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he he – there’s a ton of good stuff here that I’ll listen to later while having a glass of white port (my god what a discovery that was!) and wrapping the final presents.

Although this could have been embarrassing, Kim Wilde has said she really enjoyed this and (yes) was completely and utterly plastered!!

It left me with a big smile anyway!

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Just a bit of Friday fun

Its not quite a bonker’s theory generator but… a few of them made me chuckle.

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Wow – excellent @arbutus – not heard of them but really enjoyed it! And @tardisblue that’s a great track!

oooohhhh… this is spurring on so many ping-pongs…!

@purofilion – really jealous of your knowledge of how music works (have tried reading a simple kid’s ABC on music, watched wonderful programmes such as Howard Goodhall’s history of music, read The Rest is Noise etc etc but I still obviously don’t care enough to ‘get’ it. Instead I have to use my ear, which (though not ‘bad’ – I learned to play simple stuff on tin whistle and harmonica) is limiting and downright lazy. Every time I hear you and people like you I’m spurred on to actually getting off my arse (or ear) and learning (or at least practising).

So, there was a wonderful bit of gospel above and (although i was gonna go a bit awkward with blues river c&r stuff but that’s all me me me not the music) I tried Sweet Honey in the Rock and a few others but… I had to fall back on the best – however… all the carols and seasonal stuff I’ve yootoobed tonight is … well I don’t hear the ‘heart’.

So, for anyone who likes Mahalia – and for anyone who is (foolishly) wishing it weren’t so darn hot… in London its cold and its raining

Not exactly a carol but I hope it warms you up!

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ah @scaryb – wonderful – xmas music!

Now that is one helluva track (never come across that one before!).

At chez Whisht (and assorted workplaces who are stoopid enough to allow me to put music on) this album always gets a spin. I genuinely love it.

@phaseshift – its time for xmas, but its also time for jazzzzzzz

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y’know, as I was walking home tonight through the rain (I hate rain) I had a bonkers thought.

In An Unearthly Child ep 2, Susan notices that the Tardis hasn’t changed its outward appearance and that this was unusual.

This was also the first time (presumably) that the Tardis had travelled with Humans in it (ie neither the Doctor nor Susan seemed to have travelled with Humans before).

So – could the Tardis have deliberately kept the image of the Police Box for Ian and Barbara? It wasn’t like the seemingly desolate environment could give a stuff what it looked like?

Its just that the Tardis may have deliberately kept this shape to give reassurance to Ian and Barbara when they left it, and for them to recognise it when they returned.
There could have been issues with them recognising it if it was properly camouflaged as a boulder, while the Doctor and Susan may have had more experience/ telepathic linkages etc etc to recognise it.

And after Ian and Barbara left for good, the Tardis may simply have liked that that particular shape had given comfort to people (much like the sound of ‘landing with the handbrake on’ would give a sense of hope to people) and so let it continue….

sorry – came from nowhere and just an idle bonkers thought (that really doesn’t further us for xmas or Capaldoc anything).

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:$

erm…. yeah… erm…. it was me.

[embarrassed “ta”]

btw that Leela theory was just me making up something bonkers as an example for the gag… its just that as I was forming it, it seemed to make bonkers sense!

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[skim reading]:

“cricket”

“polish my box”

“make me one in mahogany, with blue velvet inside”

What in the name of all that is DECENT has happened over here???!!!???!

[sigh, shakes head]

ah @Purofilion – not heard of ‘scratched’ floors (deliberately I’m guessing), but may I just say I do love ‘Queenslanders’ (the house-types – this ain’t no weird stalking thang). Admittedly this is from the point of view of a visitor to friends over there, but I just loved those houses – the layout, openness, grills etc etc. Brilliantly ‘simple’ and effective design.

Now, obviously this was as a guest, so I didn’t get all the seasons, and only did a bit of cleaning, but still, lovely memories on a chilly morning…

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Y’know, it seems to me that the more and more we see the Doctor interfering with points in time (against ‘the rules’), changing the past and future, the more I think he’s actually ‘breaking’ points in Time.

At least at some point he figures it out, waves his screwdriver and we get these “Fixed” points in Time…

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Ah – good question @MartyB!

Now, a few people have wondered if we ever need to run polls, and crowd-sourcing was so hip only a year or two ago (my thumb’s on the pulse of culture), so lets see if they’d be useful in this instance…

Pokies are:

a) People asking for charity donations
b) Slot machines
c) Pies of a questionable ‘meat’

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Coffee in the morning (americano).
Tea during the day (several).
Beer in the evening*.

Luckily all of those are by the pint, which is fitting for the Rose methinks.

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*actually sometimes that’s wine, and some other times vodka or gin.

But never by the pint. [ahem].

[now to see if that other post has unblocked itself… too many links it seems…]

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Thanks MartyB – quite a few fans of Van here methinks (though there’s only a few of his I’ve liked).

and I know there’s a lot of Madness love – all the way back to the first page!

now to catch up some tree-hugging hippy music as I’m peckish and thinking of fish fingers and custard…

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I took it that ‘stasis’ was just like the pictures. Frozen, unaware. As far as you’re concerned, no time passes until someone ‘adds time’.

@bluesqueakpip – That’s the best explanation of the explanation “Cuppa Soup” I’ve seen!
At the time I ignored it (much in the way that the Doctor suggested as it was a terrible analogy).

Also if you’re right (and just why wouldn’t you be?) then when the Doctor does revive Gallifrey, the TLs will (still) be on a war footing, and there’ll be a few Daleks to duck from.

I wonder if they shot any extra scenes…?

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btw – as @phaseshift himself said (damn I can’t find the right post) ‘Moderator’ isn’t a position of seniority.

Its just one of us (yes all of us who come and read – yes you) putting their hand up and saying “yeah, I’ll put the extra effort in and help out”. And he has done a lot of that to help shape where we are.

but he’s just a normal bloke (though obviously scary as shit due to the whole “Master” thang). [here’s where I insert smiley face].

The important thing is that no one* here is more important than the others (which Craig himself has affirmed several times so fair play to the guy who made the effort in the first place!).

I’m slightly ashamed that I haven’t put my own hand up to help out more, but all I’m cack-handedly trying to say is that this place may be unique and will certainly crumble if new voices don’t join in.

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* maybe it ain’t obvious, but I ain’t no tree hugging hippy, so trolls will have their throat stamped on. I detest the fact that they destroy trust.

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here’s a nice ditty.

for just about anyone and everyone who erm, might consider it (or has left already).

not that I’ll be anyone’s ‘dog’ or actually that I think New Orleans is all that bad.

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Hi @Purofilion – please don’t leave!

You’ve wandered into some old ground without knowing it – not your fault.

You’ve been the model of civility and sincerity and are a pleasure to read. You add to the community here and would be a true loss if you were to step back.

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ok – so here’s a song for our Doctor.

The poor boy’s a long way from home.

Absolutely delicious music – hope you enjoy!

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ooh and @arbutus (how could I forget you!?)

I’ve loved your conversation here (with @MartyB, @Purofilion and @timeloop and anyone else I’ve forgotten!).

It is great how the show is deliberately set up to be able to cater for any type of genre and storyline (horror, comedy, drama, adventure etc). It’d be an impossibility to allow for that many types of story, by that many writers over such a long time for all of them to work for everyone!

In terms of River Song, I must admit I find her slightly insufferable at times (mainly in her ‘knowing’ moments) but the minisodes are a complete pleasure. I think they really deliver a more rounded experience of their relationship. And the pathos of both of them knowing how the relationship ‘must’ end, yet it is worth continuing because of their love.

ah, if only the Doctor was one of those sorts who went back and broke the rules and stopped the inevitable moment from happening… – and that way madness lies and the destruction of the very thing that feeds love (our mortality) would destroy the reason for not wanting it to stop.

Instead we have to get to the end as best as possible, knowing there is an end.

Even if we’ve been subjected to the spoilers – its still worth experiencing.

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@thommck – Spoilers!!

😉

@wolfweed – maybe ‘twould make an interesting Caption Comp…?

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Hi @MartyB, @Purofilion and @timeloop,

I’m really enjoying the conversation and something that Marty said:

You are absolutely correct to say that being concise is so much more difficult.

reminded me of this famous aphorism – “If I had more time, I would have written a shorter note”

Quite a number of attributions to who said it first, but I know its been true of me on farrr too many occasions.

However, if we waited till we could be as concise as we wanted, we might never say anything – and that would be to everyone’s loss, so please please please keep typing!

🙂

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my god @juniperfish – you had an Absorbalov escapade while inter-railing??!?

That must’ve been traumatic.

:¬o

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entirely wrong for this time of night, but would hate for anyone to think that Springheel Jack just did ‘horrible’ music like Bells 2.

they also did this:

Hope you weren’t heading off to bed!

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oh and thanks @scaryb – yes that pic was something I did a long long time ago in another life.
Sad loss.

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On the Comments thread there were some Inter railing memories…. best over here methinks!

At one point on our trip in the very late 80’s I remember me and my mate going from Rome to Amsterdam via Hamburg.

We were in a nightclub in Hamburg in order to get to an early 4am train to Amsterdam. Well, what’s the point of paying even the pittance for being in a tent?

As we rolled out of the nightclub a tad drunk and extremely tired (I’d fallen asleep which they took exception to!) we were walking the empty street to the train station when a car screeched past and slid swerving to a halt ahead of us.

It was like a film and I raised my finger pointing, saying “jeezus – that guy’s pissed” when out jumped 2 guys in white shirts. Up they came and said very officially:

“What colour was the little man?”.

At this point I thought “bloody hell, they’re on drugs!”

He said it again – “What colour was the little man?”

The street was empty – there was no one around as it was about 3am.

“erm…”

“Passports”

I handed mine over, as I was drunk/ tired and now guessed they were cops as the white shirts had epaulette things. My mate was horrified as to handing over passports probably meant we now couldn’t do a runner (as if we could).

I was now guessing they were referring to the road-crossing ‘man’ who was red, but the road was empty except for their insane swerving car!

They ‘checked’ the passport on some sort of on-board car computer (this being 1989-ish this seems unlikely, but I’m sure there was some sort of screen in there!).

He came back with my passport.

“Ok, you must pay us 50 Marks or spend the night in jail”

Without actually thinking I (truthfully and overly politely) said:

“Oh, I’m sorry, we can’t do that as we’ve spent all our money in that nightclub over there and we’re about to get on a train to Amsterdam. Sorry.”

He just looked at me as I ruefully smiled ‘sorry’ back at him. He then handed back my passport and just shook his head.

As me and my mate walked off to the station (I was still too drunk/ tired/ confused to think what a lucky escape) the cop shouted back from his car –

“Send us a cake from England!”

I stopped, baffled, and turned to my mate and said “Did he just say ‘send us a cake?'” but we both thought better of it and quickened our step to the station!

Did he really ask for a cake? We were never sure if we misheard.

hey ho – yet another of life’s mysteries you can’t google (which wouldn’t be a verb for another twenty years or so – ooh us oldsters @timeloop!)

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ah – inter-railing…

reminiscences over in the pub methinks…..

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oops – apologies for the double-ish posting. My first wasn’t appearing for me, so I tried again and then again but by splitting it up.

sorry!

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@scaryb – [gasp]

never heard that version before! Trust Grace Jones to add the funk!!

brilliant! but darn – I’m now much too awake to go to bed!

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well @elouise after Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and at least a window on a sun (if not a sun itself although some people think so) after Journey to the Centre of the Tardis, an elephant wouldn’t be that strange.

smaller in fact than a swimming pool!

(but no, you’re not mad, just bonkers like the rest of us!)

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@elouise – does this question arise from making you listen to Warm Leatherette?

If so, I’m sorry and will pay for the counselling fees.

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@elouise – for this:

I actually listened through the whole thing, in the frail belief that something else would happen…
Never have I been so wrong…

I want to hug you!!

I’m genuinely laughing and its been a while, so thank you!

Honestly – I know what you mean and yet you prefer it to Bells 2??
My god woman, you’re a rare thing!!

🙂

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@tardisblue – I’ll admit I have far far too many books/movies/stuff I haven’t seen yet. In terms of Ursula Le Guin I’m no expert as have only read two (Lathe and Left Hand of Darkness) as they were recommended by so many people.
They’re both interesting in terms of setting up a possible world, what it reflects on today’s world and pure characterisation of what would a ‘real’ person do in those circumstances. For that reason they felt more ‘satisfying’ than for instance Arthur C Clarke (great concepts – poor characterisations), but weren’t at the other end of the rollicking-space-operas-spectrum (Harry Harrison/ Ben Bova/ Mieville/ Stephenson etc etc).

But there are more literary (and literate!) people here who’ll recommend better than I over on the Books thread!

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hm, as that one worked, I’ll try replying again to a couple of people here as the replies may have got jammed in the gears of auto moderation.

@arbutus – I really liked your take on TDoTD and agree as to The Lathe of Heaven (if I wrote tLoH I’d have everyone wondering which episode I was referring to… which I may do in the future as I’m a tad mischievious!).

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ah @scaryb – “Eagle Eyes??!?? – does that mean I get another badge or simply explain the strange switch protruding from the back of my skull??

Either way its a win!

🙂

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@timeloop, @elouise and in terms of an alarm ringtone, I use the default one on my phone. However, I went through extremes for a phone ringtone that would actually cut through my headphones. I thought this would work as its the most ‘annoying’ piece of music on my iTunes (other than the stuff i actually dislike) [the normal].But it kept ringing at work when I wasn’t at my desk so I went with this which is far nicer (and lets face it, if I have my headphones on I’m not going to answer the phone anyway!) [bells 2 shj] *warning may contain drum and bass you actually might like.

but thanks for the Caro Emerald – liking the jiveicity!

@arbutus – I really liked your take on TDoTD and agree as to The Lathe of Heaven (if I wrote tLoH I’d have everyone wondering which episode I was referring to… which I may do in the future as I’m a tad mischievious!).

@tardisblue – I’ll admit I have far far too many books/movies/stuff I haven’t seen yet. In terms of Ursula Le Guin I’m no expert as have only read two (Lathe and Left Hand of Darkness) as they were recommended by so many people.
They’re both interesting in terms of setting up a possible world, what it reflects on today’s world and pure characterisation of what would a ‘real’ person do in those circumstances. For that reason they felt more ‘satisfying’ than for instance Arthur C Clarke (great concepts – poor characterisations), but weren’t at the other end of the rollicking-space-operas-spectrum (Harry Harrison/ Ben Bova/ Mieville/ Stephenson etc etc).

But there are more literary (and literate!) people here who’ll recommend better than I over on the Books thread!

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oops – really sorry but I may be being thought of as spam (or its a quality filter, in which case I’ll try harder).

Was trying to reply to people on the tDoTD thread.

I’ve saved it after it failed to post, so will try again later – mainly saying it here in case its happening to anyone else (and to see if I can post to other threads!*).

* well, that worked so will try again…

… nah must be something to do with that post… ah, too many “@”s methinks…)

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@timeloop, @elouise and @timeloop in terms of an alarm ringtone, I use the default one on my phone. However, I went through extremes for a phone ringtone that would actually cut through my headphones. I thought this would work as its the most ‘annoying’ piece of music on my iTunes (other than the stuff I dislike and put there anyway).

But it kept ringing at work when I wasn’t at my desk so I went with this which is far nicer* (and lets face it, if I have my headphones on I’m not going to answer the phone anyway!).

*warning – you’ll have to hit ‘play’ and may contain drum and bass you actually might like.

But thanks for the Caro Emerald – liking the jiveicity!

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oh and @purofilion – hadn’t thought you were cranky.

Completely agree that the Time War is best served by the effects in the imagination (btw a novel by Ursula Le Guin called The Lathe of Heaven – although not about a Time War – had incidents that give a sense of what it might be like living through one. And I cannot imagine that sense of confusion and dread being served better as a movie).

hey ho!

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ah – @bluesqueakpip – glad you agree that the Curator is simply the retired Doctor (who can even pass on the mantle of Doctor…). mainly glad as it means I’m not going mad (or simple).

I love your analysis of Tenn/Smith reacting against the ‘adult’ Hurt who made the wrong ‘adult’ decision (rather than a childish rejection of what ‘had’ to be done and find another way).

But I have to smile that that means that the Doctor “is again a responsible adult” – yet choosing the face of Tom Baker who was the biggest 4 year old of them all*! 🙂

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*and I loved him for it!

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Watched this again, and have to say it was even better having read all the timey-wimey analysis here!

Just a couple of things I noticed:

At the beginning, the Tardis is located on an expanse of countryside beside a road. This reminded me strongly of the poignant moment in An Adventure in Space and Time where Hartnell has stopped in his car, confused and staring at a Police box in the countryside. I know just a coincidence, or taking advantage of a location (or my faulty memory).

Oh, and the Handbook on Advanced Quantum Mechanics that the Doctor is carefully reading has a logo of the Tardis on the cover (as if published by the Tardis).
Bonkerserise away with that one!

What I found pretty straightforward (and thus surely I’m wrong!), was that throughout the 50th, there was mention of the Doctor’s ‘job’ (and lack of) with him insisting “I’d be good at having a job” etc.
We then see Liz 1st ‘give’ him the job of Curator of the Under Gallery. And at the end, he faces ‘an old face’ who is Curator (possibly of the Under Gallery).

Well, it all ties together in an obvious way, so why wouldn’t this job (Curator) not be where the Doctor retires to?
Or am I thinking like an 8 year old (it happens! 🙂 )?

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No real need for words from me.

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I’ve nothing to add to the general “wasn’t it brilliant!?!”-ness of the comments (to which I agree), except a mild surprise that no one’s yet mentioned the other planet-destroying sentient bomb in a movie.

Think I may watch it again tonight.

Man.

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Just thought this might be nice.

Just in case it brightens someone’s day, especially if they’re feeling down.
(haven’t embedded this time – just in case someone’s bandwidth is struggling to load the page)

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I’d agree that @scaryb is someone whose opinion I’d trust (in terms of rudeness and trolling), but also that this shouldn’t mean she should feel obliged.

However I’ll try perhaps a bit harder to intervene if I spot any rudeness, so the mods don’t have to.

And in terms of whether this site is intimidating – luckily I got in before I realised the depth of knowledge people had! I doubt I would have otherwise, as my knowledge of Who sounds a bit like @fatmaninabox ‘s (or perhaps even less!).

I just like the people here and the conversation – its fun, polite and I learn loads about writing and TV (neither of which I do).

So – thanks to everyone for making this a great space!

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Hi @purofilion – just wanted to agree that that was a wonderful post.

thank you for sharing, and looking forward to hearing more!

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hey – thanks @Shazzbot!
apologies for lateness of reply, been away from the forum with a bunch of dull distractions!

Right now I’d like to see films I should have seen but haven’t yet (eg There Will Be Blood or the latest Batman trilogy).

If I just need a laugh, surely Airplane can’t be bettered.

Just don’t call me Shirley.

🙂

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Hey @Shazzbot – totally agree!

Aileen (oh, my terrible spelling 😉 but it was her own joke) was great – rather than ‘just’ serve tables well (in itself a great thing), she also spent time and energy with us.

Unfortunately we couldn’t give her any of the fantastic gifts you provided – so ‘fame’ (infamy?) will have to do!

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Hi @tennantmarsters2013 – lovely thought as to the final scene being inside a Tardis.

For me the hexagons on the wall looked like artwork (in the gallery) and with BakerDoc being there, made me think that regenerations of the doctor and the Tardis console room often relied on memories.

As well as something that’ll have been on their mind with Capaldi.

However – its so open ended that you can interpret it any way you (ie we) like and it be ‘right’.

Who knows

😉

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Hey @denvaldron – I don’t think anyone’s getting at you personally, I think they’re just (also) offering their perspectives.

I thought the show great on first viewing, then weaker on first remembering and have now re-watched and think it much better than when I first viewed it. As for the Moment choosing when to locate/snatch the Doctors, perhaps she wanted them to realise that freezing Gallifrey “like a painting” might be a good idea (hence TennantDr).

But in all honesty, I pretty much go along for the ride when watching, so can’t say my analytic judgement is much to be admired!

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hey @thekrynoidman – nice list.

Now, as is the way with “top” lists, you and I probably have about a hundred films in our “top ten”. My brother (genius and all round good guy) had a really interesting alternative to a “top” list of songs – he asked “what three songs would I like to hear right now?”

so – what three movies would you like (the choice to see unless you like marathons) right now?
What’s great is that I’d bet it’d include film(s) that aren’t on that list!

and if you’d like to do that with music… there’s a thread for that.

🙂

oh, and the Day of the Doctor doesn’t count

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Updateshh…

(hic)

Fergedaboutit

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@denvaldron – great to hear you here again!

A fantastic plot-hole question!

and how should we fill a plot-hole question??

With a bonkers theory of course!! Its what we’re here for!

🙂

Now, I haven’t an effing clue. Do you?

Oh ok, (channelling ‘bonkers’) – can there be backward echoes of future events?

The GI does enter the scar, so has access to some of the future and maybe there’s a backwash (I reckon that’s why Clara faints when seeing HurtDr though it could be because he was an illustration in the History of the Time War book).

but… not sure this is really bonkers so…. c’mon, you can do better!

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@pedant – thanks (that be catnip)!

somewhat spookily, I am The Illuminator.

which is bit weird as I actually used to illustrate for a living*… (illuminated manuscripts and all that).

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*well, I say a living. I was an un(der)employed illustrator for a few years before becoming so thin and hungry that I gave in and figured out how to turn a computer on and ‘learn web’.

[sigh]

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