The Faces of the Doctor (2)
30 December 2018 at 11:19 #66972Craig @craigEmperor
Continuing on from the previous “The Faces of the Doctor” thread, this is a place to discuss the Doctor, the many actors who have played him and the production team behind them. Who was your Doctor? Which are the interpretations you like, and are there ones you don’t? How has the show we love changed over the years?
Remember – anyone can have an opinion, but the value to others is a justified opinion.
You can find the previous thread here:30 December 2018 at 12:44 #66975Anonymous @
…the many actors who have played him…
or her. Fixed that for you. 😀30 December 2018 at 13:18 #66976Craig @craigEmperor
Cheers @kevinwho. That’s what happens when you copy and paste from the previous thread and don’t read it properly! 🙂31 December 2018 at 02:12 #66978
I didn’t have a preference until Peter Capaldi became The Doctor, I was fond of all three (you missed out Christopher Eccleston. *grins*)
What surprises me, is why Chibnall didn’t really push the boat out and choose a black actress to play the Doctor? The General (Ken Bones) regenerated into a black women, so why not the Doctor?
Thandie Newton of Line of Duty, would have been good, she is a really good actress. Instead he stayed with a blonde white actress?
Perhaps it occurred to him, he asked and got knocked back, but I’d be very surprised.
However, that’s my opinion.
Happy New Year to you.
Missy31 December 2018 at 19:12 #66991Anonymous @
(This entry is the result of a PM, and being urged to share these thoughts for everyone.)
My sweetie’s opinion of this last season wasn’t positive. She only liked the finale, and remained lukewarm about that. She’s skipping the New Year’s special to watch something she wants to see more.
I know why. She wants a Doctor who’s a cross between Sherlock Holmes and Mr. Spock. Someone who isn’t afraid to show their intellect, with a larger-than-life personality who can command the room when necessary.
Thirteen (Whittaker) isn’t like that and isn’t meant to be. But it means this season has left my sweetie behind.
And, to be honest, I think my sweetie has a point. I can understand why this Doctor doesn’t make bombastic speeches. But, you know, I’ve seen where a number of fans have said that they love the Doctor’s weapons being words. True that. But this Doctor doesn’t seem to get listened to.
Go see the scene in The Witchfinders where she makes the impassioned speech to King James, and not only is he not convinced, his response shuts her up.
Winning the repartee battles isn’t actually my point, though. It’s that the writers could arm her better for them.
See, after watching eight days of AG Who on BBC America, lots of dialog sticks in my head. By series:
- 1. “Stupid ape!” “Everybody lives!”
2. “It’s a fightin’ hand!” “Six words. Six.” “Lonely angel.” “You can spend the rest of your life with me, but I can’t spend mine with you.”
3. “Don’t blink. Don’t even blink. Blink and you’re dead.”
4. “Hello, Dad.” “Hey! Who turned out the lights?” “Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.”
5. “Life is a pile of good things and a pile of bad things. And something added to the pile of bad things doesn’t take away from the good things.” “I. Am. Talking!”
6. “Shut up, Hitler!” “I always took you where you needed to go.” “You shout at them because they’re happy, and you know they’re going to be sad. And it breaks your heart.” “You saved me a place?” – “We always do.”
7. “Eggs… Eggs… Eggs…term…in…ate.” “We don’t walk away.”
8. “Fear is a superpower.” “And did you think that would make any difference to the way I feel about you?” “A hug is just a way to hide your face.” “Am I a good man? I’m an idiot!”
9. “No one else will ever feel this pain!” “When you come into this world, something else comes with you.” “I’m not scared of hell, it’s just heaven for bad people.” “Don’t you trust me?” – “Not when you’re shouting.”
10. “Everything looks evil from the other end of the cutlery. Or did you think your bacon sandwich loves you back?” “Just be kind.”
Honestly, other than nonsense about rebellious sheep and salad-throwing taunts, I can’t remember any dialog from Series 11. None of it seems memorable. The relentless focus on the ordinary seems to have included ordinary dialog.
I don’t mean to be unfair. I think Graham said some memorable things. And there were facts I don’t need about acetylene gas. The Doctor probably said some good lines too, but maybe didn’t stop long enough for me to remember any. And her speech at the end of The Battle of Random Namings was pretty good, but it was about exploration, and there wasn’t much of that in Series 11, a lot more about being unable to prevent evil.
Still, there’s no reason this should detract from your enjoyment of the show or series. You’re not me.
Me, I have a huge problem with it. During my working career, I had bosses both good and bad. Series 11 too often was just like time with a bad boss, knowing what needed to be done, making an impassioned speech and being shut up in response.
So Series 11 for me has been too much like bad days at work, but without the paycheck. Or benefits. A life insurance plan, I insist on that.
Maybe the New Year holds something better. Maybe something special, something good and memorable in our lives. I hope so, for every one of us.1 January 2019 at 14:20 #67007Anonymous @
I want to do one more post on Series 11 before we head into the special, and it’s about one element that I know has given reviewers trouble, and that I find interesting: names.
The episode titles have been a bit hit or miss, I think, given how many reputable reviewers I’ve seen who have to struggle to remember Ranskoor av Kolos, or consistently misspell Tsuranga. If reviewers can’t remember, that suggests to me that something could have been better. A Good Man Goes to War avoided that problem, as did Sontaran Stratagem. So maybe Ranskoor av Kolos should have been left out of the title? Name the hospital ship after something most English-speakers associate with medicine? I don’t know.
My criticism here isn’t entirely negative, though. Just because some episodes had titles that gave trouble doesn’t mean they all did. The Woman Who Fell to Earth is excellent in just about every way, including the reference to the androgynous David Bowie suggesting that Thirteen wouldn’t be “girly.”
And Kerblam! sure turned out to be what was going on in that episode. My season favorite, It Takes You Away, was both evocatively and accurately titled, too.
Some of the names within episodes left me scratching my head a little. Is there an Uxbridge or Uxton or the like in the UK that will make British viewers think of something massively powerful but a bit misguided, like the Ux? I don’t know.
Let me see if I can show you what I mean, about a few names that weren’t bad or anything, just didn’t seem to fit the creature the way some comparable critters in AG Who have:
- Mr. Sweet
And anyone else think Crass-co would have been a great name for not-Trump?
Well, that’s it for that topic for me, and maybe Series 11 too. It’s certainly been interesting, and anything that gives me something to write about is welcome. Not, as you all know, that it takes much…3 January 2019 at 00:47 #67039coach.t @coach-t
I am new here, first post, so please don’t fault me if I post in the wrong thread. I have watched this show since the late 70s and have been a fan since then. I often watch TV and sometimes picture in my mind who the next Doctor could be and who I would love to see star in that role. Hugh Laurie, also known as Dr. House. There could be so many innuendos from his previous show, not to mention, I do think he is a wonderful actor.3 January 2019 at 16:54 #67049Anonymous @
@coach-t – I’d say this is the right thread! Sorry no one’s commented, but it’s not because you’re doing anything wrong, it just hasn’t caught anyone’s interest. (I don’t watch much TV, and can’t comment on Hugh Laurie.) Stick around though, please!3 January 2019 at 18:21 #6705710th Doctor Fan @ddoherty95
@coach-t I’ve never heard of him. Jodie should be returning in early 2020 for another season and then there are rumours that she and Chris Chinnibal May leave after that, so Hugo May have a chance!8 May 2019 at 06:51 #67651gamergirlavatar @gamergirlavatar
Hi everyone. It’s been awhile since I’ve wrote anything on the forum. Wish I’ve been more active here over the past few months. Haven’t even said much about our new Doctor. Hope it’s still relevant to analyze her character. It’s that something really struck me about this Doctor and I haven’t seen anyone else mention it online. This Doctor is so different from her past incarnations and I have a theory why and of course I want to hear everyone’s thoughts on this.
Here it is, in the last season The 12th Doctor didn’t want to continue doing what he does. There had been too much emotional weight put on his shoulders and he didn’t want to gather anymore. So when he regenerated, instead of a new body and mindset to hold the same feelings he gathered through hundreds of years, all that pain could now be placed in the back of her mind. The Doctor took on the mindset of her younger self, someone child like, who haven’t gone through the stress that comes with everything she does. That’s why I think she is like no other Doctor, because she took on a mind set of The Doctor we haven’t seen before, one that haven’t even left Gallifrey yet and was more young and hopeful than ever before. That’s why she seems a little disconnected from her past selfs. It’s also why I think she is a little more forgetful or doesn’t strategize her actions. Why would she, she doesn’t have the mind set of a solider. She’s thinking like her younger self, someone who didn’t have this thinking process as part of her lifestyle. That’s why she might forget details when solving a mystery like in “Kerblam!” or ignore common sense like when she held her sonic screwdriver too close to the Pting (hope I’m spelling that right). Now, the only reason she isn’t completely like her younger self and remains as the protecter of the universe is because she is still living by the rules she has created for herself. Those rules she has gathered and shaped through her years of being in the positions she’s in keep her as The Doctor. Now, there is a bit of evidence to support my theory. From the 12th Doctor’s final words to make sure his new incarnation remembers the codes he lives by. To this Doctor talking about her childhood, including childhood stories and days at the orphanage. Even the idea of her calling this new Team Tardis her “family” might support this theory. Jodie’s Doctor is very child like, from the positive attitude about things most people wouldn’t think about (apple bobbing for example) to the way she dresses. I know her child like behaviour isn’t a new observation but I’ve just haven’t heard anyone put it in the context I am. I also want to point out that I’m not saying that she has forgotten or doesn’t think about her past experiences, she just has a more active positive personality now, from a simpler time that can now help her heal.
Well that’s it. I’ve had this idea for a long time and just haven’t said anything. Again, wish I’ve said it sooner. Hope everyone at least found it fascinating even if you don’t agree. Let me know what you think. It’s nice to talk to everyone again.8 May 2019 at 08:23 #6765210th Doctor Fan @ddoherty95
Following on from GamerGirlAvatar I thought I’d give my opinion on the new series.
For me there is one crucial thing missing. Continuity. Each episode was so alone and isolated, there was no continental storyline. I am aware why Chris Chinnibal did it but I feel that it really lacks without it. Don’t get me wrong the new series is excellent, the FX are brilliant and I can’t wait for 2020, however I do miss the continuity.15 June 2019 at 18:29 #67743doctor-levina @doctor-levina
At the moment, I am in the middle of the 5th season so I can’t really join the whole female doctor talk. However, my opinion about the different doctors went through a funny transformation.
When I started watching, I was kind of sceptical about the whole series, because the only series I watched before that dealt somehow with extra-terrestrial beings etc was x files. I liked x files but never got into it as much as I did with game of thrones for example. So I started with the 9<sup>th</sup> doctor, first season of the reboot, ready to be disappointed, but – I loved it! I loved his wit especially, how he was always making jokes in dangerous situations, reminded me of a very close friend of mine.
Needless to say, when he regenerated I was soo angry. I thought it would never be the same, I didn’t like the looks of Tennant etc. 3 episodes later and I’m all in again, loving his acting, in my opinion he was still witty and childish enough for me to sustain the feeling it was the same doctor in a different shell and oh was I a mess when the Tennant era ended. Happy end for the companions and a lone doctor, back at it again.
Matt Smith was not such an easy transition. Besides the different looks, I think it was also the writing, because there was less old school wit in the situations, more stuff you know from modern Hollywood comedies, but by episode 5 I was back in the old mode, eating up the episodes. What helps is that I really like the whole concept of Amy Pond, with Donna she is among the more relatable companions to me, I love Rose, because she’s… well Rose and I love Martha Jones, because she had legit skill and was such a cool, strong character.
I am a little nervous about the next doctor. Also River Song annoys me a lot at this point in time. I am eager to see how I will feel about them down the road and pretty impatient for the moment I will be able to take part in the whole conversation.16 June 2019 at 03:46 #67745winston @winston
@doctor-levina I envy you meeting all of the Doctors for the first time.I remember my journey through Who and it was much the same as yours. The 9th Doctor was my first and I was so sad when he regenerated but then the 10th came along and he was so good then the 11th and so on.Each time I am sure I won’t like the new Doctor and each time I am wrong.What a great show!
Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor is an old soul ,sweet and silly with a core of steel. When he gets angry it gives me chills. Have fun watching it all and believe me you are going to love the 12th Doctor too.19 November 2019 at 05:51 #68391blenkinsopthebrave @blenkinsopthebrave
I just spent part of my sadly reduced income to buy a copy (just released) of a new BBC animated reconstruction of a lost Patrick Troughton story “The Macra Terror” from 1967. Although I was watching back then, I have no memory of the story (but that could be said of so much more). But after a bit of research, I realized that the story (about the Doctor and his companions trapped in a society that, while seemingly idyllic, demanded absolute obedience) would have been made about the same time as “The Prisoner” with Patrick McGoohan (one of the most influential TV experiences of my jaded youth). I knew I had to purchase it.
Here is an interesting comparison of the original (what remains of it) and the animated reconstruction.
Since the faces of the Doctor (real and animated) are different, I decided to post here. I await the arrival of the DVD in the mail, and will report back after a viewing.22 February 2020 at 15:11 #69780BeeMartha @beemartha
Hi everyone xx
on the topic of who your favourite doctor is i want a ask everyone if you could be any doctor which doctor would you be and why ???
I can’t make my mind up between David Tennant and Jodie Whittaker they are both a lil bit of me if I must say24 February 2020 at 03:55 #69806winston @winston
@beemartha Hi and welcome to the site! I have never thought about being the Doctor , more about what Doctor I would like to travel with. I think being the Doctor would be exciting and fun and maybe even fulfilling being able to save planets and people but I also think it would be very sad. The Doctor doesn’t and can’t save everyone including companions and other people he loves and that must be terrible. The Doctor lives far longer than most people he meets and he will outlive them and that is so sad and lonely. He\She is always faced with an emotional dilemma, be alone in the Tardis or bring along a companion that you know you will lose some day. So I think it would be easier to be a companion of the Doctor and travel in the Tardis while you can than to be the lonely Doctor.
Mind you I am a prickly sort of person , crusty outside but soft inside so I think I am more like the 12th Doctor but I wouldn’t want to be him.27 February 2020 at 00:44 #69871
I agree with you. I wouldn’t want to be the Doctor either.
Then again being a companion isn’t good, the loss of him would be heartbreaking.
Like you, The 12th is more my style. *grins*
Missy18 May 2020 at 16:00 #70689The Idiot From Gallifrey Base @dalekbuster523
So many faces of the Doctor now after the Timeless Child it’s hard to count!26 September 2020 at 23:32 #71002HHSpeedy @hhspeedy
I am a long-time fan of Doctor Who, watching classic Who from my youth. I have seen almost every episode still in existence and love the Doctor’s story. Well mostly…
I think it’s time for a mulligan. The video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXe82G8A_B4 does an excellent job of explaining why Timeless Child ruins Doctor Who. In a nutshell, the Doctor used to be special because of what he did, but now she is special because of who she is. Now the Doctor would seem selfish if she didn’t lay down her life to save anyone.
Not to mention the inconsistencies. Matt Smith’s Doctor was dying of old age in the town of Christmas and lacked the regenerative energy for a new incarnation, until the Time Lords on Gallifrey sent him a new set of regenerations (presumably 12 additional regenerations).
Matt Smith’s Doctor was dying by poison in Berlin and lacked the regenerative energy to save himself, but River Song used her remaining regenerations to save the Doctor.
River Song (Melody Pond) was conceived in the time vortex and therefore gained regenerative abilities.
William Hartnell’s Doctor enters a plain Type 40 Time Capsule when he and Susan leave Gallifrey. The time capsule disguises itself as a police box upon landing in 1963 London and the chameleon circuit gets stuck. There is no reason for any earlier version of the Doctor to have a Police Box.
It’s as though the show has been handed off to people who don’t know anything about it. Speaking of which, the sex change…really? Spontaneous sex changes only occur in lesser life forms. I understand the drive to bring a strong female character to Doctor Who, but Jodie Whittaker’s Doctor isn’t that anyway. Romana, on the other hand, was one of the best characters ever on Doctor Who. With Gallifrey safe again, there was opportunity to have another Time Lady companion. (Not sure why the reboot writers hate Gallifrey)
In my opinion, the best shot of saving Doctor Who is to bring Peter Capaldi back to make the whole Jodie Whittaker Doctor a dream sequence before he regenerates into a different Doctor. And this time, cast a better Doctor, don’t change his sex, and hire better producer/writers. If you want a strong female character, bring one on as a companion. The point of Doctor Who is that it doesn’t matter who you are, but what you do.9 November 2020 at 08:03 #71108
In my opinion, the best shot of saving Doctor Who is to bring Peter Capaldi back to make the whole Jodie Whittaker Doctor a dream sequence before he regenerates into a different Doctor. And this time, cast a better Doctor, don’t change his sex, and hire better producer/writers. If you want a strong female character, bring one on as a companion. The point of Doctor Who is that it doesn’t matter who you are, but what you do.
I couldn’t said this better myself. *grins*
- 1. “Stupid ape!” “Everybody lives!”
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