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  • #33731
    lisa @replies

    haven’t seen the episode yet but wondering if Missy said she chose Clara does that then mean she might be the lady in the shop ??

    #33717
    lisa @replies

    @bluesqueakpip I enjoyed reading your post- I think the ‘Doctor-hero” which is a special class of hero

    #33701
    lisa @replies

    @ Barnable Hi — Yeah the conductor was a retired soldier and Missy theory is that she collects soldiers
    but didn’t collected him ? Hm ?
    On the teleporter – So the Doc was messing with it on the train and the next scene on the Beach he tells
    Clara that he used it to teleport everyone onto the Tardis and dropped them on that Planet
    I think the Doctor still had the teleporter device- not Perkins
    However I still think Perkins got some free and alone time by himself on the Tardis ?
    He was still lingering around apparently on his own until the Doctor returned from hanging out
    on the beach ?
    So why did the Doctor leave Perkins alone on the Tardis and did the Doctor really trust him to be
    alone there?
    No idea !!! But it still doesn’t add up to me

    #33699
    lisa @replies

    @ Soundworld Yes Miss Missy- what can I say besides we need to see her again soon !!
    Is she a Guardian of the Nethersphere or a Trickster or what exactly? Cant wait to get
    another glimpse of her so we can have something to say about her place in the story.
    Also her lieutenant Seb .
    Regarding my reference before of the Josesph Campbell and the heroes journey.
    Its the strange world of myths and adventures but also rites of passage and
    beliefs/spiritual aspects which is also a part of the CapDoctor’s journey/story arc this series
    and how he’s trying much more to connect to new different self

    #33685
    lisa @replies

    @idiotsavon – I agree with your take on the belief in heroes – and I also keep thinking this goes back to when the Doctor asks Clara ‘am I a good Man’ – that was central and very upfront at the start of this series
    All these different belief options we have had with each new episode forms for me a circle to get to the Doctors
    conclusion-
    We are all being taken on that philosophical journey in addition to all the individual weekly adventures
    Its been very Joseph Campbell for me but also the screenwriting textbook by Christopher Vogler that I reference
    here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Writer's_Journey:_Mythic_Structure_for_Writers –its as if SM has been
    very influenced by this book for his take this series too– and I think this concept is working out amazingly well !!
    When looking up Vogler for this post – I found that he has a connection to BBC writers room – I find that very interesting – this has to be within SM’s sphere of awareness and obviously a strong influence as well

    #33670
    lisa @replies

    @idiotsavon Well I think perhaps I take your meaning —–that you can have “real’ or
    realistic people with good intentions portrayed [in any genre of storytelling} and they
    can still also be flawed anti-heroes ?

    Anyway- I am being ‘required’
    so I need to humbly request to continue our conversation later ugh !
    nite L.

    #33668
    lisa @replies

    @idiotsavon- Yes however I haven’t been able to get my head around how it all completely connects with the story arc yet – but I blame Perkins!! That character has sideswiped me totally and taken me off topic ! lol
    So any brilliant contributions of how all the Belief puzzle blends in is much appreciated at this point !! 🙂

    #33666
    lisa @replies

    btw— the comment above was meant at @idiotsavon [ oops ]

    #33665
    lisa @replies

    I agree with Janette re: all the comments she made on the Mummy page-
    Personally I have always simply preferred Imaginary places and people. That’s because I find it more palatable than the real world – I have never had much of a appreciation for soapy soap opera-it always feels vaguely demeaning – [but that’s just me] However It seems to me quite honestly that’s what some of the folks on the Mummy page have found exception with. The fact that there is an aspect in the Clara/Danny story that they are finding a bit demeaning in the way that story has developed thus far

    #33659
    lisa @replies

    @idiotsavon – The first series of Star Trek was roughly at the time of Man going to the Moon and then the Carl Sagan series Cosmos happened so all together they reinforced an completely new notion of our future having amazing possibilities –
    When it was picked up again years later the stories dealt with social issues even more in the script writing – but I think this is the forum for the Mummy episode ????? 🙂

    #33656
    lisa @replies

    @idiotsavon– I think Star Trek has had a massive effect on society !! The technology- the stories- the charecters – and social debates too ! There were tons of firsts about that show – When I was a kid I
    watched it in the same way I watch Doctor Who and have the same kind of respect for it

    #33654
    lisa @replies

    Regarding Perkins – [he’s been a bit of a thorn sticking me in my grey matter] -I thought yesterday that it was
    his briefcase full of paperwork that Clara and Maizie found in the baggage car- that maybe he had stashed it in there. So when the scientists were all doing their investigating in the morphed lab car why didn’t he go fetch it to share with everyone?
    Why wouldn’t he do that ? Because if he did it would come out that he wasn’t really an engineer- It only reinforces for me the fact that he was hiding who he really was- which isn’t an Engineer – my hunch is that the
    briefcase might of belonged to him

    #33604
    lisa @replies

    Got a question for anyone – When Clara was stuck with Maizie in the baggage car she found a briefcase filled with information about the Foretold – I am wondering who did that briefcase belong to ?? I cant see that answer
    Could it have it belonged to Perkins ?? If so that would also prove Perkins has been tracking this for some time
    @fatmaninabox – I like your idea about him – but I still also think he might have been messing around with the Tardis in which case I still feel that there is something very odd – I really believe the Doctor would never invite anyone to do anything to ‘his’ Tardis ! Where was Perkins when the Doctor was on the beach ? Was he
    left alone in the Tardis ?
    @barnable – I will re-watch but it wasn’t my impression that Perkins installed the teleporter ? why do you think that ?

    #33600
    lisa @replies

    @ spider GEEZELOUISE !!! what a tease lol 🙂

    #33568
    lisa @replies

    @ geoffers –33 I a very powerful illuminati number – http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1766.cfm
    33 levels in the mason order- 33rd parallel – lots of mystical stuff – google the meaning of the
    number 33 – all sorts of goodies

    #33535
    lisa @replies

    @ Barnable –re: the engineer tinkering around inside the Tardis’ pipes I totally agree! The Doctor was outside on the beach with Clara leaving Perkins alone in there? I smell something nasty about that too – so maybe that’s why Perkins chose not to travel with him -because of his tinkering? Maybe that’s why I felt the Doctor gave him a suspicious-y look when he said no to traveling. Was the Doctor wondering about Perkins messing around down there? I still wonder why he was on on that space train ?
    another mysterious character to my mind

    #33526
    lisa @replies

    @thebeast- I saw a comment elsewhere that someone thought Gus sounded a lot like Seb??

    Still cant get the notion out of my head that the Engineer is a bit like Moriarity in this and Capdoc was a bit like Sherlock ? I have seen discussions about crossover between the 2 series here before – anyway I do get a vibe that there was something a bit dark about Frank Skinner in how he played the part –
    But as Tom Baker Doc was fond of saying ”who knows”

    #33473
    lisa @replies

    One more thing about the Engineer calling himself Perkins – he handed over all the manifests etc regarding
    passengers and trip joking that maybe he was already looking into ‘this’ ?
    Maybe he is/isn’t just a train engineer ? yes/no/not sure
    But I would like to see him come back in a future episode

    #33470
    lisa @replies

    There has been The Master, The Rani. The Doctor, etc. and now ‘The Engineer’
    I have a new conjecture – all ideas welcome !
    On my second re watch I really felt that this is an introduction to the possibility of a new ‘The”
    Could the engineer have also had some other connection to GUS ? no idea but he came up with the ‘it takes approx. 66 seconds to move out of phase’ answer and some other info for the Doctor pretty quickly
    I think that in some way at least he has had more a part of the Gus set up
    So my new current hunch is that maybe The Engineer knew all along who the Doctor was and even maybe the original
    invitation sent to the Doctor came from him ?

    #33448
    lisa @replies

    @phileasf –yes ! Seb-Gus and who else as abbreviations of ancient saints as part of this Faith/Belief arc ? we might have missed another abbreviated saint name in a previous episode ? So I will go back and check over some of that re: is this some hidden clue/meaning – might be maybe ??
    big longshot though – but I have as Clara said ‘the addiction’ 🙂

    #33417
    lisa @replies

    btw- Badwolf said it does have a feeling of Voyage of the Damned the GUS voice in particular and I wonder if that was the same actor used again ?
    There is a suspicious some odd sort of feeling about that engineer Perkins as if he isn’t really just a engineer so wonder if he will turn up in the future again ?
    That was a interesting conversation on the beach with Clara about saving people and also at the very end about ‘mission accomplished’ between Clara and Danny
    Cant wait to see everyone’s comments and detecting – [seen terrific detecting on this forum !]

    #33416
    lisa @replies

    HI all – I have lots of questions about the engineer – loved the Foxes rendition of the Queen song- loved the Jelly babies ‘cameo’ – loved the Agatha Christie homage – found the Mummy very impressive -two episodes in a row ending with the beach/ocean scene ? [not sure that’s anything] – liked this one a lot and another strong performance from Capdoc- no one saved this time around by Missy — another soldier[ the mummy]—-Clara’s should I stay or should I go is getting a bit weird but on the whole it just felt done nicely–

    #33344
    lisa @replies

    @ idiotsavon I have heard that its already Jumper weather in England — oh dear ! We are having what
    the weather people call a ‘high pressure system’ – meaning very warm plus mixed with the fall colors
    makes it a favorite time of the year — I bet this Saturday morning the whole town will turn out to the farmers markets – even though its feels warm I’d like to make a big pot of soup so looking forward to finding some ingredients there
    I think that SM was looking at his giant story board and he had a hunch that everyone would be ready to ‘romp’ too ! 🙂

    #33342
    lisa @replies

    Morning everyone from California- its another very pretty day here and I just got to watch some new vids that popped up about the next Doctor episode on BBC America/Youtube during my coffee time – this new one looking like so much great fun !!!!

    #33316
    lisa @replies

    @purofilion I think all of us were “Clara'”-fied in this episode re: how it seemed to wrap so much around her character – 🙂

    #33252
    lisa @replies

    !idiotsavon I like the way you think! RE: the Doctor was up to something
    I had a notion that scene of the Doctor abruptly leaving was possibly a smokescreen but I couldn’t wrap my head around how – same thing goes for Clara getting so bent out of shape at him for doing that- It was quite a surprise considering all the time that they have been traveling together and suddenly she seems to be losing her “faith” in him [ a lot of folks here seem to have felt the same thing} interestingly every episode thus far references faith some how some way- eventually I guess we all will know how it all gets pulled together and I am as curious as anyone to see how it all will shake out

    #33189
    lisa @replies

    @ JimboMcMaster -I totally agree with your take- said up at the beginning that I saw it all about pro-life and pro space exploration either intentional or not – moral arguments for both about making choices and the responsibility that comes in making them- the pseudo-science never bothers me – I mean you said it with “reality bomb” etc. – but there was lots of good tension in this episode – cracks in the relationship between Clara and the Doctor – SM does like the “cracks’ device in all its different forms

    #33176
    lisa @replies

    @ pufferfish – Clara might not know for a fact yet that she is preggers- and drinking a glass of wine is not a problem -its drinking the whole bottle:)

    #33174
    lisa @replies

    @ purifilion- well it makes sense to make her a new Mom if she is going to be written out of the series – she cant travel with an infant- and she was almost in tears at the end of the story- some women can get all weird like that

    #33170
    lisa @replies

    @ purofilion possibly Clara might be behaving hormonal from pregnancy- I thought that might be an undercurrent at one point in the story

    #33116
    lisa @replies

    @ JaneeteB The Doctor left Clara behind in Deep Breath too- He has morphed into a completely different Doctor from 11- and a lot more heavy handed which is why Clara has such anxiety- its having a psychological effect on her – In Deep Breath Matt-doctor called Clara to say that 12 was still him- but he isn’t really is he
    She will continue to have trouble adapting because I think she feels shortchanged and her unsettledness will continue to probably be a theme throughout this whole season -For the Doctors point of view I think he wants more from Clara then she wants to give
    ps– I liked the moon/egg concept- really thought it was eggcellent

    #33083
    lisa @replies

    @ mello-yello U know I like your idea about Courtney- wonder if those were her real parents at the parent night
    but SM likes to play with anagrams – I figured out that Tasha Lem means the rebirth of Mel and I played with the name Courtney Woods and I so far came up with ‘yes u won doctor’ – hm ?? what shall we make of this ?
    – This forum has made me a bonkerszoid ! lol

    #33053
    lisa @replies

    For the rest of my life I shall look at the Moon in the night sky and think of it as an egg = egg-cellent !!

    the sci-fi of the past didn’t always get the science right – so the sci-fi of the present doesn’t necessarily have to either – I think of Doctor Who as Sci-fi fantasy – that’s how I manage to get my head round all the
    odd inconsistent bits

    #33009
    lisa @replies

    #Badwolf- it wasn’t my intent to paste that 1- I don’t know how its popping up!!! but I agree it does look interesting – Im gonna give this 1 more try – if it doesn’t work please find a way to make me pay – lol !!

    hoping it works this time !

    #33007
    lisa @replies

    I wont keep messing up the thread- my copy paste thingy is broken – aahh !!

    #33006
    lisa @replies

    I hope the copy/paste thing works right this time !!! sorry folks it picked up something else
    in that last post ???

    #33005
    lisa @replies

    Hi all — So this was partly a pro-life argument and also pro-space exploration argument episode

    Here’s something a bit on/off topic I recently saw a vid on you tube

    this vid has to do with Nasa holding on to old nukes to use in space to blast apart asteroids- seemed oddly appropriate to share

    I just saw this and like the rest of you will need to do a replay to zoom in on it all- I get to see it later
    then most of you here do because of where I am
    But since I started that whole belief/faith concept list earlier on I will give you my take for this episode
    I think that it simply is the belief in yourself to make the right/best decisions – the Doctor said ‘I think you did the right thing’ – this makes me wonder about this belief arc and where it is going and why

    No Missy- [as I sometimes say– big bummer city !!!]

    #32880
    lisa @replies


    saw this tonight on you tube everyone – looks fun !!

    #32847
    lisa @replies

    If I may contribute to the conversation re: England — My most favorite place to vacation- have wonderful friends there- absolutely love the North regions – Yorkshire. lake district, Peak district !! Harrogate etc. etc. it has a wonderful wildness and not nearly as touristy- everywhere you go there is gorgeousness !! Wish I can get back there at least every year – everyone should put it on the places to see list for sure !

    #32832
    lisa @replies

    Does anyone know what type of insect the “Vore” were in the 8th doctors Galifrey cronicles novel?? just wondering cause the next episode has spider like creatures on the moon –
    In that novel they invade Earth- could the moon be where there were before the came to earth and if so is SM
    bringing them back ? It might be a connection to the Compassion tardis story in that novel and therefore possibly could be the Nethersphere concept also— a giant stretch I guess but…just curious

    #32800
    lisa @replies

    @devilisrobby – yes !! in wiki it did say an alien that become a ‘tardis’ — im trying to figure it out
    thanks for fixing me 🙂

    #32798
    lisa @replies

    @geoffers 1 more thought – this was one of the last 8th Doctor novels — SM brought back the 8th in Night of the Doctor — hmmm ??

    #32796
    lisa @replies

    @geoffers — I like the way you are thinking re: Missy ! I cant recall the last time Ive been so gripped by a Doctor Who story arc
    Ive been reading about the Galifrey Cronicles novel on Wiki and learned about another Timelord called Compassion that apparently survived the time war- Idiotsavon pointed out to me that another name for Compassion is ‘Mercy’ which is sort of close to Missy – it also spoke about the Matrix on Galifrey – again like Cal/papel mainframe the matrix is also a vast supercomputer – Im wondering if all these bits and pieces are being woven together by SM ?
    At this point I am on the same page as you re: Clara – and I am also sure the chess board has to be a clue just because of the size of the thing = sort of ‘don’t miss this’

    #32777
    lisa @replies

    @serahni — thanks very much for the info Re: matrix- compassion tardis etc. its obvious that SM is fully aware of all these references and has of course drawn upon them to create the Missy arc – all the computer and neverland/rasillon stuff and so on- I found it very enlightening !!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(Doctor_Who)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

    #32730
    lisa @replies

    @barnable – 1 more thought- don’t forget that the papel mainframe was a military force!

    #32729
    lisa @replies

    @barnable- I was more intrigued by the paperwork on the round bulletin board out of focus- she didn’t greet the pc- one of her lieutenants did-so maybe the pc is lower down in the ranks – I didn’t think hospital but I do imagine that emptiness will be filling up – maybe we will see more bulletin boards with paperwork that we can see and read for clues- In the Silence in the Library episode they had all those children that looked alike- I wonder if they will make clones out of the people they collect to make an army ?? I would really like more clues !!!!
    Ugh !
    On other topic- really liked the way Clara swiped her nose in the way Tom Baker Doctor used to do – very nice

    #32713
    lisa @replies

    @barnable I wonder if Missy will turn out to be a kind of Care taker ? but I think most don’t at this point- I will be keeping an open mind – I still strangely get a River vibe about Missy- and River certainly was a kind of caretaker – I still get a CAL vibe about the Nethersphere- but its of course still to soon to tell

    #32660
    lisa @replies

    @Blenkinsopthebrave— I recall that flick somewhat- but the receptionist greeting the pc never referred to where they were as heaven- only Nethersphere/afterlife/promised land – and I have a hunch that the pc may have
    not been acquired by Missy for the same reason as the others in her plan – she doesn’t speak with him- only gives him a casual glance -I still think its more like a Cal/papal mainframe kind of saving
    For me it also took me back to when Harry dies and meets Dumbledore in the big white replica of the train station — this Missy mystery has a tight grip on me !!

    #32652
    lisa @replies

    Re-watching the Missy land bit at the end- I wonder if Missy didn’t greet the pc cause he didn’t qualify for her conditions. Maybe she came into the room to just get a glance at him – perhaps he was ‘acquired’ not because he has any particular skill but then why? Really wish the paperwork on the wall behind the pc wasn’t so out of focus

    #32639
    lisa @replies

    Also in the white room – there is a round bulletin board behind the pc’s head- curious what all the paperwork on that board says —- that scene reminded me a bit of when Harry Potter dies and goes to the “white place’ and
    meets Dumbledore

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