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25 July 2020 at 14:47 #70851
@dalekbuster523 Batwoman is pretty good isn’t it? I haven’t seen any of the other Arrowverse stuff and I don’t really want to go down that particular rabbit hole, but I started watching Batwoman on a whim and I’m really enjoying it. I think it does a great job of making you care about and sympathise with the characters, even the villains to an extent.7 June 2020 at 19:31 #70742
Hi all, I hope everyone is doing alright at the moment. Just wanted to share this lovely new mini-episode written by Steven Moffat (apparently the last of the semi-official Doctor Who Lockdown stories): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOJ0OU6Odh4
And also, for anyone who hasn’t seen it yet (it doesn’t seem to have been posted on here), The Secret of Novice Hame is great as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0H260uP9wM27 April 2020 at 12:08 #70540
This sounds like it will be huge – a new multi-format story to be released over the course of twelve weeks later this year: https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/time-lord-victorious-a-new-multi-platform-adventure?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=time_lord_victorious&utm_content=news3 April 2020 at 19:00 #70392
And here’s a new Eleventh Hour prequel! https://twitter.com/StevenWMoffat/status/12461230457161441303 April 2020 at 09:24 #70382
Ah sorry, I thought from your first question that you were saying River had been previously stated to be the Doctor’s mother.
I hadn’t really thought about the bassinet before but that’s a good question. I suppose it’s possible that River could be Tecteun, but that would be a huge bootstrap paradox. She was brought up by Madame Kovarian and the Silence in hopes that she would kill the Doctor. In other words, River only exists in the way she does because of the existence of the Doctor, so it would be paradoxical for her to have also gone back in time and brought up the Doctor as a baby (not to mention a bit weird for her to be both the Doctor’s wife and mother). Of course, stranger things have happened in Doctor Who.
From a production standpoint, I doubt we’ll see River again in the show (maybe a cameo some day, but nothing major), because she’s very much a Steven Moffat character, and I don’t think Chris Chibnall would want to, or should, try to add anything to her story. It’s definitely interesting to think about the possibilities though!2 April 2020 at 19:22 #70380
I think you’ve got your Doctor backstory a bit mixed up. River is the Doctor’s wife, not her mother.
As for your sixth question, I don’t think the story is a complete lie, but it’s certainly possible that the Master was partially lying or not telling the whole truth. One possible theory is that the Timeless Child is actually the Master, and he was lying to see how the Doctor would react if she thought it was her.2 April 2020 at 19:16 #70379
There’s another new short story on the Doctor Who website, this time by Pete McTighe: https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/0f866ddb-21fd-47e0-80c2-0f7da6ac64a828 March 2020 at 16:19 #70307
Happy birthday @craig 🙂 Sorry you’re having to spend it alone but I hope you have a good day anyway!21 March 2020 at 20:55 #70207
That was great, I really enjoyed watching it again. It’s only been less than a year since I last watched this episode but I’d forgotten quite how brilliant it is. I loved Strax’s introduction video too, that was hilarious.
Also, this quote from @bluesqueakpip in this thread, four and half years ago, has aged remarkably well. 😉
At least thirteen. Possibly twenty six. Possibly an infinite number of them.
Or possibly the entire population of Gallifrey consists of different incarnations of the Doctor. It’s just that most of them keep it a secret. 😉11 March 2020 at 11:38 #70109
I’m definitely in the minority here but I prefer watching shows over the course of several days/weeks rather than binging them. I almost always feel like going and doing something else after watching just one episode of a show, even if it’s short. (Though it can sometimes be a bit frustrating waiting a whole week between episodes if I’m really invested in it, like I was with The Good Place and usually am with Doctor Who.) I’m not a fan of streaming services in general to be honest, I find them a bit overwhelming. I realise this makes me sound like an old fuddy-duddy even though I’m only 18…
Anyway, I second all the praise for The Good Place. Easily the cleverest sitcom I’ve ever seen, and the ending was absolutely perfect.7 March 2020 at 13:08 #70064
Oh right, I must have forgotten the explanation of Barton. I wonder if he’ll be back at some point, seeing as he got away at the end of the episode.
That’s true about the Master but I still think there should have been at least an acknowledgement that he was trapped last time we saw him, instead of him just showing up and nobody questioning it.
I accept your point that what the Doctor said was reasonable given the circumstances. I think the reason some people are criticising it is because often when the Doctor says or does something questionable, it’s framed in a somewhat negative light (for example, a companion might be uncomfortable with it or the Doctor might say they regret it afterwards), whereas there was nothing like that when she spoke to the Master in this episode. Knowing the Master though, it seems likely that he was trying to goad her into that kind of reaction anyway.7 March 2020 at 12:05 #70061
The Police Box TARDIS can be explained as the Hartnell Doctor ‘stealing’ his previous TARDIS – without knowing that she was the TARDIS he’d used before. It actually fits better with Sexy’s comment that ‘she stole him’ if she’d known the Doctor in his/her pre-mind-wipe incarnations.
Mm, that’s definitely possible, and would fit in quite nicely with Clara showing the Doctor which TARDIS to steal. It would lead to some interesting implications; for example, the TARDIS would know more about the Doctor’s past than the Doctor themself does. It also suggests that the pre-Hartnell Doctor spent a lot of time on Earth, just like they do now (although we could already have guessed that from RuthDoc choosing to chameleon arch herself on Earth).
Yeah, I really don’t like the Doctor using this revelation as a way to say she’s better than the Master. On the other hand though, we’ve seen time and time again that the Doctor is not perfect. If this is leading up to another ‘Time Lord Victorious’ moment, where the Doctor becomes obsessed with the power she now believes herself to have, before crashing back down to earth (so to speak), I think it could work. I’m willing to give Chibnall the benefit of the doubt for now in the hope that he takes this to a reasonable conclusion.
That said, I’m also concerned by the Doctor’s apparent lack of remorse at not just blowing up all the other Time Lords on Gallifrey, but allowing a human to sacrifice himself to do that. She didn’t have much choice, given that it was the only way of stopping the CyberMasters, but she didn’t seem to be as distraught as you’d expect; she was clearly tired and upset in general, but as far as I can remember she didn’t actually comment on the fact that pretty much her entire species has just been killed, again. Maybe this will be expanded on in the next series too though. I don’t have a huge amount of faith in Chibnall’s ability to follow through on his set-ups, after the plot points that he just left hanging in this series without explaining them (the main ones that spring to mind are Daniel Barton having 7% non-human DNA, and the Master being trapped in the Kasaavin dimension), but we’ll see.6 March 2020 at 19:26 #70040
@nightingale Yeah, I think it would be a interesting choice for a new Doctor to be introduced before starting her proper tenure. Especially because we still don’t know much about who Lee and Gat are, so it would be really interesting to get to know them throughout this Doctor’s era with the foreknowledge of what happened to them in Fugitive of the Judoon. I think she’d probably get the screwdriver back after undoing the memory wipe though!6 March 2020 at 14:28 #70035
Hi! I’m glad you like the theory 🙂 I’m sure there’s a few holes in it but the same can be said about pretty much any theory at this point.
That said, Ruth was on the run from Division-looking Time Lords such as Gat, which would appear to pin her down to her time in the Division in her youth.
That’s true, but it’s possible that Ruth could be at a later point in her life, and Gat found her by travelling forward in time. The Judoon didn’t know Ruth was their fugitive until they got a chance to scan her, which indicates that she’s probably regenerated at least once since they last saw her?
The last memory wipe must be during the Hartnell incarnation to explain the Doctor’s current memories.
I think the implication was that the memory wipe we know about happened at the start of that incarnation’s life, and the Doctor was turned back into a child somehow, as the Doctor and the Master both remember growing up together.
Now we know that every Time Lord shares the Doctor’s DNA, could it be that the most compelling evidence that Ruth is the real Doctor (the Judoon’s duplicate identification) is false? And the most compelling evidence that they’re different people (no adverse effects to proximity) is the real clue?
Maybe! The Doctor’s sonic screwdriver also registered Ruth as a different person, but I suppose that might have been fooled by the shared DNA as well. I’m not sure what adverse effects there should have been? As far as I can remember, the only consistent effect of Time Lords meeting themselves is that the younger incarnation forgets that it happened. I did think after making that post earlier that this was one potential flaw in my theory, but actually the only time the Doctor mentioned Ruth after meeting her was at the end of Fugitive of the Judoon, at which point the two of them had only just parted. I don’t know how long it takes for people (or specifically Time Lords) to forget meeting their future selves, but presumably it can’t be instantaneous, otherwise they’d forget what was going on if they just looked away from their future self for a second! So I think Ruth could still be a future Doctor, and it just took a little while for 13 to forget meeting her.6 March 2020 at 10:07 #70029
I was just thinking, it seems a little improbable that there are all these past versions of the Doctor wandering around in time and space, and yet the Doctor, in their current life, has never encountered any of them until this series. That made me wonder, maybe the Timeless Child (i.e. the Doctor pre-Hartnell) was put in a time lock before being turned back into a child, which would make them unreachable by time travel. With the Doctor now having met Ruth, it would seem that she (or maybe all incarnations of the Timeless Child) has escaped from the time lock – unless she was never in it in the first place.
Here’s what we know about RuthDoc. She calls herself the Doctor – we don’t know if the Timeless Child went by this name before becoming the ‘First Doctor’ that we know. Her TARDIS looks like a police box – we don’t know if the Timeless Child also had a police box TARDIS, but it wouldn’t make much sense if they did. She doesn’t remember being the 13th Doctor, she doesn’t recognise the sonic screwdriver, and she didn’t know that Gallifrey had been destroyed. She also seemed somewhat willing to use violence while still acknowledging that she knows the Doctor doesn’t use guns, which could suggest some kind of confusion about her own morals – almost as if her memory has been altered?
My theory is that Ruth is the 14th Doctor. When the Time Lords found out that the Doctor had learned the secret of the Timeless Child, they got hold of her and wiped her memory, or at least altered it somehow. (I know the Time Lords have apparently all been wiped out (again) in the latest episode, but I’m sure they’ll be back.) Maybe this memory wipe caused her to commit a crime, perhaps inadvertently, which is why she’s now a fugitive.
(Another possibility regarding the Doctor never meeting the Timeless Child is that she has met them before, but didn’t know it was her past self. However, given the Doctor’s tendency to introduce themself as the Doctor to everyone they meet, this seems unlikely unless the Timeless Child didn’t go by that name. Ruth obviously does go by that name, so if anything this backs up my theory.)
I don’t know how likely this theory is to be true; we’ve certainly been led to believe that Ruth is pre-Hartnell, and that would make sense considering we’ve just had an entire episode about the existence of pre-Hartnell Doctors. But I think there’s a possibility it’s a red herring. It would explain her TARDIS anyway. And I’d be very happy for Jo Martin to be the 14th Doctor, she was great in Fugitive of the Judoon.5 March 2020 at 17:15 #70016
@jimthefish I don’t agree that this storyline is designed to make room for a Doctor Who Extended Universe, because such a thing already exists. As I’m sure you know, there are hundreds of Doctor Who books and comics, and a fair few video games too – and that’s before we mention the ridiculously prolific Big Finish. The pre-Hartnell regenerations will certainly open up some new possibilities for stories, and potentially allow one-off actors to play the Doctor (which I don’t really want to happen, personally), but the Whoniverse already has infinite story possibilities, so I really don’t think the BBC would need to shake up the Doctor’s backstory this much just for commercial purposes. I’m hoping that Chibbers has some sort of multi-series arc planned that will give the Timeless Child storyline a solid reason to exist beyond just being potential spin-off material.3 March 2020 at 18:55 #69969
@davros I haven’t seen much of pre-2005 Doctor Who yet so there’s a lot of those that I don’t recognise, but I know #11 is a Dreg from Orphan 55, #12 is clearly Gallifrey but I’m not sure what the shapes in the foreground are, and #19 is the Pting from The Tsuranga Conundrum. I recognise #15 but can’t think who she is. I’ve seen some people on Twitter point out who the face on the left in #25 is though: it’s the Abzorbaloff from Love and Monsters! And I think the person on the right in the same image might be River?3 March 2020 at 18:50 #69968
I do feel though that it is hugely ironic that a scene that was intended to establish that the Doctor had limits to his regenerative ability is now used in a huge retcon to establish the Doctor is immortal with no limits.
Do we actually know that the Doctor is immortal though? For all we know, when the Doctor’s life was restarted, they could have been given the 12-regeneration limit. That’s how I interpreted it, and I certainly hope that’s the case, as I said before.
To be honest I find myself in two minds about this retcon. I think it could lead to some interesting stories and I don’t think it’s as damaging to the (already wibbly-wobbly) canon as many people are making it out to be. On the other hand, I agree with a lot of the criticisms of it, especially that, at the moment, it’s not clear why Chibnall has introduced this backstory other than for the initial shock value of it. I think I’ll need to see where it goes next before I can decide how I feel about it, but right now I wouldn’t be opposed to a future showrunner ret-retconning it (or even Chibnall himself revealing that the Master wasn’t telling the whole truth – that could well be part of his plan).2 March 2020 at 19:04 #69943
I hope the next series makes it clear that the reason the Doctor is so different, personality-wise, to most other Time Lords is not because she’s the Timeless Child, but because she’s the Doctor. I don’t think it would send a very good message to the audience if the only reason she decided to escape from being a puppet to the Time Lords and instead devote her life to exploration and kindness is because she comes from a different species. She should be able to do that no matter who she is. To quote Mewtwo from the first Pokémon movie, ‘The circumstances of one’s birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.’2 March 2020 at 16:27 #699392 March 2020 at 16:26 #69938
@miapatrick Hmm, that’s true. The memories that the Doctor saw of the Timeless Child could have been projected into her mind by the Master, perhaps, like he apparently did with the Brendan thing (not that there was any indication from the Doctor that she was receiving those images, which was odd).
By the way, was it explained why the Doctor’s memory was wiped, or is that still a mystery?
@galaxymage Does this mean that The Doctor has unlimited regenerations or are they also restricted to 12 in their new cycle? Was Brendan another one of her lives, or her mind processing the secret?
I’m pretty sure Brendan was a filter that was put over the history of the Timeless Child in the Matrix so it wouldn’t be found out. So Brendan being found as a baby represented Tecteun finding the child, Brendan falling off the cliff and surviving represented the child falling and regenerating, etc.
I hope regeneration is still restricted. If it’s unlimited it will remove all tension that anything might happen to the Doctor; they’ll be functionally immortal. (I mean, I’m sure the writers will always find a way to increase the regeneration limit as long as the show is popular, but still.)2 March 2020 at 09:33 #69925
I liked this episode overall! This Timeless Child reveal adds a lot more mystery to the Doctor’s character again so I’m excited to see where else the writers are going to go with it. My only issue with it is that, looking back at all the events and people that have had huge impacts on the Doctor’s life, the impact of these seems to be lessened a bit now that we know the Doctor has had many lives before the ones we’ve seen on screen. That said, this is sort of a Ship of Theseus paradox: The Doctor’s body changes every time they regenerate, and they lost their memories when they became the Doctor that we know today. So if they have a different body and different memories, are they really still the same person as ‘The Timeless Child’? I’d say no, not exactly.
I’ve seen a few people point out on Twitter that the eight pre-Hartnell incarnations of the Doctor that were shown in The Brains of Morbius (1976) briefly appeared in the scene in this episode where the Doctor was going through her memories to escape from the Matrix. I have a feeling Chibnall got the idea for this Timeless Child arc because he was so annoyed by the ‘Morbius Doctors’ inconsistency that he felt compelled to rewrite the Doctor’s entire backstory to make it fit. And I don’t mean that as a criticism, I honestly admire his dedication. If we could now get a new season for each plot hole from the last 56 years, that would be great.
Also, what are the odds that the Master’s going to show up again before long with no explanation of how he survived? We still don’t know what happened to Missy after The Doctor Falls, and this finale didn’t even acknowledge the Master being trapped in the Kasaavin dimension at the end of Spyfall.12 February 2020 at 19:26 #69663
@missrori That statement makes it clear that the intention of the scene was good at least, even though it clearly could have been handled better.11 February 2020 at 14:38 #69651
I think this episode was really good for the first half hour – the villains were interesting and creepy, the companions all got things to do and I loved the animated sequence. The pacing of the ending let it down for me though; the immortal villains were defeated in the blink of an eye once they returned to Syria, and then the episode spent about 10 minutes on the mental health messages – which are of course important, and I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been there, but I think the main plot suffered a bit as a result. It’s mostly the fault of the 50-minute runtime; this may have worked better as a two-parter, and then the villains could have been more fleshed out and the resolution would have had more time to play out. Still, I really enjoyed the episode overall.
I have to say, I feel the same way as @davros about the companions. I like these three but I’m not connecting to them as much as previous companions either. I think part of the reason for that is that each of them rarely gets time alone with the Doctor. Normally we learn a lot about the companions via their relationship with the Doctor, but with these ones I don’t really know how they individually get on with her. We did see Graham alone with her at the end of this episode, which I appreciated; he’s probably my favourite of the three. I’m not sure how to feel about the Doctor’s lack of comforting words towards him though.9 February 2020 at 13:58 #69622
Interesting (and I use the word ‘interesting’ loosely here) to note that the seventh episode of last series, Kerblam!, was the first ever episode to have an exclamation mark in the title, and the seventh episode of this series, Can You Hear Me?, is the first one to have a question mark. Could this be foreshadowing some sort of punctuation-based story arc that will gradually unfold during the seventh episodes of each series? (No.)1 February 2020 at 21:03 #69524
Here’s a theory that popped into my head as I woke up earlier. I’m sure it’s completely wrong but I like it.
What if Ruth is one of the Doctor’s children? Maybe something separated the two of them from each other when Ruth was young (probably on a previous regeneration) and she believed the Doctor had died. From then on, she took on the mantle of ‘The Doctor’. As her life went on, she began to think only of herself as The Doctor and forgot about her parent. I admit it seems unlikely that she would completely forget that her parent was also called the Doctor, which sort of ruins this idea. However, that brings me onto my next bonkers theory:
Ruth is the Doctor’s mother! She also went by the name of The Doctor, and she died when her child was young (or maybe during childbirth, if that’s how Time Lord reproduction works). Her husband, or whatever kind of partner she had, gave the baby the title The Doctor as well, in honour of their mother. When we see Ruth in Fugitive of the Judoon, she hasn’t yet given birth, so when she meets our Doctor she doesn’t know who it could be.
Of course, this fails to explain why the sonic screwdriver recognised her as the same person as the Doctor we know, unless the sonic can’t differentiate between different members of the same family (I’m sure it can). And it also doesn’t explain why Ruth’s TARDIS looks like a police box. These holes in the theory could probably be filled in with some complicated timey-wimey thinking but, as I said, I’m 99% sure it’s not correct. I would love to meet some more of the Doctor’s family though!28 January 2020 at 15:41 #69452
@jimthefish Good point. My theory may have been partially wishful thinking as I also would have liked to see more of Gat. Then again, this is a show about time travel so that may not be out of the question…28 January 2020 at 14:39 #69444
I wonder if the Judoon’s guns in this episode really killed people, or if they were actually teleporters of some kind, like what Captain Jack used to transport the Doctor’s companions. Lee and Gat were both shot by these guns, but they’re clearly important characters and we still don’t know exactly who they are, so it seems a bit premature for them to be dead already. And Gat is a Time Lord (she only referred to herself as a Gallifreyan but the Doctor called her a Time Lord) so why didn’t she regenerate? Maybe she died too quickly to regenerate, or maybe the gun actually teleported her somewhere. If there is indeed a parallel universe involved here, perhaps these guns could be a way of transporting people between universes.28 January 2020 at 10:31 #69434
Finally there is the concept of the multiverse, in which a potentially infinite number of superimposed but separate universes theoretically exist and have always existed, but I don’t recall that having been referenced in Doctor Who.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched it but isn’t that what happened in series 2? There was certainly the parallel universe where the new Cybermen were created and Rose ended up in, but I seem to remember the Doctor saying something about there being infinite possible universes, separated by the Void (which the Cybermen found a way of travelling through).
Btw do we know how many seasons Chibnall (and Whittaker) are likely to do? Will they leave together?
Not that I want either to leave, its just I’d imagine Chibnall would plan out his tenure for example “the first season will be x eg all wonder and ‘new’ and light and glee and new monsters; second season will be y (eg give Doctor mystery, introspection, Timelords and origin-story); last season will be z, (eg Daleks/ resolution of whatever stuff I need to untangle that I put in in first two seasons)”.
Jodie Whittaker confirmed she’s staying on for series 13 at least. I don’t think Chibs has stated how long he’s staying but I’m sure he won’t leave before Jodie does.26 January 2020 at 20:38 #69383
Wow. I was expecting this to just be a largely standalone story subtly commenting on police brutality (given that the Judoon are in it and it’s written by Vinay Patel, who has written more serious/’heavy’ drama in the past) but it went in a completely different direction. It almost feels a bit ‘kitchen sink’, bringing back the Master and destroying Gallifrey earlier in the series and now bringing back Jack, hinting at a Cyberman arc and introducing a Doctor from another dimension(?), but after last series barely had an arc or any ties to Who lore, I’m absolutely fine with that. Very excited to see where this goes.19 January 2020 at 20:47 #69233
My thoughts on this are pretty much the same as @juniperfish‘s. So far the Chibnall era’s greatest accomplishment in my eyes is making me actively enjoy the historical episodes. I’ve never disliked them but in the past I’ve generally been fairly indifferent to them, as they often (in New Who at least) tended to focus more on the alien of the week than on the historical setting. Series 11’s historicals, particularly the first two, were standout moments of that series due to the way they fully made the most of the time period and the historical figures/characters, and while this episode wasn’t as strong as those, it was still very enjoyable.
I also loved the period costumes that the companions wore. And I liked the way the scorpion monsters were animated running through the street, although I’m not sure why they were so clumsy?15 January 2020 at 14:23 #69116
Thanks for the link to the blog post, that’s very interesting. So in this particular episode, do the two (or more) Earth timelines exist concurrently, and can the Doctor travel to whichever one she chooses to?13 January 2020 at 19:30 #69051
This may be something that’s been addressed in Doctor Who before and I’ve just forgotten about, but I’m confused by the Doctor saying that the time when this episode takes place is part of just one possible timeline. How does that work? Can the Doctor choose which timeline she wants to go to when she’s time travelling? Could she also go to the timeline where humanity survived? I know she’s said before that time can be rewritten, but how far does that go? Can time be rewritten by, for example, humans fighting climate change in their own time, or can it only be rewritten by time travellers? Are these questions even making sense any more? My head hurts…
I’ve thought of one possible explanation that doesn’t throw up so many questions: perhaps Graham’s teleport cube sent them to a parallel universe – one that used to be more or less the same as our own, but diverged when humanity failed to address global warming. This would also explain why the Doctor didn’t go back to save Bella and Kane at the end of the episode; the TARDIS can’t move between different universes. Of course, this begs the question, how did the Tranquility Spa get hold the technology to do that? As far as I can remember, it’s almost impossible to move between universes. although of course the Doctor has done it before anyway.6 January 2020 at 14:42 #68864
@bluesqueakpip Fair enough, it doesn’t seem so bad when you put it like that. It was certainly quite an uncomfortable scene but I suppose that was the intention.6 January 2020 at 10:48 #68852
That was another strong episode. Not perfect – the ending was rather rushed, as is often the case with Chibnall’s stories – but it does feel like he’s getting into his stride now. That said, I’m not sure how I feel about The Doctor’s methods of dealing with The Master in this episode. Her using his own skin colour to turn the Nazis against him is a questionable choice. And by taking his TARDIS, she left The Master unsupervised on Earth for 77 years; how many more people did he kill in that time?
Anyway, I’m very intrigued by this Gallifrey arc. Clearly Chibbers has been planning it for a while, as there was that reference to ‘the timeless child’ last series, so hopefully it will be a good one.5 January 2020 at 10:49 #68827
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I thought the place that Yaz and the Doctor were taken to was a visual representation of their DNA. We’ve seen that the spies who were captured by those aliens had their DNA changed, and Lenny Henry’s was only 93% human, so I think Yaz also had her DNA altered somehow while she was in there.2 January 2020 at 13:28 #68756
@miapatrick That’s a good point, I thought it was a bit unusual for the Master to directly try to kill the Doctor in this way. It would definitely make sense for him to be angry with the Doctor if he comes directly after Simm’s Master, as you say.
Now I may be wrong but I think Time Lords do remember meeting their past selves, just not their future selves. So Simm’s Master won’t remember meeting Missy, but she will remember meeting him. So if Missy did survive after The Doctor Falls, she should still remember the events of that episode, which makes it seem unlikely that this new Master comes directly after her, otherwise he would have no apparent reason to betray the Doctor again. Hopefully we’ll find out on Sunday.
I have no idea what the ‘everything you know is a lie’ comment means either. Definitely seems like there’ll be a proper story arc this series.2 January 2020 at 11:32 #68751
Hi everyone, I’m new here. This was a great start to the series, easily one of the best Chibnall-penned episodes yet. That reveal at the end caught me totally off guard!
I hope next episode they give some indication of whether this version of the Master comes after Missy (meaning she survived in The Doctor Falls), or if this is a previous incarnation of the Master that we just haven’t seen before. If it’s the former, I’ll be disappointed if they ignore Missy’s character development from series 10. Still, I’m glad we got a glimpse of what I hope is the Master’s TARDIS (the flying house).