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27 December 2023 at 11:44 #75161
Also, does anyone know why the Doctor gazed up at the roof when he returned from saving Davina McCall and said, “maybe I’m the bad luck”
The crack in the roof looked like it had gone until he went back inside the flat. No glass smashed in the windows either? Poor continuity or something bigger? 🤔
27 December 2023 at 11:43 #75160Enjoyed TCORR, despite the cringey goblin singing… love the mystery surrounding the mother in the church yard.
When the Doctor went back to save Rugby, did time stand still? The person walking away from the church hadn’t made any ground in the time between the Doc arriving and returning to the Tardis. The clock on the church only moved forward one minute as well. Maybe The Doc made multiple visits?
1 March 2020 at 01:38 #69897Have you got a link for the video the first time we saw Jodie and the plinth?
24 February 2020 at 21:22 #69823Agree with pretty much all of what you both said @psymon, @nerys.
It was a 50 min trailer tbh. We’ve still got the same questions we had at the start of the episode and more.
And yes I thought that too regarding Cybermen, they get their hands on the Cyberium so are in reality able to rebuild their empire as it was in ruins… but there’s only three of them and with two ships! Maybe the Doctor got back in time just before they were about to rebuild and the number of humans and Cybermen dead was just collateral damage. This is obviously way in the future so human tech, you’d assume would be advanced.
And finally, can Chibs answer every question, tie up every lose end and deliver an emphatic season finale… I’d say no but would love to be proved wrong!
24 February 2020 at 21:03 #69822@missrori. Do we know how far into the future this is set? Would then be interesting to see how that ties in with other future Earth/human stories. Surely you can’t always say… “time is wibbly wobbly” etc! 😅
24 February 2020 at 20:53 #69821Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up @missrori.
Think there’s so much to clear up in the last 70 mins of the series… is there possibly to much to clear up, maybe?
Dont think we’ll be seeing Ruth again this series. I’d imagine she’ll return in a special or S13.
I keep thinking the lone Cyberman looked like the old Brendan. What did the lone Cyberman say about how he was the “chosen one” again? He mentioned he got “declined“ when he wanted to sign up… but was that signing up to the human fight against the Cybermen or signing up to be converted to a Cyberman?
What do you reckon?
24 February 2020 at 20:45 #69820@miapatrick. Yeh I’m really not sure regarding Brendan. That’s why I was left a little disappointed at the end of the episode, there was so much left open. I was more confused and had so many questions rather than feeling excited for next week… but I guess if next week delivers it doesn’t really matter. It is a 2-parter after all.
24 February 2020 at 03:07 #69805Agree @jomomentor and @bluesqueakpip.
Originally thought Brendan was Jack.
But, given what they were doing to him it looked Cyber-ish. Also looks similar to Cyborg bloke so I think he’s the LONE CYBERMAN!24 February 2020 at 03:04 #69804Good episode that in my eyes, but left feeling confused with more Q’s than answers. Seems as though a lot needs to happen next week.
Most enjoyable part for me was opening Doctor and fam scene. Ending was rushed, cliffhanger was over and done with before you had chance to contemplate it. Too much time farting about in the middle on the war ship.
Plots that remain to be answered:
- Who’s Brendan?
- Gallifrey and the boundary?
- The timeless child?
- The alliance (Jack mentioned)?
Also, how does the lone Cyberman fit into the timeline.
Assuming the war with the humans happened first, the Cybermen were reduced to ruins and then the lone Cyberman went back to find the Cyberium to rebuild?
The lone Cyberman admitted himself, when the Cyber empire arrived he was declined at first. Meaning he wasn’t even part of the Cyber Empire when they first arrived.Again, how does this fit with the Alliance and the thing they sent back through time to defeat the Cybermen… or was that the Cyberium? I don’t know.
Too many things unanswered if you ask me, a lot to cram into next week. But still a good ep.
20 February 2020 at 02:28 #69759Agree @psymon. Think Master and Timeless Child will be cleared up this series, but as much as I’d like to see Ruth again, they could potentially try and cram to much into this 2-parter and ruin it.
I’d save the Ruth Doc stuff imo. Keep the excitement going.
@missrori. Is the Cyberium the thing the Alliance sent back through time to destroy the Cybermen? If so, how did it? And we don’t know yet who the Alliance are?
16 February 2020 at 23:35 #69698Great episode, really really enjoyed it! The writers didn’t get caught up on the spooky element so it overwhelmed the episode. And… love the Doctor snapped, JW was brilliant!
Just to clarify a few things then, the Alliance sent the Cyberium back through time, how did that leave the Cybermen in ruins though?
Assuming Timeless child and Galifrey is going to cleared up in the next series? I think I would prefer that rather than cram it all into Series 12 two-part finale.
3 February 2020 at 21:01 #69564Thought the episode was good. Difficult after the expectations raised by last weeks blockbuster.
Agree with @psymon regarding the difference between Tennant and Whittaker when explaining things. I also always think the best Doctor’s are the ones who demonstrate anger the best. Whittaker doesn’t ever seem to angry, she showed it a little more in FOTJ but the three previous incarnations of the Doctor showed it best (Tennant first, Smith, then Capaldi).
Think it was @miapatrick who said it was defined for kids… really! I had to get my GCSE Biology revision guide out to understand the lab stuff 😂😉
Interesting about Ryan, Yaz and Graham though, @bluesqueakpip. Something if defo going to happen with Yaz, A. Because of what CC said and B. She’s acting weird. Personally think her and Ryan may not make a third series, had you asked me after the first few episodes I would have said they’d get together (hints in Orphan 55) but that theory is weakening as the weeks go on. Just feel it may be Graham and Doc for Series 3.
Lastly, without sounding really harsh – twice now I think it would have been better if the characters died. Ryan’s dad and now the policeman (can’t remember his name). Maybe not both but one of them, it shouldn’t always be happy ever after. Impact on Doc when Kylie died, although that was to continue a series arc about the Doctor starting to question his existence.
Let me know what you all think.
p.s. Gabriella was very shallow. “My best friend is dead NOOOOOOO… I’ll come travelling with you!!” Perhaps a mishap by the writers more than anything deliberate?
21 January 2020 at 18:21 #69302Just watched the episode. Sorry to be pedantic but anyone know how the Doctor, Tesla and Skerritt got on the train? 😅
21 January 2020 at 18:02 #69301Like the bonkers theory @blenkinsopthebrave!
21 January 2020 at 18:00 #69300With @badwolfalice & @bluesqueakpip on this. Usually when historical episodes have popped up in the past in episode trailers, they’ve been greeted with an eye-roll.
However, even though this episode was still a little underwhelming (like most in the Chibnall era), I really don’t mind the historical ones in the Chibnall era.
Cinematography and costumes excellent. Like the bond between the characters. Unfortunately once again though, and I continue to say this most weeks, the episodes don’t grab or excite me.
At the end of the episode I’m left feeling pretty much the same as I was at the start of the episode, if anything a little more frustrated. All elements are there but I’m just not feeling it atm (more so than Series 11 though that has to be said!).
21 January 2020 at 17:51 #69299@miapatrick
I guess we’ll be in a better place to have this discussion post-series. Look forward to it! 🙂14 January 2020 at 14:22 #69086Maybe @codystott, but I think Chibnall would be daft to create a Master from another Universe and not carry on or fit them in to the existing chain.
14 January 2020 at 14:20 #69085remind me again how they left it with Simms at the end of his original run? (end of time)
Am I right in saying he returned to Gallifrey with the Time Lords. Does it mention in The Doctor Falls how he then go to the spaceship towards the black hole? I recall something about it crashing and him never being a good pilot.
Dhawan’s Master has to be between Simms and Missy in my eyes. Surely you can’t go from the verge of conversion to how sadist Dhawan was. He was Simms-esque.
14 January 2020 at 14:00 #69084i think you’re right Winston. In both instances you mentioned the Master did sort of redeem themselves. Which therefore suggests whatever has happened at Gallifrey could be one of the reasons why the Master so desperately wanted to kill off the Doctor. Having said that, the mannerisms of Dhawan’s Master seem to fit the narrative that he comes after Simms and before Missy.
14 January 2020 at 03:32 #69072A few people are discussing on Twitter about multiple timelines (because the Doctor mentioning that Orphan 55 doesn’t have to be Earth), does anyone know if DW has delved into this much before? Whether they should or not?
14 January 2020 at 03:30 #69071You’re also right about the science. Was way off at times! Frustrating.
14 January 2020 at 03:28 #69070agree with your assessment.
i liked the start of the episode and their arrivals to the spa. But for me it was spoiled by a pretty weak ending again.
No real unravelling to ‘save the day’ just things happening to fall into place, like the virus mutating with the fuel 3 to make fuel 4. As much as I liked the two-parter, it was the same. The Doctor went back to tamper with the Kasaavin’s software… why didn’t we see this! This is the emphatic clever ending we should be seeing.
it doesn’t even have to be that clever. But for example, asylum of the Daleks, the Doctor used a teleport, but it was made to feel so euphoric.
at the moment it’s like watching a crime drama for 50mins and then they find the murderer by just watching some CCTV, things just fall into place.
at the moment for whatever reason I’m not quite feeling it. I’m willing to give it more time because overall I did like the two-parter and aspects of Orphan 55.
2 January 2020 at 23:46 #68768Interesting debate guys. I’m with you, think it would make more sense if this incarnation of the Master is inbetween Simms and Missy purely because his characteristics and personality seem more aligned to Simms.
Apart from Missy almost being converted to good in The Doctor Falls and Dhawan’s incarnation being so desperate to kill off the Doctor straight away, what makes you think he comes after Simms? I can’t quite remember Simms last moments with the Doctor before he died. But, surely if the whole timelords not being able to remember meeting themselves thing is true, the last thing the Simms Master will remember of The Doctor is in The End of Time?
Let me know what you think.
14 June 2018 at 13:46 #63558Hi all. I started watching Doctor Who during the first Tennant series and, something I’m not proud of admitting, stopped watching when he left. However since then I have caught up on all the Smith and Capaldi series and just this morning finished watching Ecclestone.
I surprisingly loved Ecclestone’s series despite the 2005-like graphics. The ending to the last episode, “The Parting Of Ways”, I thought was a little weak. I get that Rose opened up the TARDIS to travel through time and scatter Bad Wolf across time and space but the fact she could remove and reinstate life willy-nilly seemed a bit loose. Therefore, surely if ever in a situation where the Doctor is backed into a corner he could just open up the TARDIS and eliminate the threat by looking into the heart of the it, at the cost of a regeneration??
Have I read this wrong? If so let me know. Otherwise I loved the series.
@tardigrade. Your point on the Doctor at the end of the episode is spot on too. Considering what a difficult decision it was to end the time war, he should been a lot more emotional when the he was questioning whether to do it again with Earth and the Daleks. That conversation between him and the Empror Dalek had the potential to be so much more than it was. They should of spent less time filming a massive truck trying to open the TARDIS and more time on that conversation.
Ollie
30 December 2017 at 12:05 #62883@scaryb – thanks for the help. A thought also about the “preserving the dead”, surely now all the 12 doctors that have gone before can now roam the earth as enchanted glass people themselves as individually they are dead?
Regarding the Captain, this is how I read the situation: The Captain was about to be shot by the other German soldier therefore the glass people “at the point of death” froze time, removed him from the place and scanned his memories. But due to the Doctors crossing each other’s time zones the mistake happened where just before the Captain could be returned to the place of his death, he ended up at the same place as the Doctors.
Then when he was returned Capaldi returned him to the place where he was due to be shot but 2 hours later so it would be interrupted by the Christmas Truce, meaning he would survive.
???
cheers, Ollie
28 December 2017 at 22:18 #62814Hi everyone. Hope you all had a good Christmas.
Watched it on Boxing Day and thought it was a nice episode, one really just to fill the gap between the Moffat and Chibnall era, plus the regeneration. However it was also very fitting with some key Christmas messages, especially highlighting the Christmas truce.
Thought Jodie Whitaker’s small scene was pretty cool and her “Ahh Brilliant” reminded me of the bubbly Matt Smith. If she’s as good as him then awesome.
Did have a couple of questions though that some of you may know the answer to.
1.) In “The Doctor Falls” Bill was saved by Heather, so how did she then go from that into an enchanted glass person? Either she must have died at some point and then got turned into one or when she died in “The Doctor Falls” she got transitioned into one.
2.) And also, The Doctor said the enchanted glass people are just “memories”, if that’s true then they are hardly “free to walk earth again”, do the enchanted glass people only turn up when someone thinks of them? Who’s memories are they?
3.) The Doctor changed the time when travelling back to the battlefield to 2 hours later to the Christmas truce so the “Captain” wouldn’t die. But if the “captain” was taken by the enchanted glass people and then brought back by the Doctor 2 hours later, then for 2 hours he would of just disappeared?
apologies for being picky but just want to be clear.
thanks,
ollie
10 July 2017 at 11:39 #60505Thanks for the replies @nick. Only had chance to look at them. I think you are right tbh
3 July 2017 at 18:51 #60292Ah ok thanks @nick.
the episode was great but I was left bemused a bit at the end, because it was almost like I was expecting another 20 mins where we see the Doctor return to save Nardole or we see him die before the end scene with Heather, Bill and Doctor. You?
3 July 2017 at 18:34 #60289Thanks @missrori and @artubus for clearing that up.
Assuming heather also was able to form Bill again due her atom reshaping abilities? But also I thought the TARDIS was too close to the black hole to correctly fly?
Cheers guys 👍🏼
3 July 2017 at 01:32 #60236@whofangirl-73 Assuming heather has the ability to reshape atoms to remove Bill from Cyberman and into herself again?
3 July 2017 at 00:07 #60234@bluesqueakpip Beautifully put about Missy and how she knew she was going to die.
3 July 2017 at 00:02 #60233<p style=”text-align: left;”>Apologise if I sound rather stupid, but surely that the exploding of the 506 floor killed The Doctor so how is he able to regenerate?
And I also assume Nardole would of been eventually killed as it was a matter of time before the Cybermen broke through the floors again?</p> -
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