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19 January 2014 at 09:39 #24433
and thanks for the Kinks – not one I’d heard before and it made me smile (which I need as I’ve also got a nasty cold!).
More Lemsip!
19 January 2014 at 09:32 #24432Thanks @arbutus and @Purofilion – really interesting (and I now have to look up ‘rubato’ and listen to some Chopin!).
btw, the version you linked to is slightly different to this one which is the original (apparently).
There’s probably not much difference (there’s effects and some overdubs on the one above), but it just may be different enough for sharper ears than mine (puro?) to mean that you’re not going mad!And incredibly no synths were used in the original. All tones etc recorded and looped on tape and spliced together by hand! Delia really was an artist. The sheet music is (I think) the original from the composer – that piano arrangement is what Delia worked from. And she made such an original take on it that Ron Grainer didn’t recognise it when he first heard it and wanted her to get joint credit.
18 January 2014 at 20:43 #24400@cedarbranchtardis – indeed, nicely put! 🙂
btw is it the same music he goes to war throughout the series?
I’ll admit I don’t pay attention and don’t re-watch enough, so hadn’t realised whether Murray Gold had used a ‘war’ theme. But wouldn’t surprise me if he had and thanks for making me listen harder (even if he didn’t)!18 January 2014 at 18:05 #24396he he @bluesqueakpip – nice!
And the TLs being just pedantic enough to care…
🙂
“Doctor Who?”
“Yes”
“No – doctor who?”
“Yes – me”
“and….?”
“and? you mean my companion?”
“No! Doctor…. who?? as in your name!”
“Yes”
“WHAT IS YOUR NAME??”
“Doctor Who”
“Yes…?”
“What?”
“What? ‘What’ is your name?”
“Who”
“What?”
“No – ‘Who'”
“and what is your name Who?”
“What?”
“‘What’??”
[Lou facepalms]
18 January 2014 at 16:57 #2438618 January 2014 at 16:49 #24385😉 @scaryb – I think the words “Marvin Gaye”, “Let’s Get it On” and “lie down” are probably often in the same sentence…
[ahem]
18 January 2014 at 16:40 #24383Just to agree with others on the whole regen ‘gift’ thing…
The TLs are waiting to hear the Doctor’s “real” name as a sign from him that its safe to return.
Clara tells them through the crack that his name is “The Doctor” and as the Doctor himself has said his ‘real’ name is somewhat irrelevant.
But that’s not exactly what the TLs asked for and quite frankly (based on previous views of the TLs) they probably just said “yes yes, that’s very interesting ‘dear’ but we asked for his name. However, sounds like he’s in trouble so hmm… best bung him another set and lets sit it out a little longer”.
18 January 2014 at 16:27 #24381hmm, @purofilion – interesting about the off-beat (if that’s the right phrase).
This is (apparently) the original sheet music. Unfortunately I can’t really read music so can’t tell if the off beat is there in the score or if added by Delia.
At one time I thought that if it hadn’t been electronic, the theme would almost sound like a Robin-Hood-a-hunting type of song. The “da-da dum-dum” being like galloping hooves and the higher “woo-eee-woo” being like a hunting horn.
But then I discovered that Grainer had already written music for electronic instruments and knew that the Radiophonic Workshop would do this, so whaddo I know!?!
🙂
18 January 2014 at 02:10 #24364Hi @purofilion – I think you misunderstand – I want you to write about music!!
and please write anywhere! It wasn’t a ‘topic’ thing at all!!
I just really like what you’ve had to say about music and think its something people have a passion about beyond just clips!🙂
17 January 2014 at 22:15 #24360Hi @purofilion (and cedarbranchtardis and everyone else who enjoys music!)
I think the music within Who and beyond, has a lot of interest for many people here.
If you had any thoughts on it you could always put your informed thoughts down on the Music thread.Yeah, I know mainly its currently a thread of short sentences and video inserts (and it’d be nice if it was an easy place to start for lurkers a la Sofa or Rose & Crown), but it’d be interesting to get any longer form musical insights/ thoughts going there as well.
And if you thought that you had something even longer to write then I’m sure the mods would consider a blog post on it. However that’s ridiculous pressure especially from someone who hasn’t even replied as a comment to Phaseshift asking for a simple reply from me!
but just thought I’d mention in case people thought the music thread was just for (my puerile) clips rather than thoughts about music.
17 January 2014 at 22:14 #24359ok – this is puerile.
However its a Friday night, and my mind got wandering and….
here’s what I think Meta-Crisis 10nant played as Rose walked slowly through the Tardis doors…
15 January 2014 at 09:43 #24326Its interesting that if they went with a female actor for The Master, that this might delay the inevitable female Doctor.
Personally I’d be happy with either a female Master or female Doctor (‘casting blind’ I think is the term – ie if the actor fits, cast them), but if they happened during the same time it would smack of whichever came second as being because of the first casting working.
Not sure who I’d want as a female Master (and I think it would still be “Master” rather than “Mistress”). The usual candidates of Lyndsey Duncan/Dench/Mirren/Lumley etc etc are the first that spring to mind, but I think that there are lots of actresses that could do a stellar turn.
13 January 2014 at 22:21 #24279and something a bit more toe-tappy for Rory.
I loved Rory – though the character wasn’t always given much (be Companion’s true-love as a sidekick without many lines) what he gave it with or without lines was a complete believability and humour.
And – though a fantastic song – this is completely and utterly unfair as a tune for him and the lyrics have nothing to do with his character other than… a cheap laugh.
Hey ho – “bite me” as the kidz* say.
* does anyone actually still say that? I’ve no idea but then again, I didn’t say when they were kids when they used to say it
13 January 2014 at 22:12 #24277Hi @arbutus – glad you liked Rice and hope you check out Lisa (did I mention I’m a bit smitten with her at present? 🙂 ).
[sigh]
Thanks for the Alan Parsons – I’ll admit I don’t know much about him/them, so always glad to have a listen and see if I like it.
and music for themes such as ‘Time’ (in sense of “never laid a glove on me”…) is interesting (as most songs that spring to mind like Floyd and Waits are about Time definitely hitting!), so I’ll see what comes to mind!
13 January 2014 at 16:03 #24269Hi @nicelyuseless – really glad you liked it (and that it was new to you!).
The album “O” is really lovely and quite a few songs from it are in this concert recording. The final song (i think) is Eskimo which is amazing (on the album it has an opera singer which is very powerful).
Spurred on by finding this I had a bit of a session the other night of finding more about Lisa Hannigan who sings on it with him. Amazing singer!! I’m now a tiny bit in love. Her voice live seems even better than on album recordings. Whoever’s doing her live mixing is fantastic!
Hope you like the coupla links here!
🙂
13 January 2014 at 15:50 #24268hey, thanks @Raxacoricofallapatorius ( @barnable ?) – I’m touched that you liked it.
I like how the character of the Tardis has grown from box/ship, to anthropomorphized vehicle to travelling companion with free will of her own. Over time the Doctor would naturally think it ‘broken’, then ‘temperamental’ and only later that it might choose that shape (in the same way we learn that it sometimes chose where the Doctor needed to go). Its funny in this context when the most egocentric sixth Doctor was one to ‘fix’ it (or at least try to).
And the disguise of a police box only makes sense because of Ian and Barbara and what travelling with them has meant to the Doctor (and herself) as well as those they’ve affected.
anyway, thanks again and I agree – I’d not want too many episodes where it changed!
9 January 2014 at 18:16 #24120Well, obviously I should really try getting some more episode-related pieces of music on here but I thought of a different list.
Companions.
Admittedly I only have two that spring to mind, but I’m sure others will spring to mind (and if not mine then anyone else!)
;¬)
So first up is Amy Pond. And as @shazzbot would never forgive me for ignoring lyrics, there’s some in here that raise a smile…
yep, its:
Tomorrow (or when I next remember) I have a cracker for Rory.
😉
6 January 2014 at 20:57 #24005Sorry @jimthefish – only thing I can think of was The Hand with Michael Caine… and a quick whizz on imdb doesn’t ring any bells (including the Hammer episode with McCallum).
lets hope the hive starts to buzz…
5 January 2014 at 14:20 #23961@phaseshift – couldn’t agree more. I never do resolutions at any point in the year.
I just do stuff without telling anyone or planning anything. A tad chaotic perhaps but I find it works for me.
🙂
hm, best get those lights on and eke out a few more moments of chrissmassyness.
5 January 2014 at 14:02 #239595 January 2014 at 10:42 #23955Happy New Year @tardisblue – any bonkers resolutions?
I should try and get some appropriate music on while I take down the xmas decorations later.
It is today they come down isn’t it? It seems too soon!!
4 January 2014 at 19:13 #239314 January 2014 at 18:19 #23928@nicelyuseless et al – I fear we get the leaders/ public servants we deserve (certainly the ones we vote for).
I think if they thought we wouldn’t vote for them if they were seen heckling or using dumb arguments etc then they’d change their ways. Unfortunately its working the other way with apathy being the common reaction to politics. Also, voters (and non-voters) behave even worse on forums, as portrayed in vox pops etc etc, so provide no example or incentive to politicians.
Luckily the increasing transparency of public life can help (eg how often they attend Parliament/ surgeries; what they voted for etc) and the Press do at least sometimes do their job (eg expenses).
And people sometimes set up forums for civil chatting and arguing (thanks Craig).
[at this point I’d launch into a rousing “…its up to us!” speech but this is a sofa not a soapbox]
🙂
3 January 2014 at 18:31 #23871ha ha – @phaseshift – have you seen Toy Story 3?
Hope you have your Woody for many years to come.
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erm.
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jeezus did I just type that?
3 January 2014 at 18:06 #23866oh no! He’s far too young!
I know this will be a disaster and this casting just goes to show that Moffat has no clue how to write.
Wenger out!
3 January 2014 at 17:41 #23863ah @phaseshift you’re Master-like scheming is all too transparent!
ok then – which cards do you want to swap?
Be warned – they’re not in pristine condition but perhaps you don’t need that to make a full set and take over the World huh? huh? yeah… yeah – I got your number, ‘Master’.
‘Master’
.
Master…
[stares into Phaseshift’s avatar’s eyes and begins to lose will to keep hold of cherished childhood memories…]
3 January 2014 at 17:35 #23862I’ll admit I was going to post the Lawson link here on the forum, and was surprised no one else had.
Then realised my motivation was to get some of the more robust thinkers here to tear Lawson’s article to shreds as I couldn’t quite find the right place to start.
As that’s a rather crap reason to post a link I didn’t. In the same way I couldn’t be bothered adding to the comments.
The article lazily used poor examples to make an otherwise obvious point (don’t make programmes just for the hard core fans). Lawson didn’t even bother to wonder what hardcore fans even wanted (maybe that led to me not bothering to even comment).
I guess they got my click, so job done perhaps.
3 January 2014 at 15:42 #23852@monochromedimension – hey that’s great!
I also can’t figure out whether my earliest memories were re-runs of Pertwee (though I’m just old enough to remember him, so I probably was sitting near enough to my dad’s knee for safety).In terms of Faces – perhaps you need a Faces of the Daleks thread?!?
😉
and completist – probably (but is that so bad??)
3 January 2014 at 11:54 #23838Hi @purplecup – I’m going to leave it to wiser heads than mine to answer your good questions!
@wolfweed – Great interview with Orla. I would love to know what backstory she created in her mind to play Tasha (and how that played out over a few series! 🙂 ). Fun to hear how an actor responds to being in Who (without even reading the script!).
(will shut up now as she has a winning smile and I may get a bit fanboy).
[ahem]
3 January 2014 at 11:45 #23836Hi @monochromedimension – I was curious if you wanted to post something on either the Memories thread or Faces thread as to your preference of the Classic Drs – Troughton and Hartnell in particular.
I was just wondering as many here who mention their love of them, do so as they saw them first time round and unless you have a time machine I’m guessing you’ve come across them in some other way and as an adult.
Of course you don’t have to, but you’re love of them may echo or be different to others in interesting ways.
2 January 2014 at 16:49 #23814ah – excellent points @phaseshift – of course its pretty much inevitable that Who would/should cover Hitler (as in the paradox).
And you’re quite right as to how it works in-show in terms of the wider narrative.
I guess what I found interesting about the conversation was the use of transgressive humour in general, and that the episode didn’t seem to be funny enough to assuage the use of a ‘real’ monster (at least for some of the audience). I guess I was also interested in the use of monsters generally (and how the Doctor often deflates their importance/scariness etc through humour – fancy a jellybaby?).But that was really a lot of ‘general’ musing (which is a tad muddy!)
Love the Pratchett quote btw – I really should read his stuff.
2 January 2014 at 12:22 #23809I find this quite interesting.
I’m sympathetic to @gothamcelt ‘s view – its fine to use humour to debunk inhuman or just plain stupid theories and actions, and has been done well and badly in the past. In fact humour is brilliant at bringing down fear and breaking unquestioned institutions.
This particular time it wasn’t done with much intent to debunk Hitler’s beliefs or actions but more as a simple comedy villain for a bit of slapstick (possibly because he has been used as a comedy villain so often in the past – unlike Stalin for instance).
However, I really laughed at some of the Downfall videos that were done which had no greater desire than just being really funny, so I’m not above dark humour.
I wonder if what matters is how intelligent or just downright funny you find the use of him?
2 January 2014 at 11:48 #23807ah – @phaseshift – I know, I know – not really a theory, more a naff denouement! Its also one I’d hate (which proves how little instinct for writing or drama is in me!)
What I do like (as you all have said) is that this ends the ‘last-of-the-TimeLords’ shtick, yet also means he can’t bring them back until they’ve proven to the rest of the Universe that they aren’t power-mad High Council types/ War-mongering Council types or even aloof and feared original TL types.
What’s quite neat is that they will have to answer a question to prove their worth in returning.
What that question might be I have no idea (“you see a turtle on its back…?” 😉 ).
1 January 2014 at 19:27 #23787a bonkers thread of theorising – great idea!!
Can I be first(?!) to suggest that when they do step forward and everyone’s (vaguely) happy at seeing them, the TLs admit that they lost the War while being sealed away, and Dalek stalks sprout from their foreheads?
Bit obvious, but still….
😉
1 January 2014 at 17:31 #23778In terms of the High Council and War Council being at odds in terms of how to wage a war (as well as wage how to escape the Time Lock) I guess what’s interesting (unless I’m misunderstanding) is that the ‘mad’ High Council choose to communicate to the Master, whereas the War Council reach out to the Doctor.
If that’s correct, then they needn’t necessarily have resolved their differences – they might still be holed-up in their respective rooms, hatching plans etc.
But agree – a great gift for future writers!
1 January 2014 at 10:12 #23763btw – may I just say thanks to @phaseshift (and @craig et al) for taking a silly little suggestion and creating this thread?
I’m hoping its given people some fun and ability to share something (especially if they’ve nothing quite bonkers enough to say!).
I don’t do resolutions, but this year I will try and post some music less than five years old.
🙂
1 January 2014 at 09:33 #23756Hi everyone – I was going to welcome the new year with something obvious, but on reflection thought that the lyrics of this give a sense of hope more than U2.
Hope your phone is on the hook, and that 2014 is full of love for you and yours.
31 December 2013 at 16:48 #23729ok – last post(ing) for a bit.
For Time of the Doctor (and Matt Smith), I think this makes a fitting epitaph.
31 December 2013 at 16:42 #23727ah @arbutus – thanks, I missed that!
duh!
what’s the emoticon for “slaps head”?
[though not ‘slaphead’. I may well be a slaphead, but that’s different]
31 December 2013 at 16:39 #23726@scaryb and @juniperfish – thanks sooo much for Camille and John Grant. I don’t know them well but must change that now tout suite!
@arbutus – not heard that one before, but love a bit of Young (and those other guys!)
😉
31 December 2013 at 16:36 #23725Must admit I hadn’t realised it was our birthday (who’d a thought that we all shared the same birthday??!)
There really is only ONE song suitable for New Year’s Eve and a birthday celebration.
31 December 2013 at 16:28 #23722btw, I didn’t spot that the regeneration given to the Doctor was another “full set”.
It probably was, but equally, if Moffat wanted to, we could get to the end of Capaldi’s reign and him not know whether he has any more left (something I like and I think @jimthefish mentioned).
It wasn’t the greatest – there were quite a few moments on second viewing that I thought were a bit “oh, come on…” like Clara remembering the Silence (“I saw you then I forgot you – how did that happen?”), telling a fib to not-Barnabas, the Tardis not having a broken window and thus being a different Tardis to the grave-Tardis (was the future already changed?) and I think there were others…
but
I actually liked it as an episode (if not a xmas extravanganza) and far more importantly we DID learn one thing that makes all of those nitpicking niggles irrelevant.
Shaved heads are cool.
😉
31 December 2013 at 16:16 #23717Hi all – been lurking but reading and catching up (especially after being with non-Who family and friends over!).
Must admit, on 1st viewing I thought it wasn’t greatest story and was tough for those who hadn’t been following the whole series, but on second viewing I thought it was actually quite well paced (not rushed), thoughtful but a bit less emotional than the first viewing.
Just shows you what I know!
Obviously better insights upthread but haven’t seen anyone mention why Clara’s family are different. She now has a mum and dad? Isn’t this the same Clara that was looking after the kids?
But I can reveal the origins of Tasha Lem’s name.
yup. Exclusive. Its cos I has me fumb on the pulse of cultshure.
ie ‘coolest hot girl who is a supreme being and who’s also a bit of a warrior.’
innit?
🙂
24 December 2013 at 09:30 #23316Hi @phaseshift – good memory! and yes, he’s partnered with The Actor Kevin Eldon.
Also in that episode – John Simms!
(as well as a Dredd poster!)
🙂
24 December 2013 at 09:26 #23315ah @arbutus – no worries and thanks!
I had the same problem (scans being only on my laptop), so I created a deviantart account and uploaded the artwork so I could post here (using the image URL).
Free, and if spammy to whatever email I used, I’m not noticing!
ah well, merry christmas anyway (and I don’t think you ever really can say it too often!)
🙂
23 December 2013 at 22:28 #23305Hi @discostupac – welcome!
That’s a lovely spot! Indeed goes well with others’ here that there’s doppelgangeriness happening!
Nice first post!
And please cover your ears when you listen to @fatmaninabox ‘s musical reply. Though not actually a spoiler, its bad enough to turn milk!
😉
23 December 2013 at 22:14 #23304@arbutus – loving that cartoon 🙂
@MartyB – I don’t know where to begin with the worst xmas song ever so I won’t – its unforgiveable!! However – Charlie Brown redeem’s most things!
🙂
Similarly – nothing can forgive @fatmaninabox ‘s The Timelords horror – except of course a judicious muppet song!!
(as well as a rather fetching seasonal avatar update!).I’ll leave you to decide if this is me being ironic, cheeky, Who-ish or simply because its a great choon.
(hm, methinks that could’ve been another poll …)
23 December 2013 at 20:02 #23297
23 December 2013 at 20:01 #23296@arbutus – how did you try to link your picture? It may be worth asking a mod, but if its a webpage you can either just paste the URL and we’ll work it out, or add a link to a piece of text (select the text and then click on the underlined ‘link’ option above the Tex box you’re typing in).
Alternately if its an image that’s online somewhere, right-click the image, copy the image URL, and use that URL in the ‘img’ box (rather than the ‘link’ option).
I truly hope that wasn’t an exercise on my part of “… and instructions on sucking eggs coming soon” or just downright confusing.
but you did remind me to do something (its an old one, but you guys don’t mind I hope – the sentiment remains true!)
23 December 2013 at 19:49 #23294Hi @phaseshift (and everyone else!).
In terms of post xmas / NY tv viewing, all those sound good. Never did get to see any of those shows for a long period (just a few before inevitably trailing off).
Another comedy that could work is Spaced (too many Who-related people to mention). I happened to randomly catch an episode last night and raised a few chuckles (especially seeing a very young looking Gatiss guesting!).
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