@wolfweed: Well, I’m glad someone said, you beat me to it. Steven Moffat didn’t write the script, Toby Whithouse did! All right he had to approve of it, but it wasn’t his work.  Not that it matters because, as I’ve already said, I really enjoyed this episode.

@thane15:  That laugh! *shudder* It had the same affect on me as the smile he gives in t…[Read more]

@wolfweed and @toinfinityandbepond – fantastic posts.

I’ve been going through my music and though lots popped up, when listening to them, there isn’t that sense of “ah – that sums up the episode!”.

So, I have one I posted before which is… interesting and always a great tune so doing it again…[Read more]

@jimthefish Your post #58533 pretty much sums it up for me.

Like @wolfweed I’m not feeling well today, so my addition to the discussion will be brief.

All three episodes, but mainly the last two, had a nagging sense of unfulfilled potential.  ‘Extremis’ I truly enjoyed; it had intrigue, humor, and even had some concepts to contemplate, but it…[Read more]

@wolfweed– good point. In an episode in which he helps the Monks in the attempt to convince them that they’ve convinced him and he’s had a change of heart- Missy helps him, and even starts crying. Remorseful Missy is about as unlikely as willing propaganda stooge doctor.

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@thane15

You are absolutely right than many stories (though not especially in this particular one) have shown that the events have had individual impacts.  I am nit picking. I agree. But to continually inflict mass death every year (almost) without any significant change in the fabric of society is really lazy, bad writing and poor conception.…[Read more]

@Thane15 – Aw, that’s so lovely, thank you. And I completely second your thoughts to @FatManinabox.

@FatManInAbox – Heehee, still some glitter there, huh? No IDEA where that could’ve come from 😉

@Wolfweed – LOVE the Weclome mat, and a picture of a squishy MEEEE (and my Doctor)! Thank you.

@Pedant (you have no idea how much that made me…[Read more]

Some quick thoughts, as it’s late! Overall I liked lots of it a lot, but not as much as the previous 2,  particularly Extremis (which I really liked). My problem with it was much as @JimtheFish (and others) have pointed out – that the Monks were just a bit vague in what they wanted, after their set up as near omniscient beings, with their…[Read more]

@wolfweed

Individually some, most of us even, put trauma behind us. For a significant number it destroys them. Most live with the consequences for all of their life or do something even worse. Does any one forget though ?

I was in Nice last year, my wife and I planned to go to the firework display on 14 July, but when it was time to leave we…[Read more]

@wolfweed

The problem with the ignore the evidence because its easier argument, is that it is just not what we do as a species. The opposite in fact.

However, I ultimately agree with you. After writing a present day global disaster, there has to be a reset and a mass forgetting. Its a narrative requirement in this fictional universe for the…[Read more]

@pedant @wolfweed @nerys

The people of this fictional earth will forget anything and everything the writer or show runner wants. That’s hardly a valid point.

I think you’d also have to distinguish between something quite isolated and local (or in the depths of History) which might well pass into folk law or government cover up and hence into the…[Read more]

@nick @nerys @wolfweed

Pish. The people of Earth have forgotten:

Giant cyberman stomping across Victorian London

Giant fish eating Regency Londoners

Starship Titanic nearly crashing into London

The Sontarans gassing the Earth

More Cybermen

The Battle of Canary Wharf

Earth being stolen.

And that is just NuWho, as @wolfweed notes.

That’s t…[Read more]

@wolfweed

Yes he said they had erased themselves from everyone’s memory (although since the original implantation wasn’t 100 % – nence the need for memory police – its reasonable to assume that the opposite wouldn’t be 100 % either). In many ways, that might be worse. For 7 billion people to wake up and find the remains of tens of thousands of…[Read more]

@wolfweed @nerys @pedant

We are debating the last minute, the final scene of the episode. Nothing more or less. In the final scene the conversation with the passing student sets a scene where as soon as the mind link was gone, everyone forgot what had happened for the last 6 months, the physical evidence (which was not insubstantial) ignored and…[Read more]

@wolfweed and @missrori I agree with you that one reason for dissatisfaction has to do with the episode’s time constraints. There’s only so much you can cram into a 40-minute episode without turning it into a three-parter. A two-parter may have been too short, while a three-parter might have felt like it was dragging things out. Dunno.

@lisa I…[Read more]

@wolfweed

Missy claims that the door to the vault couldn’t stop her leaving (but the Doctor could ?). Is this true or just hubris ? Only the Doctor and Missy know or suspect.

She begged the Doctor for life and he made that possible. His oath (to himself essentially) was 1,000 years confinement and it appears he is determined to help Missy…[Read more]

@wolfweed

Also for your delectation: A revelation about the actress who plays Bill’s Ma:  Where have we seen Bill’s mum before? (No spoilery comments @ the time of linking)

Well done. I also wonder whether that might end up being a spoiler of sorts. I had previously wondered whether there might be a deeper link between Bill and the Doctor along…[Read more]

@nerys  So much misdirection in this episode.

Yes, that was crucial last week too, and the Doctor even discussed it. On the other hand, we finally got into the Vault and there was no surprise at all that Missy was in there, and she does appear to be alone.

@wolfweed   We learnt nothing about the Monks really. 

Including the point of their inv…[Read more]

@wolfweed

Whilst I can understand people calling for “action” from feelings of anger and rear,  there is a lot of crap being written. Katie Hopkins in particular stands out again for the utter bollocks she writes.

The Aftershow as mentioned by @wolfweed is great.

Warning – does contain spoilers about future foes.