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Oh mods. Triple apologies. I actually thought I was on The Sofa!

I’ll  hobble t’way! ……

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Golly & heck & up with it all! We have some mods back!

I’m seeing in my Netflix in box what looks like Dracula with 2 nuns? Is this the great Dracula of which you speak?

I ask only because of the blobs of blood which looked especially suspicious -in a 16th movie of the Twilight Saga-type of thing – during the credits. I really didn’t want any Twilight drama!

Back from NSW. 20 kms from where we were it reached 51 degrees in the shade. Double plus golly.

Aussies are amazing: “yeah, mate, we’re gonna lie on some blow up beds in the middle of another mate’s dam. We got raw sausages which will cook automatically. Hopefully we’ll see you tomorrow, if we make it. We probly will.”

@blenkinsopthebrave @janetteb no doubt you’ll recall the lilting tones of a “slow down time” way of speaking. As dry as the cinders & kindling around them.

Tough in the face of actual hell. Never have I ever seen anything so horrifying. I saw racing fire, horses running for their lives, cattle being shot, whole towns I used to visit since the age of 5 are just gone. Some in a night. 300 full on properties in under 24 hours. Klaxons driven by fire fighters down streets at 3 am saying “go, now. You have 15 minutes.” They might, during  the worst of seasons, serve for 7 days but haven’t stepped down for 3 solid weeks. And they’re volunteers.

Anyway, back to the fun and games. I haven’t seen Who yet, even. I completely forgot about it!

Syzygy.

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@pedant

But the other bit, it’s “and we can do it together.”

Lovely The Buff. So, good. We haven’t watched anything yet. After our evening meal on Christmas ‘eve (Czechs do this on the 24th so the 25th is a very lazy day) I went straight to bed. So hot & humid the jelly was melting.

 

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I think we need to try, all of us, to be better people. This is a frustrating issue, not the least of which is that persons are debating on the same side, I think it’s the manner of communication as well as non-specific vocabulary. The latter tends to sharpen the viewpoints & possibly render division almost non-existent? I think it’s a matter of a better explanation, imo.

Thane.

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@pedant

Ah yes Toby.

But I think this luverly scene fits round about now. Don’t YOU??

 

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@pedant

Niice. Sounds a lot like Patrick Doyle’s thing even though this is 400 years old!

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@whisht

I’m really sorry if it sounded like I thought all uncomfortable feelings are racist. Above, in my post, I was trying to simplify things but I probably wasn’t using the right words. And you’re right, it’s not a game.

when uncomfortable people come together they multiply into those who are angry & …don’t separate fact/fiction.

Yes I was wrong there. I should’ve said that some uncomfortable people multiply into angry people and that some of those who mix with others say “I want to do something” like banning the burka etc.  I should’ve said this correctly: not all uncomfortable people become radicalised into conservatism which becomes xenophobia. But quite a few do?

Thank you Whisht.

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So, for some meditation. Someone said, here’s looking at you Mr @blenkinsopthebrave… Leit motif?

I will now admit for everyone this sad fact: I always thought The Man who Came to Dinner was actually (oh gawd) the same as “guess who’s coming to dinner.”

So when people said “we’re watching The Man Who ….” ” I’d nod enthusiastically & be a little clueless. I have never seen The Man Who Came to Dinner.

Oh boy. Years of my life passed by in ignorance. So, back to the other point. Look over here where I’m not blushing in embarrassment! Did someone (ahem) say Leitmotifssz?

 

 

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@blenkinsopthebrave Orsom! (TM). Thank you.

Loved it!! “drafty sewer you cahl the laarbry!”   Merry Christmas, everybody. And again!!

Syzygy the Snr

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@janetteb

Ah, bangs head 😉

No, you’re right. Danny dies & yes, he’s in a children’s home but chatting with one who was also in a kid’s home -you have mates, brothers & others you don’t always tell things about. Some mad dudette arrives in your room with a great big grey stick insect & you’re not going to open up fully. So, I deduce the idea of who had it was always there. But Moffy, being him, says “pay bloomin’ attention” and therefore in Listen, you hear two words: Family Stuff.” Also, in other eps, “I know when you’re lying. I know the truth. I know when people or others [ie me, Danny] lie.”

So yes maybe the Doctor puts it in the box first.

Clara finds it by rummaging, and pulls it out.

It’s in Danny’s home (back of a cupboard, as you do)

After he dies, a person (who isn’t Clara) claims it, they have grand-kids and one of ’em, Orson, has it in his bag & Clara nicks it &

gives it to the young Doctor who ……puts  it in Rupert’s box.

We know this Doc is pretty old & can’t remember everything -Kill the Moon & Deep Breath.

 

On all the bonkerising. In the end, Clara is talking to Danny about telling him the truth. No call from the ‘future.’ He himself wrote Listen because he laughed & chalk falls….He did say “I’ll be there in a …few minutes” so she knew  where to run.  No pregnancy though there was a lot of debate on that. Likely, she’s been with Danny for 3 months & also travelling with the Doctor. The whole “I can cope with this. I’m in control” set that up.  There was no mini- suction or miniaturisation either as @arbutus  listed the dialogue.

But I read all 11 pages of the thread & it was orsome!  The complexity. Only after watching Buffy did I conclude that, for me, a lot of that doesn’t matter all the time? I’m not saying it’s not fun! It’s huuge fun & the Forum’s <i>traction</i>. For me, it’s relationships. The broad strokes of lives. As Whedon said “it’s not the monsters, it’s the love, folks.” Or the Doctor’s “you don’t really see me.”

But it’s brilliant to watch great telly. In Listen there’s a section? Where the Doctor’s on Orson’s ship. Something like “they prey on the very young, the very old, or the very ill…” and it breaks my heart. Those words are what Moffat’s getting at too, and it’s Capaldi’s pleading which opens up the idea.

Gosh, rambling post. typed by Thane {ahem mother, about time}

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@bluesqueakpip @ Blenkinsopthebrave. You’d know Bernard Keane, Mr Blenk?

A good book A Short History of Stupid is worth it.

Also, as to good books, we know where this comes from & its relevance: “As goode almost kill a man as kill a goode booke; who kills a man, kills a reasonable creature [..] but he who destroys a good booke kills reason itself [ ].”

 

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Thane here

“Dis-ease” = uncomfortable. I then stated that when uncomfortable people come together they multiply into those who are angry & who, as Bonhoeffer stated (read the entire papers as its worth it) don’t separate fact/fiction. Arendt said it’s not the dedicated who are always the problem. The in-between groups are able to follow what other uncomfortable & some racist people do. Some of these people are also stupid.

They have no self-engaged or formal education reading op. eds saying “we’re uncomfortable & we’re willing to do something. We’ll support laws so women don’t wear hijabs or burkas” (CM 16 September 2017).

The uncomfortable become radicalised by conservatism.  Millions of dedicated social media followers sit with adrenaline pumping, ready to fight.  The angry talk with the foolish who birth into stupidity. Ignorance can stop through intense work. For some, it’s hard: 2-3 jobs or tired parents of 4.  Sure you call an ignorant or stupid or uncomfortable person racist, they’ll get angry & the talking stops.

We have to BE better. We have to LISTEN. But I don’t know how to accept there’s stupid, ignorant people. So far they don’t change their opinions.

Sorry, I didn’t wanna tag people in case of anger-management. OK, I was being silly about that: I can’t stand the concept. Anger is a necessity like fear.

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OK. Don’t roll your eyes people. I’m re-doing the Peter Capaldi years.

It’s like a Christmas gift.

I’m pretty sure LISTEN is SILENT (s) so the monster’s an actual monster. The Doctor says: “don’t look in the reflection.” But, during the escapade to the end of the universe, it’s just the ship settling, & its pipes, dry & unused, start knocking. I think Gold’s music helps with this understanding -he’s using a sweeping Beethoven like motif (with a late Romantic style) reaching a climax during Clara’s speech to the young Doctor. So, the Doctor really has based his initial conjecture on experience, but being very clever, can hear his dreams too. The music is re-created, it sounds very much like several famous symphonies but it’s not, it’s Murray’s own,  which led me to think that the music, the romance if you like, is the back drop to reality. It’s ‘balanced out’ that way & co-joined.

There’s no monster at the end of the universe unless it’s the Hybrid….

My question, coming well after Danny’s death is “how did Orson have Pink relatives?”  Did Danny have a brother? But at what point did Dan (Rupert) pass on the toy soldier? Did Clara go back in the moments between her heart beats to find Danny?

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@janetteb ah, see, I edited out the Little Dick.

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@pedant @whisht  @arbutus

Hey YOU! You’ve been gone a very. Long. Time 🙁

I hope all is well in the Arbutus manor?

And that reminds me of another manor!  The @idiotsavon castle!

I spent, ooh, about 3 hours last night watching Listen & reading all the comments. I’m a-watching all of the Peter Capaldi years again. How beautiful. I was reading all ‘youse’ comments including the idiotsavon’s and SO many others. Can I mention some? @fivefaces @chickenelly? Where art thou?

@janetteb Agreed over at the pub.  It’s burning whilst he’s surfin.’  So more Midnights… Yep, he did enter politics but his advisors were …unfortunate. There was scandal (serious) over ceiling batts, poor installation of insulation & his association with them. His political life was very short.

So, Beds was released in response to John Howard’s (former Aus PM, of the Liberal Party -the Conservatives, here) behaviour towards the indigenous peoples. Unfortunately, whilst an apology has happened, their situation is more dire. Meanwhile we’re surrounded by cultural elites, drinking their champers, setting up their YT channels, with no care or respect for politics beyond: “I don’t like politics. And mum always said you can’t discuss religion either.”

In my opinion, those two things should be spoken about. A great book by Maddox called God Under Howard. You might like my other copy @janetteb.

 

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@whisht

I think mum was muttering about “embarrassed xenophobia.” I had to look it up! It’s suggesting that if a group are uncomfortable, they’re feeling “dis-ease” or “ill at ease.” When one person thinks this way it might be fine. If a group is born from that feeling they might feel embarrassed about being xenophobic. Eventually if more people enter the frame then they’ll eventually say or do something which they’re not embarrassed about anymore. In fact, according to some book I’m really trying to read properly (it’s hard going & I don’t know where she finds these things) called The Enigma of Reason, its’ easy to go from “dis-ease” to anger. It’s 2 steps.

Anywaay, it’s Christmas really soon.

Thane

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@lisa Thank you, yes I’m doing well. Mum & I share our ‘handle’ as, if she’s a bit crap with Crohns (very literal!), I join in.

I’ve finished school this year with an OP 8 which is hard to say in American or even other Aussie terms! I did all Humanities subjects all rated at ‘9’ or less where top Maths, physics, chemistry were rated at 2-5 & web design & design art were 6-7 ratings. I would love to love horses but I always sneeze a lot. Even 200 metres from them. I think it’s the hay etc & not the horses. Mum has a terrifying story when she turned 15 I’ll tell you at the bottom.

It sounds like she is a campy camper, your daughter.  I never knew what that phrase meant when I was 7?  I’m permanently happy. It’s weird. Maybe I take after my dad? Mum’s the “old Czech grumpy one” with a frown forever on her forehead. That’s OK, because my grandad (he’d been 92 or something if he were still alive) was always like that & now my  uncle is sort of like that but he’s still optimistic. I think it’s because he’s doing more than OK financially, has been retired & self-pensioned, or self-superannuated (which is totally the wrong term), & never watches the TV or any newspapers in the last year or more which I think is pretty …..odd.

We have no newspapers delivered. I think I last touched one when I was in grade 6 as it’s all on-line. We have ABC radio which has no advertisements & is fabulous to listen to from the cricket to ‘what to read for your Christmas bucket list’ as well as politics. But we’re really parochial here. I’ve heard next to nothing about UK politics & as America is our ally we hear a lot about you, but very little detail. Here it’s mainly fires or storms.

As a surprise, grandma took mum & her best mate to a riding place. The people were weird. They put mum on ‘Thunder, a tall horse which started cantering down a hill & she could barely stop it. Then, they tried her on a gelding which was ‘Lightening’ & it galloped for 20 minutes with mum screaming & nearly falling off. Her helmet blew off, they caught up with it because it was heading for the troughs as it hadn’t had breakfast. Meanwhile her best friend had a great ol’ time. They stuck Mum on Red Ned 30 minutes later & he never moved at all! It wasn’t a good day!

Thane.

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@blenkinsopthebrave You did, you thought right the 1st time & you’re right the 2nd time (or is that the 3rd?). I was aiming for pithy. Instead you got the pith. 🙂  That was my first ever CD -$29.99.

Thank you. We do need an uplift.

@whisht @pedant

Dixie Chicks

 

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@pedant

Yes, exactly Hannah Arendt.   What more to say. 🙁

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@bluesqueakpip

Yes, the point was that people may not have time to read pamphlets. The balanced views written on pamphlets may’ve been ditched due to a busy schedule with commuters listening to talk-radio hosts -this just from Remainer friends in the UK & the husband’s family who don’t have time for reading (they’re working 2 or 3 jobs due to conservative austerity funding & thank you @whisht for reminding me it’s been 9 to 10 years of austerity “lets get back to surplus” causing exhaustion: emotionally, intellectually, physically) & who do listen to radio shows where there’s lots of call ins from “Alan from Brentwood” or “Little Joey from Romford” & where it’s very much about confirmation bias. “It’s OK folks, to want your paki bosses or Polish colleagues to disappear back to where they came from. Britain for the British.”

Job done. They claim not to have any time to fully read the outcomes of potential decisions. They trust Johnson because he comes across as intelligent & a man of the people when he’s really not. And I can see you’re as frustrated by him as whisht or pedant or anyone else.

As you say, it’s complicated. At least I think it is. I’m wondering though how complex it really is because the EU & the direction it went in the 70s has been forgotten. How many people can live in a country where most of their agrarian needs come from abroad? Where it’s a service economy, where industries existing in the 7os or 6os are abandoned & where major factory work exists abroad simply because of the size of it. The UK is SO small & so at a basic level if you leave the EU how exactly will this economically benefit the country.

I think I’ve seen it as common sense to stay -in the past & my thinking hasn’t changed.

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@lisa

I totally sympathise with you & your orange headed twerp. Thing is, though, there are some who are equally twerpy, like Boris, and, like Trump, wouldn’t know the cost of milk unless their assistants gave ’em a heads up.

All are welcome to comment, obviously, Lisa. My point was that you may’ve seen “ah, the CONS are back in, let’s go and congratulate them as this is a vote for Brexit.” You’ve spoken before about Brexit & disappeared when the arguments became a tad heated/factual. Recently, even a hasty look will’ve shown the implicit worry for their kids/grandkids. That’s what it is. When you live there. It’s a worry is all.

But merry Christmas to you and your family. I hope they are well.

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@lisa

The “Australian model” your sister writes about is worthless, I’m afraid. It’s a difficult thing to manage, you see.

There have been massive increases in pharmacological prescriptions and devices.

How do they ‘get around it’ to make a profit? They remove certain items from the PDB (the Pharma Day Book -see listing under Legislation July, 2019, HR & Senate), place them under a ‘ban from prescription’ rule so consumers & patients pay more by 20%. In order to keep the items or ‘scripts cheaper, the GP rings Medicare, quotes a number & bravo it’s the same cost. Except it aint.

You can only purchase it at the cheaper price if you buy FOUR times the quantity. Never mind that you don’t need it & by the time you’re a third of the way thru, the various side effects will’ve kicked in, or the patient has died, or there’s no place to store it because some poor granny lives in a top floor area where the meds must be stored in a non humid environment under 21 degrees Celsius & so the bloody lot goes in the bin.

The following year pharma & the legislature puts the now-non prescription drugs BACK on the list but because it’s occurred within the one financial year it looks as though we’re doing brilliantly & the patients are very happy.

The Doctors get annoyed, the pharmacy is running back & forth with “yes it’s available with a script. Oops, not any more, oh hang on, if you get 4 boxes of a 100 each you can get it for $89.00 instead of one box for $25”

Then there’s the quantity itself. The problems that causes when patients who have 4 boxes of stuff, added to another 4 boxes of other stuff, added to 8 boxes of MORE stuff. They make a mistake, they die.

Sometimes they don’t make a mistake. They take the whole goddam lot & die.

Australia’s model is totally shit folks.

Syzygy the Elder

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@pedant @lisa

Fair enough Lisa. You came back after 2 years away, knowing there’s a 1% “i’m a Leaver” on this Forum, by the regulars, to ‘rub it in.’

Also “hope the next season of Who is better than last year!” comment. If you read many of the regular’s posts in the past year or more, the new season was welcomed by & large. Sure, like anything, there’s a few crumbs to be vacuumed & kinks to be ironed out.

So, not cool, Lisa.

The Old Puro & Thane.

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@pedant

Nope, I didn’t know that.  That’s me told!   Skittering off to do homework, whilst listening to this song live on YT. Thankyup, totally new to me.

 

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@pedant

Oh Fuck me you owe me a keyboard.

You should tweet that flippin’ everywhere!

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@blenkinsopthebrave

Absolutely! In fact, I be a tad envious [ahem] I didn’t put that up before.

It’s his usual arpeggio & chordal treatment but one loves the …..it’s coming ….it’s coming…..chord 1  but not yet…not yet….pedal point it a bit more….& ……da. duuuuum.

OK. I’m being very silly.  It’s terrific & I love it.

@pedant  rough trade, eh? Is this an effort to have the pub in the music hall? 🙂

 

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@pedant

Man! I didn’t see your reply. Despite the ‘tick’ I’m not getting notifications from the music thread. Possibly because, I’ve been naughty & not nice so yes, a tad of a trigger but also because you know, Thane really liked him & then really despised him. The memes on the internet are pretty funny unless you’re …him. This is like He Who Should Never Be Named.

I was thinking of d’other choon too? JD’s Shadowplay, I think. Can’t remember if it’s correct title ‘n’ all. I remember the harsh, liminal voice. I remember that f’sure.

There’s pub action. A lot of action.

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So because of Dracula I thought of the Bernard score which @blenkinsopthebrave might like. Also because of the Quatermass Xperiment & Torture Garden.  Mmm, Torture Garden sounds like ….the name of a band…. 🙂

It’s short but has all the right “ooh, scary! Terrifying moments!!!”

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@bluesqueakpip

Again, you see, I never said this. And others reading your response would assume I was ignorant of a political situation.

Me:

would it be politic to ensure everyone understands the consequences. DO busy folk read the pamphlets? Or do they listen to hyped up talk show hosts on their way to Boots? Are they Guardian readers? And should that matter?

You:

our country may be run by politics nerds, but the politics nerds get elected by everyone. Part of that is admitting that the person who doesn’t have much time for politics should still have a say in how they’re governed. 

Yes, of course people who don’t have time for politics should have a say in how they’re governed. To admit anything else is tyranny.

My point was do people have time to read pamphlets? Do they prefer water cooler talk or listening to radio talk shows? Fox News Talk? BBC radio? Where Marr’s so-called ‘explosive rant’ against Johnson wasn’t explosive. Such magnification is worsening in a fear culture already made worse by austerity-chambered weaponry.  The exaggeration, the pit-bulling, the overt radicalised speech of so-called ‘conservatives’ occurs across vast echo chambers which existed less within dignified debates where a non-weasel word-usage- faraday cage focused the   suffrage debate.

Excusing all of this with “this is democracy” is insufficient. On your point that the Constitution can cope with the election of an idiot is problematic when you peer beneath the surface & look at an amendment which allows people to keep & bear arms. The Founding Fathers weren’t thinking of 6 idiots with semi automatics in a Dodge Durango. Or walking into a church AA meeting with a weapon because most states have shall-issue laws with minimum criteria for what’s ‘good cause.’

The Senior Syzygy.

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@blenkinsopthebrave  Me too!  @pedant

I didn’t know that. I knew about Tony Blair when was in my primary school years . The reason not because we studied any politics but because Hugh Grant took on the PM role in Love Actually. Everyone kept saying the character reminded people of Tony Blair

I didn’t know about slavery connected to politics like that. I spent 12 weeks studying this. I bought (or mum did) 4 books & 1 poetry book on slavery & economics. Thank you for that

Thane.

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@pedant duly followed. Incredible. Spawn now has homework. He’s busy reading novels. But with a diet of NorthS***re & docos (the latter from me) he now needs MORE. An appetite for knowledge never to be fulfilled.

The graphic seemed to indicate that Labour wasn’t followed because of Leadership but with Brexit, 2nd & further down.

** @bluesqueakpip Well, honestly, clearly I didn’t fact check with Google. Relying on my own knowledge. I think many people use Google before they post 🙂

Rutherford Hayes won by one ECV. It was Andrew Jackson losing to John Quincy Adams who was behind in the popular vote & lost the electoral college. Admittedly I didn’t fact check. But I get a few points, I think, for remembering it was 48 ‘normal’ elections & 4 abnormals.  The whole thing is worse than actuarial study.

Fractional electoral votes, low African American turnout, promising funds in exchange for electoral college votes, using emotional, undignified language in order to platitudinously repeat “national unity,” preparedness for aggression against minorities, using sexist, homophobic, anti-intellectual language, promoting domestic jingoism & school prayer,  promoting anti-choice for women, to the extent that earlier success for  pro-choice in the 1970s would be denounced & removed. I think that’s sufficient, when combined with loud voices & clever voices, to consider change to America’s EC  – an outdated & ill-equipped system for the modern day. Certainly, that’s all they have, at the moment, & until it changes (& referenda are notoriously anti-democratic according to various political analysts) nothing will change.

Syzygy (typed by Thane today).

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@bluesqueakpip

no, I didn’t make a mistake. I am fully aware of the electoral college having lived in the States for a while.

It was an inversion. Inversions rarely happen. Even Rutherford Hayes lost the popular vote & the electoral college vote at the same time.  All the vote tallies, as aggregates, are frequently out of whack when elections are close.

At times, electoral colleges seem a good thing. The current US Constitution  seems a good thing. Those who argued against it in the 90s, felt it was a dilapidated system, preventing ’emotion’ when emotion can’t be prevented. It’s very difficult to be unemotional. That was certainly the case when Bush was elected by ballots in Florida which were mostly incorrectly counted -however, that’s a separate issue.

good grief. We’re not stupid, here, Blue, seriously.

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I thought this would work or fit the times.

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@bluesqueakpip

Just from you point of view in the comments above, I was disconcerted as to the responses. I was also  interested in how people felt about Re/Brxt : it’s a complicated mess.

If the message of the referendum is deliberately misleading, then legally, I suppose, one could find an alternate measure of more accurate reasons for Brexit.

“One law for rich and poor alike, that allows them equally to take time off to fight extensive legal cases?”

I believe I wasn’t clear. This was about how the message of Brexit was displayed. The 1st post, earlier, said “the Pakis are taking our jobs. Mosques….not churches” which is, as you say, ridiculous. But my family-in-law & their voluminous friends had these opinions over many years.  Reasons for Brexit were hidden behind mantras on radio, telly, in child care or advanced education & tech. centres. And yes, who would have the time & money to fight legal cases? I don’t think I hinted at this?  The  person you’ve been chatting with for 6 years now isn’t that silly, is she? 😀

I was referring to constitutional or, more properly, conventional legal Argument or Opinion which would inquire into the Matter, determining the composition of the argument & parties in favour of Brexit or Remain, correctly ‘educated’ the public allowing for impartial judgements involving the ‘organs’ of government: local, county, regional (the Scottish legislature having greater power over its citizens than other regions) according to the Acts of Parliament. Obviously, some dolly taking time off work, selling their 100 000 pound home in order to ‘fight’ the ‘incorrect messaging’ wasn’t my secret plan to fight inflation. Nope, sorry, my automaton brain meant the secret plan to fight Brexit.

I’m aware this is such a personal problem, too. I don’t live there. Our referenda are markedly different in their measurement.  Also, I don’t think anyone on this Forum, who’s a regular, would ever think that communism was a lesser evil than fascism (though Corbyn from what you’ve all said might disagree!). In the end, the message & its conveyance, it’s method of conveyance caused a problem. Also Brexit-parliamentary supporters were unprepared for the result.

As for “how many times” -I think that’s a difficult point. If the entire country will change, would it be politic to ensure everyone understands the consequences. DO busy folk read the pamphlets? Or do they listen to hyped up  talk show hosts on their way to Boots? Are they Guardian readers? And should that matter?

All perfectly good questions.

I don’t want to tag people who may be interested in this because it appears I started a war. I apologise if it came across like that. I honestly was looking for answers and ideas. In my original post, I was amazed about the ‘provenance’ of your Labour leader.

…when I did put it down to simple racism. But then Trump came in and suddenly the exact same people who’d been bitterly complaining about people not accepting Obama were hysterically rejecting Trump…

On this I must disagree. Trump is a dreadful leader. He did not emerge victorious according to the vote-count. He’s a mad-man tweeting because he can’t remember what he’s actually said in meetings. His attitude towards Defence is appalling & has had horrendous consequences for service men & women, including Military Intelligence in Australia.  Trump ought to be rejected & impeached. He doesn’t acknowledge Islam as a religion. He wants walls tendered to separate Mexicans from “true Americans.” And “global warming is fake news.”

Comparing Obama & Trump, or Clinton & Trump is a tad unjust. And the message there was also wrong: “We will re-open Detroit & put industry back where it belongs” and people believed him. He was lying. Or stupid. Or both.

 

 

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Crikey, it’s way past my bedtime. But, in thinking of  immigrants & how different voters felt immigration to be a cacophony, with tolerance for only “some” but not “others” I’m reminded of Marcuse -at least I think it is: the law & order are everywhere the law & order which protect the established hierarchy.

I would say voters were oppressed, if the falsity of the referendum  wasn’t exposed. Are they owed the truth?

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@bluesqueakpip

You were suggesting not all votes are equal because, by almost voting for the Lib Dems, which have anti-Brexit stance, you were attempting to unseat the unpleasant Labour candidate?

Had you done so, even though you oppose Remain, it would appear to others as ‘mildly fickle’ or worse, ‘using’ your vote for a specific reason -to unseat a candidate (I’m not supporting that view but imagining a stance which could be taken & how you’d feel about this/others) but this is a question of local communities & not all parties would be ‘banging on’ about Brexit. Surely it’s acceptable to vote a candidate in because 8 important reasons affect you, for example,  and two others, may not. The lesser of the two evils in this instance?

If the message of the referendum is deliberately misleading, then legally, I suppose, one could find an alternate measure of more accurate reasons for Brexit. It seemed to me that this election still focussed on Leave/Remain. If this is so, then it could suggest that people were beginning to change their mind and now that they understood some of the devastating consequences of Brexit, wanted to ‘back out and Remain.’ However the stats you outline suggest that’s not the case.

But the 4 year break & the continued ‘bantering’ would demonstrate Brexit’s lack of a coherent plan & most importantly, the means of delivery, the chosen phrases for campaigns, disingenuous, and when Brexit was in, I’m sure it surprised the established hierarchy as they’d not predicted the result. In this case the votes, either equal or not,   were based on a number of false arguments. Thus, the referendum should ‘fail.’  If the votes are counted country-wide, then I’m assuming again that there’s no 7 step process as exist here.

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another qu I was too silly to ask, was “how was the referendum counted?”

here, it’s the majority of people (nationwide) in a majority of states or a “double majority.” A triple majority is if  referendum affects people directly in a specific state & where a majority is also required.

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@bluesqueakpip  *”deliberate rantings by madmen” ie British Labour.

also @pedant the bracket there  lost your name.

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@fatmaninabox @winston @bluesqueakpip @pedant @blenkinsopthebrave & any others I’ve left out.

On many levels, this is very bad. I had no idea proportional representation didn’t exist. I had no clue Corbyn was  Marxist, anti-Semitic, pro IRA.

@fatmaninabox my sympathy to you, Your story emerged from a significant personal relationship which ended in despair. It spotlights the reality that it’s about flesh & blood, quivering loyalty & standing tall for those who can’t stand at all. I know a little about what you’ve been going thru, yet despite that, you hold your beliefs & tell what they are & why. I’m not always good with words, but I think that’s brave & righteous. I refer to Capaldi’s speech a lot lately:  “where I stand is where I fall.. I do what I do because it’s right, it’s decent….” and that’s what you’re doing.

@janetteb did you know this about the UK? I feel hideously stupid.  The other side of the coin is that I can change that.

We’re now looking at an absolute majority for 2016, a majority for parties who promised Brexit in their manifestos in 2017, the Brexit Party the largest single party in the European elections…

‘Squeak…Is it consistent though? If the wrong message was sent to the wrong people -ie “Pakis are taking all your jobs;  more mosques than Christian chapels” & a vindictive social media campaign propelled a lop-sided message, would it be appropriate to have a “do-over?”

Also, & I’m no statistician, it’s not about “equality of votes” but the percentage indicator of those votes so if “Parties with some sort of anti-Brexit (or at least pro-2nd referendum) stance got 53% of the vote” (@pedant) & not 52% then that’s not relativist. Is it sophistry to say “some votes are more equal than others” or 52 & 53% are close enough to be good enough, especially when the message was bolloxed to begin with and the %s are pesky humans.

Musically, D major is wonderful to compose in. C sharp Maj. not so much. And yet they’re so close.

telling someone born and bred in the UK that they should suck up the insults because, Palestinian children.

Absolutely! But your next sentence had me bamboozled (which is my problem!): did Jewish families move accounts off-shore or was this a deliberate ranting?

Syzygy the Snr. So, it’s not doing the young one’s homework.

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@missy

I didn’t realise your husband’s condition was terminal. I’m so sorry to hear this. Do the doctors think he’ll be with you and your daughter at Christmas?

the life of sorrows, isn’t it?

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@pedant

Awful. I was listening to her literally 3 days ago on Sunday night. Checking out my CDs & bits & bobs.

triffic voice.  It Must Have Been Love also rocketed them up with Christmas For The Broken Hearted.

 

@whisht  Ah! Yes, this one I know -not the song, though so thanks for that. I heard Kramer was jailed for dealing but ended up playing with Red Rodney who’d been in the Parker Quintet (loved the ‘Bird’). A friend is a big Bragg fan & apparently Bragg & Kramer set up Jail Guitar Doors 10 years ago? I had no idea about that.

It’s good to know good musicians aren’t always put to pasture, unless you’re that dude from The Smiths & need  knackermen 🙂

Syzygy Senior

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@cathannabel I’m so sorry to hear this. So sorry. Anything you need, we’re here….Or just for the peace of knowing someone’s there but you may not  want to talk – just at the moment.  It’s not easy to find cheerful music but I shall look.

All our love, the Syzygy family. xxx

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@whisht

I DO hope you realise I was joking?   Regarding “Syd.”

Also, *PM = Prime Minister. Personally I refer to it as Little Dick. Childish I know. Still.

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@whisht I had a whole post & it was eaten. By your PM, probably.

But Syd? What did I ever do to you, huh? huh?

I’m gonna give you one back. The longest Bon Jovi song I can find! Huh! That’ll do you!

Tories and right-wing Press going with increasingly ‘populist’ messages (ie bigoted/ racist/ lock-’em-up/ scary Marxist Armageddon). But even a PM who won’t acknowledge a photo of a 4 yr old boy with suspected pneumonia, lying on coats on a hospital floor due to lack of beds/funding, isn’t losing votes.

I know you guys didn’t rule the world by being nice. But you took care of your people, I think. Does good overpower evil? I’m a listing ship broken in the wind: I’m not sure I believe that anymore. But I see it in nurses who stay overtime; in a teacher who takes an interest in a shy, scared kid; in doctors who dedicate time, despite their mounting debts, helping injured people after a “senseless attack.”

That Capaldi speech about being kind keeps springing to mind. And I think last year’s Very Nu-Who was bringing up the very messages people needed to hear but without yelling & rampaging & massive distractions by the ….BBC?

The ABC still (I think) has the capacity to continually expose govt cranks but more people are brainwashed into thinking the ABC is some secret satellite of the USSR. Mainly because there’s reds under every bed, still, & naturally, the USSR is basically the same animal.

Music…for no real reason (other than to distract & annoy you!) & because whatever you may think of him, Jon wrote awesome choons. Even Mr Bowie said so….

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@bluesqueakpip  and @miapatrick

Whoa. Is  CBT Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and OCAS? The Online College of Advanced Stem?

Very confusing indeed!

As for vowels? Oh yes, agreed – as does (loosely, I admit) this esteemed man of the people. “Subsidised foreign f**king vowels”

High voltage swearing:

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@janetteb

have you seen the new Sennheiser MB Pro 2 headphones? They’re Bluetooth enabled. I’d avoid anything Kogan from  experience but the Logitech ‘phones work quite well -again from experience at university & in high school where kids are coding, watching plays for drama modules, musical composition. etc….

I might head to the pub for this…..

Syzygy the Senior 😀

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@pedant. Thank you kindly!

By Grandma’s Hammer!

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@janetteb I never saw S & S (I believe I have 2 DVDs of it. If I can find it, I’ll post one of ’em). Nor Galaxy Quest. That sounds ……interesting! QI was brilliant. Have you kept up with the new series? I love it equally. Another fab female. Speaking of……

This isn’t really Who related . But as our Jodie Whittaker sang Yellow for CIN I can connect it.

Back before internet & other fun we had a great show from Scotland, No**h Square (yep I really want to hide it) with Phil Davis (Sherlock & other magic), Kevin McKidd & my personal girl-crush Helen McCrory, who at 50-something is more beautiful than she was in the 90s. Then she was shit-hot & pretty, now, she’s on another level. Oh, this is Syzygy talking, not the younger one who will soon be introduced to this fantabulous show. Cold Play’s song is on Helen Mac’s radio as she’s zooming to Liverpool.

On another note I’d mentioned Marcella? The first 5 eps seemed pretty good & then it stunk. Something ridiculous happened. So if you want it-makes-sense-telly please skip that one. That one I’m happy saying out loud. Though the words I have for it aren’t good ‘out loud’ words.

Are we all holding up pre Silly Season?

 

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Senior Syzygy here. Oh, am I a “senior” now, @pedant!

*Beaming*

Promised violence of the Christmas kind.

Followed by something different.

Syzygy.

 

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@janetteb

I lost grades in first year Uni due to spelling it being before the days of hand written essays. 

Blimey. Did you have to read them aloud?

😀

Oh, hang on, you had exams, not assignments. Gotcha. It took me 24 hours to work that out.  Talk about slow! Sorry about that.

I was always told if you rode a bike once, you can ride it always. I was one of those. As for ball & racket sports, out of the question.  I could manage badminton. Until I joined a raggedy club of pretty nasty blokes who laughed sarcastically every time I missed a serve. Never went back/

Trolls eat smaller trolls. I think. I must use empirical testing, data & graphs for certain.

Also, back to the Christmas viewing questions? Are we watching Scrooge with Mr Sim? Or It’s a Wonderful Life? Or, something more ‘modern’ like Die Hard (I like the airport one) although Die Hard 1 has some funny lines: “come to the coast, we’ll get together, have a few laughs.” Makes me smile every time. Off to the pub for violence….

Syzygy

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