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24 February 2016 at 12:06 #51076
Blimey, what Guardian have you two been reading lately? Its drift to being just another neo-liberal talking shop has been utterly depressing. If that’s ‘becoming more political’ then gawd help us.
There’s a map somewhere of the seats “Apathy” would have won in the GE if it was a party. The Grauns utter inability to grasp why Corbyn won the Labour leadership, instead just uncritically joining in the wholesale assaults on him, shows that its idea of “political” is very narrow and blind to that map. It is blunder akin to that of Clegg, thinking that being a bit more like the Tories would be a viable long-term strategy.
But anyway, the EU presents it with no problem: it has been internationalist from day one. Through its narrow political filter being a bit cosy with a Tory ain’t a problem.
19 February 2016 at 11:07 #51031@puroandson
You’ve been scammed.
15 February 2016 at 12:55 #50983Duh! Yes, of course.
15 February 2016 at 11:22 #50980@puroandson
He recognised Pertwee from something else.
Probably Catweazle. (sp?)
11 February 2016 at 11:06 #50945It is possible that Apple has stumbled upon the answer in app-based boxes. But licensing still needs sorting out. HBO has an app in the US but nowhere else, because they keep selling individual shows to local partners. The content makers need to learn for Netlfix and Amazon and cut out the middlemen.
10 February 2016 at 11:34 #50940Er, @craig or @jimthefish…. two posts up. Is it half term already?
8 February 2016 at 22:11 #50921It is a source to total bafflement to me that the likes of HBO and Showtime are yet to grasp that they have a global audience and need to start cutting the middlemen out of their non-US operations. I shall continue to cheerfully bootleg their stuff until they stop requiring me to give money to Rupert Murdoch and his mutant spawn to see it. But I will happily pay a subscription directly to them.
8 February 2016 at 22:06 #50920Bah. Just spotted the typo
ISN’T rumour making.
8 February 2016 at 11:59 #50911(and puroandson @missy @janetteb)
(moved to new news thread)
I find it disrespectful of these bloggers to be burying him before the body is even pronounced dead.
People on the internet being disrespectful, you say? I for one am shocked! But really, fantasy casting is rumour making.
yin/yang
:shrug: I’m not a big fan of dualism, nor of gender stereotyping.
8 February 2016 at 11:48 #50910So, we still don’t know who the Hybrid is then?
Go back and watch again (as if you need an excuse!).
8 February 2016 at 02:29 #50898@nerys @puroandson @doctordani
new News forum guys http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/dr-who-news-4/
@jimthefish – can this be locked?
7 February 2016 at 13:30 #50886News seems to have hit its limit…
7 February 2016 at 12:02 #50883@puroandson
The knuckleheads pack very well and give the impression of being more numerous than they are – and also, as we of all know, the decent folks tend to wander off.
My epiphany, many moons ago now, was that I am under no obligation to be nice to these arseholes.
7 February 2016 at 11:56 #50882No, he said the “Hybrid is Me” (and was outside the Dial when he said that), not “I am the hybrid”. He thought it was Ashildr.
And even the ‘ghost-computer-so-powerful-it-is-indistinguishable-from-magic’ can’t always be precise in its accuracy.
7 February 2016 at 11:49 #50881I need to rant after reading the recent Doctor Who rumor. Emma Watson?
Always bear in mind the distinction between “rumour” and “something some fantasist pluck from his bottom”.
Setting aside that Watson is probably beyond the Who budget, her ambitions currently lie a way beyond UK Telly(1). Emily Watson on the other hand…
Just don’t see the argument against a female Doctor. They all strike me as special pleading. In the past I’ve suggested Gina Belman (with whom Moffat has worked on Coupling) and (only partially in jest) Felicia Day. But there are many who could pull it off, and any listen to the Forgotten Superheroes Of Science segment of The Skeptics Guide to The Universe shows they are nearly all women.
Peter Jackson
Another example of a passing, made in jest, comment becoming a rumour.
@puroandson
“the stupids” comment. I must retract that
Nope. If the glove fits, convict.
(1) Mind you, if all she had done was her speech to the UN General Assembly, her entire life would have been worthwhile.
5 February 2016 at 01:05 #50837At the beginning of Grapes of Wrath, Tom Joad stops off at a diner to blag a ride. He doesn’t even go into the diner and yet Steinbeck brings the waitress, who we never meet again, completely to life through the simple device of having her inspect a lump under her ear, while talking to a trucker (who we, again, don’t meet after he drops Joad off, but who is similarly and economically fleshed out).
Moffat’s gift is similar economy. We feel for Anita and both the Dave’s because he has used enough craft to make the entire Song team feel like a group of people, not a group of plot devices.
In 42 all of the crew are pretty much interchangeable (and the two survivors even looked too much alike – a basic casting error) and felt a lot more red-shirty – although this didn’t bother me as much as it does Jim.
But also, that was in 2007, the fat end of a decade ago, and one would hope CC has developed as a writer. There is sufficient evidence that he has, within Who, but cause for concern in the Show that May Not Be Named where two key new characters were 100 degrees proof spirit plot device, and a waste of fine actors and a cancer on the story. His downright petulant response probably didn’t help perceptions, though.
(Whithouse has 5 seasons of Being Human (and a format sale to the US) under his belt and had to manage massive cast changes as people got big job offers, and has a Who portfolio of highly-regarded character-driven stories – while the most recent experience of CC is the shoeing he got for TSTMNBN. It is simply not as clear-cut as you assert, pip – but also entirely moot)
4 February 2016 at 22:17 #50832So just watched this again for the first time since new year.
Bugger me it’s a masterpiece.
“Tomorrow is promised to no-one, Doctor, but I insist upon my past”
“Every story ever told really happened.”
4 February 2016 at 00:26 #50810Yeah, but he has a multi-season TV show under his belt, with the BBC and knows how it works. And Being Human is pretty much the same niche as Dr Who.
3 February 2016 at 22:45 #50808It is unlikely either Neil Gaiman or Richard Curtis would have time to do the job!
I suspect Toby Whithouse was only other viable “in-house” alternative.
3 February 2016 at 15:28 #50802@Hmeow
1. Is Clara saying that she and Dr. should call the police next time?
Yes, but it is (scriptwriter’s) a joke.
2. Does “they” in the Doctor’s line refer to Vastra team? If they close the restaurant, would the half-faced man be pleased?
I think more a general reference to authority, rather then the Police or the Paternoster Gang. The half-faced man feels under attack, so I doubt he is pleased about much! 😉
2 February 2016 at 14:38 #50780@puroandson
Nope. No real interest. Sorkin is another one who I wish would get back to his own characters.
2 February 2016 at 14:37 #50779Over time, I’ve come not to trust our Doctor, he lies and some things don’t work on him
The Doctor does, but Moffat doesn’t (other than expediently to protect from spoilers). He is a fair writer. If the Doctor lied, we are told explicitly. If he had a cunning plan, we are told explicitly. If he has Clara’s back, we are told explicitly.
When Clara says “I might be Clara” the exquisite torture on her face, as she realises he has no idea who she is, is stunning acting by Coleman and screams volumes. No slapped-on emoting, no tears – just utter desolation.
The trick of great writing is knowing when to stop adding layers. That is where Moffat stopped.
1 February 2016 at 13:19 #50761Oh, they handled the exit well enough. But there was scuttlebutt fairly early that the producers felt Freema “wasn’t working out”. She’s had enough regular gigs since to suggest that she is reasonably competent at this ‘acting’ lark, so I think that raises legitimate question as to whether it was the storyline that ‘was not working out’.
And the praise for her in this thread, about this episode, adds a little spice to that.
1 February 2016 at 00:47 #50733You are thinking a very Terran way….
31 January 2016 at 23:44 #50728And also it has been heavily implied that Time Lords can always recognise each other, absent a chameleon arch thingummy.
And I bet Gallifreyan DNA readers are pretty darned sophisticated…
31 January 2016 at 23:40 #50727Setting aside that 99% of the whiners are not even remotely close to 99% of the viewers (you have surely noted that when there is a lot of negativity, those who like a show move way – and sometimes even form their own community!), tell you what, let’s look at the text. I honestly don’t see how much more clearly it can be spelt out:
(Obv MAHOOSIVE spoilers for the end of Lost)
31 January 2016 at 21:29 #50720she wears her emotions on her face and can’t hide her growing love for the Doctor
Which, alas, is how poorly served Martha was as a character (and Freema as an actor). The rebound girl cliché.
But that was RTD’s error not Chibnall’s
Haven’t rewatched yet, but recall finding it a bit of a hoot.
31 January 2016 at 21:26 #50719No wonder people were confused; little of this, little of that, little of some other thing . . . a whimper rather than a bang, messy and unsatisfying.
Nonsense. It was perfectly clear, with no “this and that”. Seriously – it was as clear as I detailed above and explained in dialogue.
It simply required people not to be Tweeting when the story was being told (something that also affects Who) – and Lost was pretty much the first show have that level of social network engagement. By early season 3 I was ready to bail on it – but then a definitive timeline was announced, with fewer (but not zero) filler episodes. So I enjoyed the ride, careful never to give a single fuck how the McGuffin Machine worked.
But the sheer number of people who still say “the were dead all along” – and that is 99.9% of the complainers – were simply not paying attention.
Also, this view is strikingly similar to those who think Moff has failed because he hasn’t done a clinical dissection of 97 levels of Galliferyan society.
And, since you mention it, the Leftovers got a bit of flack for the idea that 2% of people suddenly vanishing would be in some way a big deal. The technical term of this is “failure to do the maths”: for context, only 5% of combatants died in WW1 – but only 13 villages in the UK have no war memorial and it is likely the same in France and Germany. But its utterly uncompromising approach to storytelling is a joy, even though I’ll bet it lost a lot of viewers after 2 episodes because not enough “happened”.
Carnevale – a story that was always intend to be 5 seasons long, but cancelled after 3. Even on HBO where they have more room for manoeuvre. Mostly I was annoyed ‘cos I really rate Clea DuVall and she has never quite got the breakthrough role she merits.
31 January 2016 at 20:21 #50715’m starting to think that half my problem with ‘Hell Bent’ is that it came after ‘Heaven Sent’, which not only sealed the deal about Twelve becoming my fave, but was an absolute, unequivocal masterpiece and pretty much anything was going to feel like an anti-climax next to it.
I think the key is to look at S9 as a whole, rather than as a set of episodes. There’s nothing in Hell Bent that wasn’t carefully set up, either directly or through metaphor.
@craig – I think we need a new News forum!
31 January 2016 at 13:01 #50710They weren’t dead? Well, it did seem like a very odd set-up for “purgatory” or whatever, all that para-science stuff. What did you think was going on?
(Moved here ‘cos off-topic)
As I said it was spelt out in text.
Those who died on the island, really died on the island. Those who escaped lived for however long they lived, while Hurley and Ben remained as the guardians of the Island and lived for however long they lived. Fake LA was where those who were ever effected by the island came together after death, as clearly explained by Jack’s dad, because the Island was the most important thing that happened to them. That is why Kate said, to an uncomprehending Jack: “I’ve missed you so much”. She lived many years without him. It is why those with some specific bond moved on together, while others (Ben, the Michelle Rodriquez character) remained to work on their issues.
So on The Island, was it mad scientists fighting over fundamental forces, or the Old Gods fighting over turf? Who nose. That’s not for us to know – it is for use to ponder. Because the story wasn’t about the Island, but about what it did to the passengers of Oceanic 815.
31 January 2016 at 00:53 #50677I think is most likely that he has been trying to extract himself for some time, and finally felt it was close enough that he could tell the story he wants.
S10 will be interesting but I hope, if Gallifrey features at all, it will be sparingly and with a tightly focussed narrative purpose – exactly like it was in Hell Bent. The moment Doctor Who starts getting bogged down in its own lore is the moment it starts to spiral.
30 January 2016 at 22:38 #50674it out over yet another season, like Lost.
Actually Lost had a known closing date 3 seasons out – of course, that didn’t stop people from completely failing to pay attention at the end (no, they weren’t dead all along), but a fixed closing date isn’t everything. It still rambled too much and that should be a caution.
I wonder if the very clear narrative thrust of S9 implies that Moff has known about what was coming for longer than he owned up to.
30 January 2016 at 00:55 #50654For those of you into spacey type stuff (which I figure covers most of us), Popular Mechanics doing what it does so well: An oral history of the Challenger accident. 30 years. Blimey.
I wandered into my flat at LSE (dorm room, for the Americans among us) and flicked the telly on. It was on BBC 1 and Blue Peter was on while I pottered about unpacking stuff and putting on some toast, and (I think) John Leslie said something about BBC2 staying with the news because of the ‘situation with the space shuttle’. That got my attention as a long-time space geek. Flicked over and the replays were already pointing out the tongue of flame licking up from the rear.
If you have never seen the BBC film The Challenger then I highly recommend it. William Hurt is just mesmerising in capturing the intellect, frustration and sheer determination of Richard Feynman.
28 January 2016 at 19:50 #50634OB-Wan
“We are all stories in the end”.
28 January 2016 at 10:47 #50623Nope. QC (Queen’s Counsel) is a rank of Barrister. One of the stepping stones on the way to becoming a judge.
Barista, on the other hand, is someone who makes coffee.
27 January 2016 at 19:32 #50602A little something pertinent to today, of all days.
27 January 2016 at 18:45 #50599Almost certainly a function of the long break. Without the break, they would be happy to pull in any buzz they can and any opportunity for new viewers to get caught up. With it, they will look to maximise direct revenue, with as few middlemen as poss. Plus, deprived of Netflix etc they might just buy hard copy.
27 January 2016 at 18:11 #50596I think they should go for a total head fuck and cast not only a woman, but an American. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Felicia Day.
It would be worth it for the site of thousands of fanboys hurling themselves off the White Cliffs of Dover.
27 January 2016 at 15:23 #50592@ichabod @puroandson
Yes! The Leftovers is full-on, uncompromising story telling. Am halfway though S2 (and apparently S3 will be the conclusion) and my head is truly fucked. In a good way.
I also recommend Rectify – a slow-burner that smoulders like a fire in undergrowth: you know if it catches everything will be destroyed.
I think I have seen the Expanse compared favourably to Firefly (possibly on Whedonesque.com to boot)
Oh and puro – see if you can find Blue Veils and White Sands on youtube. Possibly Derbyshire’s finest work, for a documentary about the Tuareg people. I think everyone who actually met her recognised her as a true genius. But the lack of appreciation higher up (she did not get a Who credit until Day of The Doctor) led her to retire and retreat. There is an excellent BBC drama about the Who fan who rediscovered her and may even have reignited her passion but for long-term alcohol abuse catching up with her. I’ll see if I can get to it fall off an internet.
27 January 2016 at 11:14 #50586Barrister – does all the work in the court room, if you see a wig its a barrister.
Solicitor – does pretty well everything else. No wigs,
I am sure Capaldi has made a remark to the effect that 3 years is optimum – and having an established assistant for a new Doctor is actually the traditional way to do it.
It would be interesting to see a generation mid-way through Moff’s last season, with him working to tee the new direction up for CC.
26 January 2016 at 14:59 #50527Nice little piece in the BBC site about the creation of the Doctor Who theme. I like that it points out the Derbyshire’s work pre-dated Kraftwerk by 11 years. (Not sure if it will work for non-UK users).
26 January 2016 at 02:29 #50492Welcome aboard!
The main thing to do at the moment is to dive straight in, as you have done.
You may find a few issues with British idiom, but both Russell T Davies (RTD) who revived the show, and even more Steven Moffat (Moff) grasped that the US was a potentially important new market for Doctor Who. So unless something really bamboozles you, just roll with it. There are many, many reference sources but they are all a bit spoiler-tastic and there are some terrific twists that it would be a shame to ruin. Better to ask here for a more “try not to ruin it” answer!
The mode of storytelling is very influenced by key US writers, notably Joss Whedon and maybe Chris Carter, with a dash of Sorkin’s “walk-and-talk”, so will be familiar, but it is (nearly all) in an English accent.
In the UK Netflix only goes up to season 7, immediately prior to the 50th Anniversary episode, which I guarantee you will want to buy if US Netflix doesn’t have it. We have just finished season 9.
26 January 2016 at 02:04 #50491The missing bit of logic there is that Capaldi might well be CC’s choice…
(But I am fairly sure Capaldi has also spoken in terms of 3 seasons being optimal)
The Mirror’s logic, obv – not yours. And at least it doesn’t have the anti-BBC agenda of the Murdoch, Desmond and Barclay press.
26 January 2016 at 00:20 #50488“Was it sudden?”
“No…. Yes….. It’s always sudden”
Yeah, was watching Jessica Jones, when life interrupted and I lost the thread. Will definitely get back to it – loved the Noir stylings, and the sense that someone involved understands Noir as more than a mere style. Kristen Ritter is tops too.
However, am currently finally catching up with Rectify S3 (slow burn as art) and The Leftovers S2 (which is as uncompromising as ever).
25 January 2016 at 23:01 #50476No, but one of his former lickspittles is now head of news, and it shows.
25 January 2016 at 23:01 #50475@jimthefish @Puroandson (when you are feeling better)
Gamesradar did a top 20 Buffy eps. Not many surprises (except fewer spuffy-centreed eps than might be expected from shipper noise) and I might fiddle with the lower rankings a bit. Impressed that they put Passion so high in the list – it often gets overlooked. And, of course, The Body really is, indeed, one of the great episodes of television, in one of the great seasons.
25 January 2016 at 22:55 #50472Rupert Murdoch, sociopath and media megalomaniac.
25 January 2016 at 22:22 #50470Ta.
What Jim said. Nothing has happened that is inconsistent with what Moffat and Capaldi have been saying for a few months now. (The Beeb is under the cosh from ideologically motived Slaves of Murdoch, but that is no reason to put 2 and 2 together and make an imaginary number).
25 January 2016 at 17:00 #50457Can’t find the quote in the link provided.
25 January 2016 at 00:20 #50425@puroandson
Straw man = misrepresentation of another’s argument in order to make it easier to attack.
You do not that reboot actually means restart, don’t you? It is imported from computing and is what happens when you shut off a computer and then restart it. Nothing is jettisoned, although it can be a good way of clearing cruft out of caches. I would have thought an engineer like you would know that.
The term you are thinking of is “reimagined” (as with Battlestar Galactica and JJ Abraham’s Star Trek). In fact the only thing that RTD did that could be considered radical was to pull the 1996 movie into canon (and even there, McCoy’s cameo made it easy, with the need only to hand wave away the half human thing).
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