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Hey @Shazzbot – yep, looking forward to it!

Sorry have been a bit quiet of late – just ‘stuff’ keeping me away from the forum, but am lurking and catching up when I can!

And I now owe a few people posts but can’t find the threads, so (for one) hi @denvaldron – glad you made it back! Any bonkers theories??

;¬)

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So, HurtDr is “The Doctor” in terms of being the heroic figure our doctor took his name from.

HurtDr did something terrible (not killing all the TLs – that was our Doctor), though possibly linked (eg HrtDr gave the Daleks the weapon, our Doctor locked the TLs in Time so they couldn’t escape it).

HurtDr is hated by rest of Universe and our Doctor hid him in his scar (our Doctor is compassionate not hateful) – (ive adapted my “marching into the scar” image).
HurtDr will be redeemed/ forgiven.

Past episodes will be interwoven (screeching bloody tyres!).

Clara saw HurtDr in the book from a future memory and so faints on seeing him.

She sees all 11 as he’s not one of them.

None of the above will happen BUT we will have an “I am Spartacus” moment in real time due to the simulcast (and it will involve Zygons as well as 3 Doctors).

Oh, and did I mention none of the above will happen!

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erm, would it make sense to have a Trailer thread (its almost an episode in its own right)?

That way, there’s loads of discussion, pulling it apart piece by piece (pixel by pixel!) but no contamination of other episode/ 50th/ sofa threads.

The Sofa is a place to get community news too, so if people are really averse, they may miss stuff about the 22nd, updates on members etc etc.

just a thought

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oh, and actually I mainly agree with Phaseshift’s last post but especially point 2!

Can’t create a problem that massive for the future! Broken window etc – that’s Matt’s Tardis so a bloody nightmare to move on from over the next year let alone years!

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And if the above is true (as if) then we will have either TennantDr or SmithDr march HurtDr into his ‘scar’ to be imprisoned. He will lock the scar (as it allows travel to so many crucial points in time) with his name and the whole thing guarded by The Silence (a morally dubious choice if ever there was one).

And when Clara says “oh so that’s who…” when reading the History of the Time War, she’s actually saying “oh so that’s ‘Who'” as in “oh, so that’s the heroic guy that then did something terrible”. Yet she hasn’t met/seen HurtDr yet. So when she sees him in the scar she faints as she’s in a paradox.

So how did she recognise him before she’d entered the scar? Could she be suffering an echo from a future Claricle..?

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erm – have we had this (variant of the) bonkers theory?

Can HurtDr be Dr Zero because he is actually Doctor Who where “Who” is simply his surname (shortened from the very long silly Gallifreyan).

He was actually a beloved and brilliant Gallifreyan (I was going to say “Man” as in Human but that would be even madder!). He was heroic, a humanitarian (sic), pacifist, generous etc etc*. He was honoured and beloved by Gallifreyan society and culture. Our Doctor took his name as a mark of respect. What our Doctor does, he does in his (HurtDr’s) name.

But then HurtDr did something terrible, something shameful “out of peace and sanity” that our Doctor doesn’t think lives up to the name the progenitor made for himself.

HurtDr was our Doctor’s hero. And he broke his hearts.

*and if he was all this and a peadeatrician then Bluesqueakpip et al will be squeeing even higher!

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yep @Shazzbot – I actually think that’s why most people don’t contribute or drop away for periods.
They probably just think they don’t have anything interesting to add and are happy just to read along. which is fair enough.

That was where my silly ‘lurkers outside the pub’ image came from. I’ll admit when I was writing it I thought that most people have something interesting to say about something, so I had to come up with a bonkers theory for one of them on the spot. Kinda felt like those cartoon characters who run off a cliff and continue running in mid air.

Luckily Leela saved me!

Mind you, I’m glad I didn’t write it a day later or I’d have had to add a spot of violence as a group of armed vigilantes suddenly erupt from the bar and tear a dull, loudmouth prat apart.

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he he – yes, I’ll admit it, I was obsessed about those tyres!

They just must be important!

Though having said that, I was also sure that Clara Oswin Oswald was an anagram…. (I’ll never see those hours again…)

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@craig – yep, though having English as a second language doesn’t mean that its usual to write either aggressively or in single blocks of writing. (I can’t imagine my couple of friends from there doing that).

and being thin skinned when ‘giving out’ is a sign of a bully in whatever culture.

And don’t get me started on bullies.

y’know, I’m really sorry that by creating and keeping this community going, you have to deal with this shit.

Thank you

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and also Shazzbot I know you know this already (damn, rereading and realising I hadn’t written properly and edits gone so I can’t edit original post).

Its more – you’re right, and yes, people are that lazy and dumb!

—EDIT —

ah – you replied already!

doh!

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blimey – that was longer than intended – apologies!!

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@shazzbot – shh, next you’ll be saying that the website has no clothes…

🙂

actually, the whole online advertising model is (currently) based around the physical newspaper/ magazine/ billboard model.

Which itself is based on intuition – which is “if more people who we think could be our customers see it, then more of the people who may be our customers may buy it”.

Its a belief that kinda works but hardly efficiently, but no one ever got sacked for believing in what everyone else believed in. This particular belief has been going for a couple of hundred years, and it is at least proven that by not advertising, sales go down. However, where and when an advert is seen is the key to someone remembering, and the current approach is still locked in print media thinking. Its changing (though not as quickly as you’d imagine digital abilities to be) and Google is the benchmark at the moment (“we got what we think was their intent or mindset from the search query so show them ‘this’ and this is more relevant so charge the advertiser more).

However, I haven’t seen many stats for who actually clicks the advert and then actually buys. Its all based on hope.

I remember a few years ago an agency that distributed ads being surprised when their ‘number of clicks who viewed the ad website’ was challenged by my client as we had a way of (finally) accurately counting the actual number of “eyeballs” that they had. And yes, it was far fewer. Our client had been overpaying them for years. And it still goes on, as I’m not sure accurate counting is happening (though its not my particular area of expertise).

So yes, you’re right. But yes, the guardian get more money by provocative articles leading to clicks.

and it was such a shite article. I haven’t been bothered to write anything there though I’ve recommended anything that said “this is shit”.

perhaps I’m a good example as to why we shouldn’t have “likes” and “recommends” as its better to hear thoughts and voices than simply volume of agreement.

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@wolfweed – is that a spoiler or is that a Zygon?

or is that the Valeyard???

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he he – I’ve just had a wonderful image for the 22nd. (indulge me).

I can imagine a number of people here in The Dean all chatting and swapping stories, but a few score outside ‘lurking’ and listening through the open windows.

Every few minutes some of the people inside will be imploring the people outside through the open doors and windows:

“Please come in – we’d love you to join in the conversation”

“ah no, [mumble] I’m ok”

“oh please, look we’d really love for you to join in the craic. We’ve got beer…”

“ah no, honest, I’m not that ‘core’, I’d rather just listen”

“Oh please come in – look, you’ve got celery in your lapel, you’re bound to have a bonkers theory”

“nahh, not me, I don’t really watch it that much but… nah, but I just liked Tenant and Matt and y’know… I was kinda fond of it as a kid and kinda just enjoy listening to you guys”

“aw, come on, come in. Look, which was your Doctor?”

“Huh? ah, well, Baker. And y’know, I always thought Leela would come back after she was found to be the one the Doctor took the rap for”

“huh?”

“Well, she was a warrior and on Gallifrey, so she’s more likely to have condemned everyone to death to defeat the Daleks, but the Doctor wouldn’t want her harmed so said it was his decision and took the blame and ran away, with the Hurt Dr being her son.
But, y’know, it was just a little theory I had…”

[gasp]

” COME INNNNN – fertheluvofgod come in – that’s bonkers!”

“Really? Would you let me..?”

“LET YOU??? ffs – come in!!!!!”

:¬)

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indeed @fatmaninabox – you’re quite right.

and @shazzbot – lo lo lo lo lol!!!
that truly made me laugh (which I needed) and I’m now going to spam it to ten thousand of my closest friends (as they say).

thank you!

(oh and @jimthefish – in case it sounded wrong, I was actually congratulating your choice. The Fall are always the right choice!)

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hey @mini-htpbdets – no need to apologise (whatever for??).

I only mentioned it as it gave me a thrill when he said he liked it – its a measure of the respect I have for him that I’d be thrilled!

Glad you’re taking a break with your family.
take care and if you decide to keep posting, we’ll be very happy.

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and @jimthefish – that’s the second time we’ve had that ditty by the Fall!

Also, I was lucky enough to have John Foxx as a tutor on my degree course (Illustration).

nice guy. No lurid tales (i don’t have any) but non-lurid thoughts for the pub methinks (maybe The Felton, should he happen to be reading this in the most bizarre of coincidences!).

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he he – I’ve got this on 45 believe it or not (ok ok my elder brother’s probably!)

and there was me thinking you were talking about this equally scary choon

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Hi @Mini-HTPBDET(s) – its really great hearing from you. You have a great way with words
(far better than I!).
I once discussed the track of tears with your uncle (he was right of course!) but I was proud when he said that he liked a small idea I had, saying that (possibly) the HurtDr would be marched into the track by the Doctor. It’s a measure of the respect we have for him that I was so pleased he liked such a small image.

It can be a bit daunting having someone extraordinary like that in your life, but I think you’ll be extraordinary too.

To be honest, by what you’ve said here in a couple of places, you’ve proven you are
already.

so – lets do some more bonkers theorising!

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Hi @craig – I think I may have been treated as spam.

Now, it could also be a new quality control feature, or it could have been at my end (user error, BT broadband etc etc).

Really hate asking for you to do this but I tried to leave a post on The Day of the Doctor thread in response to mini-HTBDET(s) here.

Apologies if its my error – if so I’ll try and re-post.
thanks for your help mate (that’s another pint I owe you – you’ll be plastered when after we eventually meet!)

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@htpbdet, my thoughts and condolences are for you and your family.

Your writing here showed the enormous tenderness and love you have for your family. That love doesn’t die.
Their love for you is shown in how they reached out to friends of yours they (and you) would never meet; it was shown in changing wedding plans so you could all be together. I am so glad you were.

The fact this community happens to have a shared interest in a TV show is basically irrelevant. We’re friends because we share ideas, memories, jokes and time with each other. We respect each other – you exemplified this, while passionately holding your opinion.

I’m probably not the only one here who thinks they are better off having read your thoughts, your memories, and got a glimpse of the deep love you have for your loved ones.

I’ll take a look at the stars tonight, and hopefully my tears won’t make them too blurry.

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@blenkinsopthebrave – bravo and couldn’t agree more.

How do I thumbs up?

;¬)

I love how this forum has developed organically, spurred by requests, trials and loving attention from @craig who (let us not forget) has a day job and other things in his life, as well as the moderators’ efforts.

Personally the addition of the “All activity” bar has been brilliant, the discussion and implementation of reduced glare (or reduced contrast?) for text, fonts being tweaked as we went mobile – its been wonderful and what an improvement when none of us was expecting it!

Thank you for providing me with so much fun/ stimulation/ bonkersness!

As for any perceived lack of interaction from lurkers, there is a rule-of-thumb that was doing the rounds a couple of years ago called 1:9:90 which could be applied to forum activity – are we so far off? Is it even a reliable ratio (or just consultancy bollocks??).

And as for polls, I’d love us to steer clear of dull ‘crap/excellent’ polls as they don’t really further the conversation (and as Shazzbot says, what are we trying to achieve that the solution is a poll?).
Though if we are to have a poll, perhaps a poll to ask lurkers:
“Do you not post because –
a) you’re shy
b) you’ve nothing to add (but enjoy listening to the conversation)
c) you’re worried about your written English
d) you’re a bot hanging out after a bit of spamming and just loves the chat about Daleks

[for me the answer is usually b. I’m sure there’s an e, f, g…]

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Sorry – been kinda preoccupied with a few things (but have been keeping up honest!).

Just thought I’d post a bit of the ol’ music.

The lyrics are hard to discern, but kind of appropriate, so I thought I’d add for all you lyric types (ok, @Shazzbot).
hope you enjoy!

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As logic stands you couldn’t meet a man
Who’s from the future
But logic broke as he appeared he spoke
About the Future
“We’re not gonna make it” He explained how
The end will come – you and me were never meant
To be part of the future –
All we have is now –
All we’ve ever had was now
All we have is now
All we’ll ever have is now

I noticed that he had a watch and hat
That looked familiar
He was me – from a dimension torn free
Of the future
“We’re not gonna make it” He explained how
The end will come – You and me were never meant
To be part of the future –
All we have is now –
All we’ve ever had was now
All we have is now
All we’ll ever have is now –

All we have is now –

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[well, if they needed a down-beat theme for the 50th, here it is!]

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Hey @craig – loving the new styling!

its really interesting to me the way the interface has developed over the last couple of days in terms of “honing it” (ignoring the many hours it took you getting it to this point!).

You’re right that on a mobile the font works very well, but weirdly on a laptop it felt a bit ‘wide’/ airy/ I-have-to-step-back-a-bit-to-read a day ago.

Until the very light grey was applied as background. Now I find legibility is great on laptop and mobile!

Its really interesting to me to hear how people actually experience the changes as whether people have a diagnosed condition or not, getting the design better helps everyone (as you might infer, I have an interest in accessibility).

thanks again (from me at least) for making such an effort for everyone here.

we’ll have to catch up one day in a pub or something, so I can buy you a pint!

;¬)

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hey – thanks @scaryb, its rather nice to know my monster raised a smile! or frown…

and I’ve been remiss with the music (so many others doing the good work over there!).

btw another ‘outdoor’ pub in Southwark (ie near London Bridge and therefore Jubilee line) is The George Inn. On Fridays its packed (as are all the pubs in that area with after work drinkers), and not a particular fave of mine, but it has a courtyard!
The Glad is so small that its outside is practically its inside, and there are other pubs with tables outside, but not sure what the areas like now (I used to work round there a few years ago). Not really ‘running around’ space for dogs though…

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And its not just theories this place has had – its been an education!
I’ve learned more about writing and production here than anywhere else – who can forget Chekhov’s Duck??!?

I read (and wept) at the entwined memories of @htpbdet

and I had a whale of a time with @rob making up monsters!

so, theories are great, and why we’re here, but not the only reason why we’re here!

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btw – in terms of theories I’ve enjoyed… I didn’t want to mention posters by name, as I’d forget someone and that would be dumb.

However, perhaps its good to remember some of those who don’t seem to be around anymore, in case a mention gets an email to them that they open and want to take part.

So here’s to @mtgradwell @Bruin @craignixon @pennyintheair (and her leaf theories) @denvaldron (and his brilliant Cushing crush) @bobbyfat (and the Silence/ music connection).

and no more effing failed anagrams.

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yeah @shazzbot, that’d be about right. The unholstered guns dogs are still there, but over the last couple of years there’s been a real change.
Still, completely get what you mean (I don’t have a dog so don’t encounter the aggro, but can see how it is/was there).

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@Shazzbot – yeah, you had me at “pub”…

😉

Fair enough about London Fields feeling a bit scary at night, but when were you there on a Sunday afternoon?

Usually that’s a hipster zone (spreading up from Brick Lane, through Caledonia Market up Broadway Market to the park). Nowadays the worst you get is a withering look from someone dressed from the 80’s…

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he he – two minds and all that Craig… (in terms of keeping it in one place as well as pubs!)

will post the rest of this reply over there….

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agree with @craig – The Anchor is a bit touristy/ after-work drinks meet-up place.
Could be a bit nippy in November by the river, but is central.

I actually suggested a different place due to a East London mention on another thread, so maybe we need a dedicated 50th pub-thread!

There’s nothing like dedication to pubs!

🙂

[edit – Craig already just suggested to keep the suggestions here! Great suggestion as always!]

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blimey @thommck – that raised a smile as it reminds me of my old work!
cheers!

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East London dog friendly pub…? well, there are a few park-pubs perhaps (eg Pub on The Park in London Fields)…

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nice clip @bluesqueakpip …

Just curious, but if you found that after a quick google for “waiting”, its interesting that your muppet video had Tom Hiddlestone and mine had…. another muppet.

though probably reflects worse on my google history, rather than any “good looking young man” google history on your part…

😉

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sorry @shazzbot – I’ve been neglecting the threads….

The Beat’s great, so thanks for that.

I don’t have anything that is even vaguely suitable, Who-related, waiting-related (except on the 50th)…. unless a tenuous link to people being told “don’t share the comic-con trailer”.

Don’t…. don’t… don’t…

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@blenkinsopthebrave – brilliant! fantastic video!

So, spurred on by @Shazzbot I thought I’d share some strategies for waiting.

Over on the Music thread I’ll try and share something suitable as well…. well, suitable in context of working too hard and needing a laugh recently…..

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Hi @craig – nor me.

I’m guessing it’s not used by any other system (eg wordpress or google) to infer any ranking or importance in indexing or searching..?

And even if it were, are we really that bothered with being even more ‘findable’?

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ah, @bluesqueakpip – if bonkers theories were limited by constraints like “but how could they shrink?” then I think I wouldn’t bother with them…

😉

(and please never remind me of that DobbyDoctor again!)

{shudders}

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um – have we had this bonkers theory yet?

HurtDoctor isn’t a regeneration – he is simply an aged SmithDoctor.

I mean, if he were in the Time Lock, repeating the same day, over and over, he might age a lot.

This would account for the same key chain, and he might be wearing a bow tie beneath that scarf….

No idea how this would be in the story, but just a bonkers thought….

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Just thinking @bluesqueakpip and @thegeneral that the anniversary episode is called “The (Groundhog) Day of The Doctor”.

It really works as a way for time locks to work and for the story to be constructed.

We’d better be careful any bonkers theorising doesn’t become spoilery!

😉

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Ah, as ever @bluesqueakpip you seem to have a handle on all this, so you’ll know the answer to this.

I’ve never believed @craig exists as a real person – it’s obviously a character played by Ed Norton. It’s not like Norton’s even bothered to use makeup to look that different (which is just a bit lazy to my mind).

But I can’t tell if the character is Craig or that Norton is playing Ming the Merciless.

So are you saying Craig is real, or that Norton is a character played by Craig, or that both are fictitious?

And if so, does that mean Ming is real…?

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actually @craig, what do you make of this?

A bit of an underarm bowl it has to be said…

sadly, I’ve thrown mine away in the last housemove, but there was one called “fast forwarding is for wimps” (or similar)

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ah @craig – I have a bit of that too (thinking of someone and then getting an email from them).

but, of course, you’ll know that already.

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ha ha! – Craig, I meant to link you to “thingamy” as a gag but forgot!

thankfully your omniscience was, erm, omni-like!

[and anyway – what does he know about techno…. ahem!]

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hi @Shazzbot – thanks for asking – I’ve just been busy and reading and listening and enjoying but just nothing much to add!

However, something our esteemed thingamy might enjoy is on tomorrow night.

Shut Up and Play the Hits – Friday night Film4 from 10:55pm to 1:05am

I’ve not seen it, but I’m sure he can tell us if its worth setting our recorders for (obviously we’ll all be out in dark sweaty venues, listening to four-to-the-floor beats. obviously).

[ahem]

well… I may be in, so may well just watch it without needing to record it…. [ahem]

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I never saw the series (was it ever repeated as I’m too young to remember when it was first on – don’t say that too often!) but did see the TV film.

I distinctly remember how dingy and murky it all was, especially the slow punching of the bucket of sand.

So, the box set of Callan sounds nice…

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I actually heard Iannucci being interviewed on the Danny Baker radio show, talking about Capaldi and Doctor Who.

Now he’s mentioned it again…. good!

As I said here in a previous post 15672– pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease!!

🙂

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Ah, thanks @bluesqueakpip and @thegeneral – bit of consensus there on groundhog day…

Hmmm… I reckon you may be right.
Funnily enough when I was drawing Time out on post its I assumed that everything in the lock would have to “catch up” with wherever the rest of the universe was (causing weird backwards timey wimey ripples into the Schroedinger like bubble) but it made no sense, so I gave up.

Yours is much simpler so I like!

And also cos now I have a smirk thinking of Bill Murray!

Cheers!

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Is this the right place for a bonkers silly idea for a revamped TV show crossed with Doctor Who?

Bear with me…

C.I.V.

Two agents, one thoughtful and law-abiding, the other a dashing ex-soldier, wooing “companions” from their time-travelling Capri.
Together, they fight crime.

Yes – its the Celestial Intervention Agency crossed with The Professionals.

its C.I.V (“V” as in 5)

dahhh dahhh dahhhh dahh, duum-duum doom!

.

.

[nah, its sunny, didn’t bring a coat….]

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Not sure if this is the right place, but I’ve been thinking about the Time Lock…. (and now my head hurts).

I’m pretty sure that a Time Lock stops Time travel into and out of a particular space and time period. Creating a locked bubble you can’t Time Travel into or out of, for as long as the Lock stands.

I’ve pondered far longer than I should have, if that’s all it does, but I’ve discounted all my @bluesqueakpip -esque post-its with lines and A and B marks as I’m simply confusing myself and making up weird stuff to explain the timey wimey-ness…

If it’s the case that the Lock simply stops Time travel in and out, then at some point the Lock ends and whoever was within that Lock will walk (or roll) out.
And I think that the Daleks were likely to win that war so…. the Doctor must have intended/set the end of the Lock to be at the end of the Time (so that effectively the Lock is ‘forever’). Dooming his planet and people from any outside help etc. That’ll explain the sorrow.

.

Now, within that bubble will be a madness of killing and destruction until there’s a victor – probably the Daleks.

But whoever is within the Time Lock can still fly out physically, beyond the edge of the Lock/ bubble, in ships.

Its the slow way, but they’ve got Time on their side…

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