BBC approved Doctor Who series 9 spoilers and trailers

20 February 2015 in Trailers, 296 comments

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This is a blog where we can discuss official BBC production-team approved spoilers. It exists so that those who wish to be utterly unspoilered can avoid them.

Just to be clear, this is only for official info leaked by the BBC that will have been approved by Steven Moffat. Any other spoilers from any other source should be posted in the Spoilers thread found here: http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/spoilers-2/

As @Lisa and @fatmaninabox posted yesterday, the BBC has announced that Missy will be back!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/6a78885d-e0b1-49a0-b7e8-cecba867a99f

@Lisa wondered if that is a vortex manipulator that Missy has on her wrist in the video.

NEW TRAILER PUBLISHED 9 JULY 2015

NEW TRAILER PUBLISHED 12 AUGUST 2015

AND A BRIEF TRAILER FOR EPISODE 1. ADDED 5 SEPTEMBER 2015


296 comments

  3. Whew. Returned home Thursday morning to the new trailer and have spent an enjoyable few days recovering from the vigours of travel and catching up on the discussion which keeps racing ahead as I read.

    Sometimes midway or towards the end of a series I rewatch the trailer and marvel at just how unrelated to the final product it really is. They are mostly a clever edit of out of context material with the express design of misleading the viewer. But who can resist the fun of bonkerising especially with so a long wait until the series airs.

    Naturally on watching the trailer I leapt to the obvious conclusion, that M.W. plays a regenerated Susan. I agree that the “blue Boringers” explanation is by far the most likely however but no fun at all when it comes to theorising so,,. If Maisie does play someone familiar from the Doctor’s past I think, given the episode titles, it will more likely be Jenny. The other, most teasing, possibility is that she plays someone from the Doctor’s past whom we don’t know about, another family member, old friend from the academy perhaps, someone of significance. Maisie is highly unlikely to be a recurring character but I think they will use her for a major not a minor character, a “once off” with greater significance to the story than a simple in episode character.

    Cheers

    Janette

  6. Hi @janetteB.

    I’m afraid I have to agree with the boring theorists that her character will not be anyone we know.  (Above silly theory notwithstanding. Last year I would have proven that  M.W. is playing Adric.)

    The main reason I reject Susan or Jenny is that both original actresses are still around and it just seems pointless to me to have the same character post-regeneration.   Particularly with Carole Ann Ford.

    Not that I wouldn’t be among the shameless squee-ers if she didn’t put in an appearance for a regeneration scene!  😛

     

  8. It’s okay to post images from the trailer, right?
    Just an observation…

    Multi-faced creature from the trailer

    His face is so wide, he needs three mirrors. 😯

  9. @Brewski BTW we are all pretty clear that MW is being the “Magician’s Apprentice”. And that got me thinking that it might be Romana in a regenerated form she took on the role of someone who was sort of learning from the doctor a bit like an apprentice.

  10. To add to tardisstowaway‘s point, here is Steven Moffat from a week or so ago in an interview at an event in Beverly Hills reported in the LA Times. The key point in his quote might be the last one!

    “Joined via satellite by stars Peter Capaldi and Jenna Coleman, Moffat tackled “Doctor Who” rumor after “Doctor Who” rumor, greasing the wheels for the new season set to premiere this year in September. The first rumor blasted? Williams’ much speculated role that we got a tease of in the new season trailer. 

    When asked by the crowd who Maisie is playing, Moffat’s response was fairly cautious: “I can’t really tell you,” he said. “I think once you see what she’s up to in the show you’ll appreciate what a clever idea of Brian Minchin’s — that was [my co-exec] who thought of Maisie for this part. It’s a significant role. We’re not throwing her away. We’re not just getting star value and doing nothing with it. It’s a great part, and she’s terrific in it. But, I would say, it will develop in unexpected ways.” 

    Addressing one specific Williams rumor, Moffat got direct. “One thing I think is worth saying because it keeps coming up as an issue,” he said. “She is not playing a returning character. She’s a brand new character. She is not someone from the Doctor’s past.… Unless I’m lying. Aye.”

     

    All of the story is here: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-stephen-moffat-maisie-williams-doctor-who-role-20150731-story.html

     

  11. @CountScarlioni That’s so frustrating how come Moffat always has to be so dramatic and question what he say’s at the end. I wish he’d just give us a full clue and tell us if he’s lying or not. But anyway if he is lying I have a different theory that MW is playing the Master’s daughter. After all if the doctor can have children so can the Master.

    P.S. @CountScarlioni I love your picture

  12. @tardisstowaway

    I’m not sure if he’s doing anything wrong. After all, he coined the phrase “the doctor lies” and I think SM has to -all the time! If not, every single thing is taken apart and there’s a sense he’s colluding with writers and actors to ‘lie’ when, really he’s allowing us just enough information to be teasing  -and I think this is a good thing. Who really wants to be spoiled if you’re a proper fan? 🙂 I like your bonkers theory, BTW.

    I think MW is the daughter of Rose and 10’s human form stuck in another dimension.

    This was water cooler talk at the hospital and I’m owning it!

    PricklyPuro.

  13. I think this is going to be an astounding year for the Doctor.

    I loved Mat Smith. For whatever reason he still remains a great favourite in this house. The avuncular combined with the gently mysterious, hugging Doctor with a bright tenor voice.

    But upon re-hearing the Trailer for the upcoming series on The Guardian channel -or it might have been from the LA Times – I see and feel a whole new Doctor!

    His deep, mellifluous tone is what lures me in. His description of  evil, luscious almost: “I want to kiss it” is so magnificent, so deliberately arch but without the unnecessary flamboyance of previous doctors who did ‘arch’ in a way that made some of us cringe back in the ’80s: I now love it.

    I think it was Pip who said that the Doctor became a “12 year old” at one point and whilst I loved that: the twirling, giggling, almost embarrassed Doctor (when it came to River and himself as seen in the Battle for Demon’s Run) I do prefer this shrugging, non-apologetic Doctor just as much. Gone is the tight, short hair do from the previous series, the eyebrows are not in battle mode but the voice! It’s extraordinary: a real balance of Scottish (as we Ozzies have trouble understanding anything north of London, apparently) with English and so tunnel deep and resonant. I can imagine bits where I’ll just close my eyes without needing to see the telly images. Anything beyond the voice will just be an added bonus.

    And of course, that face (should I want to open my eyes) somewhere between a scowl and a grimace. Lovely. He really seems to have found his place, and now that Capaldi’s regeneration is fully cooked I can’t wait to see how he pours oil on his enemies -or kisses them with delight instead.

    40  more days?? Good heavens.

  15. @purofilion — Thanks for that — yes, the voice: it’s a beautifully tuned and flexible instrument, reaching lower registers that Capaldi as himself rarely uses in conversation (as much as I’ve heard, anyway).  I’ve noticed in a couple of interviews that PC speaks tenor, mostly, even if there’s gravel in it, and on occasion, with a bit of a nasal whine that might be a Glasgow specialty.  But CapDoc is something else again: there’s what sounds to me like a bass-baritone depth in play, a definite part of this Doctor’s character.  And it tells you that, childish as he may sometimes be, this Doctor is a grown-up, not a kid, and yes, he does remember who he’s been.  The voice includes the “hidden Doctor” Capaldi spoke of recently — the part of him that’s seen the past *and* the future, and knows “everything” — but that he normally represses (probably so as not to go completely crazy).  Capaldi talks about the “toy box” of the Who universe; his Doctor, though, has seen plenty of the darkness and pain in that toy box, too, as that stark, even confrontational stare from a somber face reminds us.

    As he PC said (at ComiCon, I think), “The Doctor’s not a *guy*!”  Peter Capaldi is, himself, a guy, and apparently an uncommonly sweet and funny guy at that; the Doctor is (right now) the embodiment of a sort of extended miracle of group-talent and insight, gracefully carrying and expressing the complex weight of all that accumulated and energetic creativity.

    That’s how it looks to me this a.m., anyway.

     

  17. New trailer posted at the top of the page. All I can say so far is WOW and…

    MISSY with a DALEK!!!!!

    Not sure of some of the CGI (especially the dragon). Hopefully it’s just because it’s not quite finished yet.

  18. So 20 seconds into the new trailer is a scene with Maisie and a ‘lion like’ creature
    which reminds me of the alien that Romana left TomDoc for. So now I’m thinking that Maisie
    might be the return of Romana from E space with her alien ‘lion-like’ companion?
    I’ve only watched this 3x since posted 😉 of course

  19. @lisa   Is that a lion creature with Maisie, or a *painting* of a lion creature in some kind of heraldic-looking regalia?  Looks 2D more than 3D to me, but I’ll just have to drive myself into going back and looking again (oh, the horror!  Yum).

  22. @Ichabod No I think its a creature inside of a window and at 43 seconds he’s blowing fire.
    Very curious about that cylinder thing at 23 seconds. – I like the way the Doctor
    apologizes to the Tardis for being late! I wonder if inside his head he ‘hears’ the Tardis
    speaking back to him sometimes.

  23. @lisa  Ah, I didn’t make that connection — I’m not a big fan of fire breathing creatures, myself, because that’s one of the things that makes my brain immediately come up with questions like, “What’s the fuel it’s using, and where is it stored?  And what’s the ignition point, and — ?”  All of which yanks me out of the story (like flying things-that-shouldn’t-fly, like horses — or people: where’s the muscular development that should be anchored on a big keel bone to give a chance for the leverage it would take to lift a body that large, let alone propel it through the air at speed?”  Silly stuff, since this is *fantasy* more than science — but still . . . And *why* would a lion-creature need to breath fire, when a simple lunge with extended legs and claws will take it beyond the range of — ”  Oh, forget it!  Rationalistic mind needs to know when to SHUT UP, so the rest of me can have irrational fun.

    Has this Doctor — or for that matter any Doctor ever apologized to anybody else for being late?  I think maybe the TARDIS’s standing just rose a few notches . . .

  24. The guy with the horizontal lines across his face could be (ok I’m reaching here but
    cant seem to ‘control the roll’ so to speak) a headless monk before they went headless?
    ok – I know !!!!

  25. OK, first impressions.  A dragon, a Zygon (which we already knew), Daleks (inevitably), the Maisie Williams character in a Viking (?) context after her appearance in the last teaser as a (?)highwaywoman, Missie being coy, and a call out to Pan’s Labyrinth.  Fasten seatbelts for a bumpy, and with any luck a mind bending ride!

  26. Well, that’s looking awesome. Not sure about the dodgy-looking dragons (although I tend to think all non-Skyrim based dragons look a bit dodgy). But Capaldi’s Doc seems to be exuding a new confidence and bravado compared to the self-doubt and reserve of last year. Good to see the retro-Daleks too. Hope that they’re a bit braver in putting them front and centre than they were in Asylum.

    Really looking forward to this now.

  27. @Craig thank you for that. Absolutely wonderful trailer.

    Is it Clara in red lipstick holding a large cylindrical gun? If so, in her dark clothes and with her hair up, she reminds me a bit of Missy. When her hair is down and without cosmetics, Clara looks very young  indeed.

    Still, I’ve mad the cardinal error of watching it once, so this really is a first impression. I love the hands -the ones which appeared to rise up out of the ground of say, Flanders Fields, but now they have eyes. Hands with eyes: ‘Eyhands’ or Heyes pronounced Highs. Yep, or just hands with eyes, really.

    And walking, mean letter boxes. Now that’s terrific because all mail unless it’s fun letters, is terrible these days: bills, cheap papers  and unregistered and unaddressed spam in my snail mail letterbox. I can see why people would want to wipe them out and why they’ve had to become a random enemy!

    @mudlark I’ve yet to catch Pan’s labyrinth? Must look again. Fire-breathing dragons are pretty fun @Ichabod. I always liked Smaug -from the book, of course, not the wholly unnecessary 3 films (of a book which was 6 times shorter than Lord of the Rings!)

    @lisa good spot indeed of the ‘lion’. I remember that episode from a long time ago -a very long time ago!!

    @JimTheFish Certainly the Doctor seems fully in control now. I also like the idea that he’s got a distinct connection with the Tardis: River possibly did too. The idea there’s a empathic’ creature’ there is great. So, really, he’s not travelling alone. Not completely, anyway.

  29. I love the eyes on the Tardis TV screen -or one eye, anyway.

    Enjoying Maisie Williams costume/historical placing.

    And Clara with red lippy and a bun sort of reminds me of Missy prompting me to think (for a pico second) that Missy is Clara in some weird timey whimey thing and that’s why the Tardis always groans around her. But no, obviously not. Her mystery as the Impossible Girl is ‘solved’.

    I would so much love to know about a) the thing under the blanket in Listen and…

    b) Orson and why he looks so much like Danny – unless some other relative of Dan’s happened to be involved with someone else in the distant future and Danny passes the toy soldier to the ‘ancestor’ of this particular person a long time before he meets Clara. It was a small gesture and therefore not something he’d ever have told Clara.

    Does anyone have theories about the Orson/Danny situation because nothing’s appeared in the trailer although we have Clara in that orange space suit – from the previous trailer?

    It’s interesting comparing the two, actually. The hands from the graves in trailer 1 are now ‘enemies’ as they have eyes. I wonder if this is the result of the cyber ‘mist’ wotsit that fell over all the graves subsequent to Missy’s plan in Dark Water or if this is a distinct and separate ‘thing’. I think it’s the latter, personally. Nothing ‘cyber’ about hands with eyes: ‘Heyes’ <<*\*>>

  30. BTW – In other places people are saying that those are the classic Daleks and
    the Supreme Dalek. The last time we saw Mr. Supreme was in Stolen Earth with Davros
    when they all get blown up. Also, there is some consensus that we are seeing a view
    of Skaro. So what I’ve been imagining is that we get a story that’s pre-Stolen Earth
    which would be outstanding especially (maybe) with Davros in it — how does that work?

  31. Yay. Just what I needed to bring the smile back to my face after a gruelling three hour workshop on grants applications. I have watched twice already and suspect a few more re watches are required. It appears that there are some interesting new aliens to be met and Daleks, naturally, but my first impression is that this trailer isn’t giving too much away in terms of story info. I have not read the comments yet so I am certain to be missing lots.

    cheers

    Janette

  32. @purofilion  The reference to Pan’s Labyrinth which I noted was in fact the eye in the hand – one of the more disturbing images from that film.  I have not, in fact, ever seen the whole of that film, although I came across it mid way through when I was channel-hopping on the TV once.  Some day I hope to get round to watching the whole of it but ….  so many films and DVDs to catch up on, and so little time.  Sigh.

    Or  maybe we should be thinking in terms of Odin’s missing eye, as discussed earlier  😕

     

  33. Sooooo, at 0:22 we see that tube like in the TARDIS that goes up and down and makes that sound, and at 0:40 we see Clara running to a police station, could that be some sort of TARDIS, like someone made himself a tardis (MIssy maybe, or little Stark girl?)

  36. @mudlark ok so the heyes are from Pan’s Labyrinth: I get it now but it terrified me so I didn’t actually watch it – I actually thought it was holes in the hands -not heyes, so, I got that wrong!  But yes, back to Odin -now that’s interesting. Mmmm. “I loike it” she says with Oz accent on full.  30 something days….!! 🙁

    Skaro does look incredible @Wolfweed -good to see you about the pages!

  37. @purofilion   After yet another viewing I managed to freeze the image of Odin, who I see is flanked by two of the clunky steam punk robots/armoured warriors, so the latter presumably fit into the Viking story.  Odin’s  missing  (?)  left eye is shielded by what looks like a prosthetic device with an aperture glowing a sinister red.

  38. @lisa

    I would be thrilled to see the Leonines of E-space again!!! I love the concept of E-space — “not a parallel universe, more like a perpendicular universe.” And the Leonines were beings more time sensitive than Time Lords…

     

  39. I think it must be terrific fun to be on the team that puts these trailers together. Now that I have read all the clever people’s comments, I will go and watch it again.

  40. Another freeze-frame watch (this is getting obsessive, but it keeps me occupied while I sip a pre-prandial G&T)

    The steam punk warriors/robots are certainly in the Viking episode:  there is another glimpse of them against the background of a Viking longhouse.  So too is the dragon: to the left of it and the doorway which frames it is a timber post decorated with Viking style interlace/gripping beast carving.  So, Odin – or some entity posing as Odin, steam punk warriors, a dragon and whoever it is that Maisie Williams is portraying.  Much more intriguing than daleks, to my mind – even daleks and Missy in combination   😉

  41. @mudlark Yes on Odin – I think that’s what the shot in trailer #1 is, of a male face (big, coarse looking pink nose, metal visor with a red light slot across, and fly-away hair) early on — if so, that one in trailer #2 is just a double of the first, only with the mailbox men flanking him.

    So now we have Maisie Williams in two costumes — one is an 18th c highwayman from trailer #1, tricorn hat, lacy cuffs, and antique pistol. In trailer #2, she’s with Clara and both are wearing what look like costumes to go with a Viking village — long sleeved blouse, wool-inside leather vest, colorful but plain embroidery.  I think she’s also in that costume in the shot with the Lion-guy (her hair is up and braided there, as in the “Viking” shot with Clara).  Maybe Clara and the Doctor meet Maisie first with the Vikings, and then she turns up again stopping the Doctor’s coach at night in a plaid-pants episode sans (beautiful) pomegranate-colored coat . . . “You!” Amazement and the stirrings of alarm, because — WTF?  Who knew this kid could *time travel*?!!

    And that tall, shrouded thing (trailer #2) walking towards us in a sort of hallway (0.32) has weird, possibly scaly, sharply tapered fingers — which look a lot like the fingers of the hand reaching downward for the Doctor’s face at 0.27 *exactly* — this goes by so fast, you need stop motion to freeze it or you probably won’t see it.

    Tell more about the lion guys?  I don’t remember them at all, but this one looks wonderful!  Very “Beauty and the Beast”, the old French film version . . .

     

  43. @ichabod   I was a bit dubious about the identification of the possible Odin in the first trailer, but there is no doubt in the second.  Either it is Odin or an Odin lookalike, complete with missing eye and winged helmet, or someone wandered in from a production of Wagner’s Ring cycle   🙂

  44. Liked the Dan Martin piece. I agree about the Daleks. Totally must include a Dalek
    somewhere in every season.

    @Ichabod Its the more matured, wiser Tardis! Not a younger adolescent model and
    I’m inclined to say that there is a cache to that! 😉 However I agree that having
    Perkins drop by for a Tardis tune up engagement and/or some running around with
    the Doctor would be very interesting and fun!

  45. @Mudlark

    or someone wandered in from a production of Wagner’s Ring cycle

    … my money’s on the opera singer driven insane by Wagner’s interminable bloody operas. He’s invented a time machine and is now going back in time to change events so that Richard Wagner is never born. To do that, however, he needs to acquire a ring of power…

  47. @Bluesqueakpip   YES!  Please!  Funny thing, though, I have to admit — I’ve come to like a good deal of Wagner’s instrumental music, as long as nobody is shrieking or droning in front of it.  This may be my way of sneaking around the horrible effects on me of having to listen to the Ring cycle as a kid because my unpleasant stepfather adored it.

  49. @Bluesqueakpip

    Wagner is not as bad as he sounds. Or so someone once said when I sat thru 4 days of the Ring Cycle. I ate and drank. A lot.

    And there’s the Tristan and Isolde chord…. pretty good  🙂

    @Mudlark

    I’ve only seen it twice. I’ll have to put it into constant replay mode -or hook it to the telly so the pictures are bigger

    @Craig thank you for the link. Will look forward to reading that today.

    Again, a far cry from the nutty facebook comments on a cooking show I started watching. Don’t ask me what lame idea I had there -that it would prove social media entirely decent? That I’d learn to cook a little better? So far, it’s just a place for nasty chefs to be thoroughly mean and for Australia to support them whilst screaming at anyone who remotely disagrees. Anyway, I’m stark raving….

     

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