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10 April 2013 at 22:26 #5049
in terms of the Tardis locking out Clara, I think the Tardis may have previous with disliking companions who are (or create) time paradoxes (eg Sam Jones, Charley Pollard, Mila??)?
btw loving the numbers theories. All bonkers, except all the ones that aren’t, which is a lot of them! (for me @bluesqueakpip nailed the Clara-is-the-show through crunchy numbers).
So – I’ve now given up on anagrams (had such high hopes with such an unlikely name as “Clara Oswin Oswald”).
all I really got was:
“DW now L; CALs OS Aria” – [CAL is the hard drive – Aria the OS? Clara the virtual “daughter” or mother?? of River, ‘born’ or nurturing in CAL].
However, my hunch is she’s actually a new character and not familial at all.though if its:
“DW saw CIA so ran, lol” – then I’ll bake everyone a cake!10 April 2013 at 21:40 #5033ah, so much to read (thanks all!) but late shout out to @phileasf and @jimthefish – Smith reading the Beano as a nod to Cushing reading the Eagle in the film.
Its probably all it was (a knowing wink to the film) but really – the Eagle and certainly Dan Dare got subsumed into 2000AD, so the good (or bad) doctor shoulda been reading the 1981 200AD annual.
I mean, there’s even an Alan Moore connection!
;¬)
10 April 2013 at 21:23 #503110 April 2013 at 20:44 #5017Hi @ardaraith – there’s a whole board on AOTD!
But not sure if we’ve had anyone talking about the Dr getting nanoed into a Dalek (though I did wonder that as well… but just forgot!).
btw can I just say its brilliant having all the new voices!
Excellent posts and just as bonkers as all the others!Where’s @blenkinsopthebrave gone? It was he who asked for “bonkers” theories and there’s loads now!
10 April 2013 at 07:08 #4883anyone up for a bonkers theory…?
well, I mean utterly untethered speculation.
If we have 2 Big Bads then the only scene I can imagine is a Mexican Standoff.
The Dr (in a stetson), Sutekh and GI.
With a pocket watch open…
(and hopefully not Murray Golds effing music).
7 April 2013 at 23:47 #4565i should be in bed by now, but just wanted to say how much i enjoyed catching up on a few days postings by everyone! and all the new people too!
I haven’t been to the G’s blog and judging by the comments, won’t bother!must sleep, but agree with remembering – mum’s departing words, trolls (and drolls – forgive me), and the tardis not liking paradoxes… or being blown up!
6 April 2013 at 18:26 #42854 April 2013 at 22:58 #4191ah – and Hi @tiddler (missed your joining as I was slowly typing!)!
Just a very random thought – if the Dr stole the Tardis to see the universe, is he a Tempus Fugitive?
Coat?
Its ok, I’m wearing it.
[holds head in shame…]
4 April 2013 at 22:49 #4187Hi to @edmund, @jamesunderscore and @emmoftheess – looking forward to hear even more bonkers theorising!
I’ve not got much to add tonight, except (for @scaryb) an echo of a previous post I think I made that if there are a number of Drs, they will each have slightly different memories (so if collected in same place, then a specific recent memory will identify the ‘real’ one…).
Oh – and Enter the Dragon methinks! who could forget “O’Hara!!”The DELSA site looks legit if only because to fake that many Googleable names with identities etc would be insane! It also has some wonderful verbiage on its Strategy page (though on second reading its beginning to make sense – does that make me a bad person??).
Only thing about Seattle is that its often used for filming NY scenes…3 April 2013 at 22:42 #4129hi again (tired again) – should say something over on the book thread about the sad news on Ian Banks but too tired and don’t want to say something dumb.
but here is fine for dumb stuff…..
So, I saw my first fashionista in a bow tie today.
You may think ‘so what?’ but I walk through the achingly hippermost-of-the-hoppermost Shoreditch/ Hoxton, (as well as Covent Garden) twice a day (its a long walk).
And I cannot remember anyone in a bow tie before.
And god knows there’s a lot of other fancy dress going on – lots of ankles from the too-short-trousers, fifties headscarves/ pleated dresses, 80’s shoulderpads and acidic colours… you name it. and yes they try too hard.
But no bow ties.
until now (and this a guy near the art and fashion college in Holborn).
He looked ridiculous.
[I’d use a ruder word but maybe it was for a bet]
So its true – the Doctor lies.
2 April 2013 at 21:55 #4089Hi all – I am sooooo tired I was only gonna read and lurk, but had to say hello to @vizier and @lula!
It looks like more activity tonight than there has been in quite a while!
Mainly the speculation over on the Bells (the bells the bells!) – perhaps with the various ideas coalescing with @haveyoufedthefish‘s post (very ‘umble you are, but this is a collective effort, you’re right), its beginning to spark thoughts off each other.though could be too much red bull as well judging by the actual speculation….
but, we have all learned a new term – thankyou Cap’n @juniperfish and more power to your Shipping Forecasts…
1 April 2013 at 18:22 #3975only tiny minnow of thought is that “Artie” is a joke (“RT” as in Radio Times).
1 April 2013 at 13:08 #3953I guess there are some things to speculate about, but feeling like @haveyoufedthefish has nailed a key ponder.
and before I forget @bluesqueakpip – that was some mighty numerology!
Seems small beer to wonder “will it be DT who’s responsible for the screaching tyres in the background, when the Dr and Clara are on the cafe balcony?”.
or maybe a wandering Dalek from when they were filming AAISAT on Waterloo Bridge…?
1 April 2013 at 12:23 #3947@haveyoufedthefish – I salute you!!
Thank god Craig closed the “speculation” thread, as I now think speculation is over!!
wow!
1 April 2013 at 01:43 #3929btw – @phaseshift – really sorry to hear about your back. Hope its not too painful or long term.
31 March 2013 at 19:54 #3905Hi @juniperfish – phew, thanks for not taking offence(!). Must admit i was trying to think of another post to elaborate but couldn’t think of anything – obviously far more discerning people where I don’t have to worry so much over misunderstandings!
Actually, I’ll admit that I thought “shouty”-Tate was either a short-lived ‘special’ or long term aberration, but I was happily surprised that her acting (maybe the writing? apologies, I’m not a writer and so find it tricky to tell where one ends and the other begins) got better and better. She was one of the best companions by the end, and mainly down to her acting (and not being a doe-eyed romantic interest).
I seem now to be at an age where the idea of a companion-blue-peter-presenter-newsreader for “the dads” is apposite (though this isn’t exactly a heartening thought!!)
31 March 2013 at 19:02 #3895[urrkggh!]
@juniperfish – love you as I do (and honestly I hate to disagree with you!), mere mention of ‘that woman’ causes me to splutter and chill!
there are many, many female actresses and comedians who I’d far rather see in Who.
Celia Imrie for one! but the list is too long to mention them all (though Julia Davies as a villain, could out-do the Master for [small scale] nastiness!).
Honestly, please not ‘dear’ Miranda {shudder}.
:¬|
erm, lets have smack-the-pony sponge with a c’mon-c’mon-c’mon cuppa tea and forget all about it!
31 March 2013 at 18:53 #3891ah – hi all!
finally saw the show time-shifted (alarmingly appropriate).
I actually liked it (but more through just enjoying it being back on rather than it being especially good).
And I do have a (completely inappropriate) soft spot for JLC.
(intelligent, funny, attractive….)[sigh].
[ahem]
in terms of two Drs (ie Valeyard) there have been others…. Zagreus? (actually I don’t think Zagreus is relevant other than showing how doubles-of-the-doctor are interesting for writers. as is memory loss etc and this year “remembering” is especially key for a 50th!).
Agreeing a lot with thoughts as to Clara being ‘the show itself’ (nanny, dates etc), though I’m unsure how this nod to the fans will get written into her in-show character narrative.
still think the Dr finally trying to remember “what kind of person am I?” (as in ‘who am I?’) will be key.
Really liked Celia Imrie – great actress, and her final bit was more moving than it might have been (though I think they doubled a child’s voice over her own – how annoying must that’ve been to her as an actress??!?).
@wolfweed – I’m liking this nu-stance! “I too hate this [insert thing] and will never watch again, but will be back to say so!”
twice weekly!!
29 March 2013 at 19:19 #3669In terms of a specific memory, does anyone remember the Weetabix cards that you could collect?
I’m staggered if the flickr posting here (and elsewhere) is correct and that they were from 1975. I was 4(!) but they made a huge impression on me!
I even rescued them from when we had to clear the house we grew up in! (hope i still have them somewhere…)
29 March 2013 at 12:37 #3637Hm… For the 25th anniversary we had Silver Nemesis, but will we get something golden for the 50th…?
If so, won’t be pleasant for the cybermen!
26 March 2013 at 22:44 #3583thanks @phaseshift – I really do like those short videos of Strax et al. The Christmas ones were especially good (there seemed a good dynamic between them – and Strax just has the best lines….)
“Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer…”
Is it because he wrote them…?Anyway, I agree they should play it as close to Who as possible – lurching into Torchwood territory would be a mistake, mainly as the sense of fun would be lost.
25 March 2013 at 21:12 #3567ah, @JimheFish – don’t feed the Drolls.
better to ignore my lame gags… they’ll go away…
but thank you for your sympathy…
25 March 2013 at 21:09 #3565Hey thanks @craig – the one that headlines the article (by Kevin Wada) makes me hope (again!) for an Alan Moore/ Kev O’Neill League of Extraordinary Gentlemen take on the good Doctor.
(he had Mycroft in an earlier comic, so this wouldn’t be completely impossible, and Kevin O’Neill is a god).
24 March 2013 at 13:34 #3545oops – forgot another bonkers theory.
Its the real First Question:
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Could answering this really be what’s been going on all this time…?
24 March 2013 at 02:47 #3503hmm, of course with 2 doctors (and there’s a been a few down the years), they have slightly different memories and so answering truthfully on the ‘Fields of Athenry’ will identify the ‘real’ Dr…
23 March 2013 at 19:59 #3481btw if anyone here knows how to trawl the interwebs to get at hidden gems (if it exists!), one memory from my past is Freddie Jones reading a ghost story. I think its a Spine Chillers (imdb link) in 1980, but no details and on a cursory Google nothing on youtube…
In my memory, this was a telling of a story that utterly en-rapt me and even when mum called me for the umpteenth time(!) to come into the dining room for tea I held back (which really wasn’t done!).
But even though I watched it to the end, I have no memory of it except for him in an armchair and a rumbling sonorous voice…
23 March 2013 at 19:39 #3479so, as we near the next series and my stoopid theories and thoughts get overtaken by actual writers and y’know, proper writing and stuff, I thought I’d better release the loose ends of my wandering pondering.
Feels safe enough company… 🙂[ahem]
The Dr was meant to forget the Silence – they’re protecting something (dangerous a ‘big bad’) for him. He made himself forget what it was they’re hiding; they make people forget it as soon as they see it.
Now, I had thought it was the Hand of Omega but Moffat wouldn’t go there (even for the “Dr HoO” gag), but maybe something related to that whole backstory.Obviously(?!) his name is the big secret – I imagine its a password to this ‘big bad’ and will be revealed as Gallifreyan runes – “tah-dah!” with a “huh?/ wha?/ who?” from everyone.
Or maybe it isn’t his name which is the password but his nickname..“Clever boy” was a childhood nickname that he adopted as “Doctor”.
Either the Tardis or his mother will tell the Doctor as a child to “Run, run you clever boy” or even “Run! You: ‘Clever boy’!” (away with the Tardis).
[catches breath]
right, still no anagrams for Clara Oswald (even in pig Latin its very roughly “clear Oswald” but surely not a lazy ‘Lee Harvey is innocent gag?)?
and yet, on top of all this is a hunch that the Great Intelligence is directing stuff across time…
phew.I can only hope that all this errant thinking sparks something more likely in someone else’s thoughts!
23 March 2013 at 18:19 #3477Just wanted to add my thanks too! – cheers for the link @Phasehift!
Loved it – lovely little vignette.
It reminded me of the Universe trying to get in contact with the Dr. This time I do think “something” is trying to reach him through Clara Oswald, but what this is.. or Who… ah, that’s for the speculation board!!
(maybe a bonkers theory will tempt Blenkinsopthebrave back!)
;¬)
23 March 2013 at 14:17 #3465ah @phaseshift – I think we’re the same age and its a shame if you never saw it, as anyone who can remember the intricacies of Sapphire & Steel as you can, would have appreciated this programme at the time!
Also I think you mentioned you were a scientist and so I imagine this programme would have really piqued your interest (for me as a 7 year old it kinda went over my head, but intrigued me a lot trying to follow it!). Presented by James Burke, who’s ability to communicate is just wonderful I think. Here’s a link to one of the programmes:
and @jimthefish – thank you for the clip – loved seeing Jock again (loved him at the time!) and had forgotten about the “touch phobia” (but this brought it all back!)
22 March 2013 at 21:22 #3399um, I guess I haven’t yet owned up to some TV series that made me the thing i am today….
so:
Michael Bentine’s Potty Time (silly, odd and no idea what was going on)
Rhoobarb & Custard (odd and lovely and yet couldn’t quite anticipate how the story would unfold);
Connections (factual, clever and I never knew quite what was going on or repeat it afterwards);
Sapphire & Steel (sooo cold and can’t remember much except not knowing what was going on…);
Brond (disturbing and couldn’t quite follow what was going on);Now I think of it, I guess there’s a theme here (but not sure what…)
oh and A Very Peculiar Practice (strange and funny and I couldn’t quite figure out why the policewoman interested me so… oh actually. no. I can.)
btw do we need a music thread for music that meant a damn…?
22 March 2013 at 19:54 #3389If he’s up for it, and not sure if anyone would be put out, I’ll second JimtheFish as a moderator.
Good choice!21 March 2013 at 06:22 #3337Probably not a spoiler, but the Russian word in the poster for Cold War is “radiation”.
But I don’t know the Ice Warriors well enough so this might be something obvious.
Yes, I’m hyper sensitive to spoilers!
19 March 2013 at 23:21 #3321Hi @phaseshift
“Anyone else had any thoughts?”
erm…. well, recently my bonkers theories are all “first question” related…
only thing I can add about St. John’s is that its in Smith Square.
No jokey reference likely here then…..
:¬)
.
[ok ok, this is St Johns near Westminister (and therefore closer to the Bridge seen in the poster) rather than the Tower’s St. John Chapel. I still reckon there’s a visual gag here that they wouldn’t pass up, surely..?]19 March 2013 at 06:19 #3291Looks like a second series of Utopia will happen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/mar/18/channel-4-commissions-utopia-second-series
That’s if the writer can figure out how to extend it (as season 1 was somewha self contained)
Good news though
16 March 2013 at 09:22 #3205ah @jimthefish and @juniperfish – both of you trying to to tell us about the same unlikely story….
I smell something fishy!
[I’ll get my coat!]
13 March 2013 at 06:46 #3161Ah Janette, I knew that -I’m sorry, I was trying to be funny but my tone got completely lost in the keyboard!
I was also harking back to a previous conversation I’d had here when I’d been unfairly critical of Whithouse (and rightfully he was defended!)
So, apologies and for the record (everyone) I did like BH in all it’s unevenness!
😉
12 March 2013 at 23:29 #3155hey @bluesqueakpip, I think I understand the difference you’re alluding to, but can’t imagine how that would be played out (I’m trying to think of people actually answering a question…).
However, what’s maybe interesting is that although no one can speak falsely, the one thing we do know is that “the Doctor lies”.
;¬)
which is slightly more amusing than the far longer, duller post I’m trying to write around this darn arc and what it could mean!
12 March 2013 at 22:40 #3153ooh @janetteb – bit hash on Whithouse’s writing, but I s’pose even though I enjoyed some bits of Being Human, I guess you’re right…
;¬)
11 March 2013 at 09:15 #3143hmm… a nice test @jimthefish… and agree with your points, but I can’t imagine any of the Doctors actually hanging around!
There’d be running off somewhere, saving the world when we all know that the we only put the world to rights at the end of the evening…However, been wondering if the same test can be taken to the companions… they’d hang around I’d imagine, though would we all gravitate to the one(s) we fancied?
And though I think any of the male companions would be flattered being chatted up (eg Harry), I think most of the female companions would give the lads short shrift…
9 March 2013 at 19:20 #3121um, hopefully we haven’t lurched too awkwardly into religion (surest way to get someone annoyed!).
@bluesqueakpip I don’t know about RTD’s other writings on religion so can’t comment. It dawned on me that it was weird that there could be a personality for ‘god’ (old testament anger then new testament love), but I do think that there’s good drama to be had with characters being able to keep 2 truths in mind at the same time (and I’m not referring to suspending disbelief).
[ahem] but anyway – Who was ‘History and Science’, so I prefer my Spartacus “I am a critical thinker – I am a free man!” to RTD’s quasi-mystical rubbish.
ah well, – all of its a bit bonkers!
;¬)
9 March 2013 at 16:50 #3101actually @juniperfish – I did kinda think about RTD and that storyline but only afterwards (it was a weird train of thought that got me to “I am the Doctor”!).
I actually hated that whole ‘resurrection of the Doctor’ thing with Tennant rising up with arms outstretched – urgh! Really hated that, and the whole ‘chant his name’… I’m from a Roman Catholic background (though my current avatar may suggest where my head is at), so perhaps it made my bile rise a little more than others, but still. It suggested both hubris and cheap theatricality.
[ahem]
Obviously my nod to grandiose theatricality is at least a nod to a film heroing butting-up against authority!
;¬)
9 March 2013 at 16:28 #3099he he! thanks @juniperfish – though I’m more ‘flingin-ideas-at-a-wall-and-hoping-one-will-stick’ than anything else!
Though Spartacus is more an Easter theme – so maybe the 50th is closer to my next bonkers theory (oh yes, I have others…!)
:¬)
now, back to the rugby (and a rather fine red, though sadly not red-head!)
9 March 2013 at 15:25 #3095I have a bonkers theory! I have a bonkers theory! I have a bonkers theory!!!!
@blenkinsopthebave – over here, over here quick!(I paraphrase):
“On the Fields of Trenzalor, the first question, hidden in plain sight, will be asked. A question that must not be answered!”Presumably that is – “Dr Who? Dr Who??”
Now, imagine that the reason it mustn’t be answered, is because the Dr’s enemies are trying to kill him in battle on the Fields of Trenzalor. If he’s identified (on the Field) he’ll be killed.
So what’s the bestway to not answer that question?
By answering it of course! a la Spartacus…“I am the Doctor!”
Now, imagine that all the fans are encouraged to do the same, out loud at screenings, in their homes, over Twitter (#iamthedoctor)….
4th wall, here we come!!
[ieeee thenk youw]
6 March 2013 at 13:38 #3063@scaryb – “something in the WiFi”? – is that the London Underground wifi? Has that Virgin WiFi resurrected the GI???!!?
Damn that meddling Branson!
;¬)
howdy @jimthefish – that thar’s a darn fine avatar!
5 March 2013 at 12:37 #3045hey Whohar (hm, that sounds a bit like a US Marine greeting!) and jimthefish,
agree with the amnesiac doctor being done before (twice? more than that??) but still, I was presuming “silence will fall” when no one knows the answer to the question “Doctor Who?” (including the Dr?).
Now I think I prefer your moment of indecision – “what kind of doctor am I? a man of violence? a man of peace and science?”.
Always thought his face-off with Julian Bleach’s Davros was one of the best bits of Who I’ve seen…
1 March 2013 at 22:17 #2975oh @phaseshift – I would pay you in real Earth pounds to blow up a Metal Mickey!
It really was a crap programme!
28 February 2013 at 21:48 #295328 February 2013 at 21:39 #2951@jimthefish – A Chris Morris episode of Who???
you’re a genius!! Brass Eye is some of the best TV I’ve ever seen in any genre*
*yeah yeah I’ll say the same thing about something else in the next 10 mins but its just so good, and better than the Brooker stuff that I’ve seen. Having said that, it’s obvious I need to start watching Black Mirror!
28 February 2013 at 21:24 #2949;¬)
really had a lot of fun reading those comments about the avatar – thanks!!
@phaseshift– not a fan of Mickey magic??!!?
;¬o
would it have been better if I’d been able to find a photo to copy of Twiki from Buck Rogers?!? (“Minnieminnieminnie”)!
To explain myself in terms of “why the hell is Mary holding a Metal Mickey?”….
Many years ago, in a galaxy far far away…. I was an illustrator (editorial stuff mainly in magazines) and this was a xmas card that was something to make me laugh! There were a couple of variants but nothing doctorish I’m afraid!
Haven’t painted anything in years, so haven’t anything to hand for avatars apart from old scans, so I’m really feeling lazy compared to @janetteb!!27 February 2013 at 23:08 #2919 -
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