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@missy Hey. No worries All good. I agree.

Alpackahacka  love your moniker and picture.

I think you’re right. He would be an enemy? Makes sense.

@whisht Happy late birthday to you! Mum thinks it was 2-3 weeks ago! Belated returns

To anyone intelligent: which is all of you.

I’m doing this thing in philosophy called Jack’s Problem. Jack sits in a chair and wants a new personality with images of success and not failure. 1000 things are changed in his head. Now, when he gets up with these 1000 changes, and with a new attitude to life, is he a New Jack or the Same Person Jack? In other words, is his identity based only on his memories and therefore with new memories of success as well as the flavour of things changing – is he the same or a virtually different person?

Trying it with Dr Who and his memories ARE there but hidden (except for Clara. His memories were completely lost but returned at Christmas). Jack’s are CHANGED .

From Thane

 

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@whisht LOL

thought this applies to our now older regeneration considering the diamond he had to smash thru and the different names they had for him.  probably someone else posted it well before I did though.

@pedant  I think you would also like Pink Floyds ‘shine On You Crazy Diamond’

 

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@pedant

Mr Fish Man! Thank you. I obviously mucked that up. Mum would’ve been embarrassed -she still will be.

And I’m trying to make sense of John Locke. Mum says “economist” and “determinist” and my teacher and philosophy tutor says “Locke is a memory believer”

😈

Must post a song on thread -a Pink Floyd which fits the Doctor -one of their early albums but.

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@missrori Big mistake there. I know Mark Knopfler’s from Glasgow and the British world of music so what I meant to say was “wishes from Australia” Anyway, hope you know what I mean  🙂

From Thane.

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@missrori @jimthefish

Hello there Miss Rori, Maybe this song from Australia will cheer you up?

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@craig

@jimthefish @whisht

The Lana Del Ray is the same as similar to Creep. There’s no way round that. The middle 8/12 *cough * reminds me of something .. from Sgt Peppers or Revolver actually. That’s happily nicked, studied as well.

“All art is illusion but then try to touch it and there’s nothing to hold on to…..I wanna get off, but I keep riding. I want to live my own life  [well paraphrased]…”

She should start, erm, living her own life, imo.

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@jimthefish @whisht

Hallooo! You called the friendly musician? Please press 1 for sales;  2 for technical difficulty and 3 for possible truth and fact mixed with fun.

Yep, Jim, the chords of the 50s are as much of a cross-over as the early 60s. And this has happened before.

Mendelssohn’s famous Octet contains bars from The Messiah- if you listen carefully.

Personally, Creep takes its chords from the Hollies choon. So not surprising that the Radiohead album mentions the Hollies’ lyricists and musicians -or two of them, anyway.

on the other thread I want to thank @wolfweed for all those fabulous vids as well as putting up In Memoriam 2017 which was just heart-breaking. So many people involved in Who and this brings me back to music, there really are a limited amount of ‘notes’ and chords which play nicely together, horizontally, for our Western tonal ear so it’s not surprising that one song inspires another which inspires lawyers which inspires the internet and more music…….it’s all interesting publicity in the end. Or is it the beginning? Composing music or re-iterating music is a lot like time travel. 🙂

Thank you for your call. Would you like fries with that? Is there anything else I can help you with taking bucket-loads off your credit card forthwith?

Cheers. Puro.

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@pedant

uh?? Turn my nose up at Ashes to Ashes? Did I?

“good Lord”

Thane

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@mudlark @ichabod

Alright! That’s awesome. I mean your response, Ms Mudlark. I don’t think Mum saw it that way (or she might have?) and actually I didn’t either and what was really good in your response was the bit in bold:

the basis of my criticism was, not that it was done, but that it was done rather clumsily in what was otherwise an anything but clumsy and un-nuanced episode, and that it was played primarily for laughs.

I get that now: the fact that sexism isn’t for a laugh? It’s not funny for those who still live in it: who call people, on the net, feminazis or even more derogatory names.

That is definitely something to think about. I was talking with Dad and a female friend who were saying that in the past whistling at women was acceptable and women admired it and saw it as complimentary. When I said “OK, but about those who didn’t get ‘the whistle’ or worse got jeered at, what about them?”

No-body answered that. I’m glad that stuff is outlawed in Brisbane anyway. You  can’t whistle at women if, say, you’re a tradesperson working on a  building.  However there are advertisements during the cricket which feature men walking past, shirtless, and women laughing and applauding. It’s all very confusing!

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@jackheartlesss

well, that is an unusual handle? jack harkness? Ah, from Capt Jack, I presume?

Well, the short answer is any time lords can regenerate into different genders.

And that’s also the long answer. In my opinion it should have happened before and according to the evidence a female regeneration was planned in the 1960s or early 1970s.

So, there you go!

Cheers and happy new year.

Thane16

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@blenkinsopthebrave

thanks for that! Will check that out.

Thane

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@blenkinsopthebrave

Absolutely right Mr Blenkinsop. Dad introduced me to that movie:  A Matter of Life and Death

@mudlark and others: On the issue of over-egging the sexism I thought it was ironic and necessary.

Mum and I are watching re-runs of The Bill from 1983 to 91 and the continuous sexism is in your face for the 25 minutes episode. It’s deep in the minds of the writers and producers so when a sergeant is hitting his wife its considered by another well-respected sergeant who was in the show for 15 years as an “issue between husband and wife. He’ll sort it out. We can’t get involved” whilst others regarding a different woman, talk about female provocation and weakness. In 1990. For me, coming from a school where blokes still call women ‘girls’ (that’s the teachers calling the women teachers ‘girls’), where guys routinely call a girl ‘slut,’ ie:

“hey sl*t, what’s up?”

“yeah, good, Joshua” It’s an endearment, apparently. 

where guys of my age talk about a woman’s physical  attributes (whether teacher; a 12 year old arriving in high school (“I’d like to uncork that….” ) or a Year 12 female student);  I think putting this issue front and centre is essential.

It’s a show that’s loved by everyone. But there are still comments  saying, “the Doctor should be a man. If it’s not broke don’t fix it. But I’m gonna sell ALL my Doctor Who toys because I’m heartbroken that the Doctor is a girl.”

Right wingers on youtube coordinated efforts to elect Trump (never minding his hair line, way of speaking, his weight or tight suits) and diss Clinton because she was: “ugly and fat” with a deep voice and crooked legs. So I think sometimes being told about this is necessary and bringing out the soap box works -as one way of dealing with it. I heard a teacher last year say this:

“If women didn’t work we’d have zero unemployment. There’d be enough money for  the family if just the husband worked and bringing up children in a traditional style which worked for thousands of years shouldn’t be thrown away  by the femi-nazis.”

He was a contract teacher and we didn’t see him again but he’s still out there… Anyway my rant’s over!

Happily, I was thrilled about Bill Potts and thought she did a terrific job and when other Christmas specials have been really fast the relatively slower pace of TUAT was appreciated by me and Dad! The music was subtle and I didn’t have trouble understanding most of everything. The arrival of Clara was good too -sorting out the idea of her being a memory he couldn’t access- a Clara shaped hole  -like the  dream you remember when you wake up but bits disappear when you pin them down.

I’m glad the Doctor had that final moment and could let it “go.” That was a really nice way to end everything. Mum still cried on her 3rd re-watch. Joyful crying but sad to miss Moffat; Gatiss (is he leaving too because the episode he wrote last season was the best, imho?) and Capaldi but thrilled to see Whitaker.

Cheers to everyone on the new year

From Thane.

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Halloo to all.

After a re-watch I read some less alluring comments on social media (but haven’t read these pages yet!) which inherited and bred more of the same: “nothing happens in this Special, the Doctor’s [just] his own enemy. There are no baddies.” It’s frustrating to behold the incapacity of some of those people to capture the importance of the Doctor’s character immigration parsed without hasty negativity. Some are frivolous with a self-absorbed wish for excitement they call “plot” or “tension.” They also decry too much taciturnity in their Doctor and yet when he’s light or “jokey” they’re archly dismissive.

Despite their youth (and I certainly don’t speak for all) they’re not always equipped for subtlety and in their wish for youthful easy action they’re stolid, conservatively prurient and just a bit-behind-the-times. They miss the magical enactment of two Doctors making a decision, one creating the other; all moderated by Bill Potts. The 1st Doctor is in thrall with his later iteration and the plot or mechanism is love, sometimes wordless, a thing of arcane or mysterious comprehension. To be bored by the creation of life and personality, that disordered and terrifying thing? Surely no!

As humans we have a duty or obligation to others to ‘push on’ as the normally well-constituted are expected to do. But the Doctor has a choice during his state of grace and once chosen must re-identify, re-grow and there’s no normal composure for this- it’s profoundly disorienting, subversive and that’s heartbreaking. But with anything beautiful, like the birth of a child, it’s legitimised through physical and cerebral pain and audacity.

Moffat came full circle with Twelve. A Hamlet charging at life on the rooftops of old London and finally a George Bailey of broad perception -one who really sees that living isn’t a lonely quest and should he choose eradication in an effort to stay change, to stay unique, a lusus naturae, earth would be an abstraction only. This episode was a bold look into the hearts and mind of the Doctors. Not as light-minded as their carelessness and insouciance betrays, in desperate flight from seriousness, fleeing from a final definite moment. I find it to be one of the truest stories of all.

Cheers and happy new year!

Puro.

 

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@missy Evenin’ ! I remember you mentioned that awhile back. With this branch of movie/series making sometimes a contract is drawn up including a particular end date?

So if the new showrunner wishes to engage Murray’s services again then I think Chris Chibnall would seek a discussion about a new contract.

I remember RTD (on his DVDs) talking about how Murray Gold was expected to virtually compose a movie score-a week and that was a long way back in 2005+.  If Gold has a break I’d understand. (insert emoji for knackered).

He’s fond of a particular style -a  love for percussion avoiding nasal brass and winds in favour of ethereal wind chimes; marimbas and k’boards.  A very gifted person (All of them were: Mark, Peter, Stephen -a list of clerics circa 2009!).

Puro.

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@pedant Yes, “we are all stories in the end.” The ‘how’ and ‘why’ is oftentimes irrelevant. As I said once on the latest Sherlock episodes we know the A and the C sections therefore the B has been ‘done’ or explained and Moffat trusts us to work it out anyways.

The A to B and A is/= C isn’t to  be confused with Locke or Reid by the way 😉

 

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@tardigrade

On Locke; dualism; and on memory as identity I think that’s why Thomas Reid calls in his (The) Brave Officer Paradox- which considering Lethbridge Stewart, works well 🙂

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absolutely fantastic piece this was. Puro and I were checking the ceiling for dust. It was modest,  subtle and generous in spirit showing how the Doctor’s changed since his first appearance. As some people above contested, his laughing, jokey and hugging personality IS this Doctor: he no longer needs that carer but now he finally remembers her. I remember too. That discussion where people believed that the Doctor did remember Clara -well, no, now we realise he didn’t -he saw ‘around’ her, there was a hole with a musical motif and in this episode the music re-formed her much like the Doctor was re-formed from his first appearance.

I’m watching tWWing again with Mum and whilst I know Doctor Who and tWW can’t be compared you can see, like in Buffy, that these showrunners put characters and the experiences they have, personally, first.

Plot is what happens when you’re making other plans or doing other things.

Scientists when looking at people’s brains who are watching emotional character developments rather than plot-based chronological stories notice all sorts of colours light up and dance around the brain. We are drawn to characters and their development. Seemingly it’s in our hind-brains to do that! I think that’s awesome.

Moffat was holding these characters:  the new Doctor, the present Doctor, the first Doctor and the soldier, very gently in his hands, shaping and highlighting, forming and processing. It was a sight to see.

A sight to see.

Cheers, Thane16.

And a very happy new year to you all.

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@blenkinsopthebrave

Me and Mum are waving hello to you all the way over and above in Canada. After Dad and I visited Adelaide which didn’t have humidity and even when it was 35 it felt like 25 Celsius, made me seriously think of living in South Australia or going somewhere colder. Dad used to walk the ‘beat’ in the London Met and says “get orf the grass, youre talking cobblers: it be Vincent Price.”

What? 🙂

I Have NO idea about that: is it code or slang?

Anyway, I realise Mr Blenkinsop, I should’ve written; “Mum and I” not “me and Mum” 😉

We wish you all the best for the Christmas break & a happy & contended 2018. I also hope you enjoyed the Christmas special which we haven’t watched as yet.  And happy NY also to @hiker and @dirishb -I like both your avatars/pictures.

@craig wishing you the best for the new year  hoping it brings new & interested members in Jodie Whittaker’s amazing role. I wonder how she’s feeling? Nervous, excited? Big responsibility on her shoulders and I think her shoulders are good enough to hold this antique role  – antique isn’t the word I was looking for but I mean she’s definitely up to the challenge.

Also to @arbutus and family.

Cheers, Thane16

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@scaryb

Hey! It’s good to see you back on the Sofa or couch sprinkling all the gold & glittterrr.

Meow!!

I haven’t watched the episode as yet and neither has mum -she’s doing OK but not last night so we are hoping the new DVD player has worked and taped it otherwise we will be watching it on the ABC on a tiny screen.

@xad4 good to see you around here again. Long missed said Puro, my mum. And @miapatrick that sounds HILARIOUS! Also, Miss Mia, you helped me on my Romeo and Juliet essay and in the end I got one of 2 A’s in my class of 30. The last piece was a monologue based on a Aus song and I had an A+ for that and I have to thank @tardisblue and @pedant for the assistance or reminders. ANd others too, who I probably missed. It’s the non-alcoholic egg nog I think. It didn’t taste all that good 🙂

@karenmarie welcome to you from me and mum -I’ve taken the training wheels off so it’s really me saying hello all by myself. It’s good you’ve joined. You’ll have a good time here especially on the music thread and the sofa.

@bluesqueakpip Doing God’s work on a Sunday -and would it be three masses? Because of midnight mass? Not sure if you ‘do’ Midnight mass.

Cheers to all including @janetteb and @missy on the Aussie shores.

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@phaseshift I think I missed your show tickets. Congratulations. That’s so beast!

Me? I’d ask Mr Moffat “when did you really absolutely know you wanted to be showrunner for Doctor Who?”

That’d be my question. It’s probably a silly one and he’s probably answered it before.

Have a fab time!

From the Puro Aussie Crew

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And happy Christmas to people who aren’t Who Fans too. Because some people may have people in their homes who aren’t Who fans like us and that’s OK.

Is ‘fan’ short for ‘fanatic’? Coz I wasn’t sure that was a good thing.  If it is short for fanatic, then I think I am one!

Thane16 and the fam.  00xx00

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Hey folks.

thirty minutes to Christmas and as I had a looong sleep I may stay up and lasso the moon!

Yes, we watched A Wonderful Life and yes I did complain initially and say “Black and white? No!!”

But I loved it.

Happy Christmas Who-Fans and love your card @whisht. Awesome clever.

I can barely attach an email and everybody says: “oh, you’ll pick it up, you’re a bloke, you’re bound to!” 🙁

Born in the wrong decade.

From the Puro family

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@wolfweed @missy @bluesqueakpip @ichabod @cathannabel @winston  & others

Aw shucks that was awfully decent of you!

Yes, I am now 16. And my acne has really set in. On a positive note, my hair is turning curly and I’m taller.

Thank you  :\

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