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Well, this is for whether you think “can I learn anything from a different interpretation?”.

oh, and as this popped up on my shuffle earlier today (causing volume uppage)… though I’m sure I’ve linked before

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@blenkinsopthebrave hmmm … I kinda know what you mean, but what my initial reaction was:

ah, so Dan Starkey is no longer the recurring comic character.

Weirdly(?) in my mind, I’ve had this daft feeling that Moffat resented that Starkey (brilliantly) made the Sontarans a figure of fun. To the extent that the Ice Monsters needed to be re-introduced as a monster that the Sontarans had been originally (kind’ve – but with added “soldiers’ honour” which neatly echoed Danny Pink).

Which was why the feeling was daft – I’m sure Starkey’s character existed on the page of the script – but there you go.

I do love Starkey’s Sontaran but will hopefully enjoy the time when Sontarans are somehow transformed ‘back’ into horrible figures – even if via a dark past.

Having said all that (which wasn’t too interesting!) it was interesting to read of Lucas that “Few people have his facility for acting like someone who can’t act.”

Which may feel a little samey, but that train of thought led me to thinking….

Maxine Peake as the next Doctor….. hmmmmmm

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hmmm…….
Now, either everyone’s awfully polite, or everyone’s awfully fond of Arvo Part.

Or…. no one reads my posts.

OR….. its all three.

Which is fair enough (and I probably fall into the ‘all three’ category myself).
However, here’s the link I meant to use [ahem-damnthatcutnpaste-cough]

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Well, for absolutely no Dr Who-related reason, here are 2 things people may want to listen to.

Here is a gorgeous piece by Arvo Part:

 

And I think it was @arbutus who mentioned that she’d nt heard Penguin Cafe Orchestra, so here’s a kind of ‘Best of’ album. Its them playing live, so when if you want to investigate further then their albums will still offer a bit of variation.

 

Nothing harsher for the lug ‘oles today.

Enjoy!

🙂

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Hi @puroandson – well, as we seem to be linking to punk anyway……

;¬)

@son you mentioned the Stooges (great song!!)

here’s an old goody

John Peel’s favourite song

and another great urgent song from 1978

and at least you now have a right-hand YouTube sidebar to explore!

And is this Punk? or New Wave? No Wave? New neu noi wav?

who the hell cares?

;¬)

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Hi @Puroandson – ah, so you hadn’t heard the Beastie Boys.

Well – that track is probably an odd place to start, but there you go!

I find them an interesting band in that when I first heard them I hated them (they seemed obnoxious brats) but their style changed and it grew on me.

In terms of Punk, I’m certainly no expert so others here may feel free to educate us!
🙂

In my mind the US ‘Punk’ scene seems very 50’s Rock n Roll based (but speeded up and harder), whereas the UK ‘Punk’ scene seems more a mindset of “I’ll get up and play because I want to, not because someone else has given me permission” – which leads to bands who have energy, even if they don’t always have musicianship.

But its not really as defined as that as there are good punk musicians, 50’s Rock n Roll inspired UK bands etc etc etc.

But that’s me out – here are a couple of links but I think others here (Phaseshift? Pedant?) may have more!

If ever US punk is mentioned, this from New York Dolls gets linked to (so why disappoint?).
And if UK punk gets mentioned then this by the Damned (which I actually like!) and this get linked to.

However – before I link to anything by Stooges, The Fall, the Clash or anything, I’ll let your mum un-“brain fart” to see if she thinks that there are just too many F-bombs lurking in the right-hand sidebar of youtube etc etc etc.

I really do try to not link to sweary music (though I’m not infallible!)

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now – someone else I should have mentioned as soon as I saw his post(s).

@puroandson – &son I completely and utterly agree with you.

From what you’ve posted on this forum I think you’re a good bloke.

Here’s a song that appeared on my walkman while it shuffled (don’t they all now – or has everyone reverted to listening to full albums – filler an’ all?). Mainly as we want to a avoid a….

But I’ll find something more fitting for you at some stage.
Good luck with the revision (remember, you can only do your best. If you’ve done your best, then the ‘score’ is irrelevant. If you haven’t done your best, well…. why not?).

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and so a belated birthday to you @arbutus.

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to yooou
Happy birthday deeearr Arrrrrrbuttuuuuuuuuussssssss
Happy birth-day to yoooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Now, there is no single piece of music that’s perfect for you, so a couple of random ones connected by the joy of “Life”
Yep – you guessed it:

and as a salve to that, some garden music (ie wilder life):

(this is also gorgeous)

(I hope Mr Arbutus doesn’t think I’m being forward with that choice)

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I soooooooooo owe Arbutus a birthday choon.

But first a choon that I was going to post at some stage but @madman1nabox made me think – “I really should do this for his bonkers theory”.

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@madman1nabox – huzzah!

A bonkers theory!

And I don’t care if its not yours/ some have heard it before etc…. you brought it so fair play!

And it made me think of a song, so I’ll head over to the Music Thread.

oh – and a welcome! Hello.
As with all newcomers please feel free to say hello through threads like the memories thread, sofa, etc.

I think I’m ok in saying we (or at least many) like bonkers theories!
;¬)

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…of course if Bill is from the recent past (eg 80’s or 90’s) then that will sit very well with the possible UK 20-30 age viewers who are currently in that particular retro vibe…

[oops – takes off London-based focus-group hat]

{cough}

as you were.

 

 

(oh – btw this is not a slur on her, the casting or anything. Maybe a slur on focus-groups. Yes, a slur on them. But not the character, actress or casting process.

god, I hate to have to type that)

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For what it’s worth @craig, yep kill th PM function as it seems more hassle for you (at least for now).

I guess what they do is register then pm the most recent posters.

Maybe I’m just feeling lonely therefore for posting this particular post….

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Does anyone know whether the character name is chosen before the actor is auditioned?

Just curious if the choice of actor inspires the character’s name.

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well, according to her own site, this is the new companion.

Who’d a thought?

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@pedant – ah, thanks for that.

It prodded me to actually find out if that was George’s son on guitar at the back – and it was.

His look of joy at what Prince was doing was what made me like it as much as anything – just joy in the performance.

And yep – I’m kinda guilty of liking what I’ve heard of Petty’s (like this single), but never going out and listening to the rest.
dumbdumbdumbdedumb

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btw @puroandson I was away this week and didn’t get chance to change my rambling ‘songs for Scion’ entry.

What I was trying to say was that actually at 14, 15 for me it wasn’t coming across ‘the classics’ that had an affect, as it was coming across anything and everything!

At that age I was probably lucky in that although some of the stuff I was listening to (and reading!!) was probably crap, it also meant listening to stuff that had completely different ‘sounds’ like crackly old Blues and Jazz, stark Punk, stodgy Rock, un-crackly Electronic, airy Folk, smooth Modern Classical etc etc etc.
This had nothing to do with me but mainly due to random things like being given a blues harmonica and then buying CDs to play along to, having Irish parents with Irish folk music, siblings listening to pop and some Punk and Electro and Autobahn, being of an age where “O Superman” and “Close to the Edit” was on the radio (both stopping me in my tracks), and delving into a public library where someone had been ordering all sorts of stuff…

So…. I guess looking back I kinda enjoyed discovering stuff.
I still have a penchant for buying random collections of ‘various artists’ even though they might be crap – one thing on it might be brilliant.

So (ramble nearly over) I’d suggest a compilation album or two is definitely in order.
Maybe (if we’re sticking to stuff that was contemporary to our generation) Old Grey Whistle Test, or a John Peel collection.

or just some random shit* – its time for experimenting!!

 

 

 

* did I mention that I used to judge books by their cover ?

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@pedant @puroandson

The words “nailed it” just oozed from Prince at the end.

Its a kinda “I’m-gonna-effing-own-this” away from all the other reverential players, but today, I kinda like that.

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oh for the love of god.

Really?

And it seems hard to find any music online…. (sigh).

Guess I’ll have to dig out something – maybe When Doves Cry

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@puroandson

a list a list!! Yes!

My taste “eclectic” ? – thanks but its closer to ‘eratic’. Though actually I reckon that I’m not as different as I used to like to think I was…. (I fear all my pseudo tendencies).

Ok, so what can I add…..?

Well, you’ve been given loads of “classics” and I can’t argue with any of them. Though as its personal taste some I still can’t get to like (Pet Sounds… I know I should but….).

But it made me remember how I got to hear music.
When I was somewhere between 12 and 15, my ‘internet’ (ie random access to music not based on stuff in the house) was the library.
It was ace – CDs for a week or two for 50p. Instantly copied onto tapes of course!
Just like my intake of books (2-3 sci-fi novels a week based solely on the cover… and author if I’d read them before).
I just inhaled albums – stuff I thought I ‘should’ like, weird stuff, compilations etc etc.

Hell, I even got a Japanese No theatre CD* once. I’d try anything!
* it was wonderfully awful/ brilliant.

So, I now go to the local Oxfam charity shop and trawl their CDs. “Win win” as it were!
Most recent great but completely-unknown-to-me album?
An Ethiopiques compilation.
Bloomn’ brilliant!
🙂

So – what else can I think of….? Well, in my house I had the good fortune to have East Side Story by Squeeze and Armed Forces by Elvis Costello in the house. That was handy as it trained a bit of my ear!

Have to go to bed, but one artist I was glad to stumble across was David Sylvian. I got two albums early on and I’m not sure he’s done much better. I can’t tell if its pretentious crap, noodling or awesome sonic-pretentious-crap-noodling!!
I listen to it a lot when reading!

The only other thing I can recommend would be to recommend a non-classic. Or at least a ‘classic’ that doesn’t get enough recognition due to the artist.

Yep – my (I’m not really feeling that guilty) secret is Face Value by Phil Collins.

honestly. Not often but I’ll dig it out every five years or so.

As for fillums…..

Jazz on a Summers Day ?

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Hey @arbutus – thanks for that!

Yep, just scraping Family Guy out of my brain now…. (actually I love Family Guy!).

I’m really glad you posted that as hearing that on headphones makes me realise just how amazing that song is – its bonkers!
The production is really raw, the people playing it are going at it full tilt… they’re not holding anything back.

Its actually a great song (rather than what I had in my head as “oh – that annoying song”).

I initially thought “ooh I must find some psychobilly stuff to reply with” but then I wondered “what else came out in 1963 that I have on my PC?”

And I found this.

 

 

Which is totally not what I expected to find.

🙂

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Just thought I’d post some bird-related songs.

Well, why not?

So here’s one from Elbow (where the birds were witnesses rather than the ones being watched)

 

 

and here’s a ditty from Mercury Rev. I hadn’t heard this for a long while, so glad I looked through for “birds”!

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Thanks @puroandson – Happy Easter to you both too!

And everyone else of course!

@mudlark – glad to hear you have a date for the op. Good luck with it – my mum had 3 hip ops and each one improved her mobility massively.

(now now people, no, she didn’t have 3 hips, that’s just being silly…..)

🙂

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Hi all – yep, been lurking but nothing much to add to all the conversations so….

A few people talking about companions, so here’s one I haven’t done before.

Oh I’ve done Rose within the music-for-companions before, but not this one (mainly as its not that good in terms of appropriateness but as a song…. well, its refreshing!)

;¬)

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I honestly can’t believe that anyone would remember my birthday and then that they would send me a song.

I am absolutely humbled.

Having a stalker is a truly fantastic birthday gift.

;¬)

Now, @puroandson and @arbutus – you really have given me some fantastic birthday tunes (and I am humbled) and now I owe you both.
Though am I reading too much into the choices of songs, that one is about the living Dead, another is about celebrating Life when one is about to marry, and the other is a famous castrati song?

nah, over-analysing I’m sure….. 🙂

oh, and puro – that idea of “what 3 songs would you like to hear now” (as opposed to “what are your 3 favourite songs”) was my big brother.
He really is far far better version of me (or me a slightly weaker version of him).

And its his birthday in a couple of days (and though he’s not on these boards I’ll pass along any stalkeryishness!)

Anyway – I am sure I posted this here before, but weirdly I went searching and can’t find me mentioning it (yet my memory says “yes you did, and you then linked to that yiddish-non-yiddish music”)

ah well.

I’ll try to post later (its now 1am UK time so I mean later Friday night!) as this song was hated by a colleague at work, as it has semblance’s of “jazz”.

{sigh}

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@puroandson – wow, thank you!

yes, it is my birthday this week (how the hell did you know that!??).

;¬)

Post music – even if I don’t like it, so what?? others might and if not….. so what!?

 

 

oh, and as for Tories….. yes.

 

They do tend to fuck you one way or another.

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Completely not important, but thought I’d change my avatar.

The one I had was an image I made years ago (that I clumsily pasted a fez on).

Fez’s are sooooo last regeneration.

So instead, a thing I found on one of those old adverts in the back of comics, that I think sums me up (or at least how I would like to sum myself up).

We’ll see how long this choice lasts…

 

 

(oh, and my laptop is a few years old, is unnamed but has needed replacing since I broke the headphone port-thingy a year ago when I trod on the lead, as well as having a knackered battery)

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been missing in action of late, so I shall amend for my tardiness and suggest a couple of songs for ‘stuff’.

I cannot believe that I haven’t linked to this before (so apologies if I have!).
A song for the Doctor. He has had many adventures here, but perhaps thinking about Amy and Rory, maybe he’s re-evaluating how he thinks of it:

 

 

And here’s the next addition to ‘Music for Monsters’ [lest you forget, this entirely pointless list started on The Sontarans with Generals & Majors by XTC]

Now its the Zygons….

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ah, that might have been my suggestion @blenkinsopthebrave

I’m neither ‘for’ or ‘against’ Chibnall, but as the list of episodes is quite short, I’ll be interested what other ‘watches’ it leads to (or is this year I actually finish my boxset of Fringe and open up Twin Peaks? Thank goodness for Oxfam!).

I’m vaguely interested as to what kind of ‘showrunner’ Chibnall was for Torchwood. I kinda gave up on Torchwood after a few episodes and so never listened out for him. But I wonder if he’s not going to be the same sort of personality as RTD or Moffat. Maybe he’ll be more backroom producer and let writers shine and put more onus on the actors to lead the publicity drives.

And always interested as to what @bluesqueakpip says!
(am still waiting to hear something I strongly disagree with – maybe it’ll be these episodes!)

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ha ha – thanks Ob-wan, Puro

If I’m being honest, I was having a little bit of fun with that, but I was semi-serious about the track.

I actually think the lyrics are quite poetic!

But @puro – with misheard lyrics I find it best to BELT out the lyrics at the top of your lungs.
LOUD is far better, though obviously only with the words you know – the others of course are mumbled.

So… I tend to sing

“Your heart is a big box of paints
la la le le la lerrrrrrrrhhh rrrrhhhaints
Your heart is a big box of paints
arrreeerrrhhhhheerrrhhhrr rrr
The artists sing:
AWAKEN YOU DREAMERS
Asleep in your beds
Ribbons and streamers
DECORATE THE, inside of your head
dummm dummd dum, do it today,
and don’t let the hhmmmmm hmm ones
hmmm you a world wrapped in grey”

(its why I linked to the lyrics in my original post!)

😉

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OB-Wan, pedant – my thoughts on the Music thread (as ever)

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do actors paint a world on the writer’s canvas, with the brushes of the technicians?

or is that silly crap and best to say “I reckon XTC said it better” (click for lyrics)

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@puroandson –

Scion of Ilion – just wishing your mum a speedy recovery.
Looking for a suitable song, I was just re-reading some PMs your mum sent me to help me with my rather stupid blog a couple of years ago. Faced with a rather dumb question about medieval music from me, she instead explained a lot of what was actually going on in music at that time.

Waaaaayyyyyy over my head. Most of it still is!!

;¬)

But I can keep going back over what she told me, so I can still learn!

Here’s a couple of things from those emails that she might enjoy (if she tuts and says “oh that ol’ crap” then fair do’s!!).

This one was to me, surprisingly rowdy – but its long (though made up of short pieces) so I’ll just link rather than embed!!

and here’s something from me, though I fear I’ve linked to it before.
Something quiet. Yet beautiful.

Hope she gets home soon.

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well, here’s a song that sprang to mind via a conversation on another thread.

Then I heard the lyrics (again) and realised that it might be thought of as being connected to Moffat leaving, but no.

I was thinking of a crane!

;¬)

Another ‘conversation’ luckily also brought this gem to mind.

Which I was thankful for.

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well, that’ll be a Chibnall retrospective this year.

Will have to think of more fun things to stretch the year out though.

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I guess this is kinda topical.

Hope everyone is ok on East Coast US.

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Hi all – really enjoyed the music from pedant, arbutus, Craig and puro.

The scratching is excellent and I actually cried a bit when seeing/ hearing the singing in the library!

Apologies for being away this past coupla weeks – hopefully will have a bit more time for posting stuff.

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Well I have neither adequate words or ability to link to anything, due to being away, travelling (ironically?) to a family funeral.

On trying to think of a single song or moment about Bowie is like thinking of *everything* that’s happened musically (hell, culturally) over last 40 or 50 years.

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hey @craig – no worries!

If whoever you had to convince needed confirmation of ‘this domain being kinda important to a few people’ then simply set up a poll!

As ever, I (and I think I speak for many here) am truly grateful for what you did and do – this ain’t your job, you make no money from it (in fact it costs you!) yet you do it with good grace.

And you know – as soon as you need a donation, you’ll have whatever you need within a day.

Hope you’re over the stress and getting into a more relaxing 2016!

;¬)

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I haven’t been able to find the ‘perfect’ song to go along with my wishes for everyone for 2016.

So instead here is a song that has something to do with the season we’ve just watched (for me at least!).
Its quite heart-rending (to me) yet filled with hope.

We’ve had a Doctor facing up to the fact that not everyone lives forever – its just not possible.
But Life cannot be about being immortal – its about living every day and realising how beautiful a thing that is.

Anyway, that sounds a bit like sanctimonious/ sentimental codswallop (mainly due to my inability with getting the right words at the right time!) and Coyne says it much better.

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May I just wish everyone a fantastic 2016!

Apologies I’m late in wishing it – I’ve been procrastinating, trying to find the ‘right’ song to go along with my wishes… and not finding it!
So instead I’ll simply say it, as that’s actually the important thing!

I love this place as its full of interesting voices, saying interesting things. Making me think, even if (especially if) I disagree. I try to read it every day even when travelling and if I’m not adding my voice its often because I’ve nothing interesting to add. But, I’m still grateful to Craig, the Mods and everyone who posts for making it a great space.

Hope 2016 brings you all joy and happiness.
x

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on a happier note…..

here is Aretha Franklin doing her version of Carole King’s song better than King, Whitney Houston, Mary J Blige, Joss Stone… and better than Aretha herself did when she sang for Clinton.

Don’t watch the video (I’m of an English/Irish sensibility so the crowd reactions including King’s kinda grates on me), but if you do, watch it then ‘listen’ again without the video and concentrate on the voice.

I think Aretha is 73 when she’s singing this. And for once, mentioning age or illness or other factors isn’t an excuse for a poor performance, but merely incidental.

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yep @fatmaninabox sad news indeed.

Here he is on The Young Ones which was a hell of a way to first hear this as a young’un meself.

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… and on looking for some klezmer music (to figure out how far off I was!!) I came across this and I thought:

“We haven’t had enough displaced Albanian music on this thread”.

So, here’s something sweet!

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hi again.

A phrase @soundworld used in a post has stayed with me (cheers sounfworld!!) 🙂

The phrase was “collapsing into coherence” and when this popped up on my headphones whilst out and about, the phrase also popped back into my mind!
It also has (for me) some sort of Central European feel to it, though as i know nothing of that music I’ll avoid saying “klezmer” as I’m probably so far wrong it’d be embarrassing.

(though i’ve said it now anyway! 🙂 )

Its still not christmassy but hopefully you’ll forgive me!

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hi all – apologies for being missing in inaction.

Firstly – nice one @pedant for the NHS tune and cause. How do I download a thousand?
And Bieber – benefit of the doubt in terms of his avocation of a public healthcare system that doesn’t discriminate against you if you are poor, yet suffer the same ailment as someone richer?

sure.

But his PR team should have told him to do this as a win-win. If they didn’t, they’re either slow or negligent.

Now, I’m still not feeling the Christmas vibes this year, so tomorrow and xmas day I plan to eat a lot of mince pies, drink a lot of white port (god what a wonderful drink that was to discover), and hope the internal fermenting works.

Musically, I love what @arbutus posted! Most of the musical gags are way over my head, until the last one which was like a pie to the face!
:¬)

So, here’s a cheery ditty from – oh hold on you scrolled forward and see its from that forum-favourite Tom Waits.
Well, it was a bit obvious I might link to this song, so I chose a version I’d not heard before.

If you don’t know it, the album version is more even.

However.
If that is my sole link tonight then there may be people worrying that Chez Whisht is a tad mournful, almost humbug-y. So to allay those fears, here is one of the most awesome “Recommended for you” I’ve ever had from youtube that popped up tonight:

I haven’t heard it in full yet – I may have started going mad at 4 minutes, but I turned it down to background music like a piece of Eno and the animation is captivating!

In fact I might just make that animation my ‘fireplace’ image, flickering in the background, for emotional warmth….

:¬)

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… but as @puroandson said, kinda, Mishima ain’t christmassy.

So, what could be more christmassy than this?

And I think I’ve posted this for however many christmases we’ve had on this forum!

🙂

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Hi @ichabod – ah yes, Mishima.
I almost mentioned it when I posted the Glass piece. I think when I heard/saw Mishima, was when I got over my Glass/ Reich snobbery (my snobbery I hasten to add – I thought Reich ‘better’ and therefore Glass less so, based on listening to only a couple of pieces. Stoopid me).

I can remember the film as sumptuous, but after my shocking posting of the dance from Pulp Fiction, I fear suggesting anyone actually watches it!*

If you can’t sneak out the CD from anywhere then here’s the soundtrack without spoilery visuals

😉

(I like the music without visuals, but my dim memory is of the visuals enhancing the music, especially the temple of the golden pavilion – anyone who’s intrigued watch the film!)

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&Son – scion of @puroandson
“half eight” – excellent! Well done for not completely lying (if the coach has any sense they’ll now know they can trust you).
And the Twist is (was??) a dance but a loooong time ago. And Travolta is a great dancer (I only realised how good when posting that video. Your mum is exactly right – notice how he’s on tiptoe yet also in a sitting position when he moves…)

Now, with Nyman I’m not sure I actually like his music unless its accompanying a film. I gave the “sheep and Draughtsmans Contract” a listen but…
instead I thought its coming up to xmas, we’re all running around like headless chickens, so here’s a piece of Philip Glass’ music that I actually like (there’s a few I do, but many leave me a bit un-nourished)

Play it LOUD

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@lisa – I love that idea that Clara (finally) goes back to Gallifrey to give ‘her’ Tardis to the Doctor, running away with the President’s daughter (Susan) to save her from [insert fate-worse-than-death, like marriage to a Sontaran in a peace deal; sitting pointless exam; going to the Ambassador’s Ball in terrible dress etc etc).

“Hey – take this one! Two careful owners and we really didn’t turn the clock on it back…”

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Hi there &son of @puroandson fame.

I think you mentioned this song (though I’m surprised at your musical references – ukeleles??)

Though maybe your mum knew of them when researching the definitive version of Ode to Joy.
They really do seem to be mining for the joy in it and I think manage to find it after a minute or so….

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