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27 December 2014 at 12:23 #36482
Clara’s new gaff is clearly not in Cumbria – the rooftop shows an expansive city in the background and I think we are to assume it is London.
The rooftop view is part of the dream. I base this theory on the evidence that Santa, Ian and Wolf have just crashed into the chimney. 😀
Also, the city looks like something out of a Dickens movie. Dream London, I’d say.
We don’t really see the outside of the real house; it’s obviously not Clara’s flat, because we do travel up the stairs and see a downstairs sitting room. I’d still go with the family insisting on Clara spending Christmas with them; they’re clearly close enough that her Dad phones regularly (Bells of St John), emails her (Time of the Doctor), Dad and Grandma will travel to London to have Christmas Dinner with her (ditto) and Gran (at a minimum) comes down to comfort her when Danny dies (Dark Water).
The bed’s also different, and the set dressing is different. In fact, the set dressing at the end is subtly different to the set dressing at the beginning – it looks like the same bed throughout, but the lamp on the bedside table in the dream-bedroom looks like the one from Clara’s flat. I could be wrong about this, though, because for some mysterious reason the director chose not to give us many close-ups of the bedside table lamp. 😉
Clara’s clearly mixing times and places in her dreams (as you do), because when she’s having a Christmas with Danny, in their house, she thinks her Dad lives close enough to drop round unexpectedly.
26 December 2014 at 19:56 #36438@spider – yes, I think they were just reusing the set.
Probable sequence of events: the Doctor lies successfully to Clara, goes off in gloom, decides he’s going to go and sit and sulk. The best place for sulking will be the volcano he based the dream on, because then he can sit and think how Clara betrayed him and, you know, really sulk. Because he’s just lied through his teeth so that she can be happy and now he’s miserable and she doesn’t deserve it because she was willing to let them both die and …
… yeah, really sulk. By the volcano. It matches his mood.
At which point the dream crab gets him. Perhaps he thought about them, in a ‘I’d rather be living a fantasy life than this’ sort of way. 😉
26 December 2014 at 16:16 #36432I’m not sure if that was ever the case.
I think we were deliberately teased to try and inject some real suspense into the ending. And I suspect that there were some scripts that only had the ‘dream’ ending, as if it were the real ending – possibly the Mirror got hold of one of those, or possibly their source was someone who could only see that script and didn’t know there was another scene.
Or possibly there were several other scenes, all filmed in that same bedroom set. The one story I do find exceptionally unlikely is the tale that Jenna Coleman ‘changed her mind at the last moment’. I’m sure the production team like her, and she and Capaldi obviously like and are good at working together, but Companions really aren’t that hard to replace.
It did make it much more fun; because I was genuinely not sure whether or not Jenna Coleman was leaving, I genuinely didn’t know how the story was going to end. I enjoyed that; it’s nice to be a bit uncertain in this age of advance announcements and front page spoilers.
26 December 2014 at 13:07 #36424@all – I thought that the big house was her Dad’s. Remember, he lives in Cumbria, not London.
It would make sense that her family would insist that she couldn’t possibly spend Christmas alone, in London, in a flat that would remind her of Danny every waking second.
26 December 2014 at 00:59 #36394Face reality or have your brains sucked out like ice-cream seems a bit harsh for a Christmas message
Not quite the message, I think.
Yes, it was certainly ‘you can’t live in a dream-world, you’ll die.’ But it wasn’t the Mr Gradgrind version; what saves them from living in a dream-world is Santa Claus. An possibly-imaginary friend who is trying to be helpful. Well, that’s what friends do – even possibly-imaginary ones. 🙂
Probably also a message to all those zealots who talk about the ‘Santa Claus Lie’; Series 8 has been talking about lying quite a lot. Lying can hurt people, lying can lead to people making entirely the wrong decision – and lying is an essential survival skill.
More, lying is an essential part of being human. If you cannot lie, you cannot imagine the world to be anything other than what it is. If you can’t lie, you can’t wake up from the nightmare that can be real life – because you can never imagine that it might be different.
To lie is to say that the world is something other than it is. It’s the first step towards making it different. And, hopefully, better.
Merry Christmas!
25 December 2014 at 22:31 #36383@miapatrick and @pedant
It explains why the Doctor didn’t recognise that Orson looked exactly like an older Danny. Orson had a different personality to Danny, so he ‘looked’ nothing like him. It also makes perfect sense from the point of view of the long backstory. Gallifreyans are semi-telepathic, and periodically change their physical appearance.
They don’t really ‘see’ what people look like, they ‘see’ who they are.
25 December 2014 at 22:20 #36381I think that Danny truly found a way to reach out to her
I think that may have been a similar thing to AutonRory truly being Rory; Clara remembered Danny so perfectly that the Dream Danny she brought into being was Danny.
25 December 2014 at 19:21 #36372And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how to do ‘and then they woke up and it was all a dream’.
😀The broadband held up, apart from some very brief freezes. I’m glad it did, because I really, really enjoyed that one. Probably Moffat’s best since A Christmas Carol, but in a totally different way.
Merry Christmas, one and all!
20 December 2014 at 19:46 #36303I could’ve given him tips on growing decorative vegetables
Brave choice. 😉
Congrats on passing your assessments.
20 December 2014 at 15:38 #36298I got Hartnell. Though, currently, I am in black and white. 🙂
17 December 2014 at 22:16 #36261@purofilion
Problem is, it may be some suspect brand that is uber huge and won’t fit. Also, it may leak.
This sounds strangely familiar. 😉
17 December 2014 at 08:08 #36251Can’t help you with that one, since the Bluesqueakpip extended family seemingly has a gene for ‘utterly useless and inappropriate present buying.’ Over the years we’ve simply resorted to everyone telling everyone else what they want – and in some cases, buying what we want, the other family member providing their card details.
Or just sending a cheque. Cheques are good. 😉
The alternative was things like boxer shorts (for a woman) or a hot water bottle cover shaped like a toy animal (for a man). Dog blankets for someone who hasn’t got a dog would fit right in. 😀
As well as the ‘what will you buy for your ‘me-to-me’ Christmas pressie, has anyone else got ‘and one year I got’ stories?
14 December 2014 at 00:02 #36200Catching up, slowly. Just imagine I’m watching it on a VHS recorder.
Yes, poor old Perkins. But I agree this is a brilliant episode for Ace and very much shows the character as the forerunner of the AG series companions. She has a story beyond ‘wandered into the TARDIS and would like to get back to Coal Hill School/Heathrow Airport/anywhere I’m not being chased by Cybermen.’ 😉 And her frustration is nicely written – she obviously realises something is going on. But is it because the Doctor is manipulative and secretive by nature? Or is there something that he’s hiding from her?
I agree that the flirt with the marine was a bit risque for the time – unfortunately all I could think of throughout was Captain Jack’s ‘You’re not his type’. Though I’m not quite sure who wasn’t whose type. 😉
Yes, the vampire girls (and the vampires generally) are the one let-down in a sterling display of excellent character acting. I’m not sure whether that’s because the director (Nicholas Mallet) simply didn’t know what to do with them, or because the rubber masks of the period made it almost impossible to do anything other than walk in a straight line, hands held out in a spooky manner – because the girls were leading a group of actors who couldn’t see.
Certainly, I note that Sylvester McCoy has to practically throw himself at the vampires to get them to grab him, and one of the vampires fighting Ace falls to the ground when her arm flails past his nose.
That cliffhanger was fantastic. If anything, I think the glowy green eyes were overdone. Dinsdale Landen nailed the switch to Fenric without them.
7 December 2014 at 17:17 #36091@littlepengwing – you literally have to look for ’10th Doctor’s Fob Watch’. Or sometimes they’re called the ‘David Tennant Fob Watch.’ If your friend is after metal, go for ‘prop replica’.
Frankly, the two watches are so astonishingly similar, I suspect they reused the prop. 😉
5 December 2014 at 13:05 #36039@pedant – I got exactly the same, right down to the question I got wrong. 🙂
1 December 2014 at 22:32 #35982Found: underneath the old sofa.
- One ‘ban Black Friday’ placard.
- A copy of the Guardian.
- A brown warehouse coat.
- A patch for ‘inducing dreams’ which is apparently ‘For Medical Use Only’. Honest.
- A Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato sandwich.
- A birthday card.
- A cup of coffee (half drunk)
- A student edition of Framework Maths 9, with ‘Ozzie loves the squaddie’ written inside the back cover.
Also assorted loose change, biscuit crumbs, bits of chalk and some hay.
😉
1 December 2014 at 21:32 #35964In honour of both The First Scottish Doctor and the last appearance of the Brig (well, the last appearance as played by Nicholas Courtney) in the main series, how about decamping to a hotel?
The Gore Crow Hotel. Has its own microbrewery on site, rooms available for overnight stays, be careful of any stray swords lying around. 🙂
1 December 2014 at 10:39 #35945@scaryb
Sounds like our ratings crisis might continue into Series Nine 😈More seriously, you can see why the BBC don’t bother about a set time for Who. Over a third of the audience time shift? That’s incredible!
And oddly appropriate for a show about time-travel. 😉
1 December 2014 at 00:40 #3593330 November 2014 at 20:24 #35928Apparently the official SMG fan site had a blanket ban on all shipping discussion
I’m not surprised. The Bangel versus Spuffy debates could get … nasty. 😈
[For those of you who have no idea what I’m talking about, think RTD vs Moffat debates with added angst]
and @phaseshift – happy belated birthday. 🙂
29 November 2014 at 19:08 #35906Well, I don’t like postmodern relativism either. I just disagree that this episode is an example of it.
Why on earth would a story need to say ‘by the way, the Earth is round, we have winter every year, and Britain is an island?’
I mean, you do have to set the scene a bit if Who lands in the Peninsula War. But World War II? In an episode broadcast when it was within the living memory of half the population? No.
29 November 2014 at 18:10 #35902it is the complete absence of historical context
The thing I think you are forgetting is that this episode was broadcast in the United Kingdom in 1989. There was absolutely no need for the story to provide ‘historical context’. None.
The historical context had already been provided. By grandparents, and by comics, and by The Great Escape and The Battle of Britain being shown on the telly practically every year. By children’s books set in World War II and drama series on the telly. By ‘Allo ‘Allo! and Escape from Colditz.
I think every child watching knew we were the good guys, that the Nazi’s were the bad guys, that the stakes were the invasion of our country and the murder of our people. And the ‘glasnost’ then happening in the old Soviet Union meant that it was a good time to remind people that the Soviets were our allies in WW2. The children would have been properly horrified at the thought of poison gas, and quite ready to accept that this was the evil of Fenric at work.
The ‘moral relativism’ was for the adults. Was it really right for us to bomb civilians? Was that when we lost our faith in ourselves, when we helped to kill children and create the Dresden firestorm?
You have to understand, that the eighties were the first period when it was really possible to ask that question. For those who’d been bombed to bits by the Luftwaffe, there was no question. They didn’t give a shit whether it was ‘right’ – they just wanted to strike back at the bastards who’d killed their children and destroyed their homes.
In the story, Dresden is mentioned as a target for the poison; adults would probably recognise the reference.
Victory of the Daleks asks a very similar question, but in a different sort of way; and assumes a lot less background knowledge. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe casts a bomber pilot as a brave man doing his duty.
Which is, I think, right.
29 November 2014 at 14:09 #35893@pedant and @danmartinuk
Agreed. Given that the BBC has recently been a very leaky ship indeed, it seems astonishing that the casting of the new companion hasn’t leaked.
Leaving one to the suspicion that it hasn’t leaked because there isn’t a new companion. Either Jenna Coleman isn’t leaving, or they’re going to be using the semi-regulars on a rotating basis, or they’re doing a Deadly Assassin Mk 2.
23 November 2014 at 16:10 #35840@galasura – if you ever get the chance to watch the drama-doc An Adventure In Space And Time, you’ll see that they made a very deliberate decision to not give the Doctor’s ‘real date’.
So we don’t know. Obviously the Gallifreyans do, since Missy knew when his birthday was. 😈 But we don’t.
23 November 2014 at 08:47 #35829Further to @fatmaninabox‘s request, I’m posting this here.
Slightly ironically, considering our robust disagreement yesterday, the BBC website has published a piece on their ‘Ouch’ section. It’s about ‘The meaning of Mongol‘.
18 November 2014 at 12:37 #35734I don’t think the mutual trust extended all that far,
There is a saying attributed to Churchill, after he’d made a speech supporting Stalin, following the German invasion of the Soviet Union:
If Hitler invaded Hell, I would find a few kind words to say about His Satanic Majesty.
😉
18 November 2014 at 10:25 #35730I agree that, for example, Jenna Coleman, would have done the baby scene better – Sophie Aldred is – look, if she’d been playing solely to an audience of under sevens, they’d have all got that she didn’t like her mother. It’s a bit large print.
But if you hire a jazz musician and then ask them to play classical, don’t be too surprised if they’re competent, but not great. Likewise, if you hire a science journalist, don’t be surprised if their assigned article on loan sharks in the East End is less than prize winning.
As you say, it’s not a reflection on her. It really isn’t a reflection on her; Ace often gets voted one of the best of the BG companions. They were actually lucky in her casting – having cast her for one set of skills, she was okay when they asked her to play something outside her professional experience.
You only have to look at the Sixth Doctor to realise how badly wrong JNT’s lack of casting sense could go. 😉
17 November 2014 at 23:24 #35726@pedant – in terms of length, Lord of the Rings is a minnow swimming next to the mighty whales that are George R. R. Martin and Robert Jordan. 😈
17 November 2014 at 21:36 #35723Sophie Aldred tends to show that she doesn’t really have the acting chops to carry it off successfully
She was actually a Children’s Theatre actor when cast, and has since had a very busy career in Children’s TV, both acting and presenting. Given that her predecessor was Bonnie Langford, you can see where the casting direction was going.
If you have toddlers, you might have heard her as the voice of Tom, in Tree Fu Tom. 😉
17 November 2014 at 12:41 #35718I thought that marriage or pregnancy meant instant dismissal from the armed forces then.
Marriage, definitely not. Not during WW2; a lot of ‘normal’ regulations got relaxed.
Pregnancy: usually, a pregnant servicewoman got sent on indefinite unpaid leave rather than being instantly dismissed – I suppose this was because there was the possibility of adoption (unmarried servicewomen) or something going wrong (married servicewomen), in which case the woman could return to duty at another base.
But coming back with a baby would be highly unusual, to say the least, though there were quite a few older servicewomen (in WW2) with grown-up children.
16 November 2014 at 21:49 #35693@arbutus – what you said 😉
15 November 2014 at 13:32 #35594@phaseshift – yes, I’m glad your brother’s getting better too.
I thought it, but somehow forgot to post it.
14 November 2014 at 02:06 #35516And a lot of you regulars over there didn’t show up this year, prob for the same reasons.
It was the same reasons. Or at least, I’m commenting a lot less over there because the negativity seems relentless; I watch a perfectly good episode (which later gets a ‘good’ or excellent AI rating, so it’s not just me) and log on over there to discover a stream of variations on ‘that was awful’. 🙁
And the same people come back every week to say how awful it is. Why, why are they watching?
Anyway, sorry you have to put up with it. Hope you have fun on Monday. 😉
14 November 2014 at 01:22 #35506But do Zygons not revert to their original form if the person they’re imitating dies?
Well, if the Eighth Doctor Audios are now canon – not necessarily.
14 November 2014 at 01:15 #35504@purofilion
The Guardian has a long and proud history of typographical errors. So long, and so proud, that its UK nickname is The Grauniad, or Graun for short. 😈
14 November 2014 at 00:32 #35498Well, in regard to the ‘Bring back Osgood!’ movement.
I think Ingrid Oliver will be back. But as Zygon!Osgood. Why?
Because:
- it will keep the impact of Osgood’s death.
- it will give us a ‘good’ Zygon.
- a good Zygon will fit right in with the Moffat theme of ‘no race consists of 100% monsters’
We already know something about Zygon!Osgood. Firstly, they’ve got a really nice line in verbal knife-twisting (the first scene with Osgood). Secondly, they were happy to keep quiet – rather than bust up a fair treaty – when the two Osgoods discovered which race they each were. So they’re already a long way to joining Mme Vastra, Strax, Dalek Rusty, CyberBrig etc as an example of ‘monster on the Doctor’s side’.
A Zygon Osgood could be a lot of fun… 😉
13 November 2014 at 10:17 #35432@rmfgotenks – theories are fine. Incidentally, that was my theory for Series 8; that they’d booked Jenna Coleman as the new Doctor. She’s very Doctorish. 😉 It was a great theory until a certain Peter Capaldi ruined it. 😀
However, the rule on this site is NO spoilers – except in the Spoilers thread. We even have a separate blog for trailers. That way both those who enjoy discussing spoilers and those who don’t can stay happy.
Information from the TVguide and ‘here and there’ would, I’m afraid count as spoilers. Though to be truthful, it’s more gossip; there are also counter-rumours wandering around. They are all rumours – I have no idea what’s true and what’s not.
Rule of thumb: did you get your information off an official BBC site? No? Then, if it’s definite, it’s a spoiler.
Incidentally, I’m an actor and I’ve worked as an actor’s agent; I can think of a lot of reasons why both sides might plan for a several series Capaldi Doctor and yet agree that it’s best to sign rolling one series contracts. As I said, gossip and rumours. He could be signed on until Christmas, he could be signed on until Christmas 2020, or his agent could be taking it year by year because Capaldi doesn’t want to be committed to the next showrunner after Moffat – until he knows who it is.
12 November 2014 at 19:52 #35403@geoffers – you’ve misunderstood stuff. People were not writing for Matt Smith because they were expecting him to be in Series 8, they were writing for a Doctor rather like Matt Smith. Because they didn’t know who the new Doctor was.
What Jamie Mathieson actually said was:
Only the version of the Doctor I’d been writing had been a generic vaguely Matt Smith version.
(My emphasis)
Capaldi had only just been announced and this was supposed to be the meeting where I discovered Steven’s vision for the new Doctor’s character.
Or in other words, Jamie Mathieson hadn’t been on the ‘need to know’ list about exactly who had been cast. But he knew it wasn’t Matt Smith, so his first drafts had to be ‘generic Doctor’.
12 November 2014 at 16:43 #35394So long as we don’t discover a bunch of Cybermen trying to divert it…
12 November 2014 at 16:30 #35392Everyone
And in the middle of all our discussion on science fiction, some science fact that feels like a Doctor Who adventure.
Philae has successfully landed on a comet.
Many congratulations to the European Space Agency. 😀
12 November 2014 at 12:08 #35387since this series was originally intended to be smith’s last,
From various interviews Matt Smith has given, it’s the other way round. His Doctor was originally intended to finish after the 50th Anniversary Special – but when he was so very successful, they did discuss extending his run to Series 8.
He felt that it was best to stick to the original plan because, if he didn’t, he might never want to leave.
Series 5, 6 and 7 do follow a three act format – which is probably why Series 6 has always been felt to be a bit unsuccessful. It’s the middle act.
12 November 2014 at 11:15 #35386I’d forgotten these. And I have a pretty good memory!
Hypnotic, isn’t she? 😀
Seriously, it’s quite possible that there was a line – and either time constraints meant it got left out, or they felt in editing that it made it too apparent that UNIT, throughout the episode, reacts very strangely towards Missy.
They fall into her trap, take her to the same place as the Doctor, leave her conscious and minimally guarded – and yet they have extensive records on the Master. They know he’s able to break out of high security prisons, persuade his jailers to throw in with him, make the entire country vote for him. They know all this, and yet they behave so stupidly you’d think there was some kind of mass hypnosis going on. 😉
The only sensible member of UNIT is the Brig, who we know has managed to resist being controlled. He just shoots her. And probably only waits as long as he does to make sure that – this time – the Doctor is willing to execute his old friend.
11 November 2014 at 23:59 #35369For the many millions of DW fans who’ve joined in since 2005, The Master being good at hypnotism isn’t known.
Which is a bit weird, really, because it was sort of a major plot point in Sound of Drums.
11 November 2014 at 15:00 #35347Seeing as how they magically re-introduced a character who had most definitely been obliterated (which is in no way explained) AKA the Master/ Mistress/Missy
Returning after definite, absolute, no-holds-barred obliteration is a feature of the Master. So I don’t see why Missy should miss out. (Sorry) Equally, the Master’s Before Gap explanation usually consisted of ‘I escaped!’, so there’s really no need for her to explain anything. She escaped. Again. 😉
How do I feel about the Doctor becoming a woman? I feel that the casting process for the Doctor will now probably become an open call for both male and female actors. I feel that – at some point – a woman actor is going to walk in and do a Matt Smith. That is, she will so obviously nail the role, the minor point that she wasn’t the casting type they were thinking of won’t matter.
And if they cast a woman because she has obviously nailed the role, five minutes after she goes on screen as the Doctor – the audience won’t care that the new Doctor is a woman. Just as they didn’t care that that Matt Smith bloke seemed to be about twelve.
You pick someone who nails the role. Do that, and we’ll all end up wondering what the fuss was about.
🙂
11 November 2014 at 13:56 #35346I don’t really think that we can compare the boy’s return to a teleport. CAL stored the original body and brought it back later.
Unless your SF teleport is the type that sends all our little molecules down a beam, a teleport is just a way of recording and reconstructing information.
The people inside CAL had no physical existence. She’d stored their information – including the information on the physical constitution of their bodies, as decoded by the teleport. But without the teleport, she didn’t have that information – so people who got munched had to stay in virtual reality.
@mudlark was pointing out that you can’t reconstruct a body from what’s left, because there ain’t that much left. I’d suggest that the reason Missy was targeting the consciousness back at the various graves was because the nano-wotsits preferred a genetic match with the information stored to rebuild a body. Hence why Danny ended up back in Danny.
[It would also fit the pattern seen in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances – the nano-wotsits needed a proper genetic match.]
But the boy’s return definitely suggests that there was enough information stored to be able to rebuild his body, rather than a Cyber-body, from scratch.
11 November 2014 at 10:23 #35338We’ve already seen how the boy could be returned from the dead with a new body. I think Moffat’s gone a metaphorical rather than a literal route this series, and the metaphorical explanation is given in Time Heist. The teleport brings Psi and Saibra ‘back from the dead’.
Now, think about an SF teleport. It stores information about both consciousness and the physical body, breaks the original body/consciousness down (death) then reconstructs it at another place (return from death). That’s what CAL did in the Library; the people who were being teleported were ‘saved’.
As @mudlark points out, there’s really not much left of us after a relatively short period in the ground and there’s definitely not much left after cremation. Missy would need to have uploaded sufficient physical information to reconstruct at least a Cyber-body. Using nano-wotsits/Cyber-pollen, okay, but you’d still need the basic template.
If she’s using teleport tech to do that, then it will record sufficient physical information to effectively teleport the boy out of the Nethersphere. Just as CAL managed to teleport Donna out of the Library. Even though, for several hours, she only had a virtual existence.
The whole thing is a perverted ‘Resurrection’ – I think riffing off David Tennant’s comment that the Master essentially plays the Devil in the Who Mythology. Instead of waiting out the disembodied existence in Heaven, the dead are in a virtual underworld (Hell). The Resurrection into a new-and-better body is perverted into a resurrection into a metal monster.
There’s even the prospect of an Apocalypse battle between Good (the Doctor) and Evil (the Daleks) – but the Doctor rejects the temptation of playing God when he rejects Missy’s Army of Evil.
It’s really good stuff (and the Master clearly did a bit of Bible reading during The Daemons, when he was being the Reverend Magister). 😉
11 November 2014 at 00:25 #35300@pedant – I was thinking that too, though from a slightly different perspective. It would be more fun for Ingrid Oliver to be playing Zygon!Osgood.
On Clara: at least we now know why the TARDIS never liked her. The TARDIS knew who’d selected her as the Doctor’s Companion.
10 November 2014 at 23:47 #35295How does Clara know so much about the Doctor? Yes, they’re close, but the Doctor has never said a thing about four wives, and is always reticent to talk about his past.
Clara’s met Wife No. 2 (River), Wife No. 4 (Queen Elizabeth I – Clara threw confetti) and may well have been told about Wife No. 3 as a funny story during the Smith Doctor’s incarnation. The Smith Doctor was very prone to telling funny stories about himself.
Wife No. 1 and the children and grandchildren could be residual Claricle memories; she doesn’t say she can’t remember, just that she ‘sort of’ remembers. Gallifreyan!Claricle met both the First Doctor and Susan (very briefly). While the Doctor is reticent, a conversation starting with ‘Who was that girl with you when you stole the TARDIS?’ would probably result in the ‘missing, presumed dead’ explanation.
Did anyone notice that during Clara’s “doctor” impersonation, Jenna Coleman’s delivery seemed eerily close to David Tennant’s?
Yes. Strangely, she also sounded incredibly like David Tennant in her very first appearance; Asylum of the Daleks.
Given the amount of detail that was on Cyber-file about her, about the only bonkers theory left is that she was adopted – and no-one, including her adoptive parents, knows that. [The little lad in Night Terrors was in that situation.]
Otherwise, she’s simply the ordinary human girl that everyone has always insisted she is.
They do keep insisting on it, don’t they? 👿
10 November 2014 at 14:59 #35253Has anyone else noticed the pattern of women dying soon after the Doctor picks them as possible companion
The entire adult membership of British Equity? If you don’t have a recurring character contract, then once the Doctor starts getting pally with you – look for the death scene. Your only chance of another booking is if it’s a ‘turn him down’ scene. 😈
On screen, Rory highlighted it in The God Complex. The Doctor getting friendly with someone is practically a case of ‘notify the next-of-kin’.
10 November 2014 at 14:47 #35252Anyway, thoughts on Ingrid Oliver returning:
I agree that she’s already played two parts on Who. Osgood, and Zygon Osgood; the chances are good that she’ll be returning as the non-dead one. 😉
In favour of it being Zygon Osgood who died is the point that she figured out Missy was the result of the Master regenerating as female.
That suggests someone who already knows that about Time Lords – but it isn’t in UNIT’s previous experience. However, it could have been part of the eventual deal between UNIT and Zygons that they share information. Especially about alien races (including Time Lords) that are likely to invade Earth.
Another part of the deal may well have been that Zygons had to stay in human (or horse) form, so as not to frighten the humans (or horses).
In favour of it being Human Osgood who died, it would heighten the impact if the person who died was the person the audience thought died. There’s also a precedent in the Big Finish Audios for a Zygon staying in the form of a dead person and effectively taking their place.
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