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Hi @shultze101 – welcome and what a marvellous first post!

Really interesting that you liked Ten as your “My Doctor” even though you loved Nine.

A long while back, some of the Mods (was it @phaseshift ?) and @craig wondered how a Poll might help or hinder this Forum. Basically thoughtful long-form posts (like yours) are what makes this place special (as well as the civility, agreeable disagreements etc).

But I wonder if a poll open to all might be interesting – “Is ‘your’ Doctor the Doctor after your first Regeneration?”
On a thread before, someone mentioned it as a theory and your great post has reminded me of it – a Poll is (possibly) an interesting way to explore it as a theory.

Anyway, as I say, lovely first post and you really should give Matt Smith a go – personally he really grew into one of my favourite ever Doctors (and similar thoughts held by people here who can remember quite a few!).

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aw @scouttheairedale – of course I remember you! How could I forget??!?

Really sorry to hear about your brother.

I’ll take a look at the stars tonight and think about you and your brother.
Maybe Mum will tell you how looking at the stars can be a good way to find some quiet and remember loved ones.

Like the fatman – sending you all big hugs (and I do very very big hugs).

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Pete Seeger passed away today, aged 94.

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@Purofilion – ah, don’t you worry about me, I’m very content, but thanks for the kind words.

Nah, I’m just a big romantic softy and that’s just an exquisite love song (though lyrically its not necessarily a lover’s song, but equally appropriate for a parent or sibling).

and I’ll forgo anything “bonkers” tonight as we have the purity of Arbutus’ polyphony. Maybe tomorrow!

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ahhh, @arbutus – that’s lovely – I love polyphony (but know little about it).

Will have to try listening without it ‘just’ being on while I’m reading. Makes me want to dive into whatever I’ve got on my hard drive (I used to have more on tape but that’s long gone so… erm….. just got The Sixteen – guessing you’ve heard of them. Just before bed methinks!)

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neckties?

All I’m saying is that I called bootlace ties ages ago (maybe on the Guardian though) and then someone goes and finds this.

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ooh @arbutus – I’d definitely rate Elbow over Coldplay. You can start anywhere really (perhaps here but not necessarily), its all pretty good. Puncture repair is just more tender than most.

This track was played at the closing ceremony of the London Olympics. Although the lyrics were obviously written before, and for something/ someone else, when transposed to singing to the majority of Olympians who didn’t win, I must admit I still cry.

You’re a law unto yourself
And we don’t suffer dreamers
But neither should you walk the earth alone

So with finger rolls and folding chairs
And a volley of streamers
We can be there for tweaks and repairs
Should you come back home

We got open arms for broken hearts
Like yours my boy, come home again…

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@fatmaninabox – yeah, I know, I must’ve been thinking of you when I put in the link!

That Bohemian Rhapsody is awesome – thank you

(but will I be dreaming of mahna manama..? ah wel, could be worse things!)

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head-butt @bluesqueakpip?

I think I’d be more fearful of either the cut-throat razor or bike chain under the collar…

but of course, the Doctor doesn’t fight…. (so do we think Ray Winstone may be the new male Companion??)

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oh and @arbutus I LOVE the cow osng and chicken songs!

and you even had a chicken song without resorting to the Muppets!

Well done you (as you can see, I couldn’t!)

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@arbutus – ah, coldplay. I’ll admit that I have a problem with Coldplay and that problem is mainly Elbow.

Elbow do what Coldplay do, but so so so much better. I just trust Guy’s singing more than Chris’.

I don’t have a favourite Elbow song, but a song about ‘leaders’ reminds me of course of Leaders of the Free world.

However, for under 2 mins, this is one of the sweetest, most tender songs I’ve ever heard.

I wish I was in love with someone I could sing it to.

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he he @Purofilion – yeah, sorry, that noise needed a health warning. I had to listen to a few YT videos even to get that one!
But I do love something done very very well, and he really does control the noise well. Its also the ‘most’ of a thing done well that you could want (if that makes sense).

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he he – Crombie, DMs…. Teddy Boy or Mod?

either way, monsters are in fer sum bovver

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Just wanted to say thanks for all the social background! Honestly, it adds to my enjoyment of this!

Not seen QatP before in either film or TV versions (or at least I don’t think so). I have seen a Quatermass before (can’t describe it without giving it way) but don’t think it was this.

Yes, its slow which will be even more glaring when I turn on the TV and watch something now, but enjoyable!

And now I have to wait a week???

how archaic!

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@scaryb – you’re back! and you brought us Monkeys vs Donkeys! Well whatever would we have done without hearing that!
Remarkably it made me think of something to share (though no one will thank me).

Ok, to set the scene – back in mid-90’s I went along to an “Arts event” in London that I knew nothing about except that Otomo Yoshihide would be there and that there was a promise of free booze. I only knew of him in that he was in or connected to the Boredoms, and only that the Boredoms did some ‘weird shit’ that I’d vaguely caught at a mate’s place. Also I was very poor and it was free and did I mention the promise of free booze?

So, erm, I didn’t have many preconceptions. Needless to say, even if I had, they were about to be ‘challenged’.
So its an ‘arts’ space (very bare), lots of pretentious twits in black rollnecks (me included), general chin-stroking and a feeling of “When will it start? Has whatever’s meant to happen already happened? Will I get kicked out for not being cool? Is it really just one free beer? Where can I get more?”.

This isn’t the event (I doubt it was recorded) but its as close as I can find and does show his genuine skill in producing the noise.
Imagine something similar, but with a rather dull classical piece of music with pompous horns being dropped in every minute or so only to be destroyed by very loud aggressive scratching!

I hadn’t come across anything like it before and so was boggled but really enjoyed it! Wearing the classical LP cover on his head was kinda the icing on the cake. He was obviously enjoying himself and ignoring us pretentious eejits and I laughed my head off. Glorious noise.
I stood there grinning from ear to (splitting) ear!

“Bonkers” hardly does it justice.

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@serahni – wow certainly dramatic story-based songs!
Nothing springs to mind in that emotionally wrought style, but will give it a think…!

and yep – that last one got me up – thanks!

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ah @fatmaninabox – of course bonzo……..

and I’m so glad you gave us stuff which wasn’t the usual (but brilliant( Canyons of your mind )

loving Jollity Farm btw!

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oh – btw @arbutus, when I say “harp” I mean harmonica.

[slightly embarrassed smiley]

I play it very very poorly (mainly as I play it very very rarely! though that’s appreciated by the neighbours!)

And thinking of the neighbours, can you imagine someone playing harp listening to this on headphones so all the neighbours hear is the odd parp and fart from me??!?!??

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ah @arbutus and @purofilion – in terms of linking its something lots of people have had problems with and the forum has tried to explain it on the Help page. Could I ask a favour? Could you see if that helps in making links?

If it doesn’t then its because it isn’t written clearly enough and that means other people are also being prevented from posting.

If its unclear I’ll try writing something in a post to you and if that helps then a Mod can perhaps update the Help page and help others!

we want your links! (including that elusive Kraftewerk link!)

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btw @purofilion – my knowledge of music is thin. Really thin.

I love this thread for expanding my knowledge of music and bands and making me reappraise bands. “rubato – stealing time!” – I’ve now listened to some Chopin but not sure if I’m hearing it but the comments on YT are instructive! “too much rubato!” “Chopin hated rubato!” “ah beautiful rubato -= exactly as Chopin wanted” – all on the same clip!

On which note – @thekrynoidman – I’ll admit I know of the Yard Birds but don’t really know their stuff but I can’t think why their work would be devalued. If anything I’d think that the kids today would be scouring past bands for worth and inspiration (especially if they were thought to be marginalised…. “oh no one understands how great [band x] were but I do..”

I mean, thats what I was like at least!

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ah @arbutus – I missed your post as I was (slowly!) typing!

Good luck with Trout Mask… I’ve still not done it in one sitting!

But love Devo! Well, some Devo! aw, I’m relying on Best Ofs I’m afraid!

As for moshing… well, I’m 42 but I did a bit of very ‘gentle’ moshing back in the day. Me – I never had a bad experience. I basically kept a wide stance with my legs – that’ll keep you up and swerving enough for people to bounce off! And I have a very very fond memory of pogo-ing with a very short guy (I’m 6 foot but he was barely 5 though stocky) to the Wedding Present.

whaddymeanyouneverheardofthem??!!??

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ah @purofilion – I’d like to give you a big hug and say “stop worrying!”

Though not in a cravat-wearing-way. [ahem]
Just…. this is the great thing about meeting new people. You have sooooo much you can tell me about music and stuff. For goodness sake you played Music for a Found Harmonium for fun!!

Captain Beefheart is someone who made some very very fine music. But its never easy to pick out those tracks! This one is something that I love (as I try to play harp, though I can’t do anything like this), but perhaps it highlights his traditional Howling Wolf-like blues singing and playing with its own unusual rhythm. Its basically free jazz and blues. But I must admit I can’t listen to free jazz (hence why I’ve never got far with Trout Mask Replica) but his experimentation leads to wonderful things like this.

gotta love the Captain!

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@arbutus – that Amestoy Trio track is great isn’t it? And (unfortunately) better than other stuff I’ve heard from them (it was on a compilation of ‘world music’ or somesuch but seems like a well chosen highlight from them!)

and psychobilly – oh you MUST you must. And was it Puro who said she liked the audience.. well, there’ll be some moshing going on there I reckon!

Now, as for “bonkers” I’m actually trying to listen to “Trout Mask Replica” again and failing.

perhaps the most “bonkers” thing in my collection but I went ‘back’ to it because of the story about how it was recorded. Apparently Beefheart took the whole group up to a house, kept them there in an almost cult-like state to play and rehearse the music so that when they finally went into the studio they were so well honed they laid it all down in a couple of takes.

“The group rehearsed Van Vliet’s difficult compositions for eight months, living communally in a small rented house in the Woodland Hills suburb of Los Angeles. Van Vliet implemented his vision by asserting complete artistic and emotional domination of his musicians. At various times one or another of the group members was put “in the barrel”, with Van Vliet berating him continually, sometimes for days, until the musician collapsed in tears or in total submission to Van Vliet.[4]

According to John French and Bill Harkleroad these sessions often included physical violence.

French described the situation as “cultlike”[5] and a visiting friend said “the environment in that house was positively Manson-esque.”[6]

Their material circumstances also were dire. With no income other than welfare and contributions from relatives, the group survived on a bare subsistence diet. French recounted living on no more than a small cup of soybeans a day for a month[7] and at one point band members were arrested for shoplifting food (with Zappa bailing them out).”
wikipedia

So “bonkers” is what I think when I think of that album and I’ve still never listened to all 28 tracks in one sitting!

what – you want me to post one of those tracks?????!!!!??? well, if I did it would have to be one of the first ones as I’ve never got past track 14 in one sitting…. but its not representative as the others are so effing challenging!

8)

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@purofilion – why would Ten(ant) not have a guitar?

🙂

though actually I’m sure Capaldoc was in a band* many many moons ago.

*warning – this is not very good. At all. Honestly. Really.

Not at all.

Honestly – he’s better at drawing.

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@arbutus – after reading this

“a marvelous ensemble consisting of banjo, drums, accordion, tuba, trombone”

I have had a rather big grin on my face all day wanting to hear it!!

Fantastically it was not what I imagined!!

I had thought to reply with ‘have you heard this which has tuba on it (on something I hadn’t imagined would have tuba)?

But then when I heard the song you’d posted and my immediate thought was “oh wow – Reverend Horton Heat” which I know its not but…. a tad psychobilly?
Not necessarily their best track but not bad… (and the name of the track is of a great other band which is so not psychobilly that it almost hurts!)

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Hi @purofilion – erm, well a little creepy but luckily we’re all friends here so you dream about whatever you fancy!

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(but where you’re getting cravats and shiny coat tails from I’m not entirely sure – spoilers on the new Dr’s outfit??)

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erm, ‘sweet’ dreams…..

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“morning” @purofilion (well, its morning for me!)
To be honest, I’d not heard the term before either so did a search and found this definition.

To be honest coloriot may have meant something totally different (and if so I’m sorry coloriot!) but it did sound interesting that Who may have (or at least may seem to have) more female fans than male.

And there are plenty of female fans on this forum, so its not completely unlikely that it might seem to have mainly female fans, even though there are just as many male ones.

But lets both hope there isn’t another definition that we’re unaware of!

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Hi @coloriot – well that’s an introduction and a half!

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Feel free to talk about how you got into Who on the Memories thread or your favourite Who, and if you make music then head over to the Music thread and just dive in with whatever! and really, whatever you fancy!

btw – do you really think of Who as a ‘girl’ (“brony”) thing? Fine if you do, and maybe that’ll be something you’ll be telling us on how you got into Who on the Memories thread!

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blimey! – so much to catch up on!

@purofilion – he he, yes I thought of Perpetuum Mobile – a live version is behind the link on my earlier post when I said “…its about time”.
You’ll have to get used to my terrible puns!

🙂

Hope you had a good sleep and feeling better today (and love the fact you played this as well!).

Now, to listen to these choons!

( @arbutus – i’m not sure “bonkers favourite bands” will spark anything, so even if its a band with a bonkers history or even a bonkers theory as to what a track means, who knows, Who knows…?)

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oops – just re-read my reply to @arbutus and realise that i edited out my bit about loving how you found a song called “Parallel Time” which includes a harpsichord! I wibbled on about it and re-wrote whatever it was, but then realise it never made it.

Personally I blame my distraction with the footy. Won’t happen again

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hey @fatmaninabox – a brilliant Companion song!

“…My body may die but my heart will keep loving you baby
Oh, our love will survive the passing of time…”

(weird lyrics for the TV show though! But great to hear a bit of Jarvis again – will have to relisten on something better than crappy PC speakers!)

And @thekrynoidman (puro – no gaps!) feel free to post something even if (perhaps especially if) no one likes them!
Now, the Yardbirds are hardly a bonkers choice, there’ll be plenty of love for them around here (though maybe we should start a “I’ve a bonkers favourite band…”)

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following (and frankly not-quite-following) all this is fun!

Based solely on the posts here (without, y’know, re-watching the episodes and giving it any deeper thought…..)

@arbutus – when you describe something helping the Doctor and Wilf along the timelines, if you were to replace the word “Moment” with “Clara” then it would also make sense…
(Claricle helps Claricle find Dr; Claricle helps Wilf help Dr). Its almost as if Clara is an entity of vortex energy that has aspects of Clara, Moment and Bad Wolf…)

oh, and now I’ve mentioned something that might appeal to the three-in-one aspect of so many different mystical myths.

oops.

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and @fatmaninabox – I love the Donna theory! oh I’m sure there are people here who could get her to Gallifrey in bonkers-seconds flat!

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he he @arbutus – and there was me waiting for them to kick in with the DW theme…

;¬)

Well, I can’t pong with any harpsichord (at least nothing springs to mind) but the guitar playing does remind me of Fripp (although it also reminded me of Ed Alleyn Johnson from @phaseshift ‘s very first music post on this thread!).

So, because the stars mean so very very much to this forum, I’ll have to go with this one.

However if I think of any harpsichord during the footy (whaddyameani’mnotalwaysthinkingofwho?) then I’ll jot it down.

enjoy (at night methinks)!

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@marionziemke – welcome and might I say what a fine avatar!

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Hi @arbutus – I LOVE that you could improvise jazz and blues riffs underneath the other players on harpsichord! And don’t tell me that’s not exactly what was happening! My imagination is lit and I WANT to hear someone doing that!

In fact, though it isn’t a harpsichord, and isn’t jazz or blues, and is only slightly minimalist (if you squint with your ears and remember how dilettante I am) I thought I’d share this.

It doesn’t even have a Who connection.

But it IS Friday, and something I haven’t heard in far far too long… so hopefully raise a smile for you and Puro (and anyone else!).

🙂

and as you say isn’t YT fantastic – I’ve now just seen this in the sidebar!

and ah, what the hell, to keep this post vaguely Who-related this is about Time

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Hi @javakate and welcome!!

Wow – I see you’re a fan of several Doctors including Colin Baker!

Well no one will hold it against you I promise, but head over to the Face of the Doctor thread and stand up for him (he gets a bit of a hard ride from some – especially anyone who lived through the inimitable Tom Baker!)

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Hi @arbutus – yep, spot on that’s the David James version from Triodion.

You play(ed) Hammond???!!??

[doffs cap, bends knee, puts palms on the floor and salutes, though admits its an awkward position to salute from]

and then nonchalantly says that you then had to play harpsichord…

That’s a ‘win’.

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Thanks for the Dave Grusin – not heard of him before and enjoyed it. As you say its “flawless” and on reflection its noticeable how much of the music I have (from whatever genre) have quite a lot of imperfections about them.

I’ve been trying to think of a ping-pong but don’t want to go the 2 Many DJs route suggested by Gunn or even the smooth Bags and Trane route (though it is a bit Mancini-esque at the beginning), so instead will pong with a choon that is within the last 5 years (yay my quota) and is also my (failed) attempt to say well done to everyone on Who who got the Best Drama award – I’m Happy for You!

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Thanks for that @thommck – I’ve now just wasted 2 hours on Buzzfeed!!

grrrrr buzzfeed with its amusing posts and uplifting-making-me-moist-eyed entries.

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@purofilion In terms of the music – I actually first came across Oliver Nelson as an arranger (I’m one of those sad buggers who reads liner notes!).

It was on this amazing Jimmy Smith track as well as Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf (a version I can’t find on YT!) both on a cheap ‘best of’. As you say the shiny brass is just so clear as well as the driving percussion.

His work on Jimmy Smith’s Peter and the Wolf is also incredible (as is Smith), though easier for me than friends of mine who came to the album with ‘baggage’ (they knew it as a “kid’s piece” to teach Classical music – I grew up without any classical music and in fact its still my blind spot, I only seem to make time for modern classical).

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Hi @purofilion – really sorry to hear about you having to get an ambulance! Hope you’re feeling a bit better today (going back into work?).

A friend of mine suffered from Crohn’s several years ago and was quite debilitated. Was laid up for months and lost a lot of weight (about 6 stone). He’s put it all back on now to his ‘normal’ overweight self and suffers far far less. But you have my sympathies – hope treatment has improved since he had his major attack several years ago!

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bugger – Who won Best Drama!

[grrrrrrr…. also I now realise I have loads of tunes I could’ve used for Matt…..]

(this may take a while…)

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well – Congratulations Matt Smith! for “Best Drama Performance”.

Now, I’ve kinda shot my bolt with this choon as its absolutely delicious.

If Who wins anything else then I’m out of options (and any smart wag with a Cliff Richards link will be exterminated!)

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@purofilion and @arbutus

Please feel very very free to chat about any and all of that. I’m no mod but I won’t stop you!

😉

I’ve not studied music in any form, and I know that the below isn’t strictly minimal(?) or medieval, but emotionally it seems to resonate with me in a similar way. Happy to be told otherwise!

And just to emphasise how this couldn’t possibly be thought of as crow-barring a wonderful piece of music onto a Who forum [ahem] here is another in the series of “choons inspired by Companions”.

Yes, this time its Jamie McCrimmon, the Highlander.

(I’ve deliberately chosen this version – not for the slightly odd photos, but for the singer as this was the first version I heard and its how I ‘expect’ it. A possibly more known version is by Else Torp).

Hope this is a nice way to return after work Puro!

;¬)

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Hi @purofilion – that interview sounds interesting (but a tad hard to find on YT just based on your tantalising clues!).

Something I noticed is on again tomorrow night on UK TV (and so a bit irrelevant to so many of the people here!) is the LCD Soundsystem concert film
Shut up and Play the Hits – Wednesday Film 4 1.20am.

Although vaguely aware of them, I got inspired to listen to LCD by our esteemed Emperor @craig on this very thread – really enjoyed the film!

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@barnable – I surrender.

🙂

actually, weird as it seems (and believe me, what I’m about to say is as much a shock to me as it will be to you) I now understand what you’re getting at.

I’ll blame the headcold for not getting it up till now, and the lack of alcohol in my bloodstream for finally getting it!

I LIKE IT!

and entities that dont have a corporeal form but can take on different ones…? well, its not like there isn’t previous in the annals of Who.

I salute thee (but not with alcohol – I may try this whole abstanation thing even after this cold!)

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Hi @arjay – welcome!

And nice spot!

“Doctor – you’ve forgotten how to fly this thing??”

“erm no, it’ll come back, I think… what else do I need to do?”

“Doctor – you save people. Remember?”

“yes yes, that was the thing I was thinking of when I regenerated… I save people… that’s why I thought of this face…”

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@fatmaninabox – that is a thing of beauty!!

The line “some-how councillor” also raised a chuckle!

thanks

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@thommck – I don’t usually say this but NO!

I even watched 0:25 seconds just to reacquaint myself and…. it hasn’t changed.

NO NO NO – thrice I say NO!

[god how do i get that choon out of me head????!!?]

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Have we had Clara as the Doctor’s mother recently?

I’m sure this came up before, but with the plea at the crack “If you love him…” being a very motherly thing, she may of course have been answered by her older self on Gallifrey.

ok, that’s bonkers, but not any more bonkers than others!

🙂

TBH (and not being bonkers) I really hope she’s not related – I’ve never needed Susan to be explained, or other family members to come forward, though I’m sure if I’d read Lungbarrow I guess I would. and also not being bonkers, I really like Jenna as an actress but I think that she’s been lumbered by this ‘impossible girl’ tag, which I think is hard for her to realise. Unfortunately I think this will be her last season.

sigh

Apologies – I blame my cold for that shocking lack of bonkersness!

btw – if the TLs manage to snoop on and even gently manipulate our universe through the Cracks, they might actually prefer not being ‘saved’…

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Hi Arbutus – more than happy to chat about any and all of that (though maybe, just maybe, people here may tire of one informed person talking to a numpty like me!).

This site by Mark Ayres seems to be an accurate account of the history of the theme.

oh, and you may laugh but the first time I heard Kraftwerk was on a BBC science programme called Tomorrow’s World (i was a 4 it seems!). I was absolutely captivated, but it didn’t occur to me that I could actualy listen to this music!

Thankfully my brother bought Autobahn as a tape and it was my music-to-read-sci-fi-to for years!

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