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12 February 2020 at 19:26 #69663
@missrori That statement makes it clear that the intention of the scene was good at least, even though it clearly could have been handled better.11 February 2020 at 14:38 #69651
I think this episode was really good for the first half hour – the villains were interesting and creepy, the companions all got things to do and I loved the animated sequence. The pacing of the ending let it down for me though; the immortal villains were defeated in the blink of an eye once they returned to Syria, and then the episode spent about 10 minutes on the mental health messages – which are of course important, and I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been there, but I think the main plot suffered a bit as a result. It’s mostly the fault of the 50-minute runtime; this may have worked better as a two-parter, and then the villains could have been more fleshed out and the resolution would have had more time to play out. Still, I really enjoyed the episode overall.
I have to say, I feel the same way as @davros about the companions. I like these three but I’m not connecting to them as much as previous companions either. I think part of the reason for that is that each of them rarely gets time alone with the Doctor. Normally we learn a lot about the companions via their relationship with the Doctor, but with these ones I don’t really know how they individually get on with her. We did see Graham alone with her at the end of this episode, which I appreciated; he’s probably my favourite of the three. I’m not sure how to feel about the Doctor’s lack of comforting words towards him though.9 February 2020 at 13:58 #69622
Interesting (and I use the word ‘interesting’ loosely here) to note that the seventh episode of last series, Kerblam!, was the first ever episode to have an exclamation mark in the title, and the seventh episode of this series, Can You Hear Me?, is the first one to have a question mark. Could this be foreshadowing some sort of punctuation-based story arc that will gradually unfold during the seventh episodes of each series? (No.)1 February 2020 at 21:03 #69524
Here’s a theory that popped into my head as I woke up earlier. I’m sure it’s completely wrong but I like it.
What if Ruth is one of the Doctor’s children? Maybe something separated the two of them from each other when Ruth was young (probably on a previous regeneration) and she believed the Doctor had died. From then on, she took on the mantle of ‘The Doctor’. As her life went on, she began to think only of herself as The Doctor and forgot about her parent. I admit it seems unlikely that she would completely forget that her parent was also called the Doctor, which sort of ruins this idea. However, that brings me onto my next bonkers theory:
Ruth is the Doctor’s mother! She also went by the name of The Doctor, and she died when her child was young (or maybe during childbirth, if that’s how Time Lord reproduction works). Her husband, or whatever kind of partner she had, gave the baby the title The Doctor as well, in honour of their mother. When we see Ruth in Fugitive of the Judoon, she hasn’t yet given birth, so when she meets our Doctor she doesn’t know who it could be.
Of course, this fails to explain why the sonic screwdriver recognised her as the same person as the Doctor we know, unless the sonic can’t differentiate between different members of the same family (I’m sure it can). And it also doesn’t explain why Ruth’s TARDIS looks like a police box. These holes in the theory could probably be filled in with some complicated timey-wimey thinking but, as I said, I’m 99% sure it’s not correct. I would love to meet some more of the Doctor’s family though!28 January 2020 at 15:41 #69452
@jimthefish Good point. My theory may have been partially wishful thinking as I also would have liked to see more of Gat. Then again, this is a show about time travel so that may not be out of the question…28 January 2020 at 14:39 #69444
I wonder if the Judoon’s guns in this episode really killed people, or if they were actually teleporters of some kind, like what Captain Jack used to transport the Doctor’s companions. Lee and Gat were both shot by these guns, but they’re clearly important characters and we still don’t know exactly who they are, so it seems a bit premature for them to be dead already. And Gat is a Time Lord (she only referred to herself as a Gallifreyan but the Doctor called her a Time Lord) so why didn’t she regenerate? Maybe she died too quickly to regenerate, or maybe the gun actually teleported her somewhere. If there is indeed a parallel universe involved here, perhaps these guns could be a way of transporting people between universes.28 January 2020 at 10:31 #69434
Finally there is the concept of the multiverse, in which a potentially infinite number of superimposed but separate universes theoretically exist and have always existed, but I don’t recall that having been referenced in Doctor Who.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched it but isn’t that what happened in series 2? There was certainly the parallel universe where the new Cybermen were created and Rose ended up in, but I seem to remember the Doctor saying something about there being infinite possible universes, separated by the Void (which the Cybermen found a way of travelling through).
Btw do we know how many seasons Chibnall (and Whittaker) are likely to do? Will they leave together?
Not that I want either to leave, its just I’d imagine Chibnall would plan out his tenure for example “the first season will be x eg all wonder and ‘new’ and light and glee and new monsters; second season will be y (eg give Doctor mystery, introspection, Timelords and origin-story); last season will be z, (eg Daleks/ resolution of whatever stuff I need to untangle that I put in in first two seasons)”.
Jodie Whittaker confirmed she’s staying on for series 13 at least. I don’t think Chibs has stated how long he’s staying but I’m sure he won’t leave before Jodie does.26 January 2020 at 20:38 #69383
Wow. I was expecting this to just be a largely standalone story subtly commenting on police brutality (given that the Judoon are in it and it’s written by Vinay Patel, who has written more serious/’heavy’ drama in the past) but it went in a completely different direction. It almost feels a bit ‘kitchen sink’, bringing back the Master and destroying Gallifrey earlier in the series and now bringing back Jack, hinting at a Cyberman arc and introducing a Doctor from another dimension(?), but after last series barely had an arc or any ties to Who lore, I’m absolutely fine with that. Very excited to see where this goes.19 January 2020 at 20:47 #69233
My thoughts on this are pretty much the same as @juniperfish‘s. So far the Chibnall era’s greatest accomplishment in my eyes is making me actively enjoy the historical episodes. I’ve never disliked them but in the past I’ve generally been fairly indifferent to them, as they often (in New Who at least) tended to focus more on the alien of the week than on the historical setting. Series 11’s historicals, particularly the first two, were standout moments of that series due to the way they fully made the most of the time period and the historical figures/characters, and while this episode wasn’t as strong as those, it was still very enjoyable.
I also loved the period costumes that the companions wore. And I liked the way the scorpion monsters were animated running through the street, although I’m not sure why they were so clumsy?15 January 2020 at 14:23 #69116
Thanks for the link to the blog post, that’s very interesting. So in this particular episode, do the two (or more) Earth timelines exist concurrently, and can the Doctor travel to whichever one she chooses to?13 January 2020 at 19:30 #69051
This may be something that’s been addressed in Doctor Who before and I’ve just forgotten about, but I’m confused by the Doctor saying that the time when this episode takes place is part of just one possible timeline. How does that work? Can the Doctor choose which timeline she wants to go to when she’s time travelling? Could she also go to the timeline where humanity survived? I know she’s said before that time can be rewritten, but how far does that go? Can time be rewritten by, for example, humans fighting climate change in their own time, or can it only be rewritten by time travellers? Are these questions even making sense any more? My head hurts…
I’ve thought of one possible explanation that doesn’t throw up so many questions: perhaps Graham’s teleport cube sent them to a parallel universe – one that used to be more or less the same as our own, but diverged when humanity failed to address global warming. This would also explain why the Doctor didn’t go back to save Bella and Kane at the end of the episode; the TARDIS can’t move between different universes. Of course, this begs the question, how did the Tranquility Spa get hold the technology to do that? As far as I can remember, it’s almost impossible to move between universes. although of course the Doctor has done it before anyway.6 January 2020 at 14:42 #68864
@bluesqueakpip Fair enough, it doesn’t seem so bad when you put it like that. It was certainly quite an uncomfortable scene but I suppose that was the intention.6 January 2020 at 10:48 #68852
That was another strong episode. Not perfect – the ending was rather rushed, as is often the case with Chibnall’s stories – but it does feel like he’s getting into his stride now. That said, I’m not sure how I feel about The Doctor’s methods of dealing with The Master in this episode. Her using his own skin colour to turn the Nazis against him is a questionable choice. And by taking his TARDIS, she left The Master unsupervised on Earth for 77 years; how many more people did he kill in that time?
Anyway, I’m very intrigued by this Gallifrey arc. Clearly Chibbers has been planning it for a while, as there was that reference to ‘the timeless child’ last series, so hopefully it will be a good one.5 January 2020 at 10:49 #68827
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I thought the place that Yaz and the Doctor were taken to was a visual representation of their DNA. We’ve seen that the spies who were captured by those aliens had their DNA changed, and Lenny Henry’s was only 93% human, so I think Yaz also had her DNA altered somehow while she was in there.2 January 2020 at 13:28 #68756
@miapatrick That’s a good point, I thought it was a bit unusual for the Master to directly try to kill the Doctor in this way. It would definitely make sense for him to be angry with the Doctor if he comes directly after Simm’s Master, as you say.
Now I may be wrong but I think Time Lords do remember meeting their past selves, just not their future selves. So Simm’s Master won’t remember meeting Missy, but she will remember meeting him. So if Missy did survive after The Doctor Falls, she should still remember the events of that episode, which makes it seem unlikely that this new Master comes directly after her, otherwise he would have no apparent reason to betray the Doctor again. Hopefully we’ll find out on Sunday.
I have no idea what the ‘everything you know is a lie’ comment means either. Definitely seems like there’ll be a proper story arc this series.2 January 2020 at 11:32 #68751
Hi everyone, I’m new here. This was a great start to the series, easily one of the best Chibnall-penned episodes yet. That reveal at the end caught me totally off guard!
I hope next episode they give some indication of whether this version of the Master comes after Missy (meaning she survived in The Doctor Falls), or if this is a previous incarnation of the Master that we just haven’t seen before. If it’s the former, I’ll be disappointed if they ignore Missy’s character development from series 10. Still, I’m glad we got a glimpse of what I hope is the Master’s TARDIS (the flying house).