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    winston @winston

    @oochillyo   That is a good episode and fine with me but give me a few more days because my house is full of company and time is limited. I will watch it next weekend probably and then we can discuss it. Such fun!

    Stay safe.

    janetteB @janetteb

    I never tire of watching Fires of Pompeii and so will watch it some time this week so that I can join in the discussion. I have been a bit AWOL recently, lurking as always but not posting so will be a nice prompt for me.



    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    Hmm, Fires of Pompeii.   Was there any other episode that featured a future Doctor *and* a future Companion in other roles?   (I don’t know of any, just curious).

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    In my crawl through NuWho I’ve reached The Time of the Doctor.    I can’t help but feel this is the weakest of the three ‘Doctor’ eps (Name, Day, Time). It has some good elements but it seemed a bit disjointed. The explanation for the Silents (as a heretical breakaway sect headed by Madame Kovarian) seemed weird, but religious sects often believe daft things. The truth field on Trenzalore was interesting, but hardly used.

    I liked the Church of the Papal Mainframe and I loved Tasha Lem – fascinating woman. And she evidently has a ‘history’ with the Doctor – I would have loved to see a bit more of that in other episodes. And, she knows how to pilot the Tardis. Thereby foiling the Doctor’s scheme to park Clara safe back at home. Never works, didn’t work with Rose.

    I found it a bit unlikely that the Doc could hold off the Daleks and Cybermen for so long. Though telling the truth (but not the whole truth) to defeat the wooden Cyberman just shows that you can tell the truth and still lie like a bastard.

    Once again Clara saves the Doctor, that’s the second time in three episodes. The NuWho Doctor has been saved by every one of his Companions so far, I think. I wasn’t aware that the Doctor’s regeneration energy could be weaponised, but maybe the Time Lords added a bit of oomph for the benefit of their old enemies the Daleks.

    So, a passable ep, but not my Top Ten.

    janetteB @janetteb

    @dentarthurdent I think Fires of Pompeii is the only episode to feature a future Doctor so it is unique in that regard.

    Agree re’ Time of the Doctor. It is trying to tie up too many threads and does not really work as a story. Moffat is brilliant at creating stories but not so good at resolving them. Maybe had he more time. This episode probably would have been much better as a two parter.



    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @dentarthurdent yes there was at least 1 pre gap  story that contained a future doctor can’t remember exactly the story’s name and to my shame can only remember that it had ironically Colin Baker playing a Gallefrayan Citadel guard. If my memory serves I think it was a DavidsonDoc adventure.


    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    The episode is called Arc of Infinity , I think its a pretty cool ep , havnt seen it in a while and it didnt stand out to me as much as other 5th Doctor eps I have seen so far mayby cause it was slow in places ect but the ideas are interesting I think and yes its cool that you seen Colin Baker in the ep 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey everyone 🙂 I have been going through a few eps in Series 2 today very interesting watches and new perspectives , series 2 gets a lot of flack cause of eps like Love and Monsters ect but I dont think its overley deserved.

    I watched Girl In The Fireplace then Love and Monsters and just finished watching Fear Her 🙂

    GITFP was really nice to experience again now with sort of fresh eyes, yes I know whats gonna happen on a general level from reviews ect but it was great getting the full picture 🙂 the mystery of it all especially the at the start was really nice.

    It must be an amazing ep on first watch , loved the little details like how the camera was framed on the ‘robot’ when Rose was waking up and her blurred vision started fixing on the ‘robot’ very intimidating in a fresh way too 🙂

    Loved the little touches like the crew’s body parts being part of the ship, the broken clock (that scared me soo much when I was young 🙂 ) and the ship being named after her lots of speculation can occur 🙂

    Lots of funny and great lines like – ‘yeah well I am The Lord of Time’ , ‘I’ve come to fix the Clock’ , ‘The Doctor and the Monsters, seems you cant have one without the other’

    The ending was sad I nearly cried as the full experience hit me especially with the lovely yellow glow in the Palace and the bond between The Doctor and Madame De Pompadour soo sweet and clever , its a clear as day why he really liked her and wanted to travel with her even in the slow lane 🙂

    LnM was very eye opening it was just fun sweet and a great way to show an ep like through Elton’s monologues/filming 🙂

    Elton was a great great character very funny and sweet, I would love it if he becomes a companion in the future

    The ending was a bit wack we could cut some of that out and it would be lovely, I feel like the ep should have ended just before Ursula spoke to Elton in the room.

    The alien’s human form Victor Kennedy was actually very cool yes weird and scary as usual but a character with depth even though he just wants the Doctor but who doesnt haha 🙂

    Loved the music in the ep especially Mr Blue Sky 🙂

    Everything was soo fun just fix a few parts like the weird ending and its much better than its reputation 🙂

    FH was pretty nice to sort of cool things down after the other two eps , The Doctor seemed off quite a bit and the Council guy really grasped information he shouldn’t trust soo easily or even know about from like a linear point like how does he knows certain things if nobody told him or he knows where to be but again its a bit like jumping through hoops.

    Yes all that sounds like I hate the ep but I just wanted to get down the wonky parts before I forget, on the other half   a lot of things made sense for example why the creature is alone and what that means for it and everyone on the street, Chloe’s fear of her Father showing up in her nightmares even long after he has passed.

    I liked Rose’s determination at times and her working out the solution.

    Not sure what else to say I just liked the ep a lot more than previously and its kind of an ep to just watch and relax you know, there is more I could say but I think hearing others thoughts on it will help me focus my thoughts 🙂

    GITFP –  10/10

    LnM – 8/10

    FH – 7/10

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    Girl in the Fireplace was an excellent episode.   I loved the bit where the Doctor was about to read Reinette’s mind and she read his.    And the sadness of the Doctor’s return being 7 years late, the Doctor always had a tendency for inaccuracy in his targeting.

    And the reveal at the end which showed exactly why the misguided repair droids thought Reinette’s brain was the missing part their ship needed.

    Love & Monsters was at its best early on, when it showed the little group of Who fans forming a little social club.   Quite sweet.   (Reminds me a little of this forum, though obviously we’re more virtual.   Did online communities exist when L&M aired?)    The ‘monster’ was pretty naff though.

    winston @winston

    @dentarthurdent   I also like the first part of Love and Monsters. I thought it was so nice that this group of people got together for one reason but became friends who shared so much more.  The silly monster reminded me that the show is made for children.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @winston Love & Monsters, I was actually a little sad when the Absorbaloff ended the idyll of the little social group. However, the show may be made in part for children, but of all ages. Probably better to call it a ‘family’ show. That certainly didn’t prevent it from getting quite dark at times, for example – well just about every second episode, come to think of it. Cybermen were pretty horrific, think of the fate of Bill Potts. Or Dalek ‘duplicates’, humans who have been taken over by the Daleks. Or just the death toll in The Parting of the Ways.

    winston @winston

    @dentarthurdent  I agree that the show is  for all ages and is more a family than children’s show.  It would have scared the heck out of me as a child and when my kids were young they were very sensitive viewers and I probably wouldn’t have let them watch a lot of it. One hour of cybermen or daleks would have meant hours of scared kids refusing to go to sleep.

    The show has so many layers that kids and adults can enjoy it. One of the reasons it is so good.

    Stay safe.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent


    The way I look at it, Doctor Who is written for adults but suitable for children. By that I mean it has the level of plotting and acting that I would expect in a good adult series, it simply avoids too much focus on themes unsuitable for children.

    What attracts me to a series is good writing and good acting. Original situations and interesting characters and dialogue. And I have a liking for black humour and irony. Occasionally I burst out laughing with delight when a character delivers a particularly telling line.

    Nothing loses my interest faster than a scene where I can predict the entire dialogue in advance.

    Doctor Who offers plenty of opportunities for, as you put it, multi-layered plots. Of course the time travel / sci fi element helps enormously in making this possible. My favourite example is the diner scene in Hell Bent where the dialogue in the diner scene is ambiguous, and it clicks sharply into focus when you know (at the end) that it’s the Doc who lost his memory.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Hi all, have any of our other British members spotted the strange 5 second Dr Who ?preview/advert that has being aired on BBC1. All it consists of is a kind of fuzzy testcard and a couple of words by Jodiedoc  and lasts a max of about 5 seconds.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    Went looking, but found nothing. Is it on the BBC 1 Doctor Who site, or just randomly on BBC1?

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @blenkinsopthebrave its not on the official site but randomly on the BBC1 channel usually immediately at the end of programs and in the evenings. I think I’ve seen it 3 times now the first time I wasn’t sure it’d actually seen it . Its almost like when they are showing a brief teaser clip for a series in the weeks  prior to a new shows start but without a coming soon or actual start date. Given the new series has to be either starting soon in order to be finished for Christmas and a New Year special as we do know it is only 6 episodes long if they are holding to a Special at New Year. Of course given they have started the new series’ after the last 2 New Year specials this may not be the case and given that we know this is to be Jodies last season  plus  the 3 Special episodes this may be the case though it will obviously mean we will have essentially gone a whole year without a series. This is not without precedence as this is practically a repeat of the end of Tenants tenure.


    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @ blenkinsopthebrave just googled  when is the new series starting  and on of the responses came up with an article which seems to back up what I’ve seen saying a brief teaser has been seen prior to the BBC’s One Show leading fans to believe the new season is about to start. Unfortunately I’m a bit nesh (read crap) at including links , tried to  post the appropriate link but took us no where it was suposed to but there is a radiotimes article that would support a pre-Xmas release

    Doctor Who series 13 release date | Dr Who cast, theories, trailer – Radio Times


    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    Thanks for the info @devilishrobby. For something Chibnall describes as “epic and ambitious” it does seem like a rather minimalist advertising campaign, but who knows?

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Agreed, it does appear a low key ad campaign, my current guess is that the season 13 will launch either 13th or 14th November. That puts it 6 weeks before Xmas with the last episode landing the weekend before Xmas-day and a little under 2 weeks before New Years Day. It’s also just over 4 weeks away which may be why the low key first teaser with there being a ramp-up in the weeks leading to the launch. The other option could be the season could be ending New Years Day with the final episode being a longer episode to form this years Special, obviously  that increases this buildup teaser period but still works. Well  that’s my thoughts at the moment without more concrete info it’s all I can actually say.

    Mudlark @mudlark


    Re your post 72157:  that is the first time in many years that I have seen/heard anyone use the word nesh. In fact, I don’t think that I have ever known anyone other than my family use it. I’ve always assumed that it was northern English dialect, since my father’s family were from Lancashire/West Yorkshire, and my mothers from Cheshire, with a small infusion of Welsh and Lancashire.

    On the other hand, I’ve never come across it in the sense you use.  In our usage it always had the very precise meaning of ‘extremely sensitive to cold’ or,  by extension, being afraid to go out in cold weather. If you felt it necessary to bundle up in excessive clothing when going out in winter, you were ‘nesh’. I will have to look it up in a dictionary of dialect 🙂


    Mudlark @mudlark


    Just to say that I have greatly enjoyed reading your commentary on your marathon re-watch of Doctor Who episodes.

    Given that I have spent the greater part of the past two years mostly housebound I had the ideal opportunity to do something similar, but for some reason I haven’t. In fact I have watched very little television of any kind, and instead have spent the time obsessively reading, while the programmes I record to watch later accumulate. Funny how one reacts to such situations.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    Hey, thanks  @mudlark!

    It’s been a fairly relaxed marathon, I’m just slowly working through them.   I watch very little TV, most of what I watch is DVDs.   Or Youtube, much too much Youtube.   And I have a stack of things ex Youtube on my hard drive to ‘watch later’.

    Mrs D watches quite a lot of TV, but now we have a smart TV, she’s discovered Youtube and she just tends to follow where the algorithm leads, sometimes with bizarre results.   We’ve seen rather a lot of funerals, too many birthing videos (why do people feel the need to put their most private moments on the Internet for strangers to gawk at?), a whole series of a tolerable Hmong-language sitcom (without subtitles), currently a lot of movie-length Nigerian soaps whose actors seem to think that emotion is best conveyed by shouting at each other.   I manage to screen out most of these with my laptop screen up and heapdhones on.     Being a Cook Islander, she also likes Rarotongan/Tahitian music videos, which are much more pleasant.

    I do have a huge stack of books waiting to be read, too.


    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    Deep Breath.   So, I’m on to Capaldi.

    This was an entertaining opener for Capaldi, with assistance from the Paternoster Gang and some lovely quirky Doctor quotes.

    Don’t look in that mirror – it’s absolutely furious.
    You all sound all – English. You’ve all developed a fault.
    I’m Scottish. I can really complain about things now.

    Strax was funny as ever –
    May I take your coat?
    Clara: Not wearing a coat.
    Strax: What’s that? (pointing)
    Clara: Clothes.
    Strax: May I take your clothes?
    Clara: Probably not.
    Strax: Are you wearing a hat?
    Clara: It’s hair.
    Strax: No I think it’s a hat. Would you like me to check?

    I love the way the Doc and Clara are psychoanalysing each other in the restaurant on the assumption that the other placed the ad. And the Doc actually got Clara to say ‘Nothing is more important than my egomania.’ An oldie but it works every time. Clara and Capaldi just work perfectly together, even when they squabble. Especially when they squabble.

    Half-face man is a really good creepy villain. The moments when Clara is face to face with Half Face Man and holding her breath are truly scary. And facing down the Half Face Man when he was trying to extract information from her – Clara was magnificent. But – did he jump or was he pushed?

    And this time, the Doctor did come back for Clara. Under that craggy exterior there’s a surprisingly perceptive alien consciousness. “Clara, I’m not your boyfriend.” Clara: “I never thought you were.” Doctor: “I never said it was your mistake.”

    P.S. On the Series 8 DVD set is a half-hour Q&A with Jenna, Capaldi and the Moff. And Jenna commented how truly scary the actor for Half-Face Man could be on set, in a robotic non-human way. Also of interest was an argument between Capaldi and Moff on the merits of Mondassian cybermen – could this have been the origin of the Cybermen in World Enough and Time?

    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey @dentarthurdent lovely review as usual 🙂

    I love that The Doctor hints to knowing the ‘robot’s’ from somewhere but since he has newly regenerated he can’t quite pin it, well they are the ‘robot’s or the same model from Girl In The FirePlace which I have recently watched.

    I love this cool detail it makes the world feel connected and I like to think they are the original landing on Earth or starting in the Victorian Era, maybe The Doctor didn’t stop them all as I dont know what the ‘promised land’ is so some could have survived and trying to locate their leader in the promised land they used technology of the area or future tech to build their spaceship or mayby they were picked up by the crew as like working robots and we sort of catch up with their story in GITFP as they are running out of parts to fix their ship which may be traveling to the ‘promised land’ like the robots in Robot of Sherwood and since the Computer is very damaged they have become lost.

    Yes some parts may not work with GITFP like why the Ship is named after Madame De Pompadour perhaps the crew were her ancestors and named it after her and the robots were integrated into the system so thought Madame De Pompadour was key to their ship but their overall mission was reaching the Promised Land, what do you all think of this idea 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @oochillyo    Actually the identity of the ship was addressed specifically in the episode.   There was a piece of control panel (or something) labelled “SS Marie Antoinette     Sister ship of SS Madame de Pompadour”.    (Actually, I thought the second part of that was kind of excessive, normally the Moff gives us credit for joining up the dots ourselves).

    So they were both time-travelling space liners from the same era.   SS Madame de Pompadour had crashed and the repair droids had succeeded in opening up time windows on Reinette’s era and were waiting till her brain was properly matured to fit (presumably in place of their damaged master computer).   SS Marie Antoinette had crashed aeons earlier and its droids had, with the passage of time, patched themselves up with human bits and lost all sense of mission except reaching the ‘promised land’.

    (There are loose parallels with the Grebulon ship in Mostly Harmless (the fifth book in Doug Adams’ Hitch-hiker trilogy).   Their master computer had been destroyed by a meteorite which also knocked out the damage sensors so the robots carrying the backup computer fell out of the hole left by the meteorite.   Which left the remaining crew, when reawakened, trying to reconstruct their memories).



    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey @dentarthurdent oh I must have missed them mentioning there was two ships thank you for highlighting that to me 🙂 , my idea is just an idea but it could still fit even with what you say, the Mother ship lets say could have been built over time by the original robots or the ship of the crew that maybe took them in, at some point the Sister ship which could be the original is lost to them through eons.

    Its like with game consoles lets say you have the ps3 as the original, then you update it with the ps4 but you dont have to kick out the ps3 if its still useful however over time it could get lost or forgotten like the original ship.

    When re watching the ep my interpretation of why they need Madame De Pompadour’s brain complete and are waiting is partly cause they believe she is the key to their ship cause its related to her in various ways anyone could discuss like we have but I think they just need the brain like fully wired its not the shape of it she’s 29 ish or something when they begin the invasion to take her, the brain stops psychically growing when your 18-20 but you can still form new neuron connections all through your life it just gets tougher when your older thats way its easier to learn a skill when your young like learning a language or instrument cause they brain is more flexible and adaptable.

    I think they are waiting for Madame De Pompadour’s brain to have enough neuron connections and to be basically fully formed stable lets say to ‘drive’ their spaceship or tell them how to fix things as their central control.

    Some creatures dont have a brain and you can take away half your brain for medical reasons such as treatment for epilepsy if your very young like 3 years old and you’ll be alright in your life cause the brain can adapt as the Doctor says The Brian is the most powerful thing in the universe so I reckon Madame De Pompadour’s brain will be capable to use as the central control unit or whatever in their ship when she is old enough especially as she seems to have telepathic abilities which may need time to develop and provide additional storage capacity or something for their ship’s central control unit.

    Overall a really fun and lovely ep with many strands we can discuss 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @oochillyo    Well, the ship is actually named after Madame de Pompadour.   So the droids, having cannibalised the ship’s crew for parts (so, it seems their cousin droids in Deep Breath weren’t actually doing anything new), just wanted ‘one remaining part’ – Reinette.   I don’t think they were operating with a deep knowledge of neurophysiology, I think they were just going by ‘part numbers’ – one Madame de Pompadour central nervous system required, one located.    They obviously didn’t realise that this would just kill her.   At least that’s what I think.   I could be wrong, they may have had access to amazing technology that would allow them to successfully wire her brain into the ship.   I don’t think that was clarified in the episode.

    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey @dentarthurdent I think by them waiting and monitoring her brain it implies they know it has to stay in Reinette’s head for it to develop but as you say its a bit unclear if they realize what chopping off her head would do to her and if they care about that, mayby its not their fault since its not in their function to care about people or what life means they are just adapting by harvesting the parts of the crew to fix the ship.

    I am glad we are having this conversation and I hope I am not coming across as tearing your ideas apart 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @oochillyo   Yes, it seems fairly clear that the droids think they have a mission to perform, and don’t care about collateral damage.   In fact they don’t even recognise that collateral damage might be a thing.

    This was evident in the following exchange:   REINETTE: I have seen your world, and I have no desire to set foot there again.
    DROID: We do not require your feet.

    Very literal-minded, these droids.**

    I’m happy to talk about these things and no, you’re not tearing my ideas apart and anyway, it wouldn’t matter if your ideas contradicted mine.   It might be better to say that contrary ideas make me re-think mine to see if I’ve argued correctly.   It’s part of the reason this forum is interesting.   Also a lot more civilised than (some of) the Youtube comments pages     🙂

    ** Reminds me of a verse from Kipling’s Song of the Machines –
    Remember, please, the Law by which we live
    We are not built to comprehend a lie
    We neither err, nor pity, nor forgive
    If you make a slip in handling us, you die

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Woohoo did anyone else seethe next teaser on BBC1 just prior to Strictly Come Dancing definitely a Who Ad lasted about 15-20 secs still no start date but mentioned sontarians and the Weeping Angels dint see it all as was busy with the Family  so wasn’t concentrating on it 100% but given the spacing I’ll expect another teaser/trailer next Saturday and there will probably be a repeat of this one over the next week


    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Just did a bit of web surfing, and although the BBC 1 trailer/teaser didn’t give any dates evidently BBC America is saying the world wide launch of Season 13 is October 31st.

    hoping this link to a yahoo news article which gives more info works


    robbs2015 @robbs2015

    Hello good people, I have been an avid fan of Dr Who my entire life (a lot of years !) Around 2009 I purchased a Dalek, stands about 50mm high, is voice activated and can move around a flat service. Apparently manufactured in China and sold by a company in Oldham, UK.  I’m having issues with the electronics and was wondering if anyone can assist with information or leads to groups or anyone that could further my search for assistance

    thank you

    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey @robbs2015 Welcome to the Forum if your new here and I hope you enjoy all the things and discussions that can be found here 🙂

    I am not too sure what your Dalek item is, it sounds remote controlled and I have no wiring or circuit board skills ect but hopefully someone here will help you out 🙂

    I tried searching and the best I found quickly is this –


    I can keep looking for you if the link isnt helpful (and maybe with more specific info for instance an image or the item’s sort name we can all find the solution quicker) but I wanted to start the process of finding the solution quickly for you 🙂

    Take care stay positive about it we will find a way 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @devilishrobby Thanks for the link! Back on Hallowe’en–I wonder if there is a Halloween allusion? Anyway, it will be good to drink in some Who after a very long dry spell.

    MissRori @missrori

    I think it’s nice that they finally confirmed an airdate, but at the same time it’s sad to see how the nerdy entertainment crowd out there has hardly reacted to the news (and most of the reaction has been dismissive).  DW just doesn’t seem to mean that much anymore in a world of Mandalorians and Stranger Things.  And about halfway through this run is when The Mandalorian‘s third season launches, so DW doesn’t have much time to hook the press once it starts airing.  But we’ll see…

    (Also, I thought we were getting 8 episodes followed by 3 specials?  The press articles can’t seem to decide if it’s 6 or 8….)

    robbs2015 @robbs2015

    It is a shame indeed – I can only think DW is seen as quite passive compared to the same modern genre but I think DW was huge in 2013 on its 50th anniversary and will outlast the current competition.

    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    Does anyone know what the ‘have you seen the aliens’ terms and conditions is about on the BBC Doctor Who site.
    My only guess is that it’s some kind of quirky way of telling us about the sites updated terms and conditions but I would have thought it would have just restated the current BBC website T&C’s


    Anonymous @

    Hello Whovians,

    I’m not sure I’d call myself a Whovian, but my son sure is. He just turned eleven, and he’s pretty obsessed with all things Dr. Who. I’m looking to connect with other parents of young Doctor Who fans. Anybody out there with a youngster who has a collection of sonic screwdrivers? Or, like my son, is building their own?

    For grown-up fans, did any of you connect to Dr. Who as kids?


    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey @PenelopeGates Welcome to The Forum I hope you like it here there’s lots to check out and talk about 🙂

    For those in the community that are parents or Grandparents to young Doctor Who fans are you looking for something specific these individuals can offer or like general chat ?

    I just wanted to get the ball rolling to safe you time and make things clear for everyone 🙂

    Take care hugs 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Anonymous @

    Oh Hi Declan,

    Thanks. I guess ultimately, I’d like to find a way to connect my son with other Dr. Who fans his age. Right now he doesn’t know any and while his friends don’t mind his obsession, it seems like he could really connect with a kid with mutual interests. He runs a Dr. Who Minecraft server, but I’m always wary that the other players are adults.

    For the record, he’s also really into Harry Potter and Star Trek.

    Oochillyo @oochillyo

    hey @PenelopeGates , I understand you want the best for him and like for him to connect with others, not sure if there are many people around his age on this forum but maybe its worth a try to connect him with the community here (we are all really friendly with lots of Doctor Who passion) and see how that goes.

    Obviously everyone is different, if it was me I would have loved this community when I was younger just as much as I love it now but that face to face connection with others who share his passion is still really important to have soo keep trying and encourage him with that but there is always room here just like in The Tardis for a Doctor Who lover 🙂

    Regards – Declan Sargent

    Missy @missy


    I’m alone here I know.  But I am not surprised about the lack lustre response for the next series.

    Perhaps when the REAL Doctor returns, things will be different.

    Still my opinion. *grins*


    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent


    You’re evil.   But you know that already    🙂

    Maybe RTD will be able to revive it – again.

    Missy @missy


    Damn! There’s me thinking I was being subtle. *winks*


    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @missy what on earth do you mean the real doctor, though I do agree RDT’s return might repair the damage Chibbers  lack-lustre  story writing seems to have created. If RTD had been in charge for Jodies stint I feel her tenure would have been so much better. Not that I have any issue with the Timeless Child concept in general terms,  I’ve always felt that the Doctor was something more than your usual Timelord so discovering that he/she was really a primordial archetype for the timelords wasn’t really too much of a shock to the system for me. I have watched who since the Pertwee era and have had the pleasure of watching earlier episodes when they were repeated (those they had ) one BBC2 in the late 70s , early 80s and I felt there was always hints that the Doctor was more then.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @devilishrobby   With much better scripts and much stronger direction, Jodie might have been a more credible Doctor.   She’s reputed to be a good actress, but (IMO) that doesn’t really show up in Season 11.   An ancient alien from outer space? – nah, just not convincing.   Also, companions.   Too many of them, and they all have the same accent as the Doctor – howcome?    In NuWho at least, the companion has been as important as the Doctor – Rose, Martha, Donna, Amy, Clara, Bill.   And they have all challenged the Doc on occasion, in fact the interactions between the Doc and unruly Companion have been a major source of interest.   But I just can’t get enthused over Ryan the dweeb, Graham who’s hung up over Ryan, Yaz who looks like she could be intelligent but has nothing to do.   Too many, so none of them have much impact.   Grace was the one who showed the most promise and she promptly fell off a crane.

    Also, I find strong female companions more interesting than male ones (is that sexist?   Don’t care  🙂     But that doesn’t actually preclude a female Doc, I don’t think the Doc’s gender matters too much in that respect.    Think Madame Vastra and Jenny (now Jenny would make a good Companion).


    Devilishrobby @devilishrobby

    @dentautherdent I agree having a companion or companions who compliment or more accurately push or challenge the Doctor is important it’s been stated in the past that the Doctor works best when he/she has companions. Remember Who started out with multiple companions, and I have always felt male companions seem to be stronger or fair better when they challenge the doctor,  either challenging the doctors accepted morality of a situation or asking what is so to speak. To a degree you are right in saying Female characters seem much better when flying solo with the Doctor though there have been disasters in my opinion in the past take Bonnie Langford and Colin Baker (ok CB was considered by most to be the poorest Doctor in the pre gap period) but that pairing just grated on my nerves. As you have possibly alluded to Graham,Ryan and Yaz may have been better if they had allowed to be stronger characters especially Yaz given she was supposed to be a police-officer. In part I think starting with a clean slate when Jodie started was partly a mistake though given the way Bill left it would have been difficult for her to have continued on.

    winston @winston

    I think I have to say that JW is the real Doctor whether some like it or not. She regenerated right in front of our eyes. and then fell to earth. For many people including my granddaughter she is their doctor.

    @dentarthurdent  There have been many great companion\ doctor combos through the years and that relationship is the most important in the series. The companion is us, asking questions,pushing the Doctor to be her best and going on a wild ride through time and space in a blue box. Maybe 3 were too many at the same time and it was hard for us to get to know them, I don’t know. But I think Yaz is a strong ,independent women and the relationship between Ryan and Graham was just what you would expect from mourning family members.

    We are getting a new series and a new companion and I can’t wait to see where we go next.

    @blenkinsopthebrave   William Shatner has boldly gone where no 90 year old Canadian has gone before. He is a  Canadian treasure!

    Live long and prosper.


    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    @winston Well, yes, of course JW is the real Doctor, just as T’nia Miller (from “Hell Bent”, who played the General on Gallifrey) would make an outstanding Doctor. But yes,  JW is obviously the real Doctor.

    Ah, Bill Shatner…Today, he sent out a message calling for the protection of old growth forests in British Columbia. Who could not support him? But,…when Leonard Nimoy died, he couldn’t make it to the funeral, because…well, for some reason.

    But at the end of the day…yes, there is something strangely loveable about him.

    Dentarthurdent @dentarthurdent

    @devilishrobby Was ‘starting from scratch’ with JW and her all-new companions a mistake? I don’t know that it was, after all Eleven (Smith) started out with a brand-new Amy, and that worked fine. I must admit I found the change from Ten disconcerting at first, but within an episode I was hooked on the story.

    @winston I think just one principal Companion is inherently a much stronger set-up. I know that technically, Rory was also a companion, but it took a while before he became significant and (sorry, Rory fans) Amy was always the primary companion; the relations between the Doctor and Amy, and Amy and Rory, were always more significant than between Rory and the Doc. Similarly with Rose and Mickey, and Clara and Danny.

    @blenkinsopthebrave T’nia Miller (the General’s female incarnation) would make a good Doctor. While we’re speculating, how about Orla Brady (Tasha Lem, Mother Superious of the Papal Mainframe) or Eve McIntosh (Madame Vastra). Or, of course, Michelle Gomez, but that’s obviously impossible since her character is so strongly established. I’m just enjoying myself speculating.

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