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19 July 2014 at 16:56 #29168
So the second mini-two parter for Davison. The Awakening. Galloping Horses, and Polly James exploring. A nice confusing meld of two time zones. It doesn’t take long to introduce most of the support cast, and learn these are war games. Perhaps being taken too seriously by some, especially Sir George who is played by marvellous NZ character actor Denis Lill.
Over to Team TARDIS, and there have been a few changes since Black Orchid. Gone are Adric (yay!) and Nyssa (oh well). We have a strange, ginger, overgrown schoolboy fixing the TARDIS, so I best do introductions.
Tegan is still here, looking far more colourful since she returned to Earth and lost her job as an air hostess. She does, as @blenkinsopthebrave said, continue to whine, though less forcefully than earlier. She’s here by choice now.
New boy is Turlough, played by Mark Strickson. An alien condemned to imprisonment on Earth. In a public school. Hilarious. His introduction saw a mini arc in which he was charged with killing the Doctor. Since that was resolved, he’s characterised by being quite a cautious character (to the point of cowardice). He’s smart, so he can help fix the TARDIS.
So the team are on course to visit Tegan’s grandfather. Is she deranged?! When she met the Doctor her Great Aunt became a shrunken corpse at the hands of the Master. She left, then met him again leaving her cousin traumatised and potentially brain damaged. You hope grandpa is up to date with his insurance policies! Tegan is the Who version of Jessica Fletcher in Murder She Wrote. Havoc follows her for friends and family.
This story is remarkably different when you compare it to the leisurely opening of Black Orchid. The Doctors compassion leads him into danger and we’re knee deep in jeopardy, collapsing churches, suspicious cracks and imprisonment by the Cavaliers. Should have listened to Turlough.
Sir Georges pronouncement that the village is isolated from the outside world chimes with the energy field the Doctor talks about, and he obviously knows something is going on.
Just as an aside, it’s interesting that the 3 (sorry all, there are 3 double parters. I always forget the Season 20 King’s Demons. Mainly because it’s King’s Demons) all saw more than usual amounts of outside location work. I’m not sure if there are good logistic reasons for that, and it may be @bluesqueakpip can shed some light on the production aspects. Little Hodcombe looks quite charming though, and continues the long tradition of horror in unlikely places.
The Colonel is a 17th century buff from his office. Apparently Tegan’s grandfather is missing. The curse of Tegan Jovanka strikes again!
I do love Davison’s splutter of disbelief at the question as to whether he’s a “member of the theatrical profession.” “No more than you are” is certainly a more polite response than “hark at the ponced up poodle. Pot. Kettle. Black”. Still the mirth lasts long enough for him to pull a “look over there” escape, and he legs it.
Meanwhile, after chasing a bag thief, Tegan is trapped being menaced by a harrowing apparition – it’s a 1980s blocky video effect! The Horror!! Turlough stumbles in to rescue her from a fate worse than death. Probably.
The Doctor makes it back to the Church to suffer an apparition himself, with a roar of a battle from the past out pops a historical figure – we know he’s historical because he says “bain’t”. He thinks it’s 1643. As an aside, MrsPhaseshift comes from a small village in West Cumbria in which the many of the locals think exactly the same thing.
It’s a breakneck pace this. Just time for a hurried meeting between the team to compare notes, and some useful exposition about psychic projections. I like Tegan’s “very scientific” as the Doctor does his version of head/tails to determine the action plan.
And off we go to make the discovery that the ghastly video effect has infected the TARDIS. Backing out, Tegan and Turlough go off to find the Doctor, who has been distracted by a secret passage.
As Tegan and Turlough don’t realise this, Tegan falls victim to the dastardly cavaliers. They want to make her their May Queen, the dastards. Colonel Ben isn’t all that keen on how this is all going, obviously.
Meanwhile the Doctor and his new country bumkin assistant rescue Jane and we have a bit of exposition about the Tantlavic – an off-world metal remnant of a space craft?
Tegan gets a nice dress and a ridiculous bonnet. Her captor makes we laugh with “You’re beginning to annoy me”. Try her in her first season, mate.
And so back in the Church, with the Doctor drawn to the ominous crack, he rips it apart to reveal …. Glowing eyes?! As the fog engulfs him, we get a forlorn scream and into the credits.
This is certainly breakneck pace episode with a lot of usual business cut out. Personally, I think it works surprisingly well, although I don’t think it’s had time to establish the “creeping menace” that the (as yet unseen) Malus presents.
19 July 2014 at 16:43 #29167I think you may be over-selling me there, but thanks. 😀
Just before I post my notes, spot on the money with Sapphire and Steel. The Daemons is often cited (evil thing in Church), but I think it draws more from PJ Hammond. The writer, Eric Pringle, has said he hadn’t seen or read Daemons before this.
This was the only story he wrote, and in fact the Director Michael Owen Morris didn’t either, which is unusual. One of the flourishes that always reminds me of S&S is the cliffhanger as Polly James “Doctor” is echo distorted into the theme. That is so S&S.
19 July 2014 at 12:26 #29128I commend you on your spirited and comprehensive sales technique for Mark of the Rani. And it’s certainly gained one supported with @janetteb. It seems we have a two horse race to come.
Oh – that sounds awful on the Farscape editing. Much worse than when they were shown on BBC2 at six o’clock. The BBC quite liked the swearing, with the Farscape mini-site doing an inteterative guide to some of the more common swear words.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/farscape/swearing/
For example, Frell:
Probably the most versatile word in the Uncharted Territories, frell is an expletive for all occasions.
Example – Your favourite coat has just been ruined by a stray shot from a pulse pistol.
“Frell! You’ve destroyed my frelling favourite coat you frelling piece of dren (qv)”
Translation. “Oh dear. You’ve destroyed my blooming favourite coat you awful little man.”
19 July 2014 at 12:12 #29126I’m glad you enjoyed it. The main reason for putting it in here I think was just to highlight how much I enjoyed Hurt in that special. The others were quite fun to compile though with lots of uumming and aaahing about order.
Jim, entirely agree about Warner. Marvellous actor in serious roles, but with a really peculiar sense of humour on display in others (Time Bandits and League of Gentlemen Apocalypse come to mind). Listening to those audios he really is a canny choice. He’s partnered up with Lethbridge Stewart and its astonishing the easy rapport Warner and Courtney develop in a short space of time. If Hurt had been unavailable for the DotD, he would have been my choice on the strength of these. By the way – computer game featuring voice work from Hurt on the Time War is actually such a good idea.
If anyone wants to have a listen to some of the audio for Jayston, Collings, Bayldon, Warner or Weir the Doctor Who Unbound series was recorded just before the 40th anniversary and before the announcement of the return of the show.
The one I haven’t featured is Deadline, because it’s an unusual entry about a writer of a show called Doctor Who that wasn’t commissioned by the BBC, and who gradually begins to merge fiction and reality. It’s actually really good as a play, by Robert Shearman (Dalek) and features non other than Sir David Jacobi as the writer and his fantasy personae of the Doctor.
The range is on offer at the moment at £5 a play.
19 July 2014 at 12:08 #29124@adt1957
While I agree it’s a nice thought, I think @janetteb has it on the nose with commercial decisions. I’ll also add that from the point of view of the story, having the Moment as a trusted face from the past perhaps wouldn’t have worked so well for the story. I think their scenes have meaning for the audience, because they know the bad wolf/Rose history, but this Doctor doesn’t, which adds a frisson of uncertainty to him about “her” motivations.
I do think (as the commissioned animated trailer for Day of the Doctor showed) that if Elisabeth had been alive she would have had a part in the special as Sarah Jane. Her popularity in both old and new series is unique, and I can believe she would have been on SMs list.
18 July 2014 at 22:51 #29113I guessed you may be one of the few people who’d seen them shown. I think Oz was one of the few territories that got the lot under the various permissions that were issued.
One of the missing eps, Random Quest, was remounted by BBC4 a few years ago as part of the Sci-Fi Britannia season, but a lot of the permissions for others have expired now, so most of them would involve re-licensing, which is unlikely.
Such as shame, as with all lost TV from that period.
18 July 2014 at 22:44 #29112I hadn’t noticed those repeats, but I have the DVDs so that’s OK. Just to echo you though, with Pick being on Freeview, it’s an excellent chance to sample Farscape (although to be fair – people may be as confused as hell jumping in at this point).
Is this really going to be your first taste of Six? We really have to get this one right. At least the horror story of Twin Dilemma is not in contention.
Hell, I’ve got your vote for Vengeance and the mighty Sil written down four times at various points now. You are a consistent Yeti. Will you be reintroducing Sil as your avatar in the event of a win?
18 July 2014 at 16:13 #29097As it’s now been well over 7 months since Day of the Doctor, I thought I’d do an extension of views on alternate faces of the Doctor we’d seen/heard over the years. The Almost Doctors, if you will. Just because I thought they deserve a mention. I’ve graded them by how much I enjoyed them, and what I thought they did/would have bought to the role.
Not nearly comprehensive, but a bit of fun, nonetheless. No arguments about non-existent Canon please.
1. The War Doctor – John Hurt (Day of the Doctor)

There was a sudden rush of blood to my head at the end of Name of the Doctor. What a coup to get someone like Hurt into the role. Put aside arguments about who should have been in it (Paul McGann/Eccleston, etc), if you wanted to cast someone new, shorn of any expectations about what they’d do, he was both surprising and familiar enough in a wide range of parts that balance good, evil, and somewhere in between, to raise expectations.
Looking back at the publicity, it was masterful in misdirection from SM, who emphasised darkness, dwelling on what kind of Doctor could have taken the actions he did in the war. I think its history repeating to a certain extent with Peter Capaldi. The pre-publicity by SM seems to show a darker tone, and he’s pronounced the beast must roar, but the beast has roared on quite a few occasions since the Doctor returned.
In truth, Hurt fit that role like a glove, assuming the manner of a Doctor quite easily. Disarmingly gracious and charming in one moment, biting sarcasm the next. His exchanges with his older selves on language (“timey-wimey?”) and wand/screwdriver action probably delighted those who criticise that aspect of the modern interpretation.
His main strength though is the sheer sense of universe-weariness he brings to that part. Dejected, and without hope, it’s up-to the Ghost of Christmas Future, the moment (and hats off to Billie Piper – her scenes with her third Doctor are some of her best) to show him what is to come, and explore the means to change it.
He may only have been a Doctor for a short time, but he’s a worthy addition to the roster.
2. The Dream Lord – Toby Jones (Amy’s Choice)

OK – Our first real vision of a Dark splinter of the Doctor in my little list. I think Toby Jones is excellent in this, and Simon Nye’s script is pitch perfect as the Doctors dark alter-ego psycho-analyses him. It’s fun packed and darkly malevolent.
“If you had any more tawdry quirks you could open up a Tawdry Quirk Shop.”
3. The Valeyard – Michael Jayston (Trial of a Time Lord, He Jests at Scars Audio)

Another Dark potential Doctor, and it’s Michael Jayston as the Doctor. As I’ve said before, when it was revealed he was, in some twisted way, the Doctor, I said I would have preferred him to the Doctor he was up against. It’s an assured performance and the one standout from the Trial of a Time Lord series I’ll praise. If he’d added the charm that Jayston had demonstrated in other performances, he would have been a marvellous interpretation of the Doctor.
4. Alt. Third Doctor – David Warner (Sympathy for the Devil/Masters of War – Audio)
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David Warner is great in these two audio adventures that arose because of the Big Finish Unbound series of alternate takes on the Doctor. It arises in a “What if?” kind of way, with the Doctor never having worked for UNIT and the changes that brings. It’s a great vocal performance as he portrays the Doctor as a charismatic interpretation of the forces of moral certainty – elements of Pertwee and Hartnell, but with a caustic and deadpan delivery of comedy that at various points echoes Troughton, Baker and Davison. Well worth a listen if you get the chance.
David Warner obviously played the professor in Cold War, and demonstrated his considerable charm in that.
5. Doctor Who – Peter Cushing (Doctor Who and the Daleks/Dalek Invasion of Earth 2150)

At this point, the Doctor being a human inventor of his machine was actually a potential route for the TV series to go. The move to the big screen actually troubled Hartnell a lot, as he saw the potential end of the TV series. He needn’t have worried and Cushing’s absent minded professor lacks the cutting edge that Hartnell summoned for the role, and demonstrates what a good call Verity Lambert made in casting him. There is an argument that early rushes of this may have led to the introduction of more comedy and whimsy into the first Doctor, or that was a move already on the cards.
Whatever, Cushing is still an interesting choice, and the films were responsible for introducing the Doctor and the Daleks to territories that hadn’t seen the show before.
6. Alternative Doctor – Geoffrey Blayldon (Auld Mortality/A Storm of Angels Audio)

Geoffrey Blaydon famously turned down the role of the first and second Doctor, but agreed to do this alternative vision of the First Doctor in audio. It’s more an interpretation of the Hartnell Doctor than what he would have done, perhaps, summoning a vocal style and mannerisms very familiar. It’s skewed though from the premise of this story. This First Doctor didn’t leave Gallifrey and in Auld Mortality he is a frustrated writer drawing on inspiration from a “Possibility Generator”, vicariously living out adventures that tie into the Who realm and skew them.
The performance does communicate that unfulfilled yearning in the Doctor, though and Marc Platt’s script drips with reference to the old series and the New Adventures model of Gallifrey. The follow up isn’t as good.
7. Alternative Doctor – David Collings – Full Fathom Five Audio

David Collings is something else entirely in Full Fathom Five. He was a long standing favourite (in certain fan circles) to play the Doctor one day. Largely, I’ve always felt, because of his mercurial performance in Sapphire and Steel as the oddly endearing Silver – a technology specialist who helps the two heroes in their third and sixth adventures.
When he got the opportunity in this radio play he went for something completely different. From a starting out as something very familiar, caring for an orphaned girl he adopted after a previous adventure underwater, he slowly unleashes a dark side of the Doctor as he returns to the underwater base to conclude unfinished work (and recover his TARDIS). A distillation of the Doctor at his most extreme – one who definitely believes that the end justifies the means. Everyone who wishes for a dark Doctor should sate their thirst on this. The Doctor regenerated as Jack Bauer may be a fun idea to explore, but you wouldn’t wish for a full series of it.
8. Alternate 13th Doctor Joanna Lumley – Curse of Fatal Death

I’ve separated Joanna Lumley out from the pack of Curse of Fatal Death because I think she’s the only one who came up with a new personality. She’s hilarious and cheeky with the jokes with a nod, wink and energetic performance that in some ways reminds me of Tennant and Smith.
As Sapphire (in Sapphire and Steel) she was great as the distant/alien time agent and it would be fascinating to know how she would do as a female alternative pitched more seriously.
9. Alternate 9th /10th Doctor Richard E Grant (Scream of the Shalka Audio Animation / Curse of Fatal Death)

Richard E Grant also appeared briefly in Curse of Fatal Death, but was allowed more room to manoeuvre in Scream of the Shalka (audio animation). Personally, although I enjoyed it at the time, I can’t see his interpretation having the same success in the new show. I think he’s better at the icy Doctor Simeon/GI.
10. Alternate 9th 11th 12th Doctor (Curse of Fatal Death)

OK, Rowan Atkinson gets the main credit here for his sarcastic universe weary Time Lord, but, to be fair this isn’t a real stretch for him as the character is largely BlackAdder. Jim Broadbent’s bashful interpretation and Hugh Grant (who also turned down the ninth Doctor gig) are entertaining cameos at best.
11. Alternate Doctor – Arabella Weir (Exile Audio)

Second female Doctor of the list. Arabella Weir also played a female Doctor, and brings much of her charm to this tale of an alternative Doctor who hides from the Time Lords on earth. The main problem for me is that, entertaining enough, there isn’t enough of the Doctor in her performance to be recognisible. It doesn’t help that the story is pitched as pure farce, and the script probably isn’t as funny as it was meant to be.
I feel obliged to put in an honourable mention to Richard Hurndall, who at least rates a mention for his attempt to recreate the First Doctor in the Five Doctors. I actually thought he captured certain aspects quite well but, because it’s a direct impersonation, I didn’t think it worthwhile rating him.
18 July 2014 at 13:41 #29093It was my immediate thought too on the simulcast/preview idea. Earlier this year in one of the Media expos the G’ covered (sorry, just searched for the link and can’t find it) there was a mention that one of the hot ticket events was a presentation by BBC Worldwide on how they did the digital distribution deal with the Cinemas, etc. Apparently there was a hell of a lot of interest from big names in TV on some of the lessons learned/promotion and the studies on viewers who are prepared to pay extra to make it a communal event.
I’m sure @bluesqueakpip is right in that event TV like a new Doctor – making it an equivalent of a double parter and have a simulcast may become the norm. This would be the test to see if there is an ongoing market or if everyone was just a little bit giddy with the 50th. Equally, I think we’ll probably see a few other franchises dip their toes into this kind of thing (but maybe more regionally).
18 July 2014 at 12:54 #29088It’s a difficult one for me as well. In the last few voting sessions we’ve had an outlier come in against nominal choices, but in Season 22 is anyone going to argue that Attack of the Cybermen, Two Doctors or Timelash is better than any of these?! Difficult to see.
I hate it when that happens. He can lay siege to you for days, you know? Under the circumstances, the only choice you could have made. 🙂
18 July 2014 at 12:12 #29084As we continue our look at Peter Davison this weekend with the second short two-parter The Awakening, and dwelling on the short space of time before Series 8 starts in earnest, I’m afraid it’s time.
Time for THE man, THE Myth, THE Legend, THE coat….THE Colin Baker. Yes, the fervent wish of posters such as @tardisblue, @monochromedimension, @marinus-lost-his-keys-again amongst others is about to be granted. We enter the realm of the Sixth Doctor in our retrospectives.
Given timings, we are going to restrict choices to Season 22, which saw the experimentation with 40 odd minute episodes, which is an opportunity to see what is effectively a modern 2 parter mounted BG. Stories nominated so far are included below, but what is everyone’s choice?
Story (Episodes) Notes Vengeance on Varos (2x50minute) Thrills! Spills! The Doctor fights a nasty regime on a planet fronted by a sibilant slug. It’s twisted view of Reality/Torture TV is probably more relevant now. Mark of the Rani (2x50minute) Thrills! Spills! That Coat. Trouble in’t pit as The Doctor and inventor George Stephenson have to battle two renegade Time Lords for the price of one. The Rani (Kate O’Mara) first appears. Revelation of the Daleks (2x50minute) Thrills! Spills! That Coat. With a Cloak! The Doctor uncovers nasty goings on at the funeral planet Necros. Just what is happening to the dead bodies? Graeme Harper directs in an episode which is very different in switching the main focus away from the Doctor. See what Oswin may have looked like after conversion! As Connor Macleod (of the Clan Macleod) once proclaimed: “There can be only one”. Upto you to decide which, so get voting over the next week.
18 July 2014 at 11:53 #29083Preview or simulcast showings of the first episode in cinemas, do we reckon?
18 July 2014 at 11:50 #29082You pre-empted me, but your link is much more detailed than the G’s little summary of the story. The big news for me are the TV releases (as events in Yorkshire are sparse to say the least). I’ve seen the Out of the Unknown stories that remain, but apparently the prints have been rescanned and cleaned up significantly for this release, so that’s all I wanted to hear.
Great shot of the Robots from Asimov’s The Prophet (for anyone who doesn’t know, they were used again in the Doctor Who The Mind Robber). Alas, that’s a story that doesn’t exist anymore. A list of the available episodes is here.
Another series with definite links to Sydney Newman, who surely has to be celebrated for his work in commissioning Sci-fi and recognising great female talent like Verity Lambert, and in Out of the Unknown’s case, Irene Shubick. The story of her one woman mission to convince authors like Asimov to allow rights is pretty legendary, with the tortuous negotiations in each case (which determined which territories they could be shown and sold to) probably highlighting why something like this wouldn’t be attempted today.
18 July 2014 at 11:42 #29081Many thanks for the image. Timely, as it reminds me to launch the vote for Colin campaign.
Great shots from Burning Man. I don’t know what it is with you Scots – any chance to flash off yer’ kneecaps. 😀
14 July 2014 at 21:25 #29014Yes – it strikes me after looking at a few sites (not at the spoilers, just at relative activity) that I think this has scared people off participating to some extent, because the day after a trailer like that you’d expect a lot more. Of course – it could be the summer holidays as well. 😀
It’s hard to disagree with Kermode on his points, especially the last. There has always been an element of Who fandom who like to pretend to be “in the know” to impress others. It’s why it’s frustrating when you occasionally do get someone who is “in the know” who can’t keep their mouth shut (about returned material as an example). It’s privileged information, and should be treated as such. Not be used to scream “look at me, aren’t I important”.
I read a comment recently which was on the subject of hate trolls, and whether there were more of them online. One of the most valuable points made was that the internet just means there is more of everything full stop. More hate (such as racism, trolling, etc) but also more compassion, more empathy, more jokes and more support, depending on where you look. Hopefully, we’ll keep maximising the positives and keep the negative sides to a minimum.
14 July 2014 at 19:17 #29009I’m sure it must be frustrating, because I’ve tried to get tickets to these kind of events in the past in the UK. I’ve never been successful because they are usually massively over subscribed, and yes, they do tend to be smaller venues. They are primarily designed for the press, and having some fans enjoy an episode and get involved in the Q&As just adds a lot of atmosphere.
Just for context though, when Matt Smith started in the role, his “world-tour” was largely confined to the UK (including closed showings at his own school) with one jaunt to New York (which BBC America paid, because they’d just taken on showing DW in the states). That was in a very small venue, and its relative success has seen it become a larger and more permanent feature.
This time it’s much, much bigger, and the same thing may happen. As a long time fan I never thought I’d see the day when a launch would be on this scale, so I’m glad at least some lucky fans will get the chance to meet them.
14 July 2014 at 18:52 #29007Just to add, it looks like someone has been regurgitating spoilers over on the G with abandon. They’ve been deleted, but there are a couple of references still up, so extreme caution advised as ever.
12 July 2014 at 20:58 #28946You know, I meant to say last week that Davison and Dickinson appearing in this was pretty apt, because they actually met on the set of another Sci-fi show, The Tomorrow People.
I’ll post a clip because it’s hilarious. The Tomorrow People made the cheapest episodes of Doctor Who look like Star Wars in comparison.
Just for anyone abroad, if you’ve no idea what @wolfweed s mention of Button Moon was all about, it was a young childrens show that the two did the theme tune for. Here them sing it here:
Entertainingly, you’ll note the visual effects in Button Moon were better than Tomorrow People as well. 😀
12 July 2014 at 18:26 #28942I agree that some of the choices seem a bit optimistic in casting. 🙂
I’ll also agree that MacLachlan and Cage seemed to stand out as “wrong” somehow. It’s odd the ones that I immediately thought – yes I could see that, as I thought about them in other work. Wilder was a great suggestion that I always remembered from you on the next Doctor thread, but when I saw Jeff Goldblum as the Eighth Doctor, I could really see that somehow.
12 July 2014 at 18:15 #28940Ah … parting is such sweet sorrow. Still, we have a lot of fun getting to the end. Trapped on board the doomed stunt ship, it’s great to see the team learning to cope with inevitable death, while Zaphod continues to demonstrate that tact is a concept entirely alien to him.
“You were there when your Planet did the big firework.”
Marvin continues to be an annoying bugger in the most entertaining way possible.
“You said you wanted excitement adventure and really wild things.”
“But this is awful.”
“That’s what I said.”I wonder if Jeremy Clarkson has ever considered hiring Disaster Areas public relations manager to meet with, and shoot, environmental activists?
Ford’s theories on small talk are quite entertaining tangenting into the tale of the Belcerebons. I love the stamps appearing in the animations – Official verdict: Arrogant Bastards!
Still we can’t hang about to get incinerated, and luckily there is a teleport to help out. Unfortunately, we need someone to lay down their lives. Good old Marvin. Goodbye Marvin (and thanks for all the fish).
Shortly to be followed by an abrupt (to the point of non-existent) goodbye to Trillian and Zaphod as we enter the end game and final sketch of the series.
The idea of a race deciding to rid themselves of the useless middle men is entertaining enough, but when they’re fronted by Aubrey Morris as their rather bemused Captain, it’s hilarious. This series does throw up some fantastic guest roles, and this is another one. It’s astonishing that in his long career (with a lot of genre associations) he’s never appeared in Who.
Which can’t be said of the slightly camp Number 3, he of the “report thingy”. It’s astonishing to me that he is actually Geoffrey Beevers. As well as being once married to former Who assistant Caroline John (Liz Shaw) he played the decayed Master in Keeper of Traken (which I think @thekrynoidman suggested was his favourite interpretation of the role).

Back to the Golgafrinchens and their fiendish Arc Fleet scam. Inflicting their management consultants on the Galaxy must count as an act of warfare and the revelation that they died out from a disease contracted from dirty telephone seems fitting justice somehow.The exploration of the new Planet, and the frankly useless state of its new colonists all drives us to the revelation that this is the Earth, and the useless third of the Golgafrinchan race are our ancestors. In moments of cynicism this makes complete sense to me. Can I just say as an aside, I love the magnificent fake beards. The one sported by Ford is poor, but Arthur’s is entirely ludicrous.
The reveal of the question (or is it) confirms a widely held belief – there really is something fundamentally wrong with the Universe.
And so we leave Arthur and Ford wandering off into the new world. It’s funny that I think the series is pretty relentlessly cynical in world/universe view. Perhaps this is why I was so attracted to it as a teenager (an age where you can’t get enough cynicism). I think the ending veers away from this in presenting something quite heartwarming in its own way. Talking bollocks with a pal, in an unspoiled landscape with “What a wonderful world” playing in the background.
I love the transition of the song into the guide and the final stains of the theme. Works so well.
I’ve really enjoyed watching this again, and will probably never tire of its charms even as it dates.
12 July 2014 at 16:16 #28932Ahhh. Midnight. Apparently the last script to be written for this series as it replaced a story that didn’t pan out.
I think this is a real gem. Apparently RTD was getting sick of some of the criticism of his approach, and decided to cast himself in the role of guest writer for once. Whatever you think about him, he took his role as show creative very seriously, I think, realising he had to play to possibly the biggest age range in TV vieweship. To him that often meant spectacle first and foremost, but Midnight with limited sets, and palpable lack of obvious crowd-pleasing visuals shows of his real writing talents, especially for dialogue.
It could only work with a good guest cast, and they pulled one together pretty effectively. Great to see David Troughton as Professor Hobbes. He appeared in his Dad’s era in his final story, War Games and in Curse of Peladon. Actually, when I had the opportunity to see Enemy of the World recently, he also has a couple of cameos in that, but uncredited. Funny to see Colin Morgan as well, just as he was about to start work on Merlin.
Real star and one of the best guest turns must go to Lesley Sharp as Sky though. No idea how hard she and Tennant worked to get those dialogue exchanges so pitch perfect, but it was worth the effort. From the slightly distant and closed-in Sky, to the savant like repetition phase to her final sneering triumphalism as she dominates the Doctor, she’s pretty incredible.
Nice to see a real Doctor heavy episode as well, and Tennant turns in a great mirror performance to Sharp’s. Contrasting Sky’s original state, the Doctor is swaggering, engaging, open and a lot of fun as he disables the entertainment system to everyone’s relief and goes about charming people. To the attack on the rover and his attempts to calm the increasingly panicked and hostile passengers, and the final site of him traumatised by his experience, and Donna’s hug (in so many ways one of the most natural and warmest gestures I’ve seen in Who, and emphasising the type of relationship they had).
It’s also great because the enemy is unseen in its natural state. A shadowy poltergeist knocking on walls and possessing people. I’ve seem some people call for a return to Midnight to reveal the mystery. I think that misses a huge point in that some secrets deserve to be kept unknown. It’s what makes the unseen creature in this so memorable. And the Doctor is only saved by the self sacrifice of someone he hardly knows. In many ways, the one member of the expedition he doesn’t try to charm.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Russell, as the writer of Midnight reveals himself as a great guest writer. I can understand why he’s in no rush to return to the roster after exhausting himself, but I hope he does so in the future. The writer of Midnight would be a boon to any series.
12 July 2014 at 16:08 #28931Just to say I’m glad that @craig put the episodes up early today. It’s too bloody hot to do any of the numerous chores that have built up so I’m quite enjoying the induldence of an afternoon of retrospectives.
12 July 2014 at 16:06 #28930It would have been a very different beast that’s for sure. I honestly don’t think it would have lasted that long.
The choices are interesting. Burgess Meredith I wouldn’t have thought of in the role at all, but remembering his turn as The Penguin in the Batman series, I thought I could see why the idea appealed.
The ultimate laugh was for six though. I had a vision of an American equivalent of JNT going up to Christopher Walken and saying “this is what you’ll be wearing in the job”. I think there would have been fatalities.
12 July 2014 at 14:27 #28927Ha – I was doing a websearch for something else, and I came across this which raised a smile. One of those “alternative” lists of the Doctors history, but imagining American actors of the periods in the role. Quite funny, with some odd choices, but I think it was @whisht who suggested on the Next Doctor thread that Gene Wilder would have been a good choice.
It seems this guy thinks the same, casting him as the alternative Fourth Doctor.
12 July 2014 at 13:14 #28925I’ll pick up and reference a couple of comments from last time in the mix. I was enormously indebted to @janetteb regarding Lady Cranleigh’s dress. I’ve always found it naggingly familiar and I never realised it was retooled for Sophia Myles in Girl in the Fireplace. Good spot.
The second episode needs to do its work in a limited time to resolve things, and I think it does is pretty well. The attackee was Ann, Nyssa is busy castigating Adric for his continued porking at the buffet table, while Tegan is having a laugh charming Sir Robert.
Adric offers absolutely nothing to these episodes, and I think it’s really obvious that this dynamic wasn’t working for the writers as well as the cast. This series had largely seen one of the companions in each story becoming just a body in the corner. Or not appearing at all. I think @jimthefish was right – the argumentative “experiment” was just tiring and I think was the wrong way to go, threating to de-rail Davison from the off. Of all the companions of this time, I think Janet Fielding deserves most credit because I think there was definite change and growth in her character over time. I still maintain though that, looking at this, it would have been rewarding to inject Tegan with a bit more of this fun in other stories. I think she would have been more popular and a more natural foil for this laid back Doctor.
In a story that screams the potential for mistaken identity from the start with Ann/Nyssa it kind of wrong-foots you with the big case of mistaken identity being the Doctor accused of attacking Ann. Lady Cranleighs reticence in supporting the Doctor pretty clearly indicates she has something to hide. I think these scenes are well played – especially by Davison as the Doctor starts to realise that he’s starting to sound like a real Mad Man in a box to the others.
Brazil. Where the nuts come from.
……And the national team gets a whuping occasionally.
@timemaestro (hello) on the last thread mentioned that it seemed strange to see the Doctor parade his TARDIS to Sir Robert and a couple of plods, and it does seem to be a feature of Davisons era. It’s odd though – you’re under suspicion of a crime and reveal you’re an alien from another world. I think under realistic circumstances this would only increase suspicion more. 😀
The big joke of the series is that the Doctor can’t get Tegan back to Heathrow. He hasn’t got a clue where he’s going. Except when he’s in a story, and can navigate with pin-point accuracy. Here he ferries Sir Robert and the Police to the house, and in Earthshock takes a bunch of soldiers across the solar system. I think the revelation that the TARDIS was sentient and was trying to keep him entertained in her meandering way may mean she took a bit of a shine to Tegan as a stray, and wanted to keep her around for a bit.
The Doctors excellent deductions reveal the “villain” to be George Cranleigh – tortured, mute and driven mad by his experiences in South America. It seems a sad story, and one that can only end in more sadness.
No – I genuinely rate Black Orchid pretty highly. I mentioned in the last thread that the cast were pretty dismissive of it on the DVD commentary, and the reason is largely they thought it lacked the sci-fi lean. In truth when you look at this, it’s a historical period piece with a touch of the macabre in George, with a dose of murder mystery thrown in. As @blenkinsopthebrave mentioned last ep, the BBC were really doing a lot of this period work at the time, and it really wasn’t difficult to mount this production. It was the show drawing on the strengths of other productions at the BBC and it comes off well. Personally, I think we could have the odd episode like this (without obvious alien manace) in the new series without any harm to the brand whatsoever.
In the middle of a mixed first season for Davison (the first two stories, and the last are a pretty rough bunch) Black Orchid is in the middle of Kinda, Visitation and Earthshock. I think it measures up to those stories very well. presenting Something different.
12 July 2014 at 13:05 #28924Oh, congratulations @miapatrick. Splendid work! I hope the bow tied Mr@miapatrick will be treating you a celebratory drink tonight.
11 July 2014 at 23:56 #28898That certainly looks pan-galactic gargle blaster-ish to me.
Delighted to see Sanjeev though. We near completing another comedy set, this time from Goodness Gracious Me. We’ve had Meera Syal (Hungry Earth/Cold Blood) and Nina Wadia (Eleventh Hour). We just need Kulvinder Ghir to call house!
I just hope Sanjeev gets the time to record an extra, in which he has the opportunity to explain why Doctor Who is Indian!
If he can make the Queen Indian – anything goes.
11 July 2014 at 16:09 #28895No criticism of you @wolfweed. I’m glad you trawl the shallow end of the journalistic gene-pool instead of me! 😀 It’s good to know where the latest rant is going to come from. It’s an invaluable service for which I’m determined to buy you a beer for at some point.
The Broadcasters link you posted requires you to register, but for anyone interested the full text is on the G at http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/10/tony-hall-bbc-compete-compare-speech
Someone made the point on radio when I was travelling that it was an astute move within the BBC. Having it as a separate entity may mean earnings from overseas sales can be earmarked by department (for the first time), and that the Worldwide operation could theoretically commission material in the UK on behalf of BBC America.
My reading of it is that it would allow Worldwide/BBC America to fund speculative projects in the UK using British talent for the first time (rather than being a minor co-producer), which can only be a good thing. Now – how about that Paternoster Gang spin-off. 😀
11 July 2014 at 14:48 #28893You really do have to love the Mail. Normally Privatisation = Good, so it must have caused them a brain haemorrhage to print that story in an effort to write yet another complaint about the Beeb.
It’s palpable arse gravy anyway – BBC in-house drama gets it’s own identity, the ability to increase productions to other broadcasters (Cardiff should do pretty well) and Doctor Who will remain in-house (Hall was talking about new commissions and expanding the range of external production units to stuff like documentaries). It does offer the tantalising prospect of BBC Worldwide (and its subs) commissioning new progs directly in the UK based on commercial interest, which they have had difficulty with in the past.
The Mail – I wouldn’t read it. Even in the event that I couldn’t afford a real comic.
11 July 2014 at 14:36 #28892@fatmaninabox @jimthefish @scaryb
Many thanks for the kind words. I would have been happy with “It doesn’t completely suck”. 😉
Actually, given my natural feelings towards six, that’s really good. Do we have a candidate for our cover image for the six review?
From the GIMP forums they are looking to implement trial versions of Adjustment layers in the next major upgrade (3) and have them more or less finalised for 3.2 (which some think is optimistic). To be honest I used Photoshop before they became a big feature, and I’ve never grown to use them effectively, so I think it’s a case of “you never miss what you never had” for me.
In the end for my attempt at a Sepia look, I largely followed this online tutorial with a few tweaks. I think a bit more trial and error would get it “about right” (which is the nearest I’ll ever aim for). The fonts I download from here: The “Wanted” is Rio Grande, the Actors names NashVille and the character names Bleeding Cowboy, but you can see there are plenty to chew over.
8 July 2014 at 00:20 #28817I’ve been out all day, so missed the who-har-har. SM must be spitting blood and demanding a violent transfusion of blood from whoever did it. Well done to @wolfweed for early reporting though.
I’ll concur about not raising the drawbridge yet though. Let’s play it by ear. At least its early episodes, so I can’t believe there will be massive revelations to do with any arc.
8 July 2014 at 00:13 #28816Yes – good point re the MC in Cabaret. Though the “I mean that most sincerely folks” was pure Monkhouse in full cheese mode. 🙂
As an ex-Goth I think I side with Ford on this one. Looks great stylistically, but trying to do anything in that ship with all the black would make your brain bleed (I think that’s why Zaphod is impervious to his criticism).
Good to see you back and well await more impossible links later. I debated whether to link to your name or not, but in the end I thought “what the hell”.
Four and the Smith Doctor have a nice table for two. Not with each other – they’ve brought Romana and River on a date. They’re just about to realise that they booked the table next to each other.
Imagine – Double dating with another incarnation of yourself with another partner. The ultimate toe curling experience.
Yep – small article in that Galaxy spanning news organ “The Black Country Bugle” here on his origins. I think he’s been brilliant in virtually everything he’s been in. I’ll add Tory MP Stamper, in House of Cards/To Play the King. He’s been in loads though. Check out The Avengers A Touch of Brimstone and his later stuff and he hardly seems to age in most regards.
It’s a shame about modern who. He does have one BG credit though, and must have winced when a previously missing episode of The Underwater Menace came to light a few years ago. It’s not a great story anyway, but the returned episode features him and Patrick Troughton both fluffing a scene (which had some atrocious dialogue to contend with). Pic showing his great eyebrows in the ep.
I still have The Meaning of Liff and the follow up. Great books.
6 July 2014 at 16:10 #28776Hi, and welcome to the site. I’ve just removed the last section of your post. If you want to discuss anything spoiler related, I’d suggest you post in the dedicated spoiler section (link to it here). It hides information from the activity feed automatically.
Many thanks.
6 July 2014 at 15:39 #28775After discussing the possibility of a Sci-Fi western mini-season, I thought I’d have a quick look at imaging, because I was trying to remember how to get that sepia look manually (I use GIMP which is both great, free and has a funny name, but its inbuilt tools for that kind of thing are limiting).
Anyway – not perfect, but in compiling this, I ended up wishing we could afford a time machine to actually organise this to be filmed. We could call it “The Magnificent-ish Seven”.
6 July 2014 at 15:25 #28771An episode in which we learn many things, for instance, where our site colleague @arkleseizure got his name from. 🙂
I quite like the guide flagging up that the Human race have a gullibility rating of 9 following this sudden and unexpected rescue from sudden death. Shortly followed by the waiter asking:
“Do you have a reservation?”
To which the obvious response would be
“Yes – I’m not sure we should get away with an escape from a cliffhanger like that”
The waiter is just like every maître d’ I have ever come across in a high class swanky restaurant. Apparently courteous and patient, but simultaneously radiating utter contempt for his clientele. Do these guys go to the same school?!
“The Universe will explode for your entertainment later”
“Wow – what sort of drink do you serve here?!”@craig s right – you do expect to see the Doctor mixing it in Miliways. Any one of them would have worked in their own way. Still Ford is our Doctor substitute, and it’s up to him to introduce the world to Hotblack Desiato and Disaster Area.
Fun fact – the outrageous name Hotblack Desiato was picked by Adams because it was the name of a local estate agent in Islington. They still exist, so it looks like he has his own fan site http://www.hotblackdesiato.co.uk/ . I wonder how many bogus enquiries they get?
Oh, and it’s sci-fi royalty (in an odd way) as Hotblacks bodyguard. Dave Prowse, who played Darth Vader in body if not in voice. Why was that Dave? Oh – the voice. Let’s face it – it would have really diminished Vaders menace if he’d had that accent.
Ah – Tax and the annoying habit of the rich avoiding paying theirs – some jokes will never go out of fashion, unfortunately.
Another brilliant guest turn here from Colin Jeavons. Marvellous actor – his turn as the compare is great, swinging between the cheese of a gameshow host (70/80s Bob Monkhouse comes to mind), to creepy and then downright sinister. Wonderful stuff.
Peter Davison you would hardly recognise as the dish of the day. Makes me laugh. It’s also a very interesting satire on the squeamishness regarding where our food comes in. Hell, I’d forgotten the contingent from the Halls of Asgard. It would have to be Eleven and River with them, wouldn’t it?
Excellent to see that billions of years of hanging around haven’t dulled Marvin’s cutting sarcasm.
“I’ll be down in a minute”
“That’ll make two of us.”I can’t help but think, as they look for a new set of wheels to liberate, that Zaphod and Ford would be great for an interstellar version of Top Gear.
“Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow.”
Oh dear – They appear to have nicked a ship with Disaster Area stencilled on it. That can’t end well. They discover that – yes, you can have too much black.
I love the fact that it looks like an awful lot of the guide involves sex, despite the voiceover. Sex always sells.
Time to crash into the Sun! Hell if they can escape the last cliffhanger, this should be a doddle.
5 July 2014 at 21:58 #28765weren’t they the aliens that RTD2 said would be bigger than the Daleks?
I remember it well, it was on the sofa of BBC Breakfast, and said with the booming laugh and “nod and a wink” attitude of a man versed in irony who was excavating his cheek with his tongue.
It may have been reported in print in a different way, but anyone who saw him deliver that line would have realised he was most definitely taking the piss.
5 July 2014 at 21:52 #28764I think @craig s use of “screwball” comedy is a good one. It definitely has that flavour, and carries it off remarkably well. It really does help that Tennant and Tate are gifted comic players.
So – after the trials and tribulations of her aborted wedding (fiancée dead, having tricked her with the intention of feeding her to ravenous spiders fromthedawnatime) Donnas had a change of heart about travelling with the Doctor, and is looking for him.
Cue hilarity as they investigate the same problem while just about missing each other. It’s pretty funny, and gives us to perspectives on the problem. Actually, looking back on it, there may be more than a bit of forshadowing in this story for the end. Donna shows a similar flow of thought to the Doctor (even to them both using the dreaded ‘elf and Safety as a catch all excuse to be nosey).
I’m not a massive fan of the plot either. Society’s obsession with weight control is an interesting target to focus on, but I don’t think this hits (or even defines) it targets that well. The idea of a pill that would have that effect – Gordon Bennett, the Government would make it mandatory.
Sarah Lancashire as Ms Foster. Actually, I can take or leave Sarah Lancashire. I think her turn here is good enough, but it’s not one of the more memorable guest turns.
The most welcome guest star turns out to be Bernard Cribbins! Yay – he obviously had a good time in that little newsstand in Voyage of the Damned and is retconned as Donna’s Grandad. Seeking refuge with him on the hill with his telescope as they both dream of stars. It’s a lovely scene.
A nice little moment when Tennant starts excitedly explaining something to an audience that isn’t there, and looks a bit crestfallen. What’s the point of being the smartest man in the room, if you can’t demonstrate it to others? 😀
It comes alive with the final meeting between Donna and the Doctor as they mouth a conversation at each other. It genuinely raised another laugh tonight, as it always does – especially when they realise they aren’t alone. Thereafter, theres an awful lot of running and dangling from things. Very endearing.
The activation of the Adipose is quite entertaining. Look – the adipose themselves are pretty cute. I like the attention to detail on the CGI work with the various expressions and things. It’s amazingly how cheerful and animated computer generated blobs of fat can be.
So Ms Foster is the midwife for children who can’t be born on another world because it’s gone missing. How inconvenient. A bit naughty of her and, as the Doctor predicts, her employers aren’t above dispensing with an inconvenience. That’s a very cartoon moment when she suddenly finds herself floating in the air. I kept expecting a “WhaWhaWhaWhAAAAAAAAAA” note to creep into the soundtrack.
Yay – and Donna still wants to travel. The line about wanting a mate/wanting to mate was just what I wanted to hear. A season without mooning about between Doctor and Companion. That would be a relief.
So Donna runs to dump her keys and explain to any old bystander to inform the old bag known of mum where they are. Annnnnd….
Oh God, it’s Rose.
Still – the knowledge that there will be mooning at some point in this series is made up for by the last scene as Donna waves goodbye to Granddad. Again, a lovely scene for Mr Cribbins.
Gosh – we leap forward to the last four episodes of season 4 next, don’t we?
After watching all the first episodes of the RTD series, I think my favourite of them was probably Smith and Jones just before this. Despite a lot of charm in Partners in Crime, the central plot and design elements of Smith and Jones were stronger, I think.
5 July 2014 at 20:13 #28763Hooray for Peter Davison. Hooray for Black Orchid. Although, if you listen to the cast commentary on the DVD, you’ll note there isn’t a lot of love for this one. It’s a bit like Pertwee and Manning with Day of the Daleks.
It’s a bemusing start – an attack on someone, followed by a pervy approach to a sleeping woman who looks a bit familiar.
Oh, we’re in the packed TARDIS. Good job it is so much bigger on the inside. Shall I introduce the crew?
Adric – Boy mathematical genius and all purpose plot device. As companions go, responsible for the most gnashed teeth in Who history. Until Mel came along. All his family are dead, presumably in a bid to avoid him.
Nyssa – Aloof aristocratic Scientist from the Planet Traken (destroyed). To add insult to injury she has to spend time with Adric.
Tegan – Australian and self confessed “Mouth on legs”. An air hostess who is usually desperate to get back to Heathrow.I think the reason I like this so much is that, at two episodes, it has no room to manoeuvre for the conventional tricks of this season. You’ll note the complete absence of moaning, whinging and general arguments between the crew. This is very unusual. In a conventional four parter the trick was to devote half the first episode to it.
The dialogue on the train station has always amused me. Of course the Doctor would have loved to have been a train driver. Especially if it was a pointless exercise. This good natured badinage and Davisons relaxed delivery and wry smiles is actually pretty good. Hats off the Terrance Dudley, the writer, who was better known as the Producer of stuff like Doomwatch and Survivors.
Curious, the Doctor is expected. The Doctor has to be baffled here, ’cause lets face it, this was a period where he had no idea where he was going. How could anybody else? He’s enticed into the car with the strange man (setting a bad example to youngsters everywhere) by the promise of putting his Cricket outfit to the test.
Again I find myself being entertained by the Cricket scene, which must be a first for me (being entertained by Cricket, I mean). As Devastating Davison demonstrates his first eleven skills, the aliens look confused – as you would. Tegan being Australian of course means that she understands cricket. Again, lots of fun with the support cast who look like they’ve just stepped out of the Joan Hickson Miss Marple adaptations. Lots of fruity dialogue interspersed with “good shows”, etc.
Back to the big house and a party invite. Our attention is drawn to the Flower – no hanging about here – we only have two eps so let’s get cracking on the plot. It’s a Black Orchid which a famous Botanist returned from South America. Hmmmm Native American with the extended lip, flowers, botanist. I think I see a pattern.
Ohhh Nyssa has a double! Well, she wasn’t the first in the TARDIS. I’m convinced they commissioned this to cheer Sarah Sutton up after she found out they couldn’t be arsed to write her into Kinda. Nyssa had a headache when all that was going on (a headache was feasible – I did mention all the whinging didn’t I). I think Ann Talbot is a demonstration that Sarah can act. A lot of people complained she was wooden, but I think she was told to play Nyssa in a certain way. I think it’s a similar problem to Carole Ann Ford who was told to play Susan as aloof, cold, alien, etc.
Oh, the clown costume – I forget that. Couldn’t the Doctor have kept that for his successor. It’s a lot more tasteful than the clown costume he was issued with. 😉
Ah, the cunning mole on the shoulder trick – that’s going to come in useful in “identifying the right one” at some point, surely?
I really like Janet Fielding as Tegan in this one. More carefree, up for some fun. She’s a “great hoot”. It really is a shame they couldn’t inject some more fun for her on occasion. Adric just stands around porking away at the buffet, and generally being a party pooper. So what else is new?
As the Doctor gets lost in the house, discovering books on Botany (strokes chin) and the odd corpse in a cupboard, his costume is dancing with Ann. Or is it Nyssa? So who is in the Clown getup?
Oh, Clowns are evil. Another servant bites the dust, as does Nyssa/Ann in a totally unconvincing faint.
Cue the Music!!
You know, for an episode in which nothing earth shattering happens and the cast joke and goof about, that went by in a flash and was enormously entertaining.
5 July 2014 at 20:02 #28762In keeping with the tone of this story @wolfweed, I proclaim your picture to be both spiffing and topper. 🙂
5 July 2014 at 00:45 #28722Glad to know you’re on board for the rewatch. Be interested on your thoughts if you’ve now watched all BSG.
Yep – it’s Romo Lampkin. The Sheppard’s are a dynasty of sci-fi going back to his dad, Morgan (he played older Canton in that double parter). Just think – back in the 80s Day of the Triffids, hacking down a nasty plant, Bablyon 5 as a Soul Hunter, Star Trek, many more.
The Sheppard name is legend!
I’ve heard that one as well. 😀
I don’t think he would have dared turned down Who. His father, Morgan, always regretted having to turn down work in the Pertwee years (It was actually The Mutants, so lucky escape for him say I). The chance to unite them on ONE shoot – in modern DOCTOR WHO! (his idea). He must have laughed like an idiot!
It’s one of those things that virtually every show he’s on he gets people eulogising him in extra features. No wonder he gets invited back to tempt him to become a regular. My favourite story was in the series Medium. He played the very dead Charles Walker, a spirit who possessed people and made them do evil. After a traumatic scene involving the stars screen daughter, he was seen legging it up the road because he had to be on another set. All Patricia Arquette (the STAR) heard as she shouted after to congratulate him was “I have to be actually nice to some children on another set – see’s ya in the canteen”.
Let no one deny – when Moffat put the word “like the wheels” into his mouth he was channelling Mark Sheppard’s inner coolness.
4 July 2014 at 17:15 #28709@wolfweed @blenkinsopthebrave @bluesqueakpip
Huzzah – the mystery of the missing episode 10 is resolved.
While I know the Peter Jackson thing was enticing, I think Caroline Skinner, just before she left, said they were exploring it, but it came down to filming a couple of eps equivalent in NZ which the BBC don’t currently have firm production partners with. I think it may happen, but it would take a few years to sort out.
It’s funny, I can remember an interview with Danny Boyle and Frank Cottrell-Boyce after the Olympics opening ceremony went down very well, and them both saying they wanted to celebrate “the best of British”. Frank mentioned Doctor Who about 3 times in 15 minutes, which showed he was pitching for a job I think. 😀 (the opening ceremony for the Olympics featured the Tardis sounds and a couple of clips in the surrounding video montages).
Interesting choice with Sheree Folkson for Director. She did the RTD/Tennant Casanova amongst others. All looking very intriguing.
4 July 2014 at 17:01 #28708@bluesqueakpip @midnyt @jimthefish @purofilion
Oh, you have to love Mark Sheppard. I’m convinced he’s on a one man mission to simplify this whole “six degrees of separation” thing by appearing in just about every genre show possible. Usually in an extremely memorable way.
I have a massive soft spot for Shindig myself, but the flavour of the Western is in just about every episode of that series to one extent or another, so it’s up to whichever fine person on the board writes up a blog for it.
4 July 2014 at 16:59 #28707Hey, don’t let anyone put you off your intro to Colin.
I always think it’s much fairer to let Colin put you off himself. 😉
Only joking – some people really do like him, so what the hell. I have kept a note of those people who did ask for him to be featured though, and will be mentioning them in a post later, nearer to the date to make sure they are all aware they can leap in with comments about him. Otherwise it may be a depressing experience.
I also intend to do the man himself full justice and hopefully do a one-off blog on Blake’s 7 which I promised @tardisblue. Just imagine – two 45 minute episodes of Colin as The Doctor AND his appearance as Bayban the Butcher.

You’ll be spoiled, I tell you!
3 July 2014 at 17:36 #28688Oh yes, Baker Mk II! I’ll leave the nominations for a couple of weeks but I seem to remember that the nominations were Vengeance on Varos and the Daleks one (in which he doesn’t actually appear much). Varos seemed the clear favourite by a country mile, but we’ll ask again later and include Mark of the Rani.
Anyone asking for Twin Dilemma or the full Trial of a Time Lord will be taken out to be shot behind the chemical sheds.
3 July 2014 at 17:35 #28687@jimthefish @bluesqueakpip @blenkinsopthebrave @scaryb
Oooh – thanks for the feedback. Sounds like a plan. I’d be interested in comparing the two myself Who stories myself.
I thought it would be good if there was enough interest to launch it as a “plan” later on when the sites more busy and ask if anyone wanted to contribute a blog (or Blogs) on anything cowboy/sci-fi related as it’s a big field as @blenkinsopthebrave suggests.
I think episodes from other series could just be profiled in the blog format we tried for The Avengers: Too many Christmas Trees. I thought Firefly because we do have a fair few fans of the Whedon on board (and it’s a natural).
Dwarf’s Gunmen of the Apocalypse I’d write quite happily as I have a lot of time for it. It has some interesting counterpoints to how Who came back, and it’s worth watching if only to see how they crammed so much into a half hour sit-com (with its associated atrocious budget). You really do have to admire the enterprise. It also won an international Emmy and featured the mighty Dennis Lil who has a couple of Doctor Who credits (including the forthcoming The Awakening).
At the very least – a blog of personal selections of Sci-Fi/Cowboy crossovers would be good asking people to nominate Good, Bad and Ugly examples of stories from books, film, TV, comics, etc. That way we could cover a lot of ground (Westworld, Star Trek, Stephen King, etc.).
2 July 2014 at 23:07 #28659On the subject of retrospectives, I mentioned back during the voting on Pertwee I had concerns over the start date for the Capaldi series, when attention will rightfully be on the new boy.
With a start date of 23rd August, and a continuous (we hope) 12 week run that’ll end on 8th November.
Our Davison serials will take us to 26th July. A two part Baker mk. II story will take us to the 9th August, leaving us the 16th blank in the leadup to the 23rd.
I’d suggest we cover the McCoy in the period after Series 8 finishes and Christmas, if everyone is agreeable?
2 July 2014 at 23:04 #28658@bluesqueakpip – Apologies for the delay in responding. After a brief chat with @miapatrick on Sunday I lost internet connection, and was away earlier in the week.
Looking at the vote for Peter Davison, it’s the double bill of Black Orchid and The Awakening, which for those committed to collecting the DVDs means a (relatively) expensive four weeks.
Both are substantially cheaper at the BBC shop. Black Orchid is on its own – £6.49
As you pointed out – spurious partnership of the millennium goes to a box set of The Awakening with the First Doctors The Gunfighters, the Earth Story box set is £9.49.
Perhaps as payback to those citizens of the Forum who invest, we could demand The Gunfighters as the next Hartnell serial? Over its four weeks we could partner it up with A Town called Mercy and look at other sci-fi cowboys (Red Dwarf Gunmen of the Apocalypse, an ep of Firefly, etc) to produce a rootin-tootin lower-than-a-rattlesnake retrospective in January?
29 June 2014 at 17:21 #28592Welcome back @miapatrick ! Hope your study is going well.
I’m glad someone else has enjoyed it. Eva Green has been a standout for me in the series, which I didn’t automatically expect. I think the way they played the cards on her story (particularly revealing her childhood association with the Murray’s) was really well done.
I thought I’d mention the comic book source for the League because the film is no advertisement for it. The first collection is very good, but the second (and last of the Victorian era) is excellent, set against the Martian invasion of War of the Worlds. I think you (and many others) would enjoy it because they are stuffed with obscure literary references from the period.
It’s also the only work you’ll get to see Nemo’s nautilus in a stand-off against Martian tripods, while the team tries to secure a biological weapon from Dr Moreau. Worth it alone,for Mr Hyde becoming a hero in a number of ways, finally “hulking out” to halt the advance of the tripods. It’s brilliantly barmy.
29 June 2014 at 15:37 #28588Has anyone been watching Penny Dreadful? I don’t have Sky, but my brother recorded it for me, and I’ve just got the finale to get (probably in a couple of weeks).
It’s an odd one, because it shows the progressive move of TV to ape Movie and move into the world of Comic Books for ongoing franchising. I’ve followed a few conversations elsewhere that are a bit too strident about denying any influence of Alan Moore on this (“he wasn’t the first guy to mix ‘n’ match historical genre, you know”). No – he wasn’t the first – but he’s certainly the most influential, and I think Penny Dreadful is the closest thing to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen you’re likely to get.
The League saw a number of famous genre characters “team up” in an Avengers Assemble kind-off way. You had African explorer Allan Quatermain, Mina Harker from Dracula, Captain Nemo, Doctor Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, An Invisible Man. Jolly good fun as they battle threats to the British Empire under the direction of the mysterious “M”. It revelled in presenting the darker side of Victoriana. The bits that the politicians don’t probably mean when they call for a return to good old Victorian values. It’s all seedy, with Quatermain in particular being a burnt out opium junkie.

The film they made really could never do that side of things justice, particularly when you casted someone like Sean Connery in the lead (who wasn’t about to play someone like that). It became a more camp action flick with very little bite, and therefore died the death.
Penny Dreadful returns to the idea, but keeps the filth and depravity. Characters change, and the toybox of literary references expands to include Victor Frankenstein and his creature. One of the additions to the movie, Dorian Gray is seen here. Instead of Mina being in the group she’s missing, in the grip of a fearsome undead creature her father (Timothy Dalton as Sir Michael Murray, an African explorer that in no way resembles Quatermain, no indeedy) has recruited other talents to locate her.

It lurches between very good drama and the eye-wincing (and in the case of Billie Piper’s Irish accent, ear bleeding) corn with gay abandon. It’s one of those projects that I think people should have taken a deep breath and thought a little bit more about. It looks fantastic though.
Some of the strands and performances are very good. The Victor one, with Harry Treadaway as Victor and Rory Kinnear as his monster, Caliban, has a few interesting flourishes. Eva Green impresses me as Venessa Ives, who is a bit like Mina from the comics, but with a serious case of Demonic possession. People who remember The Exorcist with fondness will have a field day with her story.
It’s also got some lovely turns from familiar faces like Simon Russell Beale, Helen McCrory and David Warner. All very peculiar. Not worth getting Sky for, but try to catch it if you can.
29 June 2014 at 14:44 #28586… and the Great Escape
In retrospect, that has to have been a missed opportunity for eleven. Remember the throw away scene in Impossible Astronaut with the tunnel to the camp commandants office?
Having the Doctor (with the obvious football skills of Matt Smith) spending time in a concentration camp and leading a series of escape attempts culminating in a successful Christmas break out could have channelled every single PoW camp (and you’re right. There were so many).
The football skills from the Lodger could have given us our Escape to Victory moment. Who would have needed Pele? 😀
I’ll echo your sentiments about Morvin and Foon. They were very nice performances from both.
In the genre, there are always the most sympathetic characters who die. Where this really breaks the tradition is that usually someone unpleasant lives, but speaks movingly at the end about learning a vital life lesson, before going on to become a great philanthropist. In this, the genuine arse revels in his remaining an absolute arse.
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