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A few things from the trailer of Hell Bent that particularly interested me:

1) Weeping Angel – is there a connection to them and the Time Lords? Will we see their origins?

2) young doctor in the barn from The Day of The Doctor / Listen – with someone that looks like his mother (possible connections to The End of Time?)

3) car racing through the Navada desert – reminiscent of Day of The Moon

4) an undisguised Tardis

5) what looks like the interior of the war doctors Tardis / 1st doctors Tardis

i have screenshots but useless at posting them!

 

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BBC has just announced the run time for the final 2 episodes:

Heaven Sent – 55 minutes, 8.05 – 9pm Saturday 28 November

Hell Bent – 1hour, 5 minutes, 8-9.05pm Saturday 5 December.

Great to see extended finals – especially as we only have 12 episodes again and all the episodes so far Have been standard lengths

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@purofilion ha thank you. No I’m not new – have been a member for A few years – just haven’t posted for a while, been lurking in the shadows – enjoying others’ wild theories 🙂

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@frobisher a Claracle is born – it’s shown during The Name of the Doctor. One scene shows Victorian Claracle (from
The Snowmen) as a baby being held by a women (presumably her mother). So the implication is that Claracles were born again and again once Clara went into the Doctor’s time stream

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@bluesqueakpip – good points. There was certainly something with her conversation with Psi about him wiping his memories to protect family and friends.

it feels they are alluding to Clara not quite knowing something about her own past – perhaps having had her memories wiped/suppressed for the same reasons

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I liked it – a solid adventure, great guest star, and a wonderful supporting team for the Doctor to bounce off of.

I need to watch again, but something odd seemed to be implied when the Tellor was going into Clara’s memories, I remember noting something important was implied but have now forgotten!

And The Guardian seem to be very positive about it!

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@phaseshift

I can’t help but feel that this episode is more important to the overall arc of this series than we can possibly see at the moment.

 

I was having this discussion with a friend this morning. Although I feel it’s important – I wouldn’t put it past Moffat to make Robot of Sherwood as the most important to the overall ark, just to really throw us all a curve ball 🙂

 

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@barnable I think the young doctor was crying and afraid because he didn’t want to join the army and he couldn’t join the academy (at least that’s what I gleaned from the two older voices)

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Ok I’m really convinced Clara is related to the Doctor now. She gives the toy soldier to a young Danny, Orson then gives it to Clara saying it’s been passed down as a family heirloom, then Clara gives it to the young doctor.

Has to be something there

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I enjoyed it – not nearly as much as Deep Breath and Into the Dalek but still a solid romp of an episode.

Something about Capaldi didn’t gel will me in this episode (and I hate saying that) – not sure if it was due to the fact this was the first script Moffat was hands off, but something felt amiss. The bickering between the Doctor and Robin became a little grating. I also felt it was his most Malcolm Tuckeresq performance to date). Perhaps Gatiss just needs more time to find this Doctor . Ben Miller also felt a little underused.

Thought the promised land inclusion/Missy exclusion was clever – more to ponder and think about.

Another great performance from Jenna though – really feel Clara is shining this series.

6/10 for me

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@thommck – Soldiers: I think the rejection of Journey Blue and the Doctors antipathy towards soldiers actually makes good sense with Peter Capaldi. Soldiers are trained to use logic and reason – and not to let their emotions get in the way of making decisions. Could you imagine Peter’s Doctor traveling with a companion who thought that way? he needs a Clara and an companion with empathy – otherwise he’ll lose all touch with humanity. Clara is in more ways representing the audience/human race than any of the previous companions of NuWho

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@scaryb I noticed too how Journey being picked up by the TARDIS, was similar to Gretchan’s appearance in front of Missy. The only thing that makes me doubt Missy is in a TARDIS is you actually saw Gretchan and even half-face the previous week die (skewered on top of a building in half-faces experience).

I wonder if the similarity between the two is that Missy is a part of the Doctors TARDIS – uploading people who sacrifice themselves the same way CAL did in the library

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@phaseshift APPLAUSE

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@smeglennon have you not enjoyed the show since it game back in 2005? I’m intrigued because if you felt the Danny/Clara stuff you must have hated the RTD era

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@fonsini – do people like you actually exist? Danny Pink is an attractive, likeable and intriguing character, and his and Clara’s dialogue seemed something straight out of Coupling. What does his race have to do with anything?

Seems you have an agenda, not the show…

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Just rewatched Into The Dalek again, even better and richer the second time. For a show that often gets accused of writing poorly for women I thought Jenna, Zawe Ashton and Laura Dos Santos were the episodes heart and centre. I like Capaldi and think he’s growing into a fine Doctor – but surrounding him with such amazing talent certainly helps the transition. I hope this continues.

One thought that struck me on this rewatch – how long has Missy been collecting people? If they are indeed people who have sacrificed themselves in the name of the Doctor, would Harriet Jones, Astrid, Adric and even River Song be there? Obviously it would be hard to reunite all of those actors – but it’s an interesting thought…

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Oh and that Clara slap was felt all the way through time and space – another belter from Jenna

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Great episode – one of the strongest Dalek episodes since Ecclestone. Zawe Ashton was wonderful as Blue, I’m wondering if Danny Pink was a version of the dead brother – placed in Clara’s way

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One thing that struck from Hide was when the Doctor said ‘I don’t, i’m just running her in’ to Clara (speaking about the TARDIS). Surely if the current TARDIS interior was in existence when the Doctor was mourning Amy & Rory, it would already be ‘run in’.

the words only struck a chord as the doctor mentioned running in the TARDIS to young Amelia at the end if The 11th Hour (then disappeared for a few years)

it might be nothing – just struck me as odd…

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Another Doctor Who cracker tonight… Although one thing occurred to me. The mansion seemed very similar to the one River Song is uploaded in front of at the end of forest of the dead (where she’s reunited with her colleagues).

Also interesting that the first three  initials of Caliban is CAL…

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Thanks @juniperfish I’d heard River was back for the last episode of this series. just wondered if she was in the 50th special.

Maybe this may lead to the not fully deactivated theory @thommck

Raised in the Cold War thread

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@thommack I like the idea of River not yet being fully deactivated. There is a definite sense that during Silence in the Library she knew the Doctor at least a 2 incarnations down the line. That makes me sad as it increases the  chance that Matt Smith may leave. I wonder how Clara may fit In with this theory?

does anyone know if River makes an appearance during the 50th? I’m just thinking about her insistence that the Doctor not travel alone at the end of Angels take Manhatten – maybe she was actively willing him to meet Clara?

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50th birthday even…

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@lula – Sindy is the British version of Barbie – I think considering it’s her 60th Birthday it was probably a little anniversary in joke.  I maybe wrong and it’s just a Barbie…

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@lula I believe it is a Sindy Doll rather than a Barbie Doll – as Sindy was launched in 1963 – would certainly make more sense

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Grrrr it didn’t work – maybe this link would be better http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2013/04/doctor_who_thing_is_there_a_co.html

 

 

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Thanks HaveYouFedTheFish – this was the image I found so interesting

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Hi all,

Manic week but thought I’d post something before tonight’s episode. On second viewing I thought it was a good character driven episode, let down only by the odd pacing. It certainly didn’t the vitriol it’s received from other quarters.

One thing that struck me on second viewing was that the car that nearly knocked Clara’s father down was spookily similar to the one that killed Rose’s Dad in ‘Father’s Day’. I found a picture comparing the two – is there a way of uploading images on here? Anyway it’s quite striking how similar they are.

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Crazy theory – could the fact that Clara’s mother died a few days before the start of Nu Who in 2005  be an oblique reference to the fact she died in the Time War?

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