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    Missy @missy


    That’s fair enough. Not everyone liked PC. You cannot help how you feel.@nerys:


    I realize that for most, this question doesn’t have a rational answer, because our love for the series isn’t imbedded in the rational, but in the emotional. So it’s hard to pinpoint why we want and need certain things from whatever it is we love, and why we feel we’ve been failed when those things don’t deliver, or the payoff isn’t what we expect.

    Exactly! Why couldn’t I have said that? With me, when emotions take hold, I become almost incoherent. I too liked Christopher Eccleston and those two episodes. I found it very amusing when they used “Are you my Mummy.” in at least two other episodes.


    We have those nasty little spiky things here too. they call them “bindies.”



    ScaryB @scaryb


    Islands are great, I don’t need convincing. Thanks for the pic, it looks stunning. And yes to “I Know Where I’m Going”, a bit dated, but still a great film (not watched it for ages, thanks for the reminder).

    Stay cosy.

    PS The downside of islands and ferries:


    Craig @craig

    Hi @karenmarie, @scaryb is right, it’s the Profile Picture you want to do. Just upload your image, drag the corners to choose your crop, then click crop image and it should save.

    It should be instant. If you have any more problems please let me know. It could be the format, but it should handle standard picture types such as .jpg .gif and .png

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip



    That reminds me of getting on the Calmac ferry to Iona one time and discovering that every single one of the crew were wearing hard hats. 😉

    Fortunately, it’s only a ten minute crossing, but it was certainly a bit … bouncy.

    Anonymous @


    Thank you Craig and Scaryb and Nerys. I think I have done it. I will know when this message is posted if my picture will show. I have a hard time with all this millennial stuff but I am learning.(smile)

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip


    It worked! It worked!

    Welcome to the forum. 🙂

    Anonymous @


    Thank you. I’m happy to be here. Your handle is my childhood nick-name backwards. I was very small so people called me pipsqueak. LOL

    nerys @nerys

    @missy Exactly! Why couldn’t I have said that? With me, when emotions take hold, I become almost incoherent. I too liked Christopher Eccleston and those two episodes. I found it very amusing when they used “Are you my Mummy.” in at least two other episodes.

    This is something I try to remember when I read posts by others who don’t love what I do. The pivotal term is “love” … obviously not a rational reaction, but an emotional one. So of course we don’t all love the same people, places, things, for the same reasons. It helps to understand how uniquely human that response is.

    janetteB @janetteb

    @blenkinsopthebrave Yes I wish I was there, but not on the cruise ship. I don’t need converting to the wonder of islands either. Various islands and they feature very highly on my “go to” wish list; Hebrides, Shetlands, Lofotons, (Norway). @bluesqueakpip It was perfectly calm when we took the ferry to Iona. The boys feed crisps to the seagulls while I was photographing the shore, the seagulls feasting on crisps and more shoreline. good memories, (better than the photographs sadly)

    @karenmarie welcome. Those are two of my favourite episodes. I really like Chris E. too. It was a pity he only left after one series but having heard why I respect his reasons. So like him. but had he not been so good we would not now be looking forward to another series of Dr Who. His performance was crucial to ensuring the success or failure of the “revival”.


    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    ah, but that photo was not of a cruise ship, it was the (admittedly large) car ferry that goes between the island and the mainland. A couple of weeks back Mrs Blenkinsop and I took the (very small) car ferry (which only holds a couple of dozen cars and only takes about 30 minutes) to one of the other smaller islands for a day trip. As I commented to her (and I admit the joke is getting increasingly stale after repeated use): “Why are we never invited to Captain’s table?”

    What lies behind that line is that I would hate being trapped on a cruise ship with people you would never want to be with under any other circumstances. I mean, let’s face it, getting through Christmas dinner with certain members of the extended family can be hard enough…

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    A few years back Mrs Blenkinsop and I were in Perth, Australia, for a conference, and decided (in a fit of lunacy, as it transpired) to get a ferry out to an old convict settlement on Rottnest Island which is a few miles off the coast of Western Australia in the open sea. We were travelling with a good friend from Canada. The trip started off well enough, and then the conditions changed. It was a very small passenger ferry. The ferry went up and down over each wave at an angle of about 45 degrees. All three of us remained silent. But as we caught glimpses of each other our complexions were positively green. We all knew–just knew–that we were going to die. Meanwhile, the children on the ferry were squealing with delight. As we got off the ferry, an adult behind me said to his wife, with a genuinely deep intensity: “I’m not going back.” I know exactly how he felt. Of course, at the end of the day, when we re-boarded, the sea was like a sheet of glass.

    Nonetheless, I am never, ever, going on an ocean voyage again.

    Missy @missy


    Bouncy? You should try the Bay of Biscay – or have you?


    Rottnest island a? Notorious for cutting up rough, one of the reasons we’ve never bothered. The other being that there really isn’t anything to see.


    ichabod @ichabod

    @blenkinsopthebrave   The ferry went up and down over each wave at an angle of about 45 degrees. All three of us remained silent.

    Funny effect, that; I was once on a teeny tour boat heading out from Juneau for an exploration of Tracy Arm, I think it was, and the stretch of open water that we had to cross was absolutely horrendous (well, to my eyes), just like that, with great heavy cloaks of water slashing across the windscreen of the captain’s — well, station, boat was too small for a separate cabin).  Captain, an old guy with hearing aids in both ears (those engines!), seemed unconcerned, remarking this was nothing, but that if the glass up front broke under the weight of the waves, he would have to turn back.  I remember looking back at the shoreline and thinking, we’re really going to die out here within sight of land?  What a filthy trick!

    But nobody else — we were about a dozen tourists — said a word, til we hit smooth water again.  Nobody threw up, which was amazing, although there were outbursts of suppressed panic when we got close to the Glacier up there, surrounded by icebergs, and the captain kept stepping away from the wheel to take photos with a massive and very expensive looking camera.  We all knew that he was taking us *way* too close in — one sizable calving off the face of that glacier and we’d have been flipped like pancake — but hey, he was the captain.  And it was a great trip.


    Anonymous @


    I agree. I was skeptical when I heard the series was coming back, Tom Baker being my favorite doctor and all. But when I saw that it was Chris E. I was delighted. I remembered him from a movie called Shallow Grave. He out shined everyone in the movie and they all did a smashing job.

    By the way, why did he quit?

    Mudlark @mudlark

    Hi, everybody!

    Late to the party as so often, but it’s been a hectic albeit highly enjoyable week, spent in an atmosphere of familial harmony and goodwill but with little time for TV of my choice.  In the end I was able to watch Twice Upon a Time on Wednesday evening*, but there has been no opportunity to digest what I saw or reflect on my response until now, and it really needed at least a second and more tranquil viewing, which was achieved earlier this evening, and an opportunity to read through all your comments on the episode to date – in itself a very rewarding exercise.

    Knowing how long it usually takes me to order my thoughts into comprehensible prose, any post commenting on the episode which I started now it would probably take me until stupid o’ clock in the morning (UK time) to finish, so I’ll leave it until tomorrow.  For now, let it suffice to say that I was not disappointed.


    * My sister-in-law was thoroughly bemused.  She seemed initially to be under the impression that we wanted to watch an episode of ‘House’, and didn’t seem much the wiser after my brother and I attempted to explain Doctor Who to her.  She was born and brought up in India and has lived in France for the past 44 years, so her ignorance on the subject is understandable, and a timely reminder that not everyone has been touched by the phenomenon that is Who.

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip


    Yes, I have tried the Bay of Biscay. In fact, I lived there for a while, when I was a child. 😉

    If we’re going for the Rough Seas Hall of Fame, the Irish Sea has a well deserved reputation for snap gales, high waves, and flying if at all possible…

    janetteB @janetteb

    On the subject of wild seas of all the channel crossings I did back in my travelling days I only once encountered rough seas. I was reading Brideshead Revisited, the storm on the Atlantic chapter at the time which was apt. I felt as though I was on the same ship as the characters. Had a rough voyage from Le Harve to Ireland once but the worst crossing was from the Lofotons back to mainland Norway. A few weeks later I read a novel about characters making the same crossing in similiar conditions, only they were do it in a boat made of skins the story being set in the stone age.

    @mudlark sounds as though you had a lovely Christmas even if there was insufficient time to devote to the most import thing, Dr Who. You are fortunate to have lots of family. Ours is rapidly diminishing. I have not yet had time for a re watch but I think this might become my favourite of all the Christmas Specials, especially as it touches on the Christmas Truce.


    ScaryB @scaryb

    Great to hear all your stormy crossings tales. I tend to work on the basis that the Captain/pilot/driver doesn’t have a suicide wish, and is experienced enough to what’s safe… but then you can never be 100% sure 😛

    @janetteb That sounds very disconcerting! And similar to a recent experience I had, on a rather bumpy flight, watching Interstellar as the spacecraft started to disintegrate! Eek

    ScaryB @scaryb

    Just came across this on Twitter… dismantling the Tardis.  My heart is broken!



    wolfweed @wolfweed

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Hiker @hiker



    As long as we’re watching videos! Can’t get too much PCap.


    wolfweed @wolfweed
    winston @winston

    I just wanted to wish everyone a happy New Year!  New year , new Doctor ! 2018  won’t be 2017 so that will be nice.

    Have a great Who Year. Sorry I couldn’t help myself.

    Anonymous @


    HAPPY NEW YEAR Winston and everybody out there !!!

    Craig @craig

    HAPPY NEW YEAR to all you lovely people. What an exciting one we have ahead.


    wolfweed @wolfweed

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Part 1 of 3 of new interview…

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Weirdly the video’s been pulled, so here’s the extended podcast…

    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord

    @wolfweed — video’s back up and it’s very good indeed.

    Cheers for posting…

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    @jimthefish  You can hear what was deleted from the video between 6:38 to 8:00 on the podcast…


    Mudlark @mudlark

    @jimthefish @wolfweed

    Seconded 🙂

    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord


    That’s a curious edit. Wonder why they did it? Was it the porn reference maybe?

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    @jimthefish – Yep – Porn mention in video = BAD    Porn mention in podcast = Perfectly acceptable…


    wolfweed @wolfweed

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Craig @craig

    Part 2 of 3. You can see part 1 above.

    JimTheFish @jimthefish
    Time Lord


    I’m loving these videos and what he says about fan communities is spot on….

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave

    A rare emergence from the Blenkinsop cellar to note the passing of a Who alum (and so much more) Peter Wyngarde, who was, of course, the priest Timanov in the 1984 “Planet of Fire” story.

    But there was so much more: the brooding Quint in the utterly terrifying Deborah Kerr version of “The Innocents”, the conflicted college professor in equally chilling “Night of the Eagle”, and, of course, Jason King.

    And alas, a career cut short by a culture of sexual paranoia and double standards.

    Time to locate a copy of “Planet of Fire”.

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip


    Time to consider what we’re doing until the next episode, I think. We’ve certainly stopped talking about Twice Upon A Time.

    Possible suggestion:A Female Time Lord retrospective.

    We’ve watched rather a lot of Susan, but there is The Aztecs, BlenkinsoptheBrave’s favourite Hartnell. The next female Time Lord we see is Rodan (Invasion of Time), then we could pick episodes for Romana I (Mary Tamm), Romana II (Lalla Ward – and we’ve already watched City of Death), possibly Thalia and Flavia (Arc of Infinity and Five Doctors, respectively), the Rani (which has the dubious choice between Mark of the Rani and Time of the Rani).

    Then there’s The Inquisitor (anything from Trial of a Time Lord) and Jenny (The Doctor’s Daughter).

    End of Time includes some classic Time Ladies – The Woman (possibly the Doctor’s Mum), the batshit crazy The Visionary and The Poor Sod Who Argues With Rassilon.

    Then, of course, there’s Missy. Personally, I think Dark Water/Death in Heaven.

    We also have The General, in Hell Bent.

    By the time we’ve got through this lot, we could be well past September, so it might be that we want to go for a selection, rather than every female Time Lady ever. Possibly ones who we hadn’t already reviewed (which would mean we omit Susan and Romana II).

    janetteB @janetteb

    @bluesqueakpip I really like the suggestion. Seems a shame to omit “the Aztecs though. Rather than skip over susan and Romana II can we actually watch at least one series the Australian way, ie Monday to Thursday, just so we can fit it all in. We were actually lucky down here, getting Dr Who four nights a week and when the new series ended they ran repeats, every year which meant seeing some episodes at least once a year which was just fine.

    blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave


    Alas, no love for Peter Wyngarde…

    I like the idea of a retrospective of female Time Lords, though. Perhaps, instead of “The Aztecs” (yes, one of the greats…but my favourite Hartnell?…that honour might actually go to “The Dalek Invasion of Earth”). Anyway, as “The Aztecs” isn’t actually really about Susan as Timelord, why not the early 2-parter “Edge of Destruction”? They were still trying to work out the dynamics of the characters at that early stage, and the show came in for a bit of flack as I recall because of Susan’s behaviour in the story. It’s not a perfect story, but precisely because of Susan’s behaviour, along with the idea of the Tardis playing an active role in the proceedings, it has some resonance with the way the show has developed; indeed, even with the introduction of the Whittaker Doctor. Just a thought.

    Bluesqueakpip @bluesqueakpip


    I remember Peter Wyngarde very fondly from Department S and Jason King, but I didn’t like Planet of Fire that much.

    I did also think about Edge of Destruction, but it turns out that we already rewatched it, back in 2015.

    However, we haven’t done the Dalek Invasion of Earth. 🙂

    Looking at this in a more timetable type way – we probably have at least thirty weeks, given that the rumours are all for either late August (Bank Holiday) or early September.

    Susan: 4 or 6 episodes
    Rodan in Invasion of Time: 6 episodes
    Romana I: 4-6 episodes, most stories are 4 episodes
    Romana II: 4 episodes
    Thalia in Arc of Infinity: 4 episodes
    Flavia in The Five Doctors: 1 episode
    The Rani in Time of the Rani: 4 episodes (we’ve already watched Mark of the Rani)
    The Inquisitor: 2 -4 episodes
    Jenny in The Doctor’s Daughter: 1 episode
    The Woman/The Visionary/The Objector in End of Time: 2 episodes
    Missy: The episodes which concentrate on her are usually 2 parters: 2 episodes
    Hell Bent: (really only one scene, but notable as the first on-screen gender change in a regeneration) 1 episode.

    Total – 35 to 41 episodes. I’d say @janetteb‘s suggestion of an ‘Australian way’ watch has a lot to recommend it – if we do one or two of the longer stories daily instead of weekly, we could indeed get everyone in.

    The two big contenders for ‘Australian way’ are Susan,Romana II and the Rani – on the grounds that we’ve already rewatched some of their stories.

    winston @winston

    @blenkinsopthebrave @bluesqueakpip and @janetteb  I would certainly watch and discuss anything the rest of you want. I have so little knowledge of BG Who that I will go along with all of you and learn as I go. Like I had no idea that there were so many Time Ladies in BG Who.

    I don’t  know Peter Wyngarde  from Who but from the Innocents (a movie that scared the heck out of me as a youngster) so sorry to hear of his passing.

    My son gave me the dvd  The Power of the Daleks with the 2nd Doctor. It is animated using the original audio and I have watched the first episode in the story. Besides being a bit disappointed in the animation I am surprised at how much I am enjoying it and Hartnell’s Doctor. It is right after the 1st Doctor regenerates and Polly and Ben have to come to grips with the change. So I am primed and ready for some classic Who!

    wolfweed @wolfweed

    Whisht @whisht

    Hiya all – just a note to say that I’m up for any re-watching regardless of the theme (and also hadn’t realised there were so many Time Ladies!).

    Sadly @blenkinsopthebrave I’m just a bit too young to remember Peter Wyngarde first time around (except for Flash Gordon but that’s hardly his greatest role!).

    Now (sadly) off to the Music thread for a post.

    XAD4 @xad4

    Sorry, I’m messing up the links today.

    I’ll try this:


    Anonymous @

    I love Ursula LeGuin so much! I hope more people discover her when they see all the outpouring of love for her at the moment.

    I’m keen to join some discussions of Classic Who. I’ll watch this space for what you decide.

    Mudlark @mudlark


    Sad news indeed to read on waking.   A great writer who wrote with vision, clarity, depth and profound insight, and she wrote beautifully.

    I have loved her novels and writings since I first discovered The Left Hand of Darknessin the early 1970s and her books, which fill almost an entire shelf in my library, will continue to enrich my life as long as I have eyes to read.

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