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25 June 2017 at 23:07 #59677
Iām still hoping for a hidden in plain sight, totally gobsmacking surprise regeneration. Maybe it’s not too late for it still to be Pearl ā the Doctor’s tribute to the girl he couldn’t save? A future reproach, not unlike having to wear Caecilius’s face this time around?
That’s been my thinking exactly. “I couldn’t save you, but I can be you”. I think that would be heartbreakingly brilliant, in a very weird way.
25 June 2017 at 22:38 #59674I just had a thought before going to bed, and it may be irrelevant as I don’t know what happens next week, but there may be some elements of the film ‘Snowpiercer’ going on here. It’s based on a comic and is set on an incredibly long train (like our 400 mile long spaceship).
The train contains all that is left of humanity after nuclear war. The poor people all live at the back in dirt, the rich live at the front in luxury, and there are various stages of social strata in between. It’s probably not surprising that there is a rebellion by the poor. But it’s much more interesting and complex than that.
Even if I’m wrong, you should check it out as it’s really good, and it’s bonkers in a good way! Here’s the trailer.
25 June 2017 at 19:10 #5966025 June 2017 at 16:54 #59638Also, can I now just say I am so glad John Simm has a proper goatee now. Goatees are cool!
25 June 2017 at 16:49 #59637@jimthefish many thanks. I was at friends in Cambridgeshire yesterday and have only just got back. @pedant @thane15 @rorysmith @devilishrobby et al, I will keep an eye on it but feeding the troll now would probably do more harm than good.
But it is noted.
25 June 2017 at 16:44 #59635Also, as no one has posted this yet, here’s this week’s aftershow.
25 June 2017 at 16:42 #59634Okay, I’m going to try and embed the Q&A because @wolfweed is right – it’s a must watch. This might not work.
Edit – it worked! You have to jump in a minute before it actually starts. Anyone would think I was good at this kinda thing. I honestly just muddle through!
21 June 2017 at 12:56 #59438@missy @pedant I get an email every time someone posts on this thread, for obvious reasons. And I got Missy’s this morning.
I don’t know what to suggest Pedant, maybe check your junk folder or allow the site URL. It may be the case that one message with a lot of links in it activated your spam filter.
Hope you get this!
To everyone else, please let me know if you feel notifications have stopped, or there are problems with them.
20 June 2017 at 19:28 #59376@countscarlioni Thanks for finding the transcript of Survival.
That kinda sums it up, but I was actually thinking of an earlier conversation between The Doctor and The Master, very near the end, where The Master asks for help. I had fun reading this as if it was between Capaldi Doc and Missy. It’s almost flirtatious.
MASTER: Good hunting, Doctor?
(Two Cheetahs start fighting over which one of them will kill Midge.)
MASTER: They’re fighting again in the dead valley.
DOCTOR: It’s breaking up.
MASTER: This planet’s alive. The animals are part of the planet. When they fight each other, they trigger explosions. They hasten the planet’s destruction.
DOCTOR: How long before it blows up?
MASTER: Not long. They’ve been fighting a long time.
DOCTOR: Why did you bring me here?
MASTER: I need your help.
(A Cheetah likes Ace’s shiny Soviet WW2 badge.
(The winning Cheetah has left, and Midge pulls a large sabre tooth from a skull then goes over to the loser. He kneels and stabs the tooth into it.)
DOCTOR: You’re trapped. You can’t escape.
MASTER: Just so. It seems the creatures of this world can’t take us away from here, they can only bring us to this place.
DOCTOR: Yes. They can only return home with their prey.
MASTER: I never thought of it quite that way.
DOCTOR: But now that we’re both trapped, what good is it to you?
MASTER: You’ll find a way out, Doctor. You must.
DOCTOR: Why should I help you?
MASTER: It’s not just death we’re all facing. This place bewitches you. If we stay here, we’ll be like the people who built these. They thought they could control the planet, the wilderness. They were the ones that bred the kitlings. Creatures with minds they could talk to, eyes they could see through the way I do. It only led to their corruption. We shall become like them.
(The Master displays yellow eyes and large canine teeth.)
MASTER: We shall become animals.19 June 2017 at 19:29 #59311@pedant I just got a notification regarding your comment of notifications not coming through, so it may just be you. But everyone, please let me know if there is a problem.
17 June 2017 at 20:31 #59199There are definite comparisons with this and “Survival”. In “Survival” there was a (slightly dodgy looking) black cat watching over the action. In this there was a much better CGI black crow.
And in “Survival” Rona Munro had wanted a hint that Ace and one of the female Cheetah people were attracted to each other, which was ruined by the costume/make-up. I’ll leave it up to you to decide if there was a little bit more effective female attraction this time.
And of course, in “Survival”, the Doctor and the Master helped each other out.
17 June 2017 at 19:47 #59193And here is the aftershow. I’ve watched it and no spoilers for future episodes.
10 June 2017 at 20:54 #58866And the aftershow. Warning, may contain spoilers. I haven’t watched it yet.
9 June 2017 at 15:01 #58797As a break from politics and everything else, I thought I’d post this. My cousin who lives in America posted it on Facebook as we both had deaf grandparents.
It isn’t a fantastic piece of music but to me it’s a very heartwarming clip. And it does kinda echo the “In a population of 7 million there’s you” or whatever the quote was regarding Bill.
Just a pity you can see Simon Cowell’s eyes fill with dollar signs. But try to take it for what it is and just enjoy. It made my Mum cry.
8 June 2017 at 20:27 #58745@nick @blenkinsopthebrave @pedant @thane15 @missrori @jimthefish @wolfweed
For what it’s worth (I am not this site, all you lovely people are and I’ve admired how you self-mod it) I have no problem with spoilers from other sites as long as they stay in “Spoilers” or “BBC Approved Spoilers” (and you’re mostly very good at knowing the difference). If people click here they know what to expect – rumours from other sites included.
What does annoy me is spoilers posted in non-spoilers threads. But as I said, you’re all very good at reprimanding someone gently as you realise it was probably a mistake due to over-enthusiasm and not vindictive or malicious. Thank you for that.
@nick asked for some way of hiding spoiler text in this thread – I guess the way Den of Geek do where you can only see the text if you hover over it – which I could do, but as it was in the “Spoiler” thread I don’t think that’s needed. If people click on “Spoilers” they should expect to get spoilers.
Rumours, “insider” info etc. is interesting to a lot of people who like spoilers and I agree it can stimulate new bonkers theories. The one thing I’m not keen on, and where I think some other sites fall down, is people stalking film crews, videoing actual filming and posting it. I may be being hypocritical on a spoilers thread but I’d never want to encourage people seeing crappy smartphone footage of a future scene.
That’s something I’d probably delete. But I’m quite happy for people to report info they got from elsewhere on the net if it’s something exciting and they think it will add to the site. I know you all have good judgement.
3 June 2017 at 21:15 #58438The Aftershow as mentioned by @wolfweed is great.
Warning – does contain spoilers about future foes.
28 May 2017 at 14:07 #58156@thane15 @pedant @blenkinsopthebrave
I’m off to enjoy the sunshine now, in our alternate AI reality, but for your pleasure
28 May 2017 at 13:27 #58153@Thane15 I think I may have brought it up first. He’s not important so no worries.
Dallas was a big, huge, massive show in the Eighties. Bobby Ewing was one of the major characters. They killed him off at the end of one of the seasons.
There was then a whole season (20 or so episodes) where Bobby was dead. I believe that viewing figures slumped. I can’t remember exactly whether it was at the end of the season, or the start of the next season, but they had a scene where his wife woke up and Bobby walked out of the shower – the whole season, let me stress this, THE WHOLE SEASON, was a dream.
28 May 2017 at 12:12 #58146@pedant @blenkinsopthebrave I used almost exactly the same words to describe Extremis. I thought the episode was great, beautifully done, but my heart did sink a bit when it was “all just a dream” or “all just a sim”. There’s not much difference in terms of stories. If there is, let me know.
But as I noted on the ‘Extremis’ thread, it did set up an alien species that can create (almost) completely believable worlds. That will be something revisited, I think, just as “The Rebel Flesh” lead to ganger Amy and a huge story arc. Will we ever know what is real from now on?
27 May 2017 at 23:03 #58119@phaseshift Massive like for that last sentence.
27 May 2017 at 22:38 #58116@steffstaff I’ve done that. Unfortunately I don’t have control over what is classed as spam, it’s an anti-spam plug-in for the website. I hope that now I’ve “unspammed” you, you shouldn’t have any more problems. But if you do, please let me know.
27 May 2017 at 22:08 #58107@steffstaff I’m sorry but for some reason your posts went into spam. I’ve unspammed them now (so hopefully you won’t be spammed again) but it now looks like you posted the same thing several times.
If you would like me to delete any of those posts let me know – I know how frustrating it is when posts go missing, and when they then turn up!
Everyone – that was not @steffstaff‘s fault for the mulitiple posts. It was probably the Monks. š
27 May 2017 at 22:02 #58102Almost forgot… AFTERSHOW!
27 May 2017 at 20:59 #58090@wolfweed Love it, you did get there before me.
There was a “Right here, right now” which might be a reference or might just be nothing. Evolution and all that.
27 May 2017 at 17:48 #58083Just saw these beautiful alternative covers for the latest Doctor Who Magazine.
26 May 2017 at 10:35 #58046I saw this just the other day on Twitter. š
Sensitive young Morrissey, who wrote all those songs I absolutely adore, was killed & replaced by your Brexit voting da. A conspiracy thread pic.twitter.com/br5Is8eATs
— Nooruddean (@BeardedGenius) May 24, 2017
26 May 2017 at 01:22 #58030@arbutus Thank you for that beautiful comparison between storytelling and music. I hope I, at least I tried, to make it clear that I really enjoyed the episode, thought it was a lot of great story telling, but I was just a bit concerned when Bobby Ewing walked out of the shower, so to speak.
Having thought about it, I still think it is slight but Moffat has now set up an alien race who can create completely believable worlds (well, almost). I have no doubt we’re going to be back here just like we were with Amy and “The Rebel Flesh”. That was a simple story about a sort-of misdirection that set up a huge story arc.
My thought at the moment is that Capaldi can now possibly regenerate into a new Doctor, but can continue living in the alien reality – and be back with River (after The Library).
There could then be an episode or two with the new Doctor in the real world, and Capaldi Doc in the matrix world, working together at the series finish, or at Christmas. That’s my bonkers for tonight.
25 May 2017 at 19:43 #58024Was reminded of this today by my friend Mark, just came up in conversation. It is almost a nonsense song but I think it’s a classic. And after all the anti-Muslim hate I’ve seen on my Twitter timeline (I follow people I completely disagree with, as well as people I do, to avoid the echo chamber effect) it reminded me of compassion and understanding – in a bonkers way, which is right for this site. Love each other.
24 May 2017 at 01:22 #57961@nick Oh yes, been loving it. It is kinda almost as rambling as the book but I’m liking it so far. I posted the trailer a while back before it started. Can’t wait to see how they develop it. But I think the casting is brilliant. I couldn’t think who I would cast for Shadow but they’ve done a fantastic job choosing Ricky Whittle. And Mr Wednesday, well, Ian McShane will always be Lovejoy to me but maybe he might just change my mind (never watched Deadwood).
23 May 2017 at 23:06 #57957In memory of Roger Moore who died today. This is from the first Bond film I think I ever saw in the cinema. And I think it’s one of the best Bond films. But being Scottish I still have to say that Connery was better – but maybe only just. š
Moore was the up there with Connery. And this song was Oscar nominated.
23 May 2017 at 22:47 #57956I thought this was a stunning image tonight.
23 May 2017 at 22:42 #57954@wackyblend Firstly welcome. Glad you signed up. Hope you enjoy it here.
Other people have noticed some of those connections so you are not alone at all. The second episode, Smile, especially brought comparisons with the Vashta Nerada.
This thread is really for conversations about TV shows other than Doctor Who. If you want to discuss current episodes jump right in on the latest one here: https://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/extremis/
Although there are now 5 pages of comments to wade through! But I hope you’ll enjoy it. We’re a bonkers bunch but extremely thoughtful and creative as well.
23 May 2017 at 18:54 #57944I love this. It’s kinda cheesy, just like the show, but there’s not many shows that have this many strong women in it and reference others by casting Terri Hatcher (ex-Lois Lane) and Lynda Carter (ex-Wonder Woman). I hope it inspires my niece.
20 May 2017 at 23:54 #57741AFTERSHOW!
20 May 2017 at 23:16 #57737I didn’t say this before but I do kinda think this was, as much fun as it was, a slightly wasted episode. It was entertaining and well written but, in the end, it “was all a dream”. Which could’ve been dealt with much quicker.
I did think the Missy segments were brilliant. And it has set up a carefully planned alien invasion. And Missy (I think) in the vault. And I look forward to where we’re headed.
It could’ve been 5 minutes, but hey, a whole episode is still fine if it’s enjoyable.
20 May 2017 at 22:05 #57732@wolfweed I’ve edited it. Link is still cool – read it myself. But yes, people, there be spoilers!
Hope you get over the fever soon.
20 May 2017 at 21:14 #57722@rorysmith I think we are possibly just at the beginning of a 7 episode arc that leads to the end of Moffat’s reign. I can imagine there will be twists aplenty in the upcoming stories.
20 May 2017 at 20:35 #57716@miapatrick You got there before me. @rorysmith with the orange face and the “Sad” all you need is three exclamation points and you’ve gone full Trump.
Honestly though, we’d like constructive reviews, however bad. Not just “I could do better”. If you want to do that, there are plenty of other places to do so.
Thank you.
17 May 2017 at 22:07 #57602I know I do go on about The CW’s Supergirl and The Flash, but just caught up with them this week. And while they are mostly switch-your-brain-off fun (which I need during the week), this week’s episode of Supergirl was… amazing.
It was the penultimate episode so featured the beginning of an alien invasion (which may be resolved, or may not, by the end of the last episode). But it also featured this speech by a major returning character:
Resist. Resist these invaders with everything you’ve got. They come with empty promises and closed fists. They promise to make our world great again, and yet they know nothing about the people who make this world great. They think they can con us. And if that doesn’t work, what? They’re going to beat us into submission? They have no idea who they’re up against.
And it went on.
Now the show may seem like fluff, but that’s a writer making a point. I inwardly cheered. After the Doctor’s experience in ‘Oxygen’ this week I felt worlds colliding.
17 May 2017 at 18:17 #57598@pedant @whisht Just in case you missed it – there was a great little 30min documentary on Waterloo Sunset on Radio 4 this morning – well worth a listen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08q6181
To everyone else, I think you can listen to BBC Radio from anywhere in the world – it’s only TV that’s restricted.
14 May 2017 at 11:43 #57449Hi all, just a gentle reminder…
Can we try to discuss the episode (and previous episodes) and not what is going to happen next based on evidence from “Next Time” or trailers. Please do that in the “BBC Approved Spoilers” thread.
I don’t care myself, but I know there are people who try to avoid all trailers and the “Next Time” teasers.
13 May 2017 at 16:04 #57395For tonight’s episode I thought, hmmm, should I post Jean Michel Jarre’s Oxygene? Too obvious, although was kinda a big thing when I was growing up. Instead, given the theme, maybe Toxygene is a better choice (and I saw the Orb in Brixton last year).
13 May 2017 at 13:40 #57391I’ve seen more comments from people saying their posts went missing. I’ve checked the “spam” and “pending” posts and there is nothing there that shouldn’t be. So, I am at a loss to explain it.
All I can suggest is that you should always ‘select all’ (Ctrl A) and copy (Ctrl C) before you hit submit. I always do that, just in case.
That way if something goes wrong you can always paste it again (Ctrl V). That’s for PC users, unsure how you Mac users do it.
9 May 2017 at 22:47 #57326@blenkinsopthebrave I’ve read it, but thanks. And when the DVD was realeased in the UK they gave away a free copy of the book of his short stories. All of them are really good.
Yes, I’ve heard the rumour Villeneuve is doing Dune next. I have to say, he doesn’t do things by half! I’d be petrified by a Blade Runner sequel and probably rather die than tackle the monsterous Dune. If I was of Italian origin I’d probably say he has big balls. (apologies to the easily offended).
@pedant Completely agree re Arrival. Check out Sicario too if you haven’t already.
9 May 2017 at 22:09 #57323@blenkinsopthebrave @mudlark I should’ve added that I think Villeneuve is one of the most high profile ambiguous film makers around today. Arrival has confused a lot of people (although I think I get it, he says, probably overly smugly), and Sicario is a bit like No Country For Old Men, in which the main character isn’t really the main character by the end of the movie (sorry if that’s a spoiler).
I think we’re probably in good hands. It is not going to be an obvious narrative.
9 May 2017 at 21:49 #57321@blenkinsopthebrave @mudlark I have to admit that Prometheus left me feeling that Scott may have lost his way (like you am not that keen on the next Alien movie either). What gives me hope is that he has handed over to Villeneuve.
I had this conversation last night on Twitter with a huge Blade Runner fan in L.A. who was a little disappointed in the trailer. The visuals, the soundtrack, the atmosphere all seem to be perfect, but in the end it will be down to the script. Prometheus had a flawed (I’m being polite) script. But I hope Villeneuve will have had the clout to make it his way.
9 May 2017 at 21:07 #57317@blenkinsopthebrave It could be bad, but Villeneuve has shown he can direct well in multiple genres, and Ridley Scott is involved too. Like you I hope it doesn’t tarnish the original. But if they found a story that works, why not? And we get Roger Deakins photography, just for that it may almost be worth it. It’s like an update on the Eighties style of the original, including old Atari logos. And the score is also a throw back to Vangelis (not sure if it’s by him or not). If nothing else it’s already a nice homage.
9 May 2017 at 20:19 #57315For those of a certain age, there has been a trailer released for the sequel to Bladerunner. Ryan Gosling takes the lead this time but Harrison Ford is in there too (which might not mean he’s a replicant after all – maybe). It’s directed by Denis Villeneuve who, I think, has been the stand-out film director of recent years with “Sicario” and “Arrival”. I have high hopes.
9 May 2017 at 18:21 #57312I liked this recently posted vid. The lovely David Suchet about working on Doctor Who. It’s perhaps a bit ‘luvvie’ but it’s also really nice.
I know one strange fact about David Suchet. His life was quite possibly saved by an episode of Tales of the Unexpected. They used an extreme close-up of his eyes in one episode and a doctor who was watching instantly diagnosed extremely high cholesterol and that a heart attack could be imminent, managed to get in touch, and he’s now on medication to manage it. Weird how life works!
4 May 2017 at 22:37 #57100Just as an aside on companions, one of the American companies that my company owns introduced a blood pressure cuff for pets (it’s a much needed thing supposedly). We discovered when we went to write a press release about it that in the USA they didn’t want to use “pets”, they are “companion animals”, to differentiate them from working animals such as police dogs, farmed animals etc. Turns out it really is a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet
Not quite sure what that says about the meaning of “companion” but I’m not sure it’s completely complimentary now. Especially as the Doctor may not see humans quite the same as himself. “Assistant” might actually be better now.
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