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Hi @Purofilion – not sure why you’re beating yourself up over what you said – seems perfectly fine to me! Yes, I’d heard of Glenn Gould but never (bothered to) listen to him (more fool me!).
So thanks for the prompt and giving me somewhere to start (half the battle with getting into anything new, whether classical or dubstep, is where to start!)

As for “grabbing” – I can’t think of a good thing to grab, and many where it would get me slapped!

;D

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@arbutus – if you’re wearing hippie skirts then I think I may be calling you a hippyster!

And totally understand where you’re coming from in terms of the emotional resonance of Reich and Part above the intellectual response. I’d mistakenly always thought of Reich as being mainly intellectual (“Come out” was one of the first pieces of his I’d heard and I thought “that’s interesting” even while not acknowledging to myself how profoundly I was affected by it! And the Drumming music etc simply ossified that in my mind).

Seeing it/him live last year really opened my stoopidly closed mind!

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Hi @faegrl (“Whilst” is a good one – I often get “whist”! darn predictive text! 😉 )

Thanks for the Candyman clip – I hadn’t realised Glass had done the score for it!

And yes, it was Philip Glass I meant; here’s a clip of his score for a great film called Mishima (I’m sure that the film plays fast and loose with what the actual writer Mishima was really about, but as a film – visually and musically – I really enjoyed it).

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Hi @fandomcarzy and @supervannah10 – welcome!

and also as @monochromedimension said, why not pop over to the “Faces of the Doctors” thread to post something about which Doctor(s) you like, or on the “Memories” thread about why you like Doctor Who.

The other threads are kinda self explanatory (eg Companions is for memories/ thoughts on… companions!).

“Spoilers” is where anything that isn’t in the general public domain (eg rumours on Twitter, publicity shots that aren’t on the BBC yet etc) are discussed. If you want to avoid reading about stuff that’s already aired, then best to avoid those specific threads!

have fun, and dive in!

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@arbutus – he he, yes, it does feel like a ‘badge’ to have got through it! 🙂

I never had a (formal) musical education, and there wasn’t any classical music played in my childhood, so Classical is a bit of an unknown field to me.

Modern classical (well, maybe not Boulez, but Reich, Part, Glass etc) seems to be far easier (for me at least) to get into and enjoy!

I found Alex Ross almost ridiculously easy (as in pleasurable) to read, that unfortunately afterwards I’d be thinking “erm, what was that again?”. I fear I’ll have to go back several times and re-read to actually learn anything!

I’m now reading “Copendium” by Julian Cope.
The writing style is… singular, but he’s “turning me on” to some great music “man”. Currently I have Parson Sound droning on in the background (which is effing fantastic – first time I’ve heard it!). Drone is sooooooo “in” at the moment in London that it hurts – I’ll be accused of being a hipster (or “hippyster” as Cope might intone) but whaddever.

Amusingly this book was also why I was listening to Randy Holden (for the first time) when I happened to click on Wolfweed’s latest Caption Competition!

Funnily enough I was thinking of you earlier today when I walked past a (hipster) bookshop window that had a display of a dozen old books on ‘noise and music’.

bloody hipsters!

😉

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@arbutus – well, thanks. I can now say I’ve actually listened to some Boulez.

All I can say is that I’m grateful its ‘only’ a 10min clip (and yes, I made it all the way through).

I read the book “The Rest is Noise” by Alex Ross (though I wish I’d used the website I’ve linked to as it has music clips to help!). Its a great read, although I can’t remember the Boulez part.

I’m assuming the idea is to deliberately challenge/ destroy what music can be thought of as being.

I’m not sure he won that argument (with me at least! 😉 ). I love noise (I actually did like the Otomo Yoshihide I linked to before, as well as some drone I’ve been hearing recently and other stuff) but this is…. horrible.

I knew I had my limits with atonal and freeform jazz – I guess I now can add Boulez!

🙂

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@faegrl – I salute you!

What the fox was that??!!??!

;p

(btw as I live in London I know very well what the urban fox says – had them rutting in my garden for years. Let’s just say it ain’t urbane….)

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hm, not posted here before, but found this (should we be worried?*)

(*hmmm….Marvel apparently don’t have the rights to publish the comic anymore, but its a helluva tempting franchise for anyone… please keep it to the comics Stan…)

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hey @scouttheairedale – great news about the panto! well done you all (for selling out… hm, that needs to be read in context…)

🙂

btw @faegrl you mentioned elsewhere…

“Oh and a man in suspenders is just heavenly!”

Well, who am I to judge?

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hi all – broadband’s down all weekend (grrrr) so using a dodgy wifi connection.

Can I just say, I was going to say something amusing about how all the “sun” music is getting me down (due to me wanting to be somewhere sunny!) but actually those were some great pieces from everyone above!

wow @arbutus – I know the song (different version) but Ella’s voice is such an instrument! I’m thinking of where its going after 3 mins or so. and yet such control, always in the service of the song rather than just showing off.

and @faegrl – some absolute crackers in there! I haven’t heard Aquarius for a long time! but “sunshine lollipops and rainbows”!!!! that’s the best 3mins of music I’ve heard in ages! and followed by something glorious like Rezonate (not a band/artist I’ve heard of). And great to know ‘dubstep’ isn’t just gloomy (though I liked) stuff like the Burial I’ve heard.

As a ping-pong I’d love to find something suitable but need to hear it again (and wifi letting me down!). But thanks again for great choons!

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@thekrynoidman – John* Duttine??!!? I remember that!

I should head over to the TV Shows thread to post something about To Serve Them All My Days but all I can remember is a complete feeling of crushing sorrow/ yearning/ ache/ regret that that programme gave me.

It was brilliant, but all I remember is the feeling, like a musty ‘back-of-an-old-wardrobe-full-of-a-elderly-person’s-clothes’ smell or a sodden enveloping weight.

I wish I had clearer memories (I think that about a lot of my life, but at least I can blame the later lack on alcohol).

(* I misremembered as “Paul” so thanks Google for saving my blushes. oops)

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ha ha – thanks @arbutus and @scouttheairedale – yep, the trip to somewhere sunny and exotic was scuppered by booking ‘late’ (though for me I thought it was ages as it was 2 weeks ago! Seems Cuba has a different timeframe).

However, I’m lucky I can go on a holiday to some far clime, so will try somewhere else in a couple of weeks (after the school holiday hike in prices goes down). Others don’t have that luxury, so I shouldn’t grumble.

You’re all choosing more uplifting songs, but I will post something else which is tenderly romantic on this windy valentine’s*:

(* and no, I’m not even tempted to look for anything rain-related by My Bloody Valentine! I’m looking for uplifting after all the great posts above!)

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btw – @purofilion – apologies, missed your post in the deluge of links above, but loved Skubas.
Lovely folky feel.

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ha ha – Hi @ScouttheAiredale – yes of course I remember you and your brother and of course I listened to Billie!

There’s plenty of Madonna-lite/ pre-teen/ ‘party-Spice Girls’ songs, but it gets (even) better with the later tracks which are more like slow grooves (I Dream and Honey to the B which are ‘actually not bad’).

Haven’t posted any only because they haven’t fitted any topic (yet)!

Only shock is when the last song then becomes ‘Greetings to the New Brunette’ on my iTunes (Billie to Billy).
I mean, I was thinking blonde…

Now, will you be able to remember all that or will you need to get your mum on?

and take care of your brother, and keep enjoying the cheese [he types as Billie plays in the background]

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btw – Phase mentioned on one of the threads (when asking for potential Mods to raise their hands), that beginning of this year was going to get busy for him, so probably why he hasn’t been around.

[still searching for some upbeat ‘rain’ music…. Waits? Dylan, Yorke, Cure, Sonic Youth nah… jeez some of this is (unsurprisingly?) grim.

Funny how “rain” seems to inspire that in songwriters…. you all may have already nabbed all the happy rain songs!]

😉

[carries on looking through his iTunes….]

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well, well, loads of great stuff here!

And so much of it upbeat! (and loved most but @faegrl its never butting in or a private conversation here and if you’re gonna post music like that, then come back often – I loved it!)

Will try to be upbeat about all this weather and the fact that my planned holiday has been scuppered this afternoon (my ‘late booking’ was being almost confirmed until this afternoon – and I was due to fly tomorrow morning!).

sigh.

hey ho, it’s valentine’s so here’s a ‘rain song’ for all you lovers out there…

(seems it has to be a live version as the record version has been pulled from YT!)

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Hi @arbutus – yes, that ‘Mornington Crescent’ is a bit of a weird one for someone who’s never heard it before!
For anyone unfamiliar, its a game within a panel-gameshow on BBC Radio 4.
The gameshow (“I’m Sorry I Haven’t a Clue”) is very long-running and that’s part of its ‘charm’ (it creaks, the gags are prehistoric, and that’s kinda the fusty point).

The whole show is pretty nonsensical but Mornington Crescent is specifically absurd(ist) in that it has no rules. The performers ad-lib their way through it as if it was strictly rule-bound. The creation of tension, “oh, good move..” “You can’t do that!” “Masbricht Manoeuvre dear chap..” etc is part of the humour.

The sat-nav is a gag in this episode, in that they’re trying desperately to be ‘modern’ which in the context is a gag in itself. btw I don’t listen to ISIHAC often but feels appropriate after watching Quatermass! (the whole “am I in 1950’s England?” vibe!).

🙂

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@faegrl – good work!!

Excellent song (not heard it before) and fits so well with Ten its kinda spooky!
It wouldn’t work nearly as well with the others I don’t think, its got the right amount of… erm… ego and “me me me!” about it.

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Welcome @thujone – so much to agree with you about!

The pentacles…. well, I did a bit of googling (as you do) and couldn’t find anything cabbalistic (as you rightly say), so I wonder if the designer was more influenced by the design of the craft itself, with its circles, circular doors etc.

The 5 overlapping circles create a 5-pointed design (‘star’) of ovals.
Which looks more like a Flower of Life, or indeed a Seed of Life? (won’t risk embedding that as it looks like a svg file and the interwebs might explode).

Completely agree as to Andre Morrel – I too thought the cheese sandwich look was perfect. For me he hits the right notes of frustration and anger with Breen – I think he’s brilliant quite frankly.

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@arbutus – wow. Oh Radiant Dawn. That’s absolutely gorgeous!

Wow. What with Hurry Sundown and this we could travers a day in music (now there’s an idea…!)

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Am I dreamin’? No I’m not – its California Dreamin’ and Puro embedded a

video!!

Yay – go Team Filion!

😉

Tenuous links to DW? Tenuous?? Wooten-to-Lake Effect-to-Lake Silencio is worthy of Mornington Crescent! [btw this is rather a rather funny episode but far funnier if you’ve heard the game before…]

Now, I’ll admit sometimes I’m a bit dubious about wibbling jazzy instrumentalists, but this is very very good (just as long as I don’t look at him and simply concentrate on the music!)

😉

But honestly, really like how this develops.

Keep ’em coming!

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Hi @faegrl – welcome and y’know, ‘flaming’ doesn’t really work here (on this forum) at all.

We’re too polite.

So erm, go on, say the Fourth Doctor was a ham, or the Tenth a bit too glib or the Eleventh a bit too zany… as long as you say why then people here will engage.

When people just say “I don’t like x and therefore don’t like you” well, that’d be like me saying I don’t like anyone who likes Coldplay.

And some of my best friends here like Coldplay, so… hm.

maybe we should flame people.

😉

as I say, welcome, and feel free to say whatever you like!

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oh, and I feel that Breen is softening slightly. He’s a career soldier, he cannot allow himself (or others) to seem ‘weak’ and cannot allow for scientists to be right (if that means military is ‘wrong’). So although what could be a pretty obvious cardboard character ‘opposite’ of Quatermass, I feel that he’s mellowing toward the scientists week by week. Still, not someone I’d have got on with(!) but just saying on first viewing I feel he’s developing as a character (and a character that’s meant to be opposite to the ‘hero’).

now, on to episode 4 (luckily no storm outside!)

[doh! I think I was wrong – there are five circles methinks – I was looking at the intersection ‘points’ as I’m used to star pentacles made from triangles]

[when i say “used o seeing” I mean that in a “iwatchtvandfilms” way not “iusuallysummondemonsthatway way]

80

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ye-gods – I loved this episode!

Although probably a ‘between’ episode in terms of storyline (I haven’t seen this before but guess there’s a discover-reveal-denouement to it all with this being a protracted ‘reveal’) I really liked almost everything about this one.

Bluesqueakpip – I could have sworn I saw a trick shot where they threw the photos at the newshound. Surely the camera couldn’t swing that fast and true?!?

Also Blue – I’ll have to sneak ahead as I’m away from next week for about 3 weeks (holiday finally!) so will watch and make notes and then post when I’m back. I’ll be “off the grid” so can’t post in-time. Makes me remember what it was like before video recorders!

and ok, I’ve now stopped feeling smug about the “Hob’s” spot, but I recognised the word (hobgoblin and other weird places) and it was so obvious at the start with the camera lingering on the double street name (which for those outside of UK is quite common still in old parts of London).

btw – Roney says “pentacles” but what I could see weren’t pentacles at all.
They’re instead circles and 8 sided (not 5).

Funnily enough they look… Gallifreyan!

😯

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hmm, less gallivanting and more seriousness. With a cheeky companion in tow.

Is that what I want…? I guess… maybe….. but…

I’m a child of the Fourth (rather than the Third), and so I love my cheeky/ childish/ thrill-seeking and serious-when-it-matters, but most of all I’m happy to see change

its the only constant!

😉

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@monochromedimension – I’m not sure how this Quatermass compares to the movie you saw, but I’d love to hear your views on it.

Why? Well, you love the b&w Who, and (yet?) you grew up with sparkly technicolour TV with lots of money/ sets/ costumes/ rehearsals/ pre-recording etc (even more so than a slightly older me!).

So it’d be interesting to hear whether its that you find it dull (as there’s no Dr) or intriguing or amazing in that did or didn’t do things Who did a few years later.

But no pressure – I’ve still got to reply to Phaseshift about Sandman (one day, one day…) for similar reasons.

😉

Btw there were a few Quatermass films so you may have seen another one (I only say this as I wasn’t sure if I’d seen this one and have a memory of what I’m sure is a film, but it wasn’t this).

And with Bluesqueakpip’s tantalising mention of the next eerie episode (bad Bluesqueakpip for watching ahead!!) it does seem that this is a really classic bit of TV.

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@arbutus – The Cat Empire – not come across them before. Quite a reggae/ dub/ska feel (which I like!). Nice early-party feel – thanks for this!

@purofilion – I really liked that Scala version of Coldplay (my god, I had nice words to say about Coldplay!).
I couldn’t figure out their accent, so Googled them (they’re Belgian).
And totally agree about appropriate clothes – I want to listen to them not see fishnets. When I want to see fishnets, I probably ain’t thinking of listening to choirs… 😉

anyway…..[cough] when I googled them I found this:

As you say Puro, lovely diction – especially around “sooo fuck-ing special” and “what the hel-lll am i do-ing heere?”
(staggering that I don’t think anyone has posted any Radiohead on this thread before! he he).

Then saw this in the right hand bar – their cover of the Damien Rice track The Blower’s Daughter (its all connected….)

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ah, @arbutus – I would listen to that, but I need to sleep now and that’s a tad stimulating. And I’m trying to calm down after Puro’s last post!

methinks something more…… like this.

(which reminds me of how a radio station here called Resonance FM would play ‘live’ sounds from the Aus bush when they went off air around 2am. Many a night I went to sleep with the sound of cicadas chirrupping!).

n’night.

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@arbutus – completely agree about the scene where he walks into the haunted house. Was it in one seamless transition from the outside shot (usually I wouldn’t think that, but @bluepipsqueak ‘s making me think that due to the ‘live’ aspect). The silence as he kicks a bottle as he walks draws the ear (and the rest of my attention even further) in.

And I really agree with your observation about scores and film-makers’ fears of not using music to tell us what to think and possibly why more recent ‘verite’ type cinema is so affecting (eg Blair Witch, 2010 with its breathing in the suit during the spacewalk etc). (if my brain were firing properly and not wanting to sleep I’d probably remember something else!).

really enjoyed this episode and (yay me) “Hob’s Lane”. Ghosts and sprites I tells ye – aiiiieeee!!

😮

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Hi @purofilion – thanks for that! But I do have to make sure my prejudices don’t hold me back!

if its early you should try the Little Richard – better than coffee!

🙂

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ah @arbutus – thanks. I kinda prefer Reich too, but it was the emotional power of his work that hit me when hearing it live. I just hadn’t heard it like that before.
I should hear things on their own merit and I’d kinda compartmentalised them both (as I do with so much music) and that’s why I was an eejit!

😉

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Hi @Purofilion – yes Steve Reich. He played several pieces with the Colin Currie group. To be honest I hadn’t realised what a treat this was going to be – my mate bought the tickets about a year in advance!

My naive take on Reich and Glass was that Glass did the ’emotional’ stuff (with certain tricks to tug at the heart) and Reich the more ‘rigorous intellectual’ stuff, exploring rhythms and patterns.

I’m an idiot.

Instead what I learned was that the Reich pieces are incredibly emotive, soaring and affecting. They were also full of humour rather than any po-faced ‘intellectualism’.

“Come Out” was the piece that made me sit up and listen to Reich in the first place (heard it many years ago on a great radio show called Mixing It) but live was something else. I was forced to concentrate more but also hear it in a different, warmer space.
Music for 18 Musicians was incredible – I actually could get a sense how the piece fits together.

The whole programme was excellent – it started with Clapping and gently eased (me at least) into ‘hearing’ the music (rather than launch straight into Music for…).

oops – waffling – sorry!

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The scene I want to see?

The Doctor and Clara on their first adventure meeting some humans. The humans introduce themselves:

“Hello, I am Paul and you are..?”

“I’m the Doctor”

“and this is your…. grand daughter?”

“No!” [shocked]

“A-apologies, your.. daughter??”

“No! erm this is my…. my companion Clara”

“Companion? oh, of course…”

all the while Clara is busy trying to interject but not knowing what to say.

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@fatmaninabox – you naughty man you.

I wasn’t into Northern Soul (knowingly) either, but picked up a CD years ago simply because it:

a) was by Little Richard (someone I always think I should hear more of)
b) was £3
c) had a sticker saying it had numerous “Northern Soul classics”

That album was “The Explosive Little Richard” and that link isn’t the full album but a great list on YT (click for some great Northern Soul dance music!).

An amazing track is “Well (well all right)” but this particular YT is a bit ‘muddy’ (shame as this is the track that has me so effing wired at 11.30 at night!! how the hell will I sleep now!??!)

So, instead (and perhaps to make me sleepy) I’ll post the track that I loved straight away from the CD (which apparently wasn’t on the original album but whaddever).

Now, if its morning I URGE you to go to the album link above and wake the hell up. Below is not a dance track, but very emotional in another way entirely.

fucking awesome.

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evenin’ all.

so much going on! I’m now slightly wired though I wanted an early night (my next post will explain). I’m all jiggy (as the kidz say – I think).

@arbutus – yes Officium. Actually I was lucky enough to see them do this in London (mainly as a friend of mine is good at alerting me to live stuff – we saw Reich at end of last year and it was awesome!).

Thanks for posting though as I’d not listened to it in a long time as I’d gone off it. but hearing it again makes me want to put the album on again!

(and maybe it will calm me down as I’ve been listening to….)

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@fatmaninabox – thanks for that! One of the least sweaty disco videos I’ve ever seen!

I’ll admit I was put off by your description of it not having any crotch grabbing or butt thrusting, but I still gave it a go.

I’m a soldier me.

😉

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@marionziemke and @arbutus

doh! “Metric” of course!

No idea where I got “Mimic” from (a quick google for ‘Mimic’ as a band name is for something so competently pub-rock that I can’t even bother linking!).

Thank goodness that if it was a Freudian slip, then nothing more indiscreet came through!

8¬o

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@wolfweed @fatmaninabox

aaaiiieeeeee!!

Meeping Angels!

Brilliant!

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@arbutus – great lyrical match for that track by Mimic!

Not come across them before but a great match for Martha:

“They were right when they said
We were breathing underwater
Out of place all the time
In a world that wasn’t mine to take

I’ll wait
Is this my life?
Am I breathing underwater?”

(phew – a new page – that last one was getting tricky to load on my crappy wifi!)

New choons needed!

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btw – @fatmaninabox – not sure about anyone else but I was ‘air drumming’ furiously during Dead Souls. As Arbutus said – wakes you up!

🙂

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ha ha – don’t worry @arbutus or @Purofilion – this thread has been idle for weeks while the show is on, so reports of its death are exaggerated!
(tbh I was only having a giggle at the expense of Eno! 🙂 ).

And I agree – its great when people start posting things you haven’t come across before or for a long time!

And for anyone thinking “can I join in?” then yes!
For inspiration we’re looking for songs that suit the Doctor, complement a Companion or explain an Episode.

Also a bit of ‘radio ping pong’ happens where people respond to music other people have posted with something that it brings to mind.

Its also been known for people to post music that is just sparked by stuff in the news.

Now, all this sometimes, just sometimes, means that choons creep in which have nothing to do with Who (I know, its shocking – you won’t catch me doing that!).

[ahem!]

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Well, there’s been a load of great wants and wishes for the New Doctor over on that thread.

Someone slightly darker, slightly edgier, similar to what he was before, alien yet human(istic).

Obviously(?!) what sprang to mind was John Peel’s quote “always different, always the same”.

So, I give you

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[blimey – if that Eno piece can stop a thread in its tracks, what will it do to kids??]

[ahem]

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ha ha @jimthefish – yeah, that film screams “quality”!

I guess…..

;¬)

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Hi @jimthefish – not to disinter a now dead conversation from the crypt…. but I wonder if your memory is of Ian Ogilvy rather than David McCallum…?

Came across Matthew Sweet talking about Amicus films on the radio and they mention this – “… and now the screaming starts!”

AAAAAaaaaiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8¬0

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btw, for some perhaps, the fact that the Pit is in Hob’s/ Hobb’s Lane may add to the sense of eeriness and set the scene alongside the music.

The fact that the camera lingered there at the beginning, had the double signage showing how old the lane was and the word “hob” that I dimly knew to something about the sprites/ devil etc.

mind you, may have just been me reading too much into it but this is the DWF so forgive me.

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‘Morning’ Purofilion – glad you like dthe Yma (though you didn’t actually say you liked her…. hmmm…)

;¬)

I’ve heard about classical music being used to calm kids down/ increase their intellect(??) so how about playing this tomorrow?

I mean, it is Thursday tomorrow isn’t it?

Now, not saying this is the best Eno ambient track I know, and to be honest only came across it a year or so ago. However… its Thursday so I was hardly going to mention Music for Airports.

I’d only do that if @blenkinsopthebrave had been on here….

😉

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he he – you’re right @arbutus, but then again 4 is a one-of-a-kind Doctor.

I mean if he’s ‘your’ Doctor, then quite frankly he can trump all theories!

Baker’s mine as well, though I like Tennant and Smith, but can’t tell if I remember Pertwee properly. (can anyone remember things when you’re only 3 1/2?)

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he he – morning @arbutus!

Glad you liked Yma! I couldn’t resist putting quite a few links in that post, as I was scouring around for appropriate examples (something with enough of her vocal range!).

🙂

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ah @fatmaninabox – Incas!! Wonderful! Its hard not to listen to that and smile even if due to over-familiarity but it is great!

And it reminded me of something… a bit bonkers.

This is Yma Sumac and the myth around her is probably more interesting than any ‘truth’.
Becoming famous in America from the 40’s through the 50’s, was she an Incan Princess – a direct descendant of Atahualpa? Was she a Peruvian soprano or a Brooklyn housewife called Amy Camus?

Described as being “female baritone, through lyric soprano, to high coloratura” (click for a great example called Malaya).

I’ve tried finding something catchy and accessible enough but that has enough of her voice and this is what I’ve come up with to embed:

Here’s another really tight funky Mambo – and crazy vocalisations

I don’t normally post two videos in a reply, but this was my first introduction to her, and the video seems to fit after the Incas! (though she doesn’t sing much!)

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