• Missy replied to the topic The Kebab & Calculator

    @bluesqueakpip

    Further to my advice above, the latest precaution is that you should now AVOID anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen (Nurofen, Advil) if you suspect your illness may possibly be Coronavirus. Paracetamol (Acetaminophen, Tylenol or Panadol) is still fine.

    Well that’s me in trouble if I succumb to this new enemy. I cannot take the Au…[Read more]

  • @craig, @jimthefish, @phaseshift, @bluesqueakpip, @whisht, @mudlark, @thane16, @janetteb, @winston, @rob, @fatmaninabox and..@everyone

    It feels a bit quiet on the site and circumstances seem to be moving fast, and more of us (of a certain age) seem to be self-isolating. Hopefully, things will pass, but it would be great if there was a place where…[Read more]

  • JimTheFish replied to the topic The Kebab & Calculator

    @bluesqueakpip

    Hope you’re doing OK. And to everyone who’s having to self-isolate. Make sure you all take care of yourselves.

  • Whisht replied to the topic The Kebab & Calculator

    Hi @bluesqueakpip – sorry to hear you’re having to self-isolate.

    Its being referred to as “social distancing” but is more accurately “physical distancing”.
    We shouldn’t socially distance ourselves and thankfully that is one of the strengths of online (and this forum!).
    Hope you feel better soon.

    And @nerys – although your symptoms do sound…[Read more]

  • nerys replied to the topic The Kebab & Calculator

    Wonderful words of thoughtfulness, @whisht. And @bluesqueakpip, I hope you are feeling better soon (with no worries other than dealing with a pesky cold).

    Strangely, I have had a cough for five weeks now, along with enhanced postnasal drip (which is an ongoing scourge, for me). I have no fever, no body aches, none of the other symptoms associated…[Read more]

  • Nightingale replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    My point was more that there seems to be an invitation to draw connections between The Timeless Children and earlier, classic stories, but that those connections don’t quite work. Whether it turns out those connections are supposed to be made, or whether they’re misdirects, or whether they’re accidental, is, of course, the f…[Read more]

  • Nightingale replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    <p style=”text-align: left;”>@bluesqueakpip</p>
    Halloooooo! I hope you’re having a great weekend.

    Yes, that’s a continuity problem. But there’s no good answer to it, because the pre-Hartnell selves were a continuity contradiction anyway. If they were real, the regeneration cycle should have been rebooted at the end of the Davison era…

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  • PhaseShift replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    While I take your points and believe you can rationalise these choices of dialogue either way I think my main point is still that when you go down the path that this seems to be going, you have to be very trope aware so you don’t fall into those narrarive traps.

    The above article from @jimthefish is a good exploration of how…[Read more]

  • Nightingale replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    P.S. @bluesqueakpip

    Tom Baker really was an icon of his time. Punk before punk, as you say. But what is our time? Punk, misfits – they’re practically mainstream.

    Well, our time is one where people discover that our past wasn’t quite the glowing iconography we thought it was – and then try to pull the symbols of that past down, destroy it.[Read more]

  • Nightingale replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    Oh, I’m not arguing that the old canon is sacrosanct. There’s just a difference between what Moffat did — filling a gap we all knew existed without altering anything before it — and what Chibnall may have done: adding a gap that wasn’t there and filling it with stuff that impacts everything from Hartnell onwards.

    Well, after The…

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  • JimTheFish replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    Yes, on Chibs these are largely not new arguments and we should probably agree to disagree.

    If this reaches the stage of discussing semiotics, your local vicar should be able to suggest some suitable deliverance ministries.

    Yes, they’re coming for me now. Taking their time about it though. And I must admit that I probably did some…[Read more]

  • BadWolfAlice replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    Oh right, I must have forgotten the explanation of Barton. I wonder if he’ll be back at some point, seeing as he got away at the end of the episode.

    That’s true about the Master but I still think there should have been at least an acknowledgement that he was trapped last time we saw him, instead of him just showing up and nobody…[Read more]

  • BadWolfAlice replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    The Police Box TARDIS can be explained as the Hartnell Doctor ‘stealing’ his previous TARDIS – without knowing that she was the TARDIS he’d used before. It actually fits better with Sexy’s comment that ‘she stole him’ if she’d known the Doctor in his/her pre-mind-wipe incarnations.

    Mm, that’s definitely possible, and would fit in qu…[Read more]

  • Nightingale replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    Damn, I wrote such a long post and it seems to have been incarcerated by the Judoon!

    Short version is: I agree that it’s far too premature to declare the mythos ruined. There are many places this storyline could go, some great, some pointless, some bad. But we do have Dr Ruth, glam-rock Division time lords, and regenerating…[Read more]

  • Mark-Reach replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @Bluesqueakpip

    Awesome points about prehartnell. *Applause*

  • JimTheFish replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @missrori

    Yes, I think it’ll be well into s13 before we see any of this stuff returned to. I fully expect we’ll be seeing RuthDoc back in some form or another.

    @badwolfalice

    Yeah, there is already what amounts to a DWEU, I suppose. But I wonder if we are about to get something that keeps that extant but has another branch that can be explored…[Read more]

  • Nightingale replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    Hi!

    No, River’s origin story works fine. Just ask yourself where the Timeless Child got her ability to regenerate from?

    Wrong person? I think you just said what I said.

    The big wormhole-looking thing where Tectuen found the timeless child looked kinda like the time vortex to me, so Mr. Moffat’s explanation for River might be retro…

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  • JimTheFish replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    @bluesqueakpip

    I hope so too – but I think, when articulating criticisms, there is a responsibility to assess whether there’s a genuine fault in the work, or whether the critic just doesn’t like this writer’s style

    Well, I would hope so too but I haven’t seen anyone not do that on this site. Not for years now. Writing, like all art, is subject…[Read more]

  • JimTheFish replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    Well, first of all, I think it’s important to say that it’s totally cool if Pip enjoyed the story, just as it’s totally cool if others did not. Personally, I don’t think Phase said anything remotely on the level of bowelstreak, nerdrotic, Noel Tardis and all those idiots. There’s little in his argument that wouldn’t have been considered…[Read more]

  • Whisht replied to the topic The Timeless Children

    Interesting discussion – thanks @Phaseshift for the insight into ‘franchise’.
    And thanks @bluesqueakpip for giving me reasons to be a bit kinder to this story (arc?).

    For me, I like that Whittaker’s Doctor has developed over two series. I think it was conscious – almost a reverse of what they’d planned for Colin Baker.
    For WhitDoc she’s Fizzy at…[Read more]

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