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8 January 2019 at 15:06 #67145
@kevinwho
:shrugs: You literally said your mind was closed because white anti-racists weren’t represented in a story by a black writer about an issue of overwhelming importance to black people.
8 January 2019 at 11:54 #67141@kevinwho @miapatrick
The reason the story works so well is that it never once loses sight of what the story was about just so that it could pause coddle the hurt feelings of whiney white boys.
But consider me a lost cause please, and don’t try to convince me.
Or, for that matter, those whose understanding of format-constrained storytelling is so weak that their minds slam shut when said feelings are hurt.
7 January 2019 at 01:33 #67121just deactivate my account or something
Or you could just change your handle to something less idiotic. It makes you come across as a whiney 13 year old with anger management issues. Or a US libertarian, which is much the same thing.
@margaret-blaine
But this one started with a troll name and posted all of the tropes from the “I’m just a poor white boy nobody loves me” school of Youtube fuckwittery, across multiple threads. *makes hand-weighing motion*
6 January 2019 at 23:03 #67118@kevinwho
it’s, if I can coin a term, inciteful
And describing a scene where a British Asian woman and a British black man discuss there experience of racism as “makes me want to eat gravel” isn’t?
Riiiight.
As @bluesqueakpip alluded a couple of weeks back, the only question is in which Reddit sub they are discussing tactics.
6 January 2019 at 22:03 #67116@margaret-blaine
It’s the usual misogyny and racism dressed up in a posh suit.
The clue is in the user name.
6 January 2019 at 11:03 #67108It was there to share!
Not sure youtube wants to control the trollsome. Too much money in hate. Several accounts all using the same splash screens style and same font, all organising from the same Reddit sub, methinks.
6 January 2019 at 11:00 #671076 January 2019 at 01:51 #67101@margaret-blaine @kevinwho
Don’t.
Feed.
The.
Troll.
6 January 2019 at 01:50 #67100@kevinwho
FFS. Don’t engage. Just report. A clue in the damned handle.
6 January 2019 at 01:49 #67099Intruder in the house. Clue in the handle.
5 January 2019 at 02:28 #67073OMG! It worked, Too afraid to edit this in. Stand down @craig!
5 January 2019 at 02:27 #67072Nothing to do with anything, but this twitter thread is the best thing you are likely to see any time soon. Since, for some reason, tweets won’t embed for me, you will have to trust me and click the link (if you have a moment @craig, could you fix?).
It was started by The Museum of English Rural Life and …. evolved.
hey @britishmuseum give us your best duck
— The Museum of English Rural Life (@TheMERL) January 4, 2019
4 January 2019 at 23:24 #67071@margaret-blaine
River Song and the Doctor’s timelines were moving in opposite directions so does that mean this Doctor has never met RS?
No.
4 January 2019 at 16:53 #67068There’s a reason my brother always does goose…
BTW – I should be clear that mum’s comment was generally followed by excellent advice, but still…
4 January 2019 at 10:55 #67065When drafting in an external app, paste into the Text tab in the editor (top right) not the Visual tab. This will stop it trying to interpret metadata…and mangling it.
I think Rels are mentioned in the very first Dalek story.
The point is that it was a joke. Isaac Asimov wrote a splendid essay on why it is such a bad idea to invent units for aline worlds.
I don’t see what the suspension of UNIT could have to do with Brexit, for two reasons. 1. Brexit hasn’t happened yet and I hope it never does. This episode has the date given as as 01-01-2019. 2. In the BG episodes UNIT
Again, it was a topical joke that could have been designed to wind up a certain class of angry virgin on Youtube.
3 January 2019 at 17:16 #67053An ex of mine was of the view that there are four major food groups: cheese, bacon, green stuff and booze.
This is obviously foolish since pancakes are a group of their own.
When I was much younger and first at uni, I would from time-to-time phone mum to find out how long to cook whatever new thing I had bought, to which she invariably replied: “Until it’s done”.
2 January 2019 at 21:41 #67037@scaryb – cruft is the massive amount of incidental, background and procedural detail that builds up in long running stories, that only nerds like us really care about. And which, more significantly, can push future writers into a corner where it is basically impossible to focus on what the story is about, and instead get caught worrying about how the story works. The servant becomes the master. Late season X Files is a show that never properly addressed this problem and vanished up its own wotsit.
Totally agree about who ‘gramps’ was aimed at. Clear snark at Aaron.
Speaking of Aaron, he’s clearly a broken character in a long Doctor Who tradition, but that as not really explored. It will be interesting see see if they delve deeper into that in S12.
2 January 2019 at 18:19 #67032@kevinwho
Chibnall doesn’t want his show cluttered up with things people loved in the past; he wants it cluttered up with things people will love in the future
That’s a splendidly tendencious way of phrasing it. It was an exercise in cruft-clearing:
RTD used the Time War to sweep away the Time Lords;
Moffat used the cracks in time to sweep away Victorian cybermen and the Battle of Canary Wharf;
Chibnall used a little brexit joke to pop Unit in its box until he needs it again (“other armies are available”).
Significantly, he didn’t have to do too much because Moffat paid him the courtesy of clearing a lot of his own cruft away, as RTD had done for him.
Cruft is a show-killer. It is what alienates potential new fans. Another approach is, of course, the flagrant disregard for continuity that the show has exhibited for its entire history, but that is a bit harder in an online age with Youtube’s cancerous algorithms.
When she comments about dads being complicated ‘so I’m told’ is that a nod to her relationship (or lack of it) with her own father
Or possibly about her previous incarnations, or why Doc 1 removed Susan from Gallifrey.
1 January 2019 at 22:06 #67023I suspect a rel is exactly as long as it needs to be for plot purposes!
I suspect the very Brexity disposal of UNIT is going to make a lot of Angry Virgins a lot angrier.
1 January 2019 at 22:02 #67022I did the “Who are you” jokes the last time, didn’t I?
1 January 2019 at 20:03 #67018A lone Dalek. Always more interesting than an army of them.
Can anyone remember how long a rel is?
Wayne Yip can definitely do more.
1 January 2019 at 18:35 #67016I don’t take prisoners…
1 January 2019 at 08:31 #67003Happy new thingy all.
So I made this and, since a flat grey sky means there’s no point taking the camera out to seek sunrise, I uploaded it early instead.
In which I find the urge to acronym, experience a little….erm…toilet trouble – and have flashbacks.
31 December 2018 at 23:06 #66995And 2018 makes one last spiteful swipe. Bless yer eye patch Ray Sawyer.
31 December 2018 at 17:14 #66986@kevinwho
Well, the best reason for not doing this is that it would have been 100 degree proof spirit fanwank. Exactly the sort of masturbatory nonsense that a show that really was in decline would go for.
So take it as a good sign that they didn’t…
31 December 2018 at 17:09 #66985Yep – very interesting, even if it was a bit conservative about pushing the bounds of interactivity.
30 December 2018 at 00:53 #66971@craig or @jimthefish – this forum needs a Mk2
Also: coin >>> meter. Annual reminder!
26 December 2018 at 13:46 #6693825 December 2018 at 00:03 #66914Merry Xmas all.
A Who song that never really got the attention it deserved:
24 December 2018 at 11:32 #66909@kevinwho
One comment about why Bill didn’t remember Heather.
The comprehensive, nay definitive, explanation is given here
22 December 2018 at 12:54 #66885@rtdfan
Please respect each others views, even mine
But I thought you were against moral lessons? Certainly the last time you had post splurge in 2013 and things were politely explained to you you stomped of with a brief “bye bye”.
If you think people disagreeing with you is disrespectful, then that is very much your problem and nobody else’s.
21 December 2018 at 17:58 #66862@kevinwho
hate Clara, love and hate Heaven Sent, love and hate aspects of the latest series
There is literally nobody here who hates anything, because hate is an emotion for the juvenile.
@RTDfan
The BBC should not be using Dr Who to replace a lack of education in schools.
The BBC was founded to inform, educate and entertain and Doctor Who had an education remit from the beginning, which it has addressed with alacrity through its run, as shown in this link, *H/T to @miapatrick)
21 December 2018 at 11:19 #66851I’m just going to leave this here on the grounds that a) it is rather amusing, b) it is for a good cause and c) I am quite certain that Grace Slick would approve, since she hated the original:
21 December 2018 at 01:08 #6684720 December 2018 at 11:04 #66844Apparently Elf scores very highly on polls, but having never seen it can neither confirm nor deny its quality.
Also look at TV
Buffy 3×10 Amends
The West Wing 1 x 10 In Excelsis Deo
And obvious your Who special of choice (When you admire the sun it doesn’t admire you back”.
There’s a Hill Street Blues episode that is just breathtaking and heartbreaking.
20 December 2018 at 10:51 #66843*faints*
19 December 2018 at 17:26 #66826Isn’t that the second one to say that, or words to that effect?
19 December 2018 at 13:31 #66818Apropos of absolutely nothing, this is quite astonishing and more than a little scary. Zoom in all the way, especially on some of the office windows. Captured by Chinese Satellite with 24.9 billion pixels.
19 December 2018 at 12:59 #66812Thanks Craig. Also, remember to put a shilling in the meter between Xmas and New Year 😉
19 December 2018 at 12:57 #66811The thing with the internet is that it doesn’t always take you where you want to go. But if you let it, it will take you where you need to go.
As I stated in my original post have been a fan for 38 years
And the majority of posters here have been fans for far longer. Your point?
I was and am looking for a discussion over plot wherein I can find it
What page did you land on? If you go to the front page you will find links to every episode discussion. Asserting a view and then not getting the answer you want is not being “treated poorly” it’s “meeting reality”.
If you are looking for an echo chamber, you have landed in the wrong place. If you not, then get discussing.
19 December 2018 at 12:36 #66798Respect to Vaclav. He would be a great character for the Doctor to meet.
19 December 2018 at 12:24 #66795Being familiar with the context really helps. It is very much Donna who makes that scene complete. Not a single word. Just there. A lesser writer wouldn’t have done that.
19 December 2018 at 11:26 #6679219 December 2018 at 10:52 #6679019 December 2018 at 10:43 #66787:sigh:
19 December 2018 at 10:41 #66786Hello. My name is pedant and I will be your bad cop today.
Two things:
1. What @margaret-blaine and @thane16 said;
2. Be very careful using phrases like:
There is zero love for the fan base on the current staff.
Have they even watched the old series or just wing it?
They make you look silly and entitled, since about 30 seconds on Youtube would lead you to discover that Chris Chibnall is not only a fan, but one who was very much engaged with fan debate during the era that you found Who. Obvious twaddle is obvious. But I’m not your mum so do your own searching.
There are a couple of things you must grasp if you want to come across … not whiney:
First, although Doctor Who is one of BBC’s most valuable assets, it is also very expensive for a resource constrained body like the Beeb to make. The impact of this is to govern the Beeb’s appetite for risk when the fanbase is ageing (as well as giving it many envious enemies with the BBC, which has always been the case).
Second, most of the things you are complaining about come from above the showrunner for this specific reason. They absolutely must broaden the fan base beyond those massively invested in and obsessed with the cruft the show has accrued over the decades.
Finally, for an insight into why some of your turns of phrase will get people bristling, and precisely how you can deal with that read this: On joy. I am reliably assured that the author is devilishly handsome.
18 December 2018 at 10:51 #66763@kevinwho @nerys
Can we not feed the troll please.
17 December 2018 at 23:49 #66713@thane16 @idiotsavon @mudlark @ichabod
On a slightly more constructive direction that trying to get Twitter to work, this is a very interesting insight from a self-confessed newbie.:
Five reasons Doctor Who is the most interesting speculative series on television in 2018
17 December 2018 at 22:57 #66700( @craig – I cannot for the life of me work out how to get this to embed. Is there some secret -lace to get embed code that actually works?)
16 December 2018 at 14:31 #66685Well, you’ve just rather elegantly illustrated the key element of scientific method (form hypothesis >> test (prove) hypothesis), so that’s not really the issue.
It was more a point about how slippery language can be, even when talking about language – a slip I made with a different word, even while trying to make the point.
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