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10 December 2013 at 10:14 #22533
Re @craig‘s vid link – that’s really lovely. 😆 at Moffat taking photos! And CB milking the “we” for all he’s worth. Shame they didn’t have a “Happy Birthday” from Sylvester – only one* they missed out 😥 (must’ve been away filming the Hobbit (did you know he’s in the Hobbit?! 😉 )
*well apart from Eccleston, but that wasn’t going to happen
10 December 2013 at 09:53 #22532the TV movie has always been canon
Er… I think you might find that’s rather open to discussion. As is the canonicity of some of the things that are said in it 😉 (In fact you could probably apply “open for discussion” to all of the last 50 years, haha)
Nice new avatar btw
And thanks for the vid link @craig
10 December 2013 at 09:47 #22530You’re not supposed to have a life when you’re the Emperor! (Glad you do though 😉 )
But there again… @wolfweed didn’t post his pic till this week, so you’d have missed it by being too early…
::thinks: need more caffeine, that’ll sort out the thought processes – tenses in last sentence have me confused… look what it does for @rob‘s thought processes 😆 ::
10 December 2013 at 02:41 #22522@Fat|ManInABox
You’re lucky you’re getting any pressies at all after your SAW comment!!
😉
10 December 2013 at 02:36 #22521Ahem! @craig @phaseshift @jimthefish
According to the countdown clock we’re nearly into the last fortnight (EVER!) of Matt’s run and we still have a (albeit fab) John Hurt avatar on the home page! 🙄
As we have 2 great new MS images posted this week, from @jimthefish and @wolfweed, can I suggest we use them both, 1 week each?
If we want to get other people to submit artwork, how about putting a note to that effect next to the avatar? (or as a roll over?)
(And just repeating my request for @jimthefish‘s cute 3D Daleks for Jan? Pretty please? 🙂 )
10 December 2013 at 02:11 #22520Happy Birthday 🙂
And the barmaid’ll take your order for whatever you like to drink. Cheers!
PS Cheers back to @TheMasterofAllHeSurveys – That was an excellent way to introduce yourself; you obv have this forum well figured out! 😀
10 December 2013 at 02:08 #22519@whisht @juniperfish @bluesqueakpip @fatmaninabox
Lovin all the interail stories and travellers tales. Used to hitchhike a bit, great way to travel sometimes. Tho 2 days on the same corner in the middle of nowhere in Spain not so good. Fortunately no Absorbalovs. Would’ve settled for a lift with K9. Then there was the time we got dropped off in the south of France, middle of a torrential thunderstorm (we were camping), and after banks closing time (pre ATM era) on the Friday of Bastille weekend. We’d’ve killed for @juniperfish‘s raw cabbage and mayonnaise by the Monday!
10 December 2013 at 01:51 #22518Although you could argue he’s the sixteenth, if you include Cushing and David Bradley! After all, if the TV Movie’s now canon…
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8 December 2013 at 23:23 #22472😯
Haha.
Well if you’re going to get the full border guards search, it’s infinitely better if it happens when you’re “clean” (And at least you’d have the benefit of saying “I told you so” and NOT from the inside of an East German prison cell)
8 December 2013 at 23:14 #22471haha – we’re nothing if not educational! btw I think leatherette may now be called pleather.
::scratches head – how the hell do I know this stuff??!::
Here’s another song from the amazing Ms Jones (I love the video for this, and the production is great)
And this, from about 30 years later! (on Jools Holland)
8 December 2013 at 22:49 #22468There are a number of younger posters on here (well, let’s be honest, most people are as far as I’m concerned!), but honestly I don’t think it matters. There’s always going to be people older than you, and younger. You can’t help when or where you were born, you can only deal with the circumstances you meet. Together we encompass a wide range of views and perspectives, and it’s all the better for that. Viewers of different ages have different perspectives on our favourite show and this forum is all the better for it. (Although, sorry, I have to agree with @phaseshift (“clinchy“??! haha – yes they were a bit) and @craig, the 80s were amazing for all sorts of reasons, but particularly politically. Fashions were mostly even worse than 70s though)
When I said this site span off the Guardian blog, I didn’t mean that it should aim for Graun readers, just that it was set up for a very specific reason – continuing bonkers theorising, with discussions in English language. Anyone who feels at home doing that is likely to find a comfy place on the sofa here. It’s not about not wanting people who don’t want to theorise, or follow bonkers theories, it’s just that they are less likely to feel at home here/more likely to be bored to the back teeth. But honestly, it’s not a competition 😉
8 December 2013 at 22:30 #224658 December 2013 at 17:51 #22421Good thoughts re a TimeLord themed run. (As far as I know The Time Meddler is complete. If we only do a bit of The War Games, and it is a bit of an epic, should really include #1, #2 as that’s the story set-up. For Trial of a Timelord we could do Mindwarp – that includes Sil too 😉 (and TLs at possibly their worst).
Could also do a Master-themed rewatch, later <polishes up shiny gold star from @phaseshift>
I like the idea of following a particular writer again, the Stephen Moffat one really highlighted how many great episodes he’s written. Gatiss is a good choice. Or director – eg Euros Lyn (tho that might be a bit Ten-heavy)
And agree re a historical Hartnell. The Aztecs would be good, but maybe lots of people have already seen it. Shame that Massacre and Marco Polo are still AWOL, but there’s also Reign of Terror (1-3 and 6 are still around)
8 December 2013 at 13:10 #22407Though I should start to wonder why most of you are just so oooooold
Oy!
Compared to the Doctor we are all mere babes 😀
PS That’s what you get watching a show that’s just celebrated its 50th anniversary! (I can’t think of another TV prog that encompasses such a wide demographic. You could see it at the cinema, and at the Excel celebration. Lots of little bow-tied 4 yr olds, a couple of tiny 6th Doctors (bit ironic that), a fair no of doddery ones with white hair, and all ages in between, all happily united in their love of a TV show. Instant communication, age is irrelevant).
8 December 2013 at 13:00 #22405Re a blog for current theories – that’s cos you’re still basking the glow of having got one right!! Have you SEEN the pile of discarded, discredited theories behind the Sofa? (not to mention the pile in the alt-dimensional cupboard!).
being the grumpy type I am, I hit log in twice in sheer vexation and it worked
Haha yes, that usually works for me too. Tho it did result in me (and @juniperfish I think) being properly locked out of the site for DAYS (coincided with a host server problem/bot attack)
8 December 2013 at 12:52 #22402Love Caro Emerald. Nice alarm thingy. (Sympathies on the geting up thingy. I always find it’s kind of related to how much sleep I’ve had before the alarm goes off, haha)
8 December 2013 at 12:21 #22400@TheFerret (welcome) @jimthefish
Just adding my vote for a communal post festive season watch of Fenric.
8 December 2013 at 12:14 #22399@TheMasterofAllHeSurveys
BG Who is different in some ways from post 2005, in that it didn’t have the resources the new series has (and note the production schedule as I mentioned above – 48 episodes/year). But it’s stil recognisably the same character. Don’t believe all you read about wobbly sets and crappy monsters – it may have been lower tech back then (inc the TVs it was broadcast on) – but they have always had great writers, directors and actors. You only have to watch Edge of Destruction (Hartnell, 3rd story) or the first episode of The Mind Robber (Troughton) to see what a virtue they could make out of zero resources (both of these were particularly squeezed re production budget, and both are among my favourite ever stories).
Someone on this forum is The Master
Too right. That will be our mighty Mod/Time Lord @phaseshift, looking particularly dashing as Roger Delgado <Wonders nervously if she’s maybe overdone the subservience 😉 >. You’re right that the Master is set up as the opposite of the Doctor, so if you’re looking for elegant, then it has to be Delgado (opp Pertwee aka Doctor Suave-and-elegent). Delgado set the standard for the Master.
PS Yeti – originally from the Abominable Snowmen (Troughton, 1967) then as you rightly mention, The Web of Fear. Scared the hell out of me as a kid! Hope you enjoyed Enemy, and also Web of Fear to come. Don’t get too excited about rumours of lost episodes being found – they’ve been circulating for a long time. But just occasionally some do turn up, and the recent find was a bonanaza! I think they’ve done a great restoration job on them – they look better now than on original broadcast, LOL
8 December 2013 at 11:10 #22395Glad you liked The Last Day. Isn’t it great?
Shame it doesn’t seem to be on the DVD. They’ve got Night of the Doctor, but it’d’ve been nice if they’d inlcuded all the little bitty trailers and minisodes. I loved the Strax “screaming popcorn” bits and Matt and Tennant goofing off on 12D at the cinema.
@TheMasterofAllHeSurveys Greetings!
But the videos aren’t there any more
Ah, said with the innocence of one who didn’t live through the early years of TV when all programmes were transient and fleeting; once a week, and no recording! (Tho we did get a new Dr Who episode 48 times/year)
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8 December 2013 at 10:49 #22393@whisht What a spot on the TARDIS symbol on the Doctor’s Quantum Mechanics book. You get the Eagle-Eyes award!
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6 December 2013 at 19:58 #22316@whisht thankjs for posting the Hugh Masakela link, that was great – like the pic as well.
I just found this on YouTube (thanks for sending me there) – the women have their say too – Nina Simone and Miriam Mama Africa Makeba. If this doesn’t give you chills, nothing will! A sad day, but a day for celebrating a life as well.
5 December 2013 at 09:28 #22272@Shazzbot
Re spoilers – the only site which should be regarded as spoiler free is BBC (and even that with suspicion if it’s not the DW bit of the site!) RT long since ceased to be BBC’s official mouthpiece and now covers all TV channels. Should be regarded as separate, independent entity.
Nice posters btw (intereting no DW logo or branding on them)
5 December 2013 at 09:19 #222713 December 2013 at 18:39 #22207::facepalm::
Brilliant remembering. I think I must’ve had some of what Matt’s had – forgot one of my favourite films! (Did you see my much earlier post btw, about a particular scene in Speilberg’s TinTin (co-scripted by one S Moffat) where Capt Haddock thinks he is a prisoner in a cabin, trying to think of ways to escape – only to find the door is unlocked! 😉
2 December 2013 at 19:46 #22151Dunno if anyone’s picked up on Amazon’s new plan to use delivery drones (sounds a bit surreal to me), but just came across this response (no 4 of However list looks very Doctor inspired to me 🙂 )
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1458506_643981785653854_1495999701_n.jpg
(and if anyone knows how to embed feel free to amend!)
2 December 2013 at 19:17 #22147@juniperfish Brilliant, thanks; I was only looking on iPlayer – which is suddenly working hard and downloading season 6, which I didn’t even know was current again. Which is nice, but not great for catching up on all the bits I missed in the scurry up to 23rd Nov. T’webs are mostly a big mystery to me. Life too. 😀
2 December 2013 at 18:58 #22145The Moff is responsible for giving me lots of headaches
Me too.
But I strongly subscribe to the theory that he nipped into the TARDIS for a peek at @bluesqueakpip‘s brilliant blog explaining it all – linked in post 22134 above.
Never had a bearded Doctor before. Don’t judge till you’ve seen it 😉 (before long you’ll think every Dr should’ve had a goatee)
2 December 2013 at 18:53 #22144I am now a blubbering (smiling) heap – thank you for posting BoTW 🙂 😥 😀
(First single I ever bought, saved up my pocket money – fortunately it was on the charts for months, so I had time, haha; it still gets me)
*hugs*
2 December 2013 at 18:48 #22143Cute was exactly my thought too!
Awww 🙂
(Lots of nicely different texturing too)
Can I nominate it for our December site avatar?
And well done FMIAB re DIY box-set. I managed to miss the FishDr – still trying to find online, after TV had massive fail over Red Button. I’m great with some tech things, and a complete klutz with others 🙁
2 December 2013 at 11:05 #22121@Purofilion yes it was me, but I have absolutely no problem being mistaken for @bluesqueakpip, LOL
Thanks for sharing your memories – a fellow fan of long corridors and Hartnell 😀 I too had reservations (on principle!) about the reboot in 2005. You may have gathered I’m over that now!
And frocks! You don’t get frocks any more. (I used to hate frocks 😉 )
2 December 2013 at 10:41 #22120@jimthefish While I thank you for your confidence in me, I fear my WordPress skills are sadly lacking – I’m the one who hasn’t even managed to get her head round multiple-recipient PMs yet, remember! And time is an issue – I either have loads, or none.
2 December 2013 at 10:39 #22119Great post @fatmaninabox And delighted you are no longer just a lurker 😉
Hope your RL hassles are getting sorted out.
1 December 2013 at 15:12 #22106@phaseshift No, just the one to Magnetite, everything else is cool
1 December 2013 at 15:10 #22105@janetteb Thank you. Hope you’re enjoying the post exam period and hope the results as good as you all deserve, after all the hard work.
@tardisblue Anyone who posts Aretha Franklin gets my vote! 😀
@curvedspace Dr Who Teas – we should have had those for the day after the pub night, LOL
1 December 2013 at 15:06 #22104Links to both of those have been posted before, but worth repeating.
Alice X Zhang’s artwork is gorgeous, I really like her TARDIS one in particular.
1 December 2013 at 15:03 #22103@wolfweed – nice one. The communal cinema viewing last Sat was very special, but enjoying cinema sound and vision (almost) on your own sounds pretty cool too. 15 people at 10.30 on a Sunday morning – I’m impressed it got that many!
On the subject of numbers, and following on from @curvedspace‘s post about record breaking Tumblr figs, the official timeshifted figs also suggest a triumph. No 1 TV show of the week (UK) with 12.8m views, inc a massive 2.7m on iplayer.
Factor in DVD sales (Yay! just got my copy (includes Night of the Doctor and the trailers)) and record breaking cinema sales worldwide and you have to think that the suits in accounts are just a bit happy. Even the producers who were having kittens about Moff being overbudget (theory copyright @bluesqueakpip ) must be thinking they can cut back on their therapy sessions now.
1 December 2013 at 13:31 #22091@phaseshift @craig @jimthefish
I think the site thinks I’m spamming again 🙁 My last 2 posts (ref @magnetite, website comments) aren’t appearing (they’re duplicates btw)
1 December 2013 at 13:28 #22090Snap! I said very similar thing – Xmas analogy etc – the other day On the Sofa. (I was a bit more longwinded tho 😉
Hi fives!
1 December 2013 at 12:22 #22087@purofilion
I like how you put that. Death is a difficult concept for a Time Lord. But we see how it – the irretrievable loss – affects him. Same with the Time War -we see how it affects people. Which is the important bit.
PS Re tagging people – have a look at the Help Tab above. A few people’s tags don’t match their avatars. IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan is best called up by @pedant (it’s wibbly wobbly complicated 😉 )
1 December 2013 at 11:20 #22086its better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt,
Please apply that to yourself.
Your original post made you look stupid, with its considerable number of inaccuracies. Your second one is just plain rude. Please see my earlier post on this thread about “appropriate tone”
30 November 2013 at 21:12 #22066@arkleseizure (and welcome back to the cute little green monster 🙂
my autocorrect excelled itself and turned “female characters” into “farmable characters”
Freud could have a ball with your autocorrect! (I switched mine off cos of that sort of thing; gets you into all sorts of bother)
New blogpost cooking – woohoo! ::overexcited yeti-jumps:: Don’t be away too long 🙂
30 November 2013 at 19:04 #22054At least Moffat has a better handle (in my opinion) on death, timetravel and the Doctor than the carry-on at the end of the McGann movie. Now that was a complete cheat if you ask me!
Just occasionally people actually do die – the recent death of Cass (in Night of the Doctor) was particularly shocking because she chose it, rather than travel with the Doctor.
“Subsitute deaths” can be easier to present to a family audience, but no less moving especially to the adult audience who understand the deeper implications – as @juniperfish mentioned above re Amy & Rory and River. I would also add old Amy in The Girl who Waited. I was devastated after that! (Outwith Moffat era there was Donna, whose fate had a massive emotional punch).
30 November 2013 at 18:30 #22051New Members – only they can say whether they think the site is intimidating or not. Would be great if some of those mentioned above in @phaseshift‘s post could be honest and say how they found their first experiences of it, and any suggestions for improvement. I’ve noticed quite a few – @timeloop and @tardisblue in particular – have started making a point of welcoming newbies, which is great.
I don’t think it’s a problem if 12year olds generally find it a bit not for them. Maybe quite a few people will think it’s not for them. I remember someone dropped in a while back and posted “You do go on a bit in here don’t you?” Well, yes we do :-), but we’re not trying to create an all purpose fan site. It spun off the Guardian site, so will have a tendency to reflect that readership (minus the trolls). It’s quite specific in that it’s set up for extreme bonkers theorising that probably demands a particular level of literacy.
There’s lots of other places for younger fans, and people with less time on their hands 😉 OTOH if they have a look and connect with it then they are most welcome. As with most websites, most people will lurk for a while before joining in, if they ever do. Their responsibility in that lurking period is to gauge the tone of the site and post appropriately if they do. But any suggestions for making that first toe-dip easier should be welcomed.
@phaseshift – there are lots of different species of trolls – some of them specialise in making you feel guilty about banning them; they’re still trolls – just adept at hitting the vulnerable probic vent!
30 November 2013 at 18:10 #22050Harrumph! What are you trying to do to me??
First you say of the pub meet “we’re really not that weird” then you accuse me of being mod material!
My reputation is in tatters!
😯
30 November 2013 at 14:54 #22036Great post @phaseshift.
Just to reinforce how much your commitment is appreciated, so that we have this great space to discuss all things Who in.
Also – I don’t think you stressed enough that this site is run on a VOLUNTARY basis! It might look slick and professional but it relies on the goodwill of all members and especially on the time of yourself, @jimthefish and @craig
The odd blip along the way is to be expected. As you said, there’s no rule book for this. (Although there may be a handbook for world peace by the time we’re finished!!)
And sharing responsibility by rotating modship is a good idea I think. Any takers?
PS @juniperfish
Sometimes, especially on the inter-webs, we can all cross a line in the heat of the moment. So folks, if you know you have, an apology can go a long way!
Definitely
30 November 2013 at 14:35 #22032@bluesqueakpip @rob (AAAgh! that new avatar is just SCARY! *hides behind the sofa*)
When TheMoff realises out true bonkersgenius (henceforth BGI Bonkers Genius Index, a rating that goes from 1 to 12 then up to 1 again) will be offered parts to write and star in the series after the next series after the coming series or something anyway
BGI – brilliant (nearly as brilliant as the theory itself)
Absinthe makes 2 hearts grow fonder
Yes indeedy 🙂 (laughed at your spoof plot too – probably makes more sense than TotD will!)
30 November 2013 at 13:43 #22029@bluesqueakpip @phaseshift @juniperfish @jamesunderscore
All great posts esp re Clara only being able to help with the otherwise timelocked Gallifrey/TimeWar because she was in the Doctor’s timestream*, and thereby ensuring his future.
Would be great to see TotD knitting together the last 3 seasons big arcs/themes.
*goes off to rework whole theory re why they are not still in the timestream, LOL
29 November 2013 at 17:50 #21999Duality
I agree with @juniperfish and others that to take away the Doctor’s guilt re committing genocide diminshes some of the myth set up in AG. But is it not enough that he believes he did it? And he would have done it, maybe did, without the Moment butting in. Even then his only solution was for all 3 incarnations to do it together (forgiveness for his own past deeds, but not redemption). It takes the humanising element of Clara to bring about the full solution. (She doesn’t know what it is but she has faith that if she pushes the Doctor that bit further, he will find it). In DotD he faced up to the fact that he was capable of such an act, albeit that it seemed the only choice at the time – the only alternative to Daleks overrunning the universe with no-one to stop them. Only by facing up to his previous guilt was he able to then find the solution, the alternative which offered hope.
I don’t think that’s incompatable with there also being an aborted timeline where Gallifrey did indeed burn, and everything was timelocked, and our Doctor still has to live with that. But it should hurt less, now that with 400+ years more experience, he has found an alternative, a possibility of saving the children. I think the people of Gallifrey are still frozen tho, hidden somewhere out of time – presumably until the Doctor finds them and does whatever magic, sorry, scientific process is needed to unfreeze them.
29 November 2013 at 17:33 #21998Interview with the 3D consultant on DotD, talking through the technical processes and challenges of making the episode. Fascinating stuff. Between DotD and Gravity (which I saw recently) I could become a fan of 3D film making (never, ever thought I’d say that!)
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