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Hi @thane15 – I think I have to agree with some or a lot of your thoughts on this episode.

I haven’t posted much on it as I’m not sure I enjoyed it when I watched it.

However, I was in the midst of man-flu so maybe just wasn’t able to get ‘in’ to it.

I think I mainly agree with you when you mention ‘tone’. For me (but also something I’ve heard elsewhere) American acting and British acting can be very different (I think) based on the different training/ early experience actors get in UK (which is theatre based) and in US (which is more  TV).

Also, ‘superheroes’ tend to extol that ‘might is right’ even if – or especially as – with great power comes great responsibility (and hair loss due to radiation poisoning).

But Who doesn’t really follow that convention – with Who the physical ‘might’ is often if not always rendered irrelevant and beaten by wit and knowledge (and courage and folly).

So, for me the episode was a slightly awkward mix of tones.
However, I had a cold and there were nice moments as others have mentioned (eg the change in tone at the end with Capaldi’s speech on endings and beginnings, as well as visual gags such as things erm rising unbidden).

But I don’t think this is a place for brick throwing just because of a difference of opinion on an episode!

:¬)

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Hey @Thane15 – glad to hear you had at least one tale of ohfuckwhatthehellarewegonnado on your trip!

 

(and that you survived of course).

The next time you travel I can guarantee at least one or two of these incidents (if you’re doing it right of course!).

@pedant – I now live just north of trendy Shoreditch in Hackney Hipster central. I’m being pushed ever northwards it seems by the facial hair, tattoos and rent increases.

Loved the Tube song, cheers.

I will keep to my resolute plan for only putting upbeat/ positive music here* with this song which although not about London, gets across something about Londoners (if you get what I mean).

Lyrics are here in case the accent gets in the way (hell some of the mentions are so quick this is first time I’ve understood some of them!)

 

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Ooops – looks like I didn’t make myself clear (yeah, new year, nothing changes ;¬) )

So ( @pedant @missy @thane15 ), what I meant to say was that there’s a common misconception (or at least its my perception that there’s a common misconception – you can never be too sure in this post-Truth world just what is going on) that Londoners are ‘rude’.

Mainly held (I think) by people who don’t live in London. By people who live in smaller towns who know everyone (or at least knows someone who will know you). So seeing someone ‘new’ is a moment of delight or suspicion (depending on their outlook).
Whereas in London you may not know your next door neighbour, and certainly not the fella walking down the street I’ve-never-seen-before-looks-big-or-shifty-or-will-ask-me-for-money.

Me – I’ve been here a little over 20 years (nearly half my life) and have experienced the best and the worst from people here. And I think I’ve had more of the best of humanity than the worst.

So – yes there’s less eye contact than in smaller towns but sometimes that’s a blessing (oi-you-nosey-neighbour-that’s-my-business-you-naff-orf).
Though the best advice I ever got for travelling was from the Thorn Tree forum (run by Lonely Planet) by a commenter who said to walk around with your eyes up. Look people in the eye, smile look at the buildings/ mountains/ stuff that isn’t pavement. A brilliant piece of advice just before I went to Rio and on day one walked out of my hotel and clocked the guy cycling slowly round in circles on the beach road. Yep. Nod and a smile. You’ll be a thief then. He nonchalantly cycled away. (I’ve lived near Dalston for most of my time in London and know that cycling technique).
Next day I see him cycling away from someone he’s robbed. {sigh}.

Anyway, maybe I do better communicating via the medium of dance music.
These are a tad obvious but there ya go – others will have more imagination. :¬)

This is for anyone who’s moved into London (have most actually moved here rather than born here?). Especially if you’ve little money and need somewhere (anywhere) to put a roof over your head.
My first place in London was a pretty bad shared place (padlock on the outside of your bedroom is not a good sign) in Turnpike Lane up near Manor House.
A few years later I looked at a place in Mile End and though not as bad as this great song by Pulp, however the pub nearby made me tremble when I saw the viscous hateful racist misogynistic graffiti in its loo.
Me and my mate left sharpish and found a place elsewhere!

But here is the a beautiful ode to love and London (and I make no bones for choosing such an obvious song – I’ll let others find more interesting ones!)

 

Blimey! That was a longer post than I intended, and certainly for the Music thread.

ah well….

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Hey @Thane15 – great to hear you’re back safe and sound.

And getting sick? There’s a lot of it around unfortunately, but seems like you managed to find a good cabbie (though it may not have felt like that!) and your dad did recognise that Londoners will ignore everything as well as care for people as best they can. Usually Londoners are characterised by their not caring, so you saw the better side (though it took some vomit on your side!).

Hope you had enough of a taste of things to want to travel more in the future!

(you won’t always be vomiting but illness is an expected hazard!)

;¬)

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Hi all – its New Year’s Eve and I’m hoping next year is better than this one.
I guess Bowie leaving early last January should’ve warned us that the rest of the year was one to miss.

We had a lot of anger across the world in 2016, and here’s a song that kinda sums up a lot of thoughts I’ve had (and maybe others here). Its a gentler more mature live version.
Anger fuelled a lot of change. But I’m not sure it was the positive/ creative change Lydon had in mind when he rightly said that “Anger is an energy”.

So what can Love change? Not sure, but I’m willing to find out.

 

Now that song feels a little ‘serious’ so here’s one we’ve had before. However for the fun of custard pies and kids, and the truth of the lyrics, not a bad pick-me-up

 

I truly hope you all have a wonderful year, and that when the inevitable shit happens, we remember that:

We’re weaker divided
Let friendship double up our powers

Happy New Year everyone.

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Well, we’ve finally had our Who, and 2016 reminded us that its still around.

Just snuck another in, huh? cheers.

Bastard year.

I wish I’d appreciated him more at the time he was producing really great singles.

These two videos bookend each other.

Roll on 2017 – I actually have great hope for it.

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So, The Return of Doctor Mysterioso (what will the title be translated into in Mexico I wonder?) had at least one moment of Superman (Christopher Reeve era) refrain in it, so I assume there were lots of others.

Obviously the xmas special has given me (us??) the challenge of an appropriate song.

Though O Superman is obvious, and even something from the Flaming Lips, I think I’ve done those before, so here’s a bit of rock-funk (is that a genre? if not its descriptive I hope) from Funkadelic.

I’ll leave you to think who is the most Super Stupid

 

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Hi all – finally managed to log in and just wanted to wish you all a very merry xmas.
Thanks for your thoughts when I over-shared before (was feeling a little sorry for myself).

However, I’m actually incredibly lucky and others have it far worse.

It does seem that this xmas is a bit ‘flat’ for a variety of people here, so I’ve been looking for something that will raise a smile. Barnable has already helped out with some more Vince Guaraldi/ Charlie Brown so I’ve gone through what I have and realised I don’t have much ‘fun’ music!

;¬)

Anyway, here goes.

 

 

Merry Xmas all, and happy cakewalking

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… and since I’ve actually managed to log in(!) here’s a song about looking forward to the future and about people who had/ have it far worse than most people (certainly me).

 

 

and its a great song.

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As I’ve been struggling to log in, that was an interesting link @pedant – as was your explanation of “1” and “100%” ages ago which lifted a veil for me at least.

cheers.

Anyway, in case I can’t log in again for a while, just saying I’m glad this place exists and looking forward to discussing the Who special when it (finally) arrives.

 

This year has been a bit tough. A missed funeral of an old school friend (that’s all three of the funniest friends I had gone), two other family funerals, and last week I learned I lost my job (though maybe I could continue, work my arse off and lose it in the Spring….. the fact I’m even debating this with myself shows how much I’ve invested in what I do and the team around me). Hey ho. Lucky to be in work in the first place.

But yes, 2016 can fuck off.

However, I’ll find some hopefully fun, interesting music to share, and hopefully share a smile with people here. I’ve left a taster on the Music Thread as ’tis the time to be merry*

 

* and on that note I’m beginning with the beer – wine maybe tomorrow with cheese.

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@barnable – yeah, not a good year on all sorts of levels.

But I’ll play something I’ve played here before and that I know raises a smile with a few, because its christmastime and we really should try and feel….. christmassy.

And always happy to hear more from this awesome album, so I’ll do it if no one else does!

;¬)

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For no reason whatsoever, here’s a song for Deep Breath.

To be honest I’m sure I or someone must have posted it before but not sure.

Anyway, if I was being up to date I might’ve linked to the theme song from Class, but really no one here has seemed keen on it (including me!).
Only thing about it that I read somewhere is that its the first time a Doctor Who spinoff has used an existing song as a theme. /notveryinterestingaddendum.

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@craig – loved that school video! Cheered me up no end!

@arbutus – I’ve not heard Stan Rogers before. Enjoyed it (though I don’t the references).

Well, apparently life was better in the ol’ days so here’s a song by a great composer from the great ol’ days of America*.

 

*not actually sure which decade Trump wants to return to. But judging by his comments it was a more white one, where people spoke English not Spanish. Apologies therefore that this has no lyrics in it and was written by an incredibly talented black man.
I’ll try to do better.
Maybe this as its by a white man and has words in English.

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I guessed and feared that Trump would… trump.

As with Brexit, people have voted for ‘change’. Whatever ‘change’ means or brings – just not ‘more of the same’. Sadly Remain and Clinton were painted as ‘more of the same’.

Unlike others here, I don’t think that people that voted for him will be angry at him when he doesn’t deliver what they want or he promised.
He’ll blame Senate/ the Establishment/ foreigners/ others for stopping whatever he wants.
If he does get what he wants, then he’s “making America Great again”.
(The election’s not rigged anymore it seems).
He’s never wrong, never fails; its someone else’s fault. Which is the warm and easy feeling that his supporters want.

And what he did (and the Brexiteers did) was not appeal to rational thought but instead to emotional triggers, which quite frankly Advertising has been doing for decades. And it works. We want to believe these things, we’re given license to (“look other people think this too!”) so we do.
We’re not idiots – others agree with us.

And always its others who are to blame, never ‘us’ who can make the difference to ourselves and others by ourselves.

“Make America Great Again”
Pronouncing “white” as “g-r-e-a-t” is one of the more egregious uses of dog whistle politics I’ve heard.
The anger he’s used to energise people (and divide them) may take a long while to calm down (even after he tele-prompted his “work together” acceptance speech).
Sadly the Secret Service will be kept busy (a ‘superstar’ now at an even higher level – thoughts of Reagan come to mind).

I’ll find music somewhere. Not sure what or when (and am away from my iTunes until weekend).

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Hey @Thane15 – good to hear from you!

To be honest, you’re the first person who I’ve ever introduced Billy Bragg to who said his voice is “nice”.

“Awful” “urrgh” and “hmmph” is sadly more often the case!
(and that includes my sister!)

Here’s a couple of his that may or not be on the sidebar of youtube (or spotify or whatever).

It might be interesting to first listen to the album version of this before hearing what sounds like a nervous early live TV broadcast.
I love listening to live versions but also – its just a great song!
;¬)

And no mention of Bragg goes without linking to Levi Stubbs’ Tears or Waiting for the Great Leap Forward

Glad you enjoying it !!

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So, after @pedant mentioned “angry folk singers” elsewhere on the threads I thought ‘yeah, there’s a few’ so I went looking for something appropriate.

I googled for this track and the first result was it sung live on Breakfast TV.

BREAKFAST TV.

Probably around 8am some random morning on BBC1, this happened.

Fuck me but I wish I’d heard it at the time!

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Hi all – not much to add to any of the comments on any of the episodes so far.
I agree with most who feel its finding its feet, and all shows have this so… a bit of patience. But at after a while that won’t be enough {cough}Torchwood{cough}

Anyway good things so far are the actress Tanya Adeola who would have been a perfectly fine Companion (and may yet be). “kids in the Tardis” be damned – she’s a good actress.

As for Sophie Hopkins, yeah I get that she wasn’t really able to carry some of the more emotional stuff in this episode (mainly the angry parts where she seemed ‘grr’ rather than ‘aaaarrARRRRGGHHHH’) but… hey ho.

Now, if her folk playing extended to more angry artists then maybe it will come.

and on that note….

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Hi @arbutus – eclectic? I think I’m more erratic but thanks!

That is a gorgeous bit of Haden. Maybe its because I’m listening on crappy headphones, but I could do without Metheny’s more angular plucking (at least early in the track) and just listen to Haden’s really warm, sensual playing.

Now, I think it was @missrori who wrote an elegant post about how unappreciated the Doctor might be.
I think that actually the Universe does appreciate him (as others have said).

However, I think that the Doctor may have blue moments where he feels that nobody loves him and so here’s a song he may have hummed or strummed…

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@severusoswald – haven’t had the chance to say welcome yet, but…. erm… welcome to the forum!
(not that a welcome from me is particularly ‘special’ or anything, but just great to hear someone join)

Not sure about @pedant ‘s answer but I can at least give you some insight into the ‘joke’ about “hey missy you so fine……”

and you should always be proud of being smart (not knowing about something does not mean you are dumb).

;¬)

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Hi all, I haven’t seen anyone link to it, so thought I would here (apologies if I missed this being mentioned already!).

Basically 50 years ago today was the first time the Doctor regenerated.
Here’s an article explaining stuff:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/oct/28/doctor-who-changed-face-and-transformed-tv-for-ever

Oh, and @ichabod a Jammy Dodger is a bit like an Oreo, except that the filling is strawberry jam* not cream, the biscuit parts are not chocolate but closer to shortbread and there’s often a hole (sometimes a heart) in one of the biscuits that allows the jam to ooze out.
hmm….. so not like an Oreo at all.
* and the jam is quite…. plastic-y and sweet. By gawd are those things sweet.

Waves at @juniperfish – long time no see, but glad to see you’re still swimming around these parts
;¬)

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ah – made it (having a few problems with those brute force attacks on the network blocking the site).

@puroandson – great Lehrer song! I really should listen to more of his work!

So for Class Episode One here’s a couple of songs that popped up on my iTunes

And I do love the “Holy calamity” sung through this!

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Hi all, I have a whole load of things to reply/respond to (am lurking not drowning but stuff on), but just had to say I’m so happy to Son @puroandson on the soccer trials!

Fantastic news!

Also – there was (now a long time ago) mention of clothing for a trip to UK in November involving thermal gloves and long johns etc.

Are you travelling north of The Wall???!??

You’ve already had great advice, but layers are your friend (eg t-shirts which on warmer days are fine, but fine under the sweatshirts) as well as anything that is quick drying (yep – it rains). I’ve never been to Melbourne, but I hear that it has ‘European weather’ so maybe winter there is similar.
Anyway – travel light, don’t bring a ‘pedestrian caravan’ (if you can’t carry your stuff – you’re stuffed) and make sure you enjoy yourself!

Got lots of music to listen to – thanks to all for that.

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@Puroandson
well….. thanks for that ditty on zombies. I erm, may give the film a miss, but probably my loss.
[ahem]
I’m not a zombies fan if I’m honest, especially the zombies who walk around in the morning on their way to work staring at their phones and not avoiding people as they walk until the last moment (if then).
Mobiles have actually changed the way we walk (a study was done and the cone of awareness ahead of anyone who walks is quite reduced if they are staring at their phones).

ah well. Progress.

Now, @arbutus – happy birthday to Mr Arbutus and thanks for the ping (no pong with those two!)
Both or those are lovely and that Mulligan was a great ‘conversation’ between two players.
So, a wiff to your waff:

Be Bop by Coltrane and Jackson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUfNIZI_Xus

 

And now yet another one I’m sadly prompted to link to:

 

Which for me is a more fun song than this more famous one by Rod Temperton, but this does at least have zombies….

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hey @arbutus and @blenkinsopthebrave @puroandson – glad you liked it.
And Arbutus (and anyone else) – you can always ping to my pong.

;¬)

and it turns out I have two superpowers after all – rolling my tongue and burping on cue.
(As you’d imagine, both have taken me far and shaped my life).

And the talk of Spring set me off again….

 

but I prefer this I’ll admit:

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Hey @arbutus – nice bit of jazz!

Or should I say niiiiiiiiiiiicccce.

And that was a version of Wheel’s on Fire I hadn’t heard so that was good.

Anyway, some wonderful discussions recently on these threads about Mind Palaces.
And then someone mentioned the Goons.
Obviously, the intersection of those two topics can only be one thing….

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So, I’ve been meaning to come on and post some music to do with Who (would make a change!!) but each time I hear something and think “ooh that would be good” I realise that a bunch of swearing etc is in the lyrics! *

I usually just search my iTunes using a word (eg “wait” “waiting”) and then listen to what comes up. I then listen to lyrics and think “ooh maybe not!”
Hence why I’ve not been posting regularly.

Anyway, enough waffle – here’s something that came up on the “waiting” search that I thought “yeah, its good, no swearing, and not about waiting for a loved one, drug dealer etc”
And I know it has eff all to do with Who (except for our waiting), but….. otherwise I’d post nothing.
(maybe that would be better, but you don’t have to click!)

 

* people here will realise I’m not primarily a lyrics (or script) person – I mainly go with ‘feel’.
(also says a lot about the music I listen to!!)

;¬)

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ok, this has nothing to do with anything.

no one died (except of course in the referenced material loads of people/perps died) and this is merely a homage to classic soundtracks and the Galaxy’s Greatest Comic.

Not sure if this will work, but I’m trying to make the image a link…

(yeah I know, I guess subconsciously I was thinking of Judge Dread….)

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Right.

Honestly this will stop, but yes, here’s a track prompted by the artist passing away.

 

feel free to ‘answer’ with tracks by Madness.

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{sigh}

 

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So, a while back we were wondering if anyone did the cleaning chores around the Tardis… dusting and suchlike.
Obviously that made me think of the psychic pollen stuck in the rotors, the Dream Lord and Amy’s Choice.

Now, if you think this is just an incredibly tenuous reason to post this track then… you may be right.

 

 

Good morning.

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and this is for everyone who’s mentioned they need some peace (and kind’ve quiet).

But mainly peace.

Somebody did the decent thing and made a single youtube post of two great tracks.
Good work!

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This is for @mersey

Its basically a way of saying that I truly hope you don’t think you’ve been picked on or battered.
I think this site goes in for theories (hopefully bonkers), debates (sometimes serious), fun, the unexpected and….

music.

But hopefully always with respect. and I know you truly are liked here.

I hope I’ve chosen the right side of Liverpool for this
(apologies if not – just say and I’ll try and get some Toffees music!)

;¬)

and this is also from the same Fabriclive07 set

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hi @ichabod – just wanted to echo everyone’s thoughts and glad the op went well.

Also hi there @trillianwho – welcome!
Hope you like it here, and judging by your posts I think you’ll make it an even richer place!

I’m sure I’m missing saying “hi” to someone else – have been lurking with not much to add to the conversations, so have just sat back, listened and enjoyed them.

🙂

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Now for some birthday tracks for @Puroandson

Apologies its late, but I wanted to find something special.
However…. my usual method is to ‘search’ my iTunes using relevant keywords, but “birthday” just brings back the obvious.

So I just scrolled through and randomly picked out a few things that I thought “ha ha!” when I saw/heard them.
🙂

I thought I’d put some calming pieces in as you may still be feeling a little fragile.
But I also put some more energetic tracks if you were feeling “enough of this crap! I wanna rock out you eejit!”

so…..

Something soft:

Tezeta – Menelik Wesnatchew (this is off that Ethiopiques album I linked to before. For some reason I’m reminded of “Sailing by” which gets played on Radio 4 in UK last thing at night when the Shipping Forecast is read out).

Want something funkier?
This is Gedawo by Ayalew Mesfin & Black Lion Band (its like someone heard Hendrix and James Brown, but just sang their own type of music over it)

But just for a laugh, I thought I’d also link to this. I wasn’t into Tangerine Dream but picked this up from a charity shop – glad I did!

Happy birthday (to everyone who’s birthday it is this year)
🙂

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Hi Puro’s Son – well your cousin is certainly talented!

She has a great voice!
I don’t recognise all he songs, but the first is a song by James Blunt. But I think I prefer your cousin’s version!

I didn’t recognise the second one, but the third is a great track by James Taylor, and there’s a great cover by Willie Nelson.

Thanks for sharing this – your certainly have a cool cousin!

Whisht

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@puroandson

Hey mate – you’ve made me blush!

;¬)

But also I have to dig through some music to give your mum something worth listening to, so it may take a few hours and that means it may be tomorrow by the time you and she (maybe?) hears it.

But wanted to say – you’re a good bloke, keep just doing what you do.
You can call me “whisht” if you’d like, but equally happy with you calling me what you do.

Now, please give your mum our love.
Hope she’s back home soon.

Take care
whisht

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I wish I wasn’t posting (the same) music in reaction to similar events again.

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Hi @mudlark – just to say, I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

As for walking far without the stick….. personally, I’d bring it.
If it turned out I didn’t need it, I’d twirl it around and laugh at anyone who bothered looking, with a “yeah – you know, this is fucking ace, I’m walking“.

But that’s just me.

Take care and glad you’re even considering it!
🙂

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oops – I’ve not replied to a bunch of people!

@bluesqueakpip – always liked that Jules cover and REM is one I’ve always tried every few years to think “do I really like them?”
@barnable – cheers, not heard in a long time and actually bothered myself to listen all the way through and raised a smile when it was sorely needed!
🙂
@arbutus – thanks for the Great Big Sea – there’s something about a recording made by a band where you think “wish I was listening to them doing this live” 🙂
but mucho thanks for Oscar Peterson – I haven’t got much/ any of his stuff and now know where I’m lacking in a bit of shellac-ing!
Gotta make some time for the Gould too.

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This article isn’t ‘fact’, but I agree with its premise that shamefully Johnson didn’t expect to win the Referendum.
For Johnson it would be an honourable loss, alignment to an influential base of the party and then… power.

But when they did win, Johnson facing the pressure, bottled it.
(a bit like the England team facing Iceland)

(actually this is UNKLE – Featuring Thom Yorke, not Radiohead as its credited).

And then…. enter stage right – a figure.

“Et tu, Gove ?”

 

Though I found this version by those ol’ favourites Flaming Lips.

But that’s me done with Brexit songs.

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So – England crash out of Europe (again).

haven’t had chance to realy think what’s a good track to do here, so here’s one with the lovely lines:

“Don’t grease my palm with your filthy cash
Multinationals spreading like a rash
I might stick around or I might be a fad
But I won’t sell my songs for no TV ad “

Which seems to link a bit with thoughts around the other exit….

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oh dear.

Engxit.

I have no idea if I have music for this….

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Well, I’m working through my 5 stages of grief on the vote, but on re-reading one of my posts I thought I sounded a tad holier-than-though.

So, in case its unclear, although I like to think of myself as neither homophobic, sexist or racist, I do have a bigotry towards ‘posh’ people.

If I hear a posh accent I’ll instantly assume “idiot” and “he/she hasn’t a clue” before reining back in the monster and thinking ‘no no, what did they actually say…’

Its bigotry, as its a dumb assumption about other people based on a single part of them (accent, colour, gender etc).

And usually wrong, although that hasn’t yet upset my confirmation bias enough to stop it happening.
Its bigotry or an -ism (I don’t actually care about the specifics of my intolerance) but its something I’m not proud of and hopefully I self-correct each day.

Nothing amusing in this post, but hopefully that (as well as my intolerance) will change.

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@puroandson – as for Tubular Bells, I’d imagine that it was strictly enforced “rights management” that means there’s no versions of the album on youtube or similar.

Which is dumb. That was the reason we couldn’t link to many Prince tracks which meant that many people couldn’t hear how great he was and think “I’ll pick up one of his albums”.

hey ho – thank goodness pedant knows dropbox.

When the music industry will figure out how to recompense artists properly and understand the digital medium is another matter.

;¬)

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@arbutus – bass sax = endlessgood

;¬)

So – choons to console? Or just choons to say “isearchedmyituneswiththeword”end”,”europe”etc ?

Like you care?

So here is some stuff (can you tell I’m still bruised?)

A song to say the affair is over?

and something uplifting that I found when looking for “end” songs
A piece of music I’ve loved since I first heard it years ago.

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Hi @lisa – apologies for late reply (well, its 1am for me!).

A really good question on your part.
We probably do put in more than we take out. That’s kind of the slightly-Socialist sensibility that the EU is set up for (ie the strong look after the weak when necessary).
That’s massively simplistic on my part, and I’m sure I’ve said it clumsily.

So, if you don’t mind I’ll sidestep a little and say that for me its not ‘just’ about the money.
For me my head and my heart were aligned.

My heart said that we should be outward looking, looking to influence for good, working with others rather than being afraid of them. All that woolly stuff hearts are good at.
Also as a son of economic migrants, I kinda felt that you can’t pull up the drawbridge on others.

That was my heart.

My head didn’t want my politicians distracted for the next 4-7 years in re-negotiating trade deals – I want them focusing on local and national issues.
My head also thought that everyone seems to agree that the EU needs reforming (including those who want to remain). Fair enough. So how do you best influence the EU? By being outside it?? No, stay in and influence it.
My head also thought that re-negotiation would probably be win a little, lose a little across a number of deals. So we’ll probably be roughly where we are today after all the turmoil of ‘leaving’ including free movement of travel for people across the EU.

But it was my gut that had had enough. My bile was raised by the lies, disinformation, cynicism and manipulation.

I really shouldn’t have said anything as its obviously a contentious issue (and now I’ve done it twice – once stoopidly mentioning a female Doctor and now this! I’ll be modded for sure!).

Now, who wants to talk about religion….?

😉

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Well, I was going to sit on the sidelines, and am aware that many people here are not actually in the UK!

But, but…. but.

I’m sick of the lies (in this referendum of whether the UK should leave the European Union).
Both sides.
But the most craven, dirty, and self-serving lies and manipulations are from Farage and Johnson.

Fuck them.

I know, resorting to swear words means you’ve lost the argument.
What I’m trying to say is I really really object to how this whole attempt to manipulate the debate has gone on.

And by “manipulate the debate” I mean ‘manipulate people’.

“Its a vote against the Establishment” – no it isn’t Farage. But yes – a perfectly weighted emotional punch to get votes for something that isn’t anything to do with this but will win you power and influence.

“Its the immigrants” – no it isn’t (everyone else). Its the planning and decision making. It was this government which decided to exercise its veto – illustrating how the country does retain sovereignty – to not protect the steel industry from China dumping cheap steel and destabalising the industry here. For Johnson to say it was the EU at fault is…. I actually cannot find the word. Duplicitous is too mild. The word I have in mind really I don’t want to type. Its this (Tory) government not investing in the NHS (not the EU telling us not to) as its against its ideology of small government and ‘Market Forces’ being better than Government decision making (the supposed opposite). Its this government not investing in homebuilding as its scared of the Middle Class vote after house prices fall (a bit) to allow more people a chance to buy.

I know – all that should be in the Pub. I’m happy for that to be modded.

But I’m angry.

Here’s the jukebox song I’m putting on in the pub.

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hmmmm….. @thedentistofdavros and @blenkinsopthebrave

For some reason this collection of companions makes me think of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Maybe a spinoff show with a number of ex-Companions who team up and…. fight crime solve mysteries?

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So, we’re having a referendum in the UK.
Lots of lies/ disinformation from both sides, but a massively important vote (In or Out of the European Union?).

As with a referendum that was discussed before on these threads, all I’ll say is that your vote counts.

In terms of ‘counting songs’, I thought I’d be oh-so-clever and link to this [strokes chin].

But on looking for songs, I finally found this and remembered “bloomin’ hell, this is incredible!”.

Kid’s TV and Jazz. Does this still happen? its incredibly funky and in no way ‘childish’!

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Oh no – @thedentistofdavros and @everyoneelse

I really know very little about music. I’d honestly love it if I did.
And though I could sorely do with my ego being stroked, I’d truly hate it if people didn’t post to the music thread because they thought of it as the muso thread.

so, as an admission of “I know nuffin…..”

{cough}

I’m the student that in a small club in Leeds congratulated one of The Sandkings (no? never mind) after their set on playing a Phil Collins song. The extremely polite and really nice bassist or guitarist said “erm, you mean the Beatles song?” and me saying “no, no the Phil Collins song” and getting a bemused (but kind) stare of bewilderment.

[ahem]

My only reference point was from Face Value*.

Face Value…. here’s the not-the-most-famous-track from that album and yet still a great track as are (nearly?) all of the others.

One day I’lll write about Face Value in a way that will hopefully not be too “American Psycho talking about Huey Lewis and the News’ ‘Hip to be Square’ “.

Basically – I know nuffin’.

 

There are people who have never had the pleasure of aural nourishment.

Please donate all your used music to this thread to feed their ears.

 

 

(* btw – the rest of his albums are bloody awful)

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