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Thank you.

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And….she loves him, she said so. She has tried to stop him doing things before.  It will always be The Doctor in the Tardis, one doesn’t function well without the other, and I don’t travelling.

Missy

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@ichabod:

Addicted to us indeed.  Not a good thing to be, we aren’t nice creatures. No wonder he’s looking ill, we are a virus he’s contracted and there is no pill for it.

Missy

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@pedant:

Really? What a shame. Definitely the best Science Fiction programme after the Doctor.

Thanks for that.

@wolfweed.

Many thanks!

Why is Cardiff so far away – not fair.

Missy

p.s. Had a look at the Experience,  gawd I’d’ve loved to go.  I wonder if they sold MR HUFFLE in the shop?

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@pedant;

I had to smile. Who used to say that? “I’ve come over all unnecessary.”

Missy

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@mirime:

It definitely suits him. Glad I’m not the only one. *winks*

Missy

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I’m going to make a complete ass of myself now. Is it just me, or is the Doctor becoming more attractive each episode?I love his hair. Perhaps it’s my age. *sigh*

Missy

 

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Puro:  To me, any mis-steps others consider can be forgiven of  PC when you consider Heaven Sent, Deep Breath, and The Husbands of River Song which caused buckets of tears in the Ilion household.

You too a?  Don’t forget  Face the Raven, when he takes her hand and kisses it – Capaldi’s idea or so he said – that really broke me up.

Miss

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@nick:

In Hell bent, he made a mistake, he went too far, he admits it. That to me makes him  as  human as the rest of us – just for that one time.

Clara had (although I liked her) grown a little too big for her boots. She got carried away by her performance in Flat Line, so much so, that she thought she was as smart and as invulnerable as the Doctor. She brought what happened to her on herself, which to fair she admits. Remember her telling Rigsy, that if her plan went wrong, the Doctor  would sort it out? Realising this, the Doctor is full of guilt for letting it get this far, so sets out to save her, but of course he can’t bring her back from the dead. In his grief he wasn’t thinking straight, he began backtracking to make it right and in the process made it worse.

How many of us haven’t been in that position some time in their lives?  I have. Is it any wonder that in Empress of Mars he looks tired and even unwell?

For me Heaven Sent and Hell Bent told the age old story of  loving too much, but not well and now he is paying for it.

Missy

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@thane15: I see. I get what you mean: I didn’t realise you meant selfish! Or cowardly and I must say that I cannot agree with you with regards to Clara. It upsets me I suppose: that a man, as @missy eloquently put it (and yes you DO add to the discussion. Always!) who has saved countless lives, should not let  Clara out: I think you said that Clara’s a “reanimated corpse, undead not living”. I should add that’s disturbing: and not set out in the story anywhere? She lives, moves, thinks, rationalises, processes and loves, profoundly, still.

I copied the above so you will know which post I am referring to.

I couldn’t said all of the above any better, we obviously – to a point – think alike.  Cowardly the Doctor ain’t, vulnerable he definitely is. Which is what has endeared me to Capaldi’s Doctor from the first.

Missy

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@nick:  I suspect that we will need, in a couple of years, to rewatch the whole of Capaldi’s run, using hindsight to fully appreciate what both Moff and Capaldi actually achieved.

I have watched the whole run  quite a few times – up to now – and fully appreciate their achievements NOW. I don’t need a couple of years. Perhaps I am easily pleased, but I do know that I have been more transported, with dleight, sadness, grief and laughter,  since Capaldi took over the Doctorship.

Missy

 

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@blenkinsopthebrave:  Capaldi’s first outing as the Doctor has one important characteristic that has stayed with him throughout…self-doubt.

Forgive me if I am misquoting, but I remember Nardole telling the Doctor that  he knew everything. The Doctor replies that he doesn’t. Nardole answers that he always acted as though he knew everything (something like that.)

“I act that way because  I don’t.”” There is your self doubt.

@nerys:  Initially I was not sold on Capaldi’s Doctor, but I decided to be patient, and over time he has won me over. Especially compelling for me was “Heaven Sent,” in which he delivered a tour de force performance.

Superb wasn’t he. As was the script, the special effects AND the music. I am going to miss him dreadfully. *sniff*

Missy

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@bluesqueakpip:

Thank you for that.

Puro:  A lot of today’s youth have no idea just how lucky they are. But then how can they? That’s the problem.

Missy

 

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@wolfweed: The BBC Click article on binaural sound suggest it’s going to be the next big thing because everyone goes around with headphones on all the time now. First signs of becoming Cybermen…?

Either that or dumb.  People have stopped talking to each other, they spend their time prodding away at their mobile phones – gawd I hate those things. All they are good for are emergencies. it amused me the other day when I was asked for my mobile phone number. When I said that I didn’t have one, the person looked at me as though I was from another planet.

Missy

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@missrori:

Hmm, I suppose we shan’t know until we see it. Of course, it also depends on Who the Doctor is.

@tardigrade:

Babylon 5? Really enjoyable and a great shame when it was axed. The X files never interested me for some reason.

@thane15:

Like @nick; I to wish him well and hope for the best.

@wolfweed:

I didn’t know there was such an event as the Doctor Who Experience, where is it?

It’s a wonder they didn’t add ‘timey wimey,’ isn’t it?

Missy

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Blimey!  Posts are getting too complicated for me, too intellectual. All I know is that I loved this episode and keep watching it.

Missy

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A thought occurred to me.  The Doctor took a big risk plugging himself into the transmitter Monk, in fact it threw him off. Surely that would have affected his mind.

Add to that, the machine which restored his sight temporarily, was dangerous – he said it could fry his mind (words to that affect.)

The loss of River and Clara, the girl  he cannot remember other than her name.

The responsibility of guarding Missy with the hope that she will become a good Time Lord.

All of which must have had an affect on him, and the fact that he looked so tired when they returned to the Tardis, is to my way of thinking something to be taken into consideration.

Perhaps all these things plus Missy asking if he was all right, could be the beginning of the end of our Doctor.

Missy

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@bluesqueakpip:

It’s interesting how opinions vary. The first three Doctor’s, from 2005, were convincing in different ways, but Capaldi was and is the best of the bunch – so far.

I find him  more convincing than the other three because he appeared to suffer more than they did, so although he is supposed to be non-human, he is more human than the others.

That’s my slant on it anyway.

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@mudlark: Ooops, sorry about that. I obviously missed your comment about Boris. A comfort to hear that the NHS is still functioning well.

Missy

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@mirime: He actually says that, when he retreats to his Tardis. back to the diamond wall he thinks “why Bird?”

You see his face change and coming back to the Tardis he says, “That’s what I remember!” He repeats this to Clara, without mentioning the bird.

Nick: he wasn’t cowardly, he had a duty of care – and he missed her.

@ichabod: I don’t think you’ve missed anything, if so, then so have I.

My goodness what a debate, unfortunately I cannot add anything of worth to it. I do know that SM said that the regeneration would be different from all the others, I heard him say so.

Missy

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I haven’t read all your posts as yet (shall do) but here is what I thought about this episode.

It was light relief from the last three episodes. A bit silly, but fun nonetheless.

Why did the Tardis take off all on its own? Did Missy have anything to do with it – how?

And why did  Missy ask the Doctor if he was all right? What, one wonders, was that all about?

Very Mark Gatiss.

Missy

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@scaryb: Although the monks have gone by the end, most other people still do not have this awareness. They choose to go along with what they are told, and to not examine their thoughts/memories or the world around them in any depth.

Rather like the EU – innit?

Missy

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Is there any truth in the rumour that Boris Johnson is a possible candidate for prime Minister?

Now, that would be interesting.

Shall be watching “Mars” tonight.

Missy

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@janetteb:

I never visited the British Museum – always meant to, *sigh* and I only went to the Tower one week before we came here! *shakes head* Mind you, I did go to many castles, Stately Homes and each point of the compass on the UK. I believe that if you spent a year exploring every nook and cranny in just London alone, you still wouldn’t see all of it.

Missy

 

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@nick:

As we say, just speculation.

@mirime:  I’ve only watched it once but didn’t he say ‘this is the other last of the Time Lords’

Yes he did.

@miapatrick:

Good point, but we are watching an episode written by Toby Whithouse, not Moffat, so who nose?

@missrori: Clara wasn’t immune to comments about her appearance in Series 8!

Exactly. Just the thing this Doctor would say – he needed his cue cards. He can be so rude at times. Also –

And oh he is afraid.  He’s just a bloke in a box telling stories but he knows that if he’s wounded just right he becomes the Hybrid, hungering for succor with an appetite to swallow all space and time.  He’s scared that when his final test comes, he won’t pass it.

But I think he will…

I think you are right, and of course he will

@nick:

As we say, just speculation.

@mirime:  I’ve only watched it once but didn’t he say ‘this is the other last of the Time Lords’

Yes he did.

@miapatrick:

Good point, but we are watching an episode written by Toby Whithouse, not Moffat, so who nose?

@missrori: Clara wasn’t immune to comments about her appearance in Series 8!

Exactly. Just the thing this Doctor would say – he needed his cue cards. He can be so rude at times. Also –

And oh he is afraid.  He’s just a bloke in a box telling stories but he knows that if he’s wounded just right he becomes the Hybrid, hungering for succor with an appetite to swallow all space and time.  He’s scared that when his final test comes, he won’t pass it.

But I think he will…

I think you are right, and of course he will

@nick:

As we say, just speculation.

@mirime:  I’ve only watched it once but didn’t he say ‘this is the other last of the Time Lords’

Yes he did.

@miapatrick:

Good point, but we are watching an episode written by Toby Whithouse, not Moffat, so who nose?

@missrori: Clara wasn’t immune to comments about her appearance in Series 8!

Exactly. Just the thing this Doctor would say – he needed his cue cards. He can be so rude at times. Also –

And oh he is afraid.  He’s just a bloke in a box telling stories but he knows that if he’s wounded just right he becomes the Hybrid, hungering for succor with an appetite to swallow all space and time.  He’s scared that when his final test comes, he won’t pass it.

But I think he will…

I think you are right, and of course he will

@blenkinsopthebrave:  What is so good about Moffat is that, even at this late stage, we have little idea of what is in store for the final two parter, and the conclusion to Capaldi’s run. I don’t know exactly why, but I have a feeling that we might be left with a tragic end for this Doctor. Not just a sad end, or a wistful end, but a tragic end. He enterered the scene unsure of who he was, and he has lost a lot, including River and even his memories of Clara.

Well, he does say that the Christmas special will be different.

@missrori:  There haven’t been any other Time Lords or Ladies roaming about as yet.

Not yet, but remember his daughter is flying round the universe somewhere? I never forgot her.

<span class=”useratname”>@jimthefish: Yes it did. Thank you.</span>

My apologies if the above seems weird,but I am answering each page of posts, one at a time.

Missy

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@thane15: PURO

Two Doctors and two Masters? Not entirely himself?

Hark, is that the soothing, sweet tones of the Twilight Zone I hear?

Missy

 

 

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@lisa:

Most resolutions usually are simple.

@missrori:

Perhaps he didn’t use his regenerative powers to cure his blindness, because he didn’t think it important enough to waste them?

@wolfweed: I remember In The forest of the Night, the Doctor tells Clara that humans forget, and they just become fairy stories.

Did anyone notice that the electronic cage (for want of a better word) that Missy was in, was very similar to Eurus’s prison in Sherlock?

Missy

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@wolfweed: Well, I’m glad someone said, you beat me to it. Steven Moffat didn’t write the script, Toby Whithouse did! All right he had to approve of it, but it wasn’t his work.  Not that it matters because, as I’ve already said, I really enjoyed this episode.

@thane15:  That laugh! *shudder* It had the same affect on me as the smile he gives in the TV talks.

@serahni: No good taking her to another planet, she was a ‘blood link.”

@cathannabel: Me too, *sniff* I thought it was a lovely idea, and all because the Doctor was being kind (Like Family of Blood, without the fury)

@tardigrade: Thank you for that, but I waited and watched on channel two.

@iusedtobethedoctor:

I don’t know whether you are real, or a troll, but whatever you are I get the strong impression that you didn’t like this episode – can’t think why? All I can say to that is, stop watching Doctor Who and  stop blaming Steven Moffat.

*shakes head and rolls eyes*

Missy

p.s. I watched the After show, talk about giving the game away for next week.

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Now I have seen it twice, I can honestly say that I really liked it. Peter was almost manic (that smile made me shudder) and Pearl played her part admirably. As for Missy, I wouldn’t trust those tears for a second – she is planning something, and hopefully the Doctor won’t be taken in.

Now to your posts. This is likely to take a while. *grins, makes a coffee and makes self comfortable*

Missy

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Very sad news. Thank you for posting @blenkinsopthebrave.

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@xxtheshadowhunter:   Hello there *waves*

This is a marvellous forum, so if you are a true Whovian you are in for a terrific time.

Missy

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Watched last night.  Turned off the TV and thought: “Did I enjoy that one?”

Answer: YES I did.

I shall watch again  carefully, because there is something wrong with the scene in the vault with Missy and co. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I can’t quite work out what it is that bothers me? Other than that I liked it.

Looking forward to reading all your posts tomorrow, I shall have more time.

@tardigrade;  I think that of the three, this one was the weakest, my favourite was Extremis.

Missy

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@pedant:

Haven’t heard this.

@janetteb:

I never hated London, my only mistake was to take all it had to offer for granted. All that history – “oh well, it will still be there tomorrow.”  Trouble was, we weren’t. We left on a whim, but that doesn’t mean we have been unhappy here.

Missy

 

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Mmm!

Just had a quick squizz at the posts. (avoiding spoilers) It sounds as if not many of you liked it. I shall find out tonight.

Missy

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I haven’t watched any of the atrocity and I don’t want to. My OH told me about it this morning and I have steadfastly avoided it. This doesn’t mean that I don’t care, I do, too much and the anger I feel is almost overwhelming.

Although we have lived here in OZ for decades, London is the city in which I was born and I still love it. Being the kind of people you are on this friendly forum, I know that you will understand this. Every time I hear Big Ben chime, the tears begin, can’t help it.

Sentimental I’m not, there is simply something about that wonderful sound that gets to me. No wonder I sink myself in Doctor Who, if only there were such a person. Wouldn’t that be great?

Missy

 

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@serahni:    I just stopped enjoying Who.  Season 9 was arduous

That’s almost blasphemous! *grins*

Ever since PC became the Doctor (except for the rare episode because of the writing) the show has been superb.

I loved 8/9/ and now 10, with, as I said, exceptions. Surely you can’t have found fault with “Heaven Sent?”

Missy

 

 

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On thing which puzzled me – I knew there was something I meant to say.

In earlier episodes, the Doctor, when meeting an alien he doesn’t recognise, demands to know their name. One wonders why he didn’t do so this time?

As my OH would say, “because it isn’t in the script!” But then he isn’t a Who fan, so that sort of comment is to be expected. *rolls eyes*

Missy

 

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@janetteb:

I didn’t get to see DT as Hamlet, but did see Olivier, Branagh and Cumberbatch’s versions. Enjoyed all three so differently played,. BC’s was the most up to date, plus helped me to sympathise with  the character at last. I always found him to be a weak man  until I saw BC’s adaptation.

@scaryb:   Hello, *waves*

You forgot the Jammy dodgers. *big grin* However, I agree with you about Peter Capaldi, a lot of us are going to miss him – a lot!  and Steven Moffat.

@janetteb

I understand completely. Isn’t it annoying?

Missy

 

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@countscarlioni:

Well we’ll soon find out won’t we.  I have to say that I’d rather not know until I actually see the episode – and THIS time, I shan’t watch the trailer afterwards.

Missy

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@missrori:    *snigger*

Night, night.

Missy

 

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I avoid anything which smacks of a “give away.”

Missy

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@mudlark: Quite right, I was. *blushes*  My apologies @abaath:

@blenkinsopthebrave: Thanks for the video.  Looks very good, so many great actors.  Love the way KB pronounces “Hercule Poirot.” The only drawback is that we all know who done it!

Missy

 

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@countscarlioni:

Aha! Multiple choice.  How about (C) None of the above.  they could simply be different aliens.

Then again, their bosses could be Mondasian Cybermen?

I was watching Wedding of River song last night, and of course there was a pyramid in that too.

Missy

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@thane15:  *shakes head this time as well as rolling eyes*

Missy

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It could be that the Doctor agreed to an attack, just to see what the monks would do? Know your enemy – sort of thing?

As for the students wondering why he wore dark glasses suddenly, perhaps like Bill, they were too  polite to ask personal questions?

Missy

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@thane15: *scratches head and rolls eyes*

Isn’t it typical?

Thank you Puro.

Missy

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@abaath: Welcome. My goodness, you have a lot to look forward to. It will be interesting to know who your favourite Doctor is when you have seen all of them. The Unearthly Child was written by Steven Moffat, no wonder you enjoyed it. *grins*

Missy

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@janetteb: *chuckles* You too? I call my machine “Rex.”

@miapatrick: BRAVO!

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First of all, what tragic news about Steven Moffats’ Mother. That poor man! Imagine attempting to write anything when you have to sit and watch your mother die! I wasn’t aware that Peter Capaldi’s Mother had died before he became the Doctor either.

I’ve watched this episode four times now and each time I loved it more. Although it lacked some of the magic of Extremis (for me) it was still one hell of a ride.

Next I’d like to say that I agree with @pedant – 58263 – that SM doesn’t write in paragraphs, he writes in sentences. He doesn’t cross the t’s and dot the i’s, and this is what I love about him and keeps me enthralled. He never seems to waste a word. As far as I’m concerned, he doesn’t need to apologise, it wasn’t a weak episode in my eyes.

I thought that the face/head in The Pilot’s water spout, was remarkably like the Monks?

Can anyone translate what the Pope said when he found himself in Bill’s kitchen? I’d really like to know. Also, I couldn’t quite make out what Penny said in Pyramid, when the military arrived. “Is it all right if I get a new…?”

Why a Pyramid? It could be because the Pyramid has been considered a great source of power for centuries. they can actually sharpen razor blades – I  know, my OH made one and tried it. The blade was blunt, but a few days (hours?) later, it was very sharp! The item must be placed a third of the way up the Pyramid.

The Doctor’s meditation about life coming to an end (every step you get closer) seemed reminiscent of ‘Heaven Sent.’  “As you you come  into this world, something else is also born .” One wonders whether that was inspired by his mother’s death?  Of course, he might not have written that, Peter Harness shared the script.

Nardole might  have given up lecturing him about guarding the Vault, because the Universe would now know where the Doctor is.

Why was Penny so important?  Was it that they had to return to the beginning, before they were simulated?

I agree that the three leaders of the powerful armies, were a little weak. They weren’t convincing.

As for the special effects, I couldn’t find any faults with them? As for the Doctor’s glasses not being able to show the numbers on the air lock, they can only pick up shapes plus human or alien life signs.

This must be the longest post I’ve ever written – extraordinary.

Missy

 

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Still reading all your posts.  All I can say at this moment is that I enjoyed it very much.

Loved the comment  by Bill , that she wouldn’t have voted for the president – “he’s orange.”

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