April 2013 at 15:19 #6649@lula – there are defo two hearts!!!! What are the implications? River Song – a full on Time Lord!?
25 April 2013 at 14:50 #664725 April 2013 at 13:20 #6644an addendum to my own rambling:
First, I admit to being woefully ignorant of Classic Who lore. I have gone back and watched several of the stories, and all of season 26. But thinking of the Doctor’s name as a formula has me pondering…. I normally expect the Doctor to behave in a human way. In a sense, I have anthropomorphised him. Gallifreyan culture and world view must be very different from our own. In human fairy and folk tales, names are often ‘function’ based. As has been discussed here on another board, there is a fun mingling of science and magic on Doctor Who. As a social scientist, I find the ‘hard’ sciences moving ever closer to magic in their discoveries! If the Doctor’s name is functional, perhaps his chosen moniker — The Doctor — describes the function, somewhat: a formula that heals.
25 April 2013 at 12:59 #6642@bluesqueakpip @htpbdet @whisht @whohar
I heard that the Doctor’s name is stated as a mathematical formula in one of the Classic Who series. If that is the case, his name is functional. What if….. his ‘formula’ is used to create / harness a TARDIS – or at least build the mechanism capable of containing them ? There have been many instances recently of the TARDIS behaving strangely, even exploding. The image for the series finale shows a broken TARDIS window. What if the TARDIS dies, or needs to regenerate, and the Doctor must use his name (the formula) to construct a new one?
@htpbdet – My logic about 10 possibly thinking River a Time Lord was tied to the notion of his name being a key to undue the time lock. Who else would be around to witness that, but another Time Lord. It was a long shot. I am intrigued now with a different line of thinking, namely this discovery that the Doctor’s name is a forumla.
24 April 2013 at 19:41 #6603@htpbdet and @juniperfish – Be still my heart!!! I knew from the tone of the Doctor’s voice, and the words he chose in SitL when speaking to River about her knowledge of his name, “there’s only one time I could,” that it was a weighty and non-celebratory event, as mentioned above, “why the name should or should not be evoked.” If he used his name to seal the time lock, to make the Moment….. then uttering it would be a significant event! And if undoing the time lock is the event – which could potentially lead to the end of the universe (as the Time Lords were about to do that, in order to save themselves), I can see why the Silence would want the Doctor to remain Silent! Also, it would mean that Doctor 10 thought River could potentially have been a Time Lord – another reason to give her the burial he did? (didn’t Time Lords on Gallifrey get uploaded into the Matrix?)
Either way, this new possibility as a use of the name is terribly exciting!
24 April 2013 at 17:48 #6598*******spoilers **********
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@Shazzbot – they came from here : http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis-teasers-48077.htm
and it seems others have been working on these and figured them all out, revealing some most intriguing messages!
These are the cryptic hints and the solutions others have offered:
200805 13151419200518 0919 / 117 122 110 114 111 114 122 105 32 104 108 110 118 115 108 100 – THE MONSTER IS familiar somehow
“…oFTenThINGSarEHIDdEN INPlAiNSItEULOOKCArEFuLlY” – TIME CRACK24 April 2013 at 17:10 #6592Spoiler space, discussing spoilers, do not read, we are discussing spoilers
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Are there any cryptographers among us? I am pitiful with these things. I thought the first batch of letters was unicode. “”WKH GRFWRU PHHWV WKH GRFWRU” But a friend posits it could just be a substitution cypher. He suggested something like H=E, W=T and k=H, and guessed at the phrase, “THE DOCTOR MEETS THE DOCTOR”Sadly, he is occupied and can’t offer suggestions for the last cypher: 200805 13151419200518 0919 / 117 122 110 114 111 114 122 105 32 104 108 110 118 115 108 100
24 April 2013 at 11:47 #6583Possible spoiler….Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS trailer that I had not seen (
and I seem unable to embed the youtube video…booOh, ha! It showed up!)24 April 2013 at 11:36 #6581Spoiler space, discussing spoilers, do not read, we are discussing spoilers
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@bobbingbird !!!! all the numbers!!! “she” died, and it was his fault???? the Eye sees!!!! Holy Mackerel!!! More ghosts!!!24 April 2013 at 10:35 #6577@bobbyfat – I like your thinking! silence vs song
It fits with many of the motifs, i.e., ghosts, love, the past, the future, memories. He is tossing out so many clues and pathways, I feel saturated.
24 April 2013 at 10:30 #6576@bobbingbird – I have not heard this about the voice! I wonder who’s voice it will be??
24 April 2013 at 10:21 #6574Clara as Mary Poppins. While watching Snowmen I automatically connected the two. When BoSJ finally aired, I was eager to look for this connection in her more ‘modern’ portrayal but got sidetracked. I’m back now to considering this. It’s interesting to note that the Mary Poppins adventures took place over a total of eight books. There are eight episodes in 7.b, with the thoroughly modern Clara.
Someone else here (sorry, am not finding the reference) already mentioned the carpet bad that is bigger on the inside.
@scaryb has noted the umbrella connection.
Chronologically, the books are ‘out of order.’ Adventures that happened during the time of books 2 & 3, are written about in book 4.
She arrives with the East wind, and departs with the West…but only after the children have learned their lesson.
She is utterly unexplained. In other words – Impossible. (in addition to being pert, witty, vain [hello TARDIS reference, “the only image you would esteem”], and high energy)
23 April 2013 at 22:53 #652923 April 2013 at 22:46 #652522 April 2013 at 18:20 #6392Holy Mackerel!! (no offense intended to the local fish)
So many clues!! He is tossing them overboard right and left.Harvey Oswald
Now the king of Cumbria Oswald – OswinRed and Blue everywhere – in everything
and rose – either displayed literally or writtenWhat an exciting time!
22 April 2013 at 12:53 #6373I was just informed that “when Clara was in the TARDIS alone the vortex was completely red, not the usual red/blue”
:goes to re-watch:
22 April 2013 at 12:45 #6372@bluesqueakpip – That’s a wonderful description of how important Clara is for a re-boot, and the Doctor finally (?) looking toward the future – or at least, being present and putting his past behind him.
So, this new theory (redshift and blueshift doppler effect) is a NEW way of viewing the blue / red theory, isn’t it?
@juniperfish likened the red bow-tie to “good” Doctor, who travels with companions who keep him ‘in check;’ while the blue bow-tie Doctor is icy, unfeeling and travels with no companions. According to this theory, the significance of the Doctor deflating the blue balloon in Hide foreshadows his growing darkness.
According to this new “blueshift’ theory, the blue represents the present or the future (possibilities), while the red represents retreating objects, or the past.
Do these theories harmonise?
22 April 2013 at 11:47 #6363Hold the Horses…or the wagons, or whatever that saying is. If Clara is the show AND the producers / writers, and the 50th year is paying homage, as it were, to the past while looking ahead to the future, then it’s Clara, not the Doctor, who dies again – and very soon! Where are we with Hide? Number 4 ? This theory could support the blue / red colour theory, as proposed by @juniperfish . The future death (again) of Clara brings us firmly into the realm of blue bow-tie Doctor! Though we know she comes back, because the show did…in 2005.
OH!! and what happens metaphorically when the show goes silent..or dorment…. The Time War. And that is when our Doctor goes full on BLUE.
22 April 2013 at 10:41 #6358@badwolf99 – I’m kinda liking your theory. It was mentioned several times in this ep that paradoxes, by and large, resolve themselves. What if that is exactly ‘what’ Clara is (hence the Doctor not asking ‘who’): an unresolved paradox. Simple as that.
22 April 2013 at 10:00 #6352eep!! Plagiary! My career as a Doctor Who Theoriser may be over! I failed to cite my source on that pic. It was not my eagle eye, or my eye heavily influenced by chocolate martinis (alas), that spotted the mention of ‘rose’ – which, by the way…”roses are red, violets are blue.” Any sign of violets in the eps?? Anyway, I found the pic in my facebook feed. It was DoctorWho247, who ever that is, that spotted it.
22 April 2013 at 08:20 #6347@juniperfish
But @Feralcast noticed that “our” universe was represented by the blue balloon in the Doctor’s demonstration to Emma. That’s not good. That means that, presently, in “our” universe, ice in the Doctor’s heart is coming.Oh, no! Does this mean Clara is about to die, again???
21 April 2013 at 21:56 #6324more rose imagery
21 April 2013 at 15:00 #6275Incidentally, it was the bow-tie which was used to tie-shut the doors to the ‘heart’ of the house – the music room.
21 April 2013 at 14:46 #6272Also of note, in reference to the colour red: the item used by the Doctor to tie the first, or outside door, of the house closed, when he and the time traveler were running from the Crooked Man, was a RED cord of some sort. The camera stayed on it for a moment too long to be insignificant.
21 April 2013 at 13:36 #6265Oh! When the Doctor drew the circle around the ‘cold spot’ and then soniced it…it began to smoke. When the portal appeared, I immediately thought it was the circle the Doctor had drawn. That he knew he was making a portal.
21 April 2013 at 13:32 #6264What if Clara is not connected to River at all? Well, other than perhaps River knowing who Clara is because she was present at ‘the only time [the doctor]could’ say his name. I am going to throw a completely different idea out. What if Clara is someone from Gallifrey – but not Susan? Is it conceivable that ‘love’ split itself through time and space to reach the Doctor – the ‘monster’ who needs a companion?
The TARDIS shows Clara her own image because it is the only one that Clara would ‘esteem.’ That is a great little slap – but also a sort of test. Sexy then explains that she will die if she travels to the pocket universe, which means Clara would, too. But Clara doesn’t hesitate – she is still following her Mother’s memory, and the promise to ‘always find’ her (which was said in Cross’ RoA).
So many delightful parallels.
All the mentions of love. We know that so many love and have loved the Doctor, but who does the Doctor love? Are his hearts capable of feeling that emotion anymore? In each of these episodes where love has been discussed, what I see in the Doctor’s reaction is an intellectualization. And the mention in this week’s ep to a sliver of ice…. his heart is ice – not easily touched. It’s time for the Doctor to let himself feel again.
20 April 2013 at 18:54 #6156Oh, my! What a great show! It had bits of everything, in addition to be fast paced and exciting. Was that seriously the eye of harmony??? And I absolutely didn’t expect the psychic to warn Clara about THE DOCTOR!!! and did anyone else pick up that bit about LOVE being able to send out a call across time and space, so that it emerges in different times (I need to go back and see exactly what those lines were)? I couldn’t help but think that Clara IS the Doctor’s call for help – or someone who loves him very much (like River), sending out a call across time and space!!
19 April 2013 at 21:13 #6094@Shazzbot – Regarding Clara’s POV…. that is a really interesting idea. What about a new crazy theory! Could all these “storybook” or “action film” episodes actually be Clara’s dream? I was initially convinced the Doctor was dreaming these “adventures” while being held by the Silence, but I’m losing my resolve.
The story points that stand-out to me:
1. the Doctor’s coldness/distance toward Clara after the initial rush to find her in his Monk garb (to me, his behavior reads as distrusting and keeping at a distance)
2. the distinctly ‘fictional’ tone to the episodes.
3. the generally inpersonal tone of the eps – at least between the Doctor and Clara
Overall, I am excited beyond belief about the upcoming episodes. Promotional art and news are being released in such a way as to make the whole thing feel ‘epic’ and much larger than an episodic.
19 April 2013 at 20:17 #6084On the Cold War thread, someone (who I won’t tag here, in case they don’t want to read spoilers) mentioned again how the strange shot with Clara regaining consciousness on the sub indicated POV. What if all these episodes are really her dream? That none of these adventures are actually happening, and *that’s* what we discover in the finale? It is certainly a rather impossible idea.
19 April 2013 at 15:29 #6073Huffington Post in the US is reporting that Matt is leaving. Their source seems to be The Sun (not so reputable). Any thoughts? Am I missing something?Never mind, this is old! A friend just emailed it to me – aghast. Please go back to your tea, now. 🙂
I personally don’t think Matt is leaving….unless, Clara is actually the next Doctor!!
19 April 2013 at 14:10 #6071@htpbdet – I found it on BlogtorWho
19 April 2013 at 10:49 #6063@juniperfish – There is no way his name will be revealed. Simply can’t. But I am loving the delicious build-up! The ep airs 18 May, and here’s the story synopsis: “Someone is kidnapping the Doctor’s friends, leading him towards the one place in all of time and space that he should never go.”
19 April 2013 at 10:34 #6060
19 April 2013 at 10:32 #6059Yikes!!! The Name of the Doctor !!!!
18 April 2013 at 14:12 #6023@bluesqueakpip The idea of 11 in the sitting room when River comes down, melts my heart!! Some part of me wants a ‘happily ever after’ for River and the Doctor. I know, I know!
I just saw the new batch of posters for the upcoming eps, and I continue to be struck with their fictional quality. They feel like ‘stories.’ I recently watched The Mind Robber, and it featured an ‘intelligence’ who enjoyed putting people into ‘stories.’ Regardless of the current plot or story arc, the feeling evoked from each one of these episodes so far is that I’m watching the Doctor and Clara in a ‘story.’ The reviews have even mentioned the nod to various films….
17 April 2013 at 17:53 #5967Biggest spoiler of them all – from filming today:
https://twitter.com/HWBCymru/status/324573847074516993/photo/1
17 April 2013 at 16:00 #5957New Theory –
I am putting this here because my theory involves the spoiler that Zygons have been spotted on-set for the 50th filming. So….zygons are shape-shifters who must keep their subject alive in order to impersonate them. Clara is a Zygon!!
16 April 2013 at 20:52 #5843@juniperfish – Oh, Yummy!!
16 April 2013 at 16:01 #5775Colliding TARDIS theory – It couldn’t have collided. River was parked, behind …something, and inside the TARDIS when she exploded in TPO. How could another TARDIS have collided with it? We have seen the TARDIS materialise within itself before, so two versions of itself being present in the same place can’t be problematic. thoughts?
15 April 2013 at 21:31 #5703@bluesqueakpip (spelling errors abound) Hmm, The Mind Robber….there is an intelligence in that episode, as well. Might he have the twine in his pocket to find his way out of the mental maze of …. dalekisation??
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