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@wolfweed Ooh… all three of them with their hand on the big red button.

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Just in time to coincide with release of the trailer, this week we’re discussing this episode again. Previous comments are above, but really start here:

http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/s33-7-14-the-name-of-the-doctor/

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@scaryb et al

I’ve started a blog to discuss the trailer now that it is on the BBC’s site

http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/sidrat/the-trailer-discuss-it-here/

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@magnetite @timeloop

Yes, the BBC have given in and posted it. I’ve started a blog to discuss it there as it’s no longer a spoiler, but still…

http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/sidrat/the-trailer-discuss-it-here/

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@scaryb Yes, that’s the one. They must have given in and decided to post it!

Certainly this page is safe, but I think I’ll do a blog, as PhaseShift suggested

http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/forums/topic/spoilers/page/14/#post-20350

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@blenkinsopthebrave @scaryb

I think it’s a great idea too. Yes, email them to me. As admin I know everyone’s email address, so sending them to me would not be revealing anything I don’t already know.

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@timeloop Yes, it is.

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@scaryb I know. And if they are thinking about promotional budgets, they really don’t have to spend anything on Doctor Who or Sherlock, the fans and the press will do it all for them for free (although I have to say that I don’t quite get the appeal of Sherlock. I’m a huge fan of the original books and have read them all – bought the literary equivalent of a box set when I was 16. But Sherlock leaves me a bit cold.)

The trailer (we think the Sunday one, there are supposedly two) leaked early and IS being discussed in Spoilers. Some Peruvian TV station posted it on their Facebook page a day early! As soon as it goes up the BBC get it taken down, only for it to pop up somewhere else. Someone’s head is gonna roll…

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@chickenelly @timeloop

Enjoy while it lasts…

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/leaked-the-day-of-the-doctor-trailer-54930.htm

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@wolfweed It’s not very good for you!

Other thing I noticed is a distinct lack of other Time Lords (but it is only 40 secs).

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@wolfweed Could just be a joke about a big red reset button. It’s the biggest, reddest button ever! Do like the fact that there are three TARDISs. Hurt’s does look great.

Was almost more interested to see Clara using a vortex manipulator (and looking like she knew what she was doing) – is that River’s vortex manipulator?

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Do you think that’s what Moffat meant when he said Doctor Who would be all over TV?

Is a bit poor if it is…

Just saying… not being ARSEy.

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I got all excited. On re-watch am now thinking it could be all massive misdirection.

“The moment is coming” could have nothing to do with “The Moment” and much of what we see could be flashback, or the first 5 minutes. But Rose does seem to be in Bad Wolf mode (can she absorb the TARDIS twice?)

Moffat… You’ve pulled a blinder again.

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Oh my giddy Aunt!

The Moment, definitely! Rose in full-on Bad Wolf mode (well, glowing eyes anyway).

So why use The Moment if she can delete all the Daleks again? That was my very first thought.

Must re-watch. Maybe they (meaning multiple Doctors) don’t use The Moment. Is Rose gonna be The Real Moment?

As I said, must re-watch.

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You can watch it here… but was mostly a book promotion.

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Neil Gaiman interviews J.J. Abrams on Newsnight about Sci-Fi, very shortly.

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@miapatrick Many congrats from me too. That is a simply superb result. You must be so pleased.

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@wolfweed I forgot about those! I think if it’s a TV show with millions of viewers then it’s basically public knowledge.

I love the hive mind. @whisht @arkleseizure @scaryb Brilliant idea. Trailers thread is great and one I’ll keep for the future, but I’d like to keep the thread number down if possible and discussion of the trailer would seem to fit with the 50th thread.

Of course, if everything goes a bit Pete Tong after Saturday I may instigate a Trailer thread very quickly.

Closing the site has crossed my mind but, again, I’ll wait until after Saturday to see what starts happening. We closed it because, supposedly (I don’t think it was ever confirmed), some people got their DVD box sets before the final episode. There have been no reports of leaks this time.

But if people feel strongly about it I will close the site to new members, say, a week before airing just in case (or is that too late).

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@wolfweed. I’ve edited it for you. I don’t think it’s a big deal though as it was on the BBC site but I can also see @nick‘s point and why @pedant thought better of it (I was wondering what that post was about, by the way).

It’s gonna be an interesting couple of weeks and there will be people who aren’t happy.

I wonder, though, and this is a question to everyone, how we can discuss the trailer? Are there people who don’t even want to see the trailer so they know nothing? And if there are, wouldn’t they be better, as @scaryb suggests, avoiding the internet?

The trailer will contain details that will be poured over and speculated on. Every frame will be analysed. It will bring much joy to many on this site, but it will, perhaps, spoil it in some way for others.

I think I agree with @scaryb that The Radio Times now contains comment pieces that do sometimes discuss what I would consider spoilers so should probably be removed as a non-spoiler source. But anything on the official site and shown on the BBC has to be fair game for posts and pics in “News”. So I think I’d like to propose the following:

Spoiler alert

The trailer will be freely discussed on this site. BBC press releases will be freely discussed on this site. Please stay away if you don’t want to know anything at all until you put on those 3D glasses. Really, it’s for your own good.

Please let me know if think I’m wrong or would like to add anything.

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@scaryb Yes, very exciting. I should really have put it in “News” but was a bit discombobulated.

It came from Puffin, the publishers. Is nice to think we’re now on the radar.

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Press release:

Neil Gaiman commented: ‘Nothing O’Clock stars the Eleventh Doctor, the Matt Smith Doctor, with Amy Pond as his companion. I set it somewhere during the first season of Matt Smith, mostly on Earth, in our time now and in 1984, but also somewhere else, a very, very long time ago. I had never created an original monster for Doctor Who and really enjoyed getting to create a creepy Doctor Who monster of the kind that we haven’t quite seen before… I hope that the Kin will get out there and occasionally give people nightmares. And that you will be worried if a man in a rabbit mask comes to your door and tries to buy your house.’

Neil Gaiman (@neilhimself) is the bestselling author of more than twenty books for adults and children, including the novels The Ocean at the End of the Lane, Neverwhere, Stardust, American Gods, Anansi Boys, Coraline, The Graveyard Book and Fortunately, the Milk as well as the Sandman series of graphic novels, and two episodes of Doctor Who (‘The Doctor’s Wife’ and ‘Nightmare in Silver’). He has received numerous literary honours including the Locus and Hugo Awards and the Newbery and Carnegie Medals. Almost two million people follow him on Twitter: @neilhimself. Born and raised in England, he now lives in the USA, with his wife, the rock star Amanda Palmer. He is Professor of the Arts at Bard University. His hair is ridiculous.

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Wow, I just got a press release. Am a bit shocked. I didn’t think we were important. !

Neil Gaiman is the author of the eleventh short story in Puffin’s series celebrating the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who.

Gaiman’s story is called “Nothing O’Clock” and is to released globally as an ebook on 21st November.

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@wolfweed Can I just, kind of, like you in a manly kind of way. You da man!

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@wolfweed I think hotlinking to that site may be disabled. How dare they!

Here’s the link: http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35900000/Fanart-doctor-who-35992300-362-500.jpg

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@wolfweed See. No reason to beat yourself up. They hang around to witness the reaction.

@pedant For once we may be in agreement. Will see what I can do.

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@jimthefish We get the seal of approval!

The rest of you… Well, Ming has his eye on you 😀

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@phaseshift Just checked my copy in the Revisitations 3 box set and, yes, you’re right. It is on there. Can’t imagine why I never got round to watching it before.

In fact, I think I’m going to watch the whole of Disc 2 now, as it seems I never have. It also has a cast and crew doc about the making, a history of the Cybermen (looking forward to that), a look at the process that turns found film back into video (I won’t know why that’s important until I watch) and, almost literally the icing on the cake, a Doctor Who themed advert for a new range of ice lollies.

And if anyone liked Christopher Frayling entertainingly spouting great fact after great fact, I would highly recommend any of his commentaries on Sergio Leone’s spaghetti westerns, although the one on the special edition of “Once Upon a Time in The West” is a masterclass on how to do a DVD commentary. Done as only a historian with a great respect for the subject could.

Like me, he loves Leone’s westerns (and Clint Eastwood movies in general). When he was knighted he chose a latin motto that roughly translates as “Go ahead punk, make my day”. He’s an academic who loves popular culture and treats it as important instead of despising it. He’d be very welcome here.

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@whisht Cheers, and no worries, I’ll get better at it. And if I don’t I’ll just give @phaseshift a shout. He’s well good at it!

@wolfweed Don’t worry about it at all. You did absolutely nothing wrong. I’m beginning to think being offended is a new form of trolling. “If I don’t get a reaction from my posts I’m going to pretend to be offended then delete myself, then watch as these nice people, y’know, those with a bit of a conscience, beat themselves up about it”.

It really does seem to be happening more and more.

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@wolfweed @Shazzbot

d12345 was, indeed, from Croatia (given his .hr email address), so I can forgive the bad spelling. But his spelling did appear to improve as he tried a bit harder and, as you say Shazzbot, I did try to give him every opportunity to actually join in.

What I find sadly amusing is that someone who initially came on here to try and annoy and offend people can actually be offended themselves so quickly, and by not very much. Imagine if we’d really tried to troll him!

It seems to be a bit of a pattern. People join to try and annoy us, or waste our time (“Please write a long reply in response to my stupid question about the Doctor that’s been asked many times before.”), or they’re just naturally annoying without any real intent. But if we annoy them a tiny bit they’re off. “I’m so offended I’m deleting myself… for the third time! And I hate you all!”

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@d123456 Your theory is not a spoiler. It’s the reference to IDW magazine. Not everyone reads that so it should be kept here. We’re just trying to be careful.

If it hasn’t been in the show, or hasn’t been announced by the BBC or in The Radio Times, it should, just to careful, be posted here.

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@whohar I’d be interested to read it myself anyway. I used to read scripts for the likes of Miramax, Newline and the BBC so, if you want, I can give you a few comments too. Although it was 99% rejection and about all I’ve got to show for that whole time is one scene in “Sliding Doors” so it may not be worth much.

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@d123456 I don’t want you to take this the wrong way because I’m glad you’re back. Just as I was glad you started using paragraphs. And I think your post is great. I really do. It’s a proper, bonkers theory.

However, the spoilers thread is the only place for spoilers. And on this site, anything that is not on the BBC site (or on The Radio Times, although sometimes that does have spoilers) is counted as a spoiler.

So I hope you don’t mind that we moved your post.

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I found this documentary on “Tomb” which puts a lot of the story in context, both in terms of script and casting. And it features the great Christopher Frayling who I really admire. The man is just a genius.

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@ All. This week’s episode up for discussion in our Steven Moffat retrospective is The Bells of Saint John.

And in our BG episodes discussion we’re discussing the final episode of Tomb of The Cybermen.

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@Shazzbot Sorry, forgot how I set up the non-Doctor stuff. Theatre forum now in place so you can move your topic to there. It won’t break any links as any hierarchy of forums and topics is just for illusion and all just a bit wibbly wobbly.

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@Shazzbot It’s uploaded. Let me know if you can’t edit the Home page and I’ll do it.

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@Shazzbot Go ahead and create the topic. I’ll find something and if you hate it we can easily change it afterwards.

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@wolfweed I like that. I had thought of Talons but couldn’t find something that grabbed me. That’s nice and subtle.

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@wolfweed @Shazzbot

I may be able to do something with it. Or there’s these:

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@defenderofearth12

We already know about the raffle. It was posted all over this forum a couple of days ago by someone calling themselves badlydrawngirl. Know her by any chance.

I left one link up. Everybody now knows about it. Now stop spamming it. I will delete every link you post to it for the reason above.

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@whisht I don’t see anything of yours in spam so it may not have arrived. And no worries asking, that’s what I’m here for.

Please try posting again now.

I’ve just unspammed almost everything in spam (then deleted it, as I thought spamming something benign may be creating some of the current issues), so apologies if some people got some old messages from the likes of DrTennant.

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@scaryb I thought a black header would be appropriate for a few days (but didn’t want to make a fuss). Also, it felt a bit like the stars had gone out. Thanks for your PM too, by the way.

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I love this one. Ahooooooooooooooo

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@Shazzbot Yes it touches me a great deal as well.

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@fatmaninabox I’ve ‘unspammed’ your post. We’re having a bit of an issue at the moment. I use Akismet (WordPress’s anti-spam service) but in the last week or two it has begun to throw up more false positives than normal – maybe they’ve changed the algorithm a bit. I’m keeping an eye on it and may stop using it if it continues.

@whohar Thanks, I’ve deleted all but one of them and will keep an eye on it.

 

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@drtennant

You know what, you don’t even need to antagonise me. I don’t like you and your “curcomestances”. I don’t know what sort of perverse joy you get out of this, but I’ve had enough of your inanity.

Go do something constructive with your life.

Consider yourself deleted.

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@drtennant No real reason other than I loved @jimthefish ‘s drawing and it fitted with the redesign. But turns out that new Troughton episodes have recently been found, and HTPBDET was a fan of Troughton.

Funny how things work out.

I will still delete you, without a second thought, if you antagonise me tonight.

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@drtennant I’ll let it go, but given the circumstances and your past posting history I think you’re being a little bit glib.

But if you want a recommendation, I like The Ark in Space.

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@drtennant Hmmmm. Skating and thin ice come to mind. If you even try to start an argument tonight you will be deleted.

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It truly is tragic news about @htpbdet today. Before this forum was ever formed he was one of the posters on the Guardian that I always enjoyed reading when I used to lurk there. His opinions were always strongly held and, even if I didn’t always agree with them, he always had good, clear reasons for them.

I was overjoyed when he signed up over here as I knew we’d be in for some great contributions. But he surpassed even my wildest imagination with his heartfelt and moving blog posts which, I know, touched many.

I know from personal correspondence when he was first ill that he really appreciated this little corner of the internet and the people that populate it. I’m so glad I was able to help him continue to post during that time, and to know that participating on this forum brought him so much joy throughout what could have been a quite miserable and frightening time.

He said to me he was concerned he wouldn’t live to see the 50th Anniversary Special and I told him if it got that bad we would petition Moffat to give him a special advance screening. I’m just sorry that this has happened so suddenly that we can’t do that. I actually would have tried my damned hardest to make it a reality.

However, I am overjoyed that he got to see his son married to the McGann boy on Thursday. My thoughts are with all his family today. I hope the funeral and wake was a good one. He deserved a great send off. I would like to think his coffin was TARDIS blue.

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