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Hi all,
Bad me – I wrote this and dithered and then a new Doctor was announced.
That’ll learn me! 😀

… anyway, this is what I wrote a few days ago that has nothing to do with the great new casting…

Lots of new people since last i was here which is really great.
Sorry I’ve been missing for a while.
I’ll probably do a bit of name checking but its great to hear new voices/ opinions.
(and forgive me for posting dumb music on another thread)
;¬)

[deep breath]
{wish this episode was as good}

I really didn’t like this episode.
ah well.
I can only repeat @blenkinsopthebrave ‘s dislike of Chibnall’s habit of characters explaining things.
Though I personally find it useful as I don’t follow *why* the character has done something or somethig has happened in his episodes.

@jimthefish ‘s comments I also agree with in terms of flimsy support characters, non-Doctorly behaviour/ethics (she fights with a sword?? not a spoon??!??) and how with the character of Yaz we’ve been told she’s amazingyet unlike Bill we’ve not seen her BE amazing(at least not enough).

I couldn’t figure out why the Sea Devil was doing what it was… just … ‘because’? Just “we want to take over/ we hate land lubbers”? oh well, ok.

Pirate – her motivation was more than just beinga pirate (yay!) but at the end, she was softened into … what? Surrogate mum*? and no mention of her kids as being released with help of this treasure?

Maybe the idle sifting of baubles and gold was the whole “the real treasure is people” but… ah well.
*that lad quickly forgave her it seems.

My last gripe was that what I think was meant to be a rolling ‘as if on water’ camera actually felt I was in the middle of an earthquake. It juddered it didn’t roll.

18 months is a long time to wait, but I’m not sure I’d bother watching another series of this.

{sigh}

ah well, over to the Music Thread…

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Hi everyone – I hope you are all having a delightful, wonderful and other deserving words beginning with “D” and “W”.
Take care and much love to you all.

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Sadly here are some tracks for musicians who have sadly died recently.

Steve Bronski of Bronski Beat

Robbie Shakespear
I never really got into Reggae and so can’t link to classic tracks that I have.
The Guardian obit mentioned this as a great tune but I won’t claim to have known it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwuIEw6vm-c

Tbh Boops was where I first heard him and Sly – I loved it at the time, but I was young and found it fun

And I didn’t know he was on this, but can’t resist adding it!

probably many more that I should know.

Mike Nesmith
I remember we had the Best of Collection of the Monkees and I always liked this although it was completely different to everything else on the album

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So, can I find anything to add for the Vanquishers?

Well – nothing that could make sense or riff on it as I don’t really know what it was about (stuff happened but not sure why)

So instead I’ll settle for chewy choons from a confected scene with confectionary.

(though this is a funkier take)

;¬)

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Well, it’s been a week or so since I saw it and I’ve nothing to add.

Which is ironic, as it didn’t stop Chibnell adding everything even if it wasn’t that relevant.
:¬D

{sigh}

@ichabod – I agree. You said it better than I and have left me smiling ;¬)
@blenkinsopthebrave – oh, do write a blog if you want, I’ll read it!
@juniperfish – agree with everything you say too.
But did I miss a character (urgh do I have to re-watch?).

Anyway, going to scuttle off to the Music thread to see if I can make anything from the leftovers from the Vanquishers.

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ah MAN!!

@scaryb @thane16
Helllllloooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!

So great to hear from you!

In the same vein, here is my track for Survivors of the Flux.

“Nothing’s Gonna Change My World”
(but which world does she mean…?)

;¬)

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So – Village of the Angels

I’ve no real appetite to listen to the Pink Floyd album The Division Bell (I’ve never listened to it) but if its a fave of anyone’s, feel free to share!
Maybe I’ll like it :¬)

When a character said “Its happening again” I immediately thought of this song.
And then I saw the video and I realised where it took its sample from.
@blenkinsopthebrave mentioned a feeling of Twin Peaks.

:¬o

But as the above is so short and disturbing, I’ll also leave this

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I liked this in parts. I did feel like there was a lot of explaining going on.
But parts of it looked sumptuous.

Thanks so much @mudlark as I wasn’t sure if we’d been told much about The Division.
But from your detective work it seems clues have been dropped.

One thing ‘the division’ made me think of was the ‘Division Bell’.
No not the Pink Floyd album, but the bell within Parliament that signals a vote.
The Cloister Bell can be heard when the Angel is expelled from the Tardis.
And of course there’s a character called Bel….

Could we be heading for a vote on the Doctor?
A judgement?
A {gulp} Trial of the Timelord??

:¬o

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So – for Once, Upon Time I really have not found something interesting to link with music-wise.

So I’ll simply lean on this for a loose connection…

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@blenkinsopthebrave – Nat King Cole is a classic.
and Teen Angel @winston reminds me that I think there’s a whole genre of teenager-dying songs.
Just not sure I want to look them up, but maybe a connection with motorcycles etc etc.

But fun sharing!

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Hi all – so “Bel’s Story”.
To be honest I found her story quite dull (I’m assuming Bel is the character with the Northern Irish accent).
She crosses space to reach her lover and… well we see them ‘together’ but I’m not sure I’m invested enough.
I don’t think I care enough about her or Vinder and that’s not a great place to be (maybe its me).
Which is a shame as quite a bit of screentime is given over to them. Its just… I’m just not sure I care enough.

Oddly Yaz’s and Dan’s multiple roles mean I care slightly less about them – until she’s Yaz and he’s Dan.
Then I care.
But something about her and Dan being other people dilutes my empathy toward them.

I agree with @mudlark in that this was perhaps trying to be Moffat-esque.
But rather than “timey wimey” it felt a little “Timey whiny” which is not good.
Just felt like a lot of the Doctor shouting “I’ll help you!” “I want to see more!” and… doing neither.

However, even if I think its uneven, I actually think there is a convoluted grand-plan from Chibnall.
I’m not sure what it is but I’ll watch to discover.
Swarm and Azure.
Red and Blue.
Light
Passenger.
GhostLightLungbarrowDivisionKitchenTimeSink

or something.

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Hey @craig – that list of songs from 1971 is really interesting. Lot of Latin love in there as well as the usual rock and pop… and Benny Hill ;¬D

Number 1 when I was born was apparently this little choon.
Not a bad one tbh

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For War with the Sontarans, here’s a song I haven’t heard in many years:
Tragedy Rocks – The Crimea

“It was magnifico while it lasted,
it was kooky as kooky could be,
but every time look what happened,
darkness broke free”

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oooh – great embed there @craig !
I think our birthdays may not be far apart ;¬)

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Hi all – so managed to watch and catch up.
Not sure what to add.
The Flux – was it released to capture Swarm or released by Swarm for nefarious ends..?
Or just a ‘natural’ event he’s using (as Sontarans did)?

Its silly, but when I heard the character named “Passenger” my mind weirdly thought of Ghost Light. Basically without knowing remembering the names, I was thinking of ‘Control’ and ‘Light’ (and it turns out a 19th Century setting).

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Hi again all, hope you’re well.

Here’s a track for the Halloween Apocalypse.
Rather than some of the harsher stuff that came up around some of the themes, I thought I’d start off this season with something a bit more gentle, perhaps even pastoral.

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Hi all – hope you’re all well.
You’ve said much of what I was thinking, but said it far more cogently.
You’ve also said things that I didn’t think but which gives me a lot to consider!

I’m guessing that someone has already mentioned a feeling of Doctor Who: Endgame from this.
Something about people disintegrating into dust in a seemingly unstoppable way.
I’m thinking we might get re-Flux with people coming back (hopefully in a similarly dusty way rather than erm…. reflux)

I’ve little more to add except… the stirrings, the whiff, of a bonkers theory.
Yes @devilishrobby and @blenkinsopthebrave it is for some of us our raison d’etre ;¬D

For fear of tagging the wrong person (i’ve lost all my old notes) @juniperfish I think there may be a red / blue thing going on.
“He’s (Dan) definitely a Red” says Yaz. A reference that ‘could’ be just about him being a Liverpool fan but… c’mon.
So – is red ‘bad’ as it was in Revolution of the Daleks?

Will try to find some relevant music but rather than some of the harsher stuff that came to mind, I might start off with something gentle and almost… pastoral.

Looking forward to reading all your thoughts. Feels nice to be back ;¬)

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@cathannabel I am so so sorry for your loss.

I can’t add any appropriate quotes nor music.
But all I can say is that I hope you realise that there are far more people than reply who are feeling for you right now.

Sometimes posts are read.
Sometimes plans are made to answer.
Sometimes plans don’t actually happen.

But the feeling, the true honest wanting to reach out and comfort and listen and be there happens, even if its not written.
My condolences and I can’t speak for others but there will be others who are giving you the same

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Merry Xmas everyone!

I wanted to find a song that somehow encapsulated the feelings of people estranged from loved ones.

But that was a bit hard.

So I opened my music player and searched for “love”.
Which brought me this lovely song by Bjork, a song that suggests (although it may feel different) Love is all around, although maybe not from the directions you’re expecting.
Even though its lyrics suggest that the person being sung to is at a point where they can’t see the love (which isn’t right for people here) I was happy enough with that choice, but I had posted it here before (maybe for a previous xmas).

So I kept scrolling down the songs it had found for “love”.

Now, this is not what I was thinking of posting.
Its not some treatise on how we all need to love each other (and ourselves!).
Its not about love bringing us a joy that the world would somehow seem to want us not to have.

No.

Its quite shallow, although {ahem} deep in some ways.

Its also funky as hell.

If you’re not moving or smiling after this then…. well, find some music that does ‘cos I’m out of ideas!

;¬)

God Jul from Copenhagen
x

(I posted a vinyl video not because I’m a vinyl junkie – I only have CDs – but its a bit crisper and I remember there is a member here who has a very extensive vinyl collection and might enjoy!)

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ah @blenkinsopthebrave – good times indeed!
Love kd lang (though don’t listen to her enough – or maybe I just don’t indulge on a rich wine too often!)

which made me find another beautiful voice…

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hello all – long time reader seldom (recently) poster….

here’s something to start us off in terms of spooky stuff for Halloween.
Maybe I should’ve started with something shorter and sillier but…

hey ho.

or…
Hey whoooooooooo….

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hi all,

just wanted to post something here which:
– wasn’t because anyone died

… erm that was it.

When the Doctor returns, I’m sure she’ll inspire better and more relevant music

;)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-dqW4uBEE

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Just read the same article about Dan Martin.
So sad for him to die so young.

My heart goes out to his loved ones, as well as those his passion and enthusiasm touched.

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Peter Green is someone who I don’t know enough about.

Realising that there are a multitude of artists who held him in high regard, it just makes me realise I have to visit his work.

BB King said generous things about his tone which is kinda incredible and though I don’t know what BB King was responding to, here is Peter Green live

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So Happy 4th of July.

I watched the Wattstax doc recently and so am on a bit of a funk thang.

This is just fun (and I seem to recognise lines and samples from it maybe)

simply enjoy!

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Hi @blenkinsopthebrave – yes I believe I did but it was a while ago.

Did I not already mention them and Picard and thank you for the advice??

Blimey – I’m bad if not.
Now then, I’d have to dig out my notes about the episodes though (and with all the pre-moving malarky I might’ve ermmm… ‘cleaned them up’)

:¬o

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So, been watching Devs (an Alex Garland TV series).

Kinda ‘cold’ in a way, but also austere/ beautiful/ elegant.

Maybe elegant is what he was aiming at.
No spoilers from me, but overall I enjoyed it – not “oh my gawd you must watch this!” but still, glad I saw it.

But here’s a couple of tracks from it/ that made me think ‘ooh, is that..?’

There was a bit of Garbarek/ Hilliard ensemble Officium.
There was also Reich Come Out.
It was odd to me that I recognised quite a bit of the references and I’m not that steeped in this music, so… not sure whether they plumped for “they’ll know this reference” or not. But I’m definitely within the catchment of the show.

Anyway there was this and I’m sure I’m playing to the gallery here (though I didn’t know this one!:

And maybe this too I think is either in it, or the things that influenced it are in it.
(I forst heard Caroline Shaw waay late in a Stewart Copeland BBC thing and still think it feels a little show-offy but there are moments where I think ‘yeah! that worked!’)

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@missy

I am so sorry for your loss.
What you recognised in Moffat’s words (a line I hadn’t remembered) are spot on.

Please take care – you know far more than I will ever know about loss.
My brother (always far wiser than I) warned me about the waves after losing someone.

I’ll never forget that forewarning, nor be able to thank him enough.

Take care.

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@thane16
That is an awesome live track by Kraftwerk.
So rhythmic, dancey, pulsating yet controlled.
And with all that, its not a cold, robotic sound – there’s a ton of warmth in it.

wow.

and I’ve never heard of or any Hugh Le Caine.
And yes its obvious that the sounds are similar (especially in this track). But I love how Kraftwerk brought a… I don’t know the right word… ‘pastoral’? ‘organic'(?) quality to their music.
Its got a pulse in every sense.

Oh and the Bowie one was hilarious and slightly demented (which is also a good thing)

;¬)

Thanks so much for sharing

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hey @thane16 old and young – I’m doing well thanks.

And that’s quite enough about me!

;¬)

Here’s something I found simply by searching my iTunes for relevant words…

kinda pretty (not their best evah etc etc, but pretty is quite ok right now).

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{sigh}

Little Richard has died.

I tend to only embed one song even if I link to several.
Not this time.
Here’s three.

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@craig – I just saw the news and logged in to say something similar.

Massively influential.

I first heard Kraftwerk (maybe like many in UK) from watching a Tomorrow’s World (popular technology/ culture programme).

Now this is insane – if the video title is to be believed I was 4 when I saw this but I remember it clearly.

I thought “wow” (and wondered “I love it but what is it?”).
70’s 80’s kids show (well, at least one) also lifted the sound from them.

Then my brother had the Autobahn cassette and I probably wore it out while reading rubbish books like Han Solo’s Revenge.
When I was… 10? 11?

sigh – we had ‘fun’ (maybe) linking Kraftwerk to this season’s episodes.
I can’t think of anything other than Autobahn to add but that’s cos I don’t know Kraftwerk’s work in depth.

This was an “aww no..”

And then I read that Millie Small also died.
Influential in a different way. My Boy Lollipop was an early widely popular ska hit in UK/US (maybe wider) and certainly made a huge impact in making Jamaican music more ‘acceptable’ to a single-buying public, even if musicians were already being influenced by this new sound.
This hit allowed the ska-influenced bands like Clash, Madness, Two Tone etc etc to be popular in a way that if there hadn’t been this single they wouldn’t have had such fertile ears/ ground.

Thanks for posting some music simply for its joy – I need to re-engage more and link to artists rather than just when they die.

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@craig

ah hell.

This was the first song that sprang to mind.

I know that Golden Brown is more famous (and possibly even had more of his involvement in the core of the songwriting).
Hell, we even had the single.
But the urgency and anger and fuck-you of Something Better Change just seems… well, maybe its always appropriate whatever the world is going through.

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@thane16 – so good to hear from you thane-the-elder.

Thane-the-younger’s hunt for work can be hard on the soul.
I’ve recently gone through a long bout of not having work.
I was fine, but there were quite a few “nah’s” to my CV that I thought “hold on, I really do know what you need and reckon I could do that”.

Luckily I’ve found something now (weirdly it’ll involve me re-locating to Denmark! No idea how that will work with the lockdown – until the move happens I’ll be working from home over skype/ zoom/ email/ blah blah).

But just to say – I remember being underemployed in my ‘first’ career and after a bout of unemployed in my second I know how hard it can be on the confidence.

I’ve no wisdom in this. There are few lessons I can think of.

Its shit.

But then you hear a comedian, look at some art, hear some music, make something grow, fix something, help someone…

My brother who is far far wiser than I (I have two brothers but one tends to come out with things I think are wise) says that in the evening he tries to think of 3 ‘good’ things he’s done that day.
This as a prompt to be better tomorrow, but also as a salve for all the crap he’s had to wade through that day.

Me?
I think 3 things every day is a high target!

;¬)

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Hi @jabru

Thank you so much for sharing this.
I know it may sound blasphemous, but I think I prefer your own mixes!

I really liked the Dub version (I don’t think of myself as a dub-head or anything, but I liked the contrast of ‘bottom’ as well as the sharper clicks and shimmers). The more D&B one too.

But kudos to you for getting the remix as it means someone with faaaaaaar more musical insight than I rates your music too!

cheers

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@missrori
In many ways you’re right.
Life isn’t ‘fair’.

y’know, that’s kinda about it.
It ain’t.

There are wiser folks than I who have built on the wisdom of people over millennia, so I’ll let people that understand that wisdom share it.

Me?
Life ain’t fair. I try to roll with the punches.
The ones that hurt, hurt.
I don’t think I ‘learn’ much from them.

But when I see something glorious, when I hear something joyful, when I step back or lean forward and realise afterwards “yes… THIS!” then I try to hang on to that feeling as its a great feeling.

That feeling won’t stop the next punch I need to roll.

But I try to not only remember the punches.

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Hi @all

I now realise we watched this years ago!
[gulp – where does the time go??!!??]

I stumbled across this podcast a week or two ago.

Its an easy-going listen.
There’s some nice mentions on the writing (Moffat / Gatiss are massive fans of Neale), as well as where Neale’s character names may have come from, but honestly some of the insights on this forum shine a brighter light!).

But still, Quatermasss and the Pit was great and they I’d happily watch again (hell – I’d happily listen to this podcast again!)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07t2gfr

(if you find you’re ‘locked out’ etc I’ll see if there’s a different legal way to listen)

;¬)

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oh – and a funny thing about the various holograms of Capt. Rios.
Not the wandering accents {the Oirish one was… ahem} but I had an idea a couple of years ago that AI assistants like Alexa etc will develop different ‘personalities’ (voices) to answer different questions. Basically in same way that you ask different friends on different topics (eg I ask my brother for IT related stuff, people here for music related; other people here for perspectives on writing etc).
Having one ‘personality’ (voice) answer all questions on any topic is unlike real life, and AI experiences tend to try to get closer to ‘non-digital’ analogues.
Plus it could be easily monetised (buy the upgrade pack etc etc).
Anyway, it made me chuckle though not for the light relief it was meant for!

:¬)

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Hi @blenkinsopthebrave

So – I’ve gone and done it!
I saw the two-parter then binged on Picard!
The whole season – and I’d binge it again which is not something I’d say about most shows!

;¬)

Now before I say anything – I’d love to read a blog from you on this (or anything else).
No pressure, but to hear from a fan would be really insightful for me, as I never ‘got into’ Star Trek or the spin-offs.
If it was on I’d watch it and enjoy it but that’s as deep as I got.
But that’s no different to many shows for me.
So – to hear how this show riffs/ nods to deeper memories would of course be interesting.
As well as that – you write well.

But I also want to say thank you so much for nudging me to watch Picard.
And also to watch the two parter to ‘set the scene’.

So – I really enjoyed it.

Two things leap to mind.
It is beautifully shot.
Maybe the light-flare behind the characters is a little too much at times, but usually its for the right ‘tone’ (will have to rewatch but maybe its done for ‘natural’ settings and emotional scenes) and the whole thing is drenched in colour.
It really is beautiful to watch.

Also – I’m reminded that I could watch Patrick Stewart do literally anything.
Honestly, he’s incredible.

The rest of the cast is fun/ok (although I also really liked Orla Brady) but Patrick carries it.

I’ll admit I was a little tired of the exceptionalism of everything, but its something Who also suffers from. Maybe its a genre thing, but not every enemy has to be the ‘most’ secret secret police, the ‘greatest’ hand-to-hand fighters, but that’s just a quibble.
After the first episode or so, I was in some ways hoping for an even-more ruminative piece. But the show jerked me out of that – as he says himself, he was ‘waiting to die’ and needed to live.
So, as ever I’m proved wrong even while watching!

And definitely agree it spoke to the present very well. Starfleet ‘retreated’ into itself, it lost something of its purpose, its focus on the good of everyone. And although that was a tad sickly (maybe even more uncomfortable than that) it came from the right place.

So, overall really liked it and happy to hear thoughts from someone who is more deeply connected to the show.

Thanks again for nudging!

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ah – just logged in to say something inconsequential and now read that Tim Brooke Taylor has died.

Was gonna post something vaguely Easter-y for music (though I’d missed timing it for stuff I should have done!). But also something completely unrelated.

I loved Tim Brooke Taylor in a non-specified ‘part-of’my-childhood-and-adult-life’ way.
Always so full of joy and silliness. But the smart and innocent kind of silliness.

Like Chapman’s younger brother (and that’s a me conflating memories as I watched and loved the Goodies way before I watched Python).

ffs and ecky thump.

damn.

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hey @craig – that’s great!
My brother bought me a framed ‘number-1-single-on-your-birthday too (not a clock though!)

No photo (erm… where did I put it??) but here it is:

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awwww…….

you think I wouldn’t give you THIS ONE?????!!???

c’mon….. pretty sure its a fave of yours

;¬)

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Hi @craig

My maths is usually wrong but I think that this was number one when you were born.

And actually, I think this sums you up as well (and possibly the thoughts of those here who are here because of you, too)

Happy Birthday

(I chose the live version as maybe has a bit more warmth if that’s possible!)

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@craig – a belated Happy Birthday.

Left you something on the jukebox…

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@thane16 – soooooo good to hear from you. Really really good. Hope you’re keeping well.

@miapatrick – really sorry to hear about your situation. I have no wise words, or advice or anything of use. Others here have said far wiser and compassionate things so just know that even the tongue-tied and those who never post and simply read are thinking of you.

@blenkinsopthebrave – happened to me too (off-licence that is!). I’m bereft. [btw should put it on appropriate thread but not yet seen Picard – need to find a few days I can max-out the free CBS trial to see the relevant STNG episodes!]

Great to see other names here again too.

Here in my area of London its a mixed picture. Streets are pretty empty. Orderly distanced queues waiting to get into corner shops and chemists. But a major park closed and too many people (like me!) thinking a walk on the canal would be good exercise (sadly can’t do that again!).

Last night the 8pm applause I only heard about 10mins before while watching the news.
Leaned out the window and was amazed to hear the cheers, clapping, whistling (I added some of my own).
My area is quite mixed (£1+m apartments; council flats; quite even mix of ‘social grades’ etc); people don’t know their neighbours (even next door flat) so to hear so many people clapping and whistling and cheering and then hooting horns… was quite amazing. Never heard something like that before – closest would be New Year’s but that’s groups of people, parties etc.

I hope our appreciation extends beyond a crisis. I hope the Tories never use the words “economically valuable” when talking about immigration ever again. I won’t hold my breath.

Stay safe everyone

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I know I’m massively late on this but just watched DotD and loved it completely (again).

Maybe its unfair to compare it to the recent couple of seasons as it feels like a ‘special’ but…. ah, the warmth of writing and acting is just enveloping.

But also the switches of emotion.

And as others have said – Hurt’s Doctor is instant. Not sure any have achieved that except Hartnell.

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ahh, I have Music to attend to!
I’ve already managed to share both the teacher-guitar-player and Lehrer!

Not sure who to share REM with (stop sniggering at the back!) but will enjoy it nonetheless!

As the DoTD will be something to entertain people over next couple of days I’ll ration my music posts but just had to thank @blenkinsopthebrave ‘s link to a wonderful Canadian resource!

here’s a nice tune I guess….

But perhaps the title of this one is more in touch with the times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI_BI0FlhMM

;¬)

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So, while walking through Trafalgar Square on Friday and seeing it empty(!) I got a shock.
But I can only imagine that that will be amplified over the coming weeks.

Now…. @mudlark has shown me that it is possible to do humour and a message but.. I’m a simple person, so here is all I got.

fwiw I thought this music was simply from ’28 Days Later’ but on looking for this, it seems it was originally from ‘Day of the Dead’ and was a meta reference.
Who’dve thought about media-meta-references… certainly not Doctor Who!

;¬)

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@mudlark – bravo!

and there was me wondering whether the choon I was about to put on the Music thread might be…. problematic.

fuck it. We need a laugh AND we need to know what fucking egregious stupidity is being done to us.

the music is mainly a laugh though, so thanks for the ‘these arseholes are killing you because they don’t’.

:¬/

But you managed both the message and the humour – I need to raise my game….

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