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I think Nardole was knitting a scarf…
I’m more awake now! (That wouldn’t be difficult)
I haven’t read the last two pages of posts yet, so apologies if I’m going over old ground…
@nick I’m not sure that any citizens were actually killed during those 3 months (it seemed in ‘Pyramid’ that the Monks could be ‘merciful’ and perhaps only killed to gain consent). Although what are chances of no killings when the TRUTH Police do the Monks’ donkey work with loaded guns? (Well guns can make people comply!)
If the story went that the humans remained affected, they’d probably have behaved better towards each other afterwards (for a time at least) just like they did in ‘Pyramid’ when the threat united them (see hasty World Peace).
I don’t agree with everything said in this link but it’s an interesting look at the philosophy of the ‘Trilogy’ truth in fidelity… (& it makes me appreciate it a bit more as a trilogy, even though it’s slagging it off a bit)
I stand corrected. Pure love did indeed win the day, but only because Bill doesn’t know how much of a bloody misery-guts her mum could sometimes be in reality! (Ha!) (And what an annoying voice she had! Tee-Hee!)
Mark Gatiss will appear on the One Show on BBC1 tomorrow @7pm…(presumably to talk about next week’s ep)
Matt Lucas is on twitter, heavily implying that Nardole’s knitting is going to be of great significance…..
(For the stump scene, see also this, from ‘Remembrance of the Daleks’:)
Ace: But this is Earth, 1963. Well someone would’ve noticed, I’d have heard about it!
The Doctor: Do you remember the Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness monster? Or the Yetis in the underground?
Ace: The what?
The Doctor: Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity when trying to destroy itself.
…A ‘willing prisoner’ – Like Missy?!?
This is just my understanding of things. I could probably do with a rewatch – Too knackered just now though…
To elaborate on post 58494, I suspect that the Monks presumed that the only way for the Doctor to defeat them would be for him to remove the lynchpin – to ‘Kill Bill’ – and they knew he wouldn’t.
I don’t think it was the power of love that defeated the monks – As has already been explained, I think it’s something to do with the anomaly that Bill’s mum was real, but Bill’s memories of her were made up – because that’s all she could do as a way of ‘having her mum’.
The monk is on the ship because the Doctor is a prisoner on it. Only the Doctor’s seeming betrayal was a set up…
People (dafties) on twitter are blaming Steven Moffat for this script. He didn’t write it! (He outlined the gist)…
Also, if there are any serious plot holes in any of the stories, the script/story editors should get the blame. Although Moffat does rewrites, scripts are passed on to these editors to eliminate such problems and to tie stories together satisfactorily…
The other plot hole that came up was this:
Why did the monks imprison the Doctor & not Bill?
I’m not sure I have an acceptable answer for this in my current wabbit state…
Presumably they thought that without the Doctor, Bill would never discover the truth of her being the source. Their simulations & prophetic shower curtains didn’t count on Nardole & the Resistance having – well, resisted…
Sh*tty sims & shower curtains…..!!!
Perhaps they also didn’t count on the Doctor’s revealing chat with Missy…?
Sloppy sims & shower curtains!
Patrick Ness has confirmed that he won’t be returning to Class, even if there is a series 2…
Plenty of potential plot holes this week too. Let’s try & address some…(even though I’ve not really slept!)
@serahni On the not using the TARDIS (where was it all episode?), @tardigrade‘s explanations would cover this. Using it as a taxi = breaks the Monks’ trust. Using it to take Bill into Space to break the link, as also explained = Not ideal. The other thing is that the Doctor declared previously that he doesn’t take the TARDIS into battle (though he’s a bit inconsistent about that!)…..
@tardigrade Why does the Doctor refer to Missy as “the other last of the Time Lords”, with the others returned, even if laying low?
A ‘very guid’ point – & one which I can’t really begin to answer – Perhaps he’s killed them all again(!)
Why didn’t they just smash the statues? Same thing as before – Breaking the link is not ideal…A lot of statues to smash – Plan would probably fail before completion, even if you had enough hammers…
Where did they get the Walkmans from? Maybe from the Walkman Museum?(Ha!)
Why was the CGI so bad? Budget, my dears…. Budget…..
Also for your delectation: A revelation about the actress who plays Bill’s Ma: Where have we seen Bill’s mum before? (No spoilery comments @ the time of linking)
And talking of 1984, the TV Peter Cushing version was recently rediscovered & is well worth a watch… 1984
@thane15 I tried to follow what’s going on with the London attacks on twotter…
Had to stop, as it’s choked with bile & hatred…..
@fatmaninabox I hope that your return signals that you’re feeling much better, even if the world isn’t exactly much nicer…..
@janetteb A ‘P Gang’ series is probably the last thing Moffat wants to do right now, but it’s nice to imagine what it would be like…..
@pedant Paul Gascoine now looks like Bamber Gascoine’s dad.
I’ve heard lots of interesting rumours today, the majority being about srs 11. But the most interesting one floating out there is that Moffat wants to do a Paternoster spin off series…..
Apparently it’s been there since the 17th of May. It’s taken a long time to notice!
But it does have a ring of truth about it. Should probably reduce the threat level to rumour though…..
Fun fact- If you type Gabriel Byrne Doctor Who into Google you still see it in the result.
So, as mentioned in post 58298, the Doctor programs the TARDIS for disguise as a pyramid. It doesn’t work of course, because the chameleon circuit is stuck… I couldn’t find the vid clip, so here’s the dialogue:
ADRIC: What do these numbers and letters mean?
DOCTOR: Well, it’s an early version. The instructions have to be punched in by machine code.
ADRIC: Oh, how boring.
DOCTOR: Boring? In theory we should be able to do things like this.
(The Doctor hits a few keys and the scanner draws an outline of a pyramid.)
DOCTOR: There. You have a door there.
ADRIC: Yes, I suppose that’s useful.
DOCTOR: Well, we’ve got to be able to get in and out.
ADRIC: No, no, I mean being able to change like that.
DOCTOR: That’s how the Master hid from us on Traken. Anyway, if this worked, I’d just have to punch a few buttons like this, and we’d be a pyramid.
(The scanner diagram becomes the familiar police box in space.)
Steven Moffat co-wrote the Tintin movie, so is probably aware of Rascar Capac (bloody creepy he is too!)
@lisa The TARDIS has already run the program for disguise as a pyramid – in ‘Logopolis’…..
On a sad note, (In the next issue of DWM) Steven Moffat reveals why this episode is not as strong as it should have been.
Bloody tragic.
Even if people don’t like Moffat’s stuff, it should be appreciated the guy hasn’t had a proper holiday for years. He works blinking hard on the show because he loves it.
Really hoping that Sutekh is the brains behind the Monks. I’d give that a standing ovation!
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The monks remind me of Rascar Capac from Tintin – a mummy that comes alive in everyone’s nightmares…..
I repeat. Bill’s phone ringtone could be of some significance. (see post 58281)
I noticed it before but I wanted to see if any other companions have had the same ringtone. I don’t really have the time to scan every episode to check this! I did do it with the Zygon 2-parter though – Clara’s mobile had a normal ringtone…
To be fair the Doctor hears it during the episode & makes no comment. Perhaps it’s reverted to being ‘the Dr Who theme’ & it was the Doctor who supplied it to Bill…..
If anyone wants to pore over the plot holes, the transcript of the episode is now online…
The Master’s quadruple beat (based on the Dr Who theme & the double heartbeat of a Time Lord, which became the Archangel Network signal & Four Knocks) is the ringtone for Bill’s mobile phone in this episode & the last…
As noted by others elsewhere online…..
They don’t use Google. Search engine of choice is GriffinFinder…
3614 combination may be a reference to Cher’s LP ‘3614 Jackson Highway’…
Bill’s jacket has Okinawa embroidered on the back. The Okinawa campaign was a fight between the US & the Japanese.
Rachel Talalay is confirmed as the director of the Xmas Spesh. She’s currently hunting down locations.
I guess this means the 13th Dr is cast by now…
Also that deal the Beeb made with the Chinese means the next 5 series of Dr Who are assured…..
