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14 September 2014 at 23:50 #31718
Sorry, just got got back from a night out. Thank you @arbutus for the concern, but from what I read I may be able to fast track myself a Scottish citizenship. Fingers crossed! I have a rather compelling case, having Scottish parents and grown up there.
@pedant Of course we joined the Union following the disasterous Darien Scheme. And England obliged because we had trading relations with Europe that they wanted. England has never really got on with Europe has it? 100 years war etc. right up until now. Our Scottish princesses spoke french and married French princes. Like their marriages, the bond between Scotland and England was a marriage of convenience.
England still spawns the likes of Farage while Scotland opens it doors to all. It does make me a little bit sad. Anyway:
I don’t care what happens to television in Scotland
I don’t care what happens to the health service in Scotland
I don’t care what happens to taxation in Scotland
I don’t care what happens to business in Scotland
I don’t care what happens to everything else in Scotland
Because as long as the people of Scotland have control of it, I have no reason to care.14 September 2014 at 18:03 #31664@pedant I think Devo Max may have been the plan all along and you may just have missed a plot point or two. Meanwhile:
If I were running a campaign to screw Scotland to the wall it would be almost trivially easy
Of course it would, but not if the rest of the UK has no control over Scotland. Which is the case. We might as well be somewhere in Asia or Africa or South America.
14 September 2014 at 17:10 #31659To the partisan, any words that do not wholly toe the line are biased.
That’s just “You’re lying. No you’re lying.”
I read your blog post and it’s really good. Great read. But “Alex Salmond would rather take a bad deal than no deal ” is just wrong. Alex Salmond has already won more for Scotland than it has had for 300 years. Even if he loses, he has won (which I think may have been the plan all along).
Cameron ruled out Devo Max, but has just given it anyway out of fear. What that fear is, loss of job, loss of oil, loss of staus on the world stage, I don’t know. But for once, for the first time in my life, politicians are afraid of the people.
I hope it stays that way.
14 September 2014 at 16:55 #31655@pedant Over 1000, some suggest 3000, protested against BBC bias today. They may all be paranoid. Or they may have watched the media manipulation.
14 September 2014 at 16:45 #31653@timeloop What she is suggesting is a free National Health Service for all (a cherished part of our lives) is under threat, as it is in the rest of the UK. Do you need numbers and statistics to convince you, or the word of a leading cancer surgeon who lives it every day? I could collate that sort of stuff if you want.
@pedant The BBC has been pro No this whole campaign. It’s not paranoid nonsense. Just looking at facts. People are already calling for Nick Robinson’s resignation. Just as an example, I’m not a huge fan of Wings Over Scotland but the videos show the truth: http://wingsoverscotland.com/out-in-the-open/
@bluesqueakpip I don’t have a vote either. On Friday I may not actually, legally be Scottish (I was born in England, my parents lived in Carlisle for a few years) which is why I want everyone to be as politically involved as they possibly can, vote or no vote.
14 September 2014 at 15:33 #31639One single reason for voting Yes, and there are many more.
14 September 2014 at 15:25 #31638So I don’t know if any of you care, but Scotland votes on indepedence this week. I care a lot.
Westminster is running scared, all the dirty tricks are coming out at the last minute and our beloved BBC is being more biased than it was even before the Iraq war. I kinda feel I don’t live in a democracy any more and even public corporations are in the thrall of Government.
Sorry, but it worries me. Why can’t people be allowed a free choice without scare stories and intimidation that keep all the vested interested happy?
Vote Yes and there’ll be a monster under your bed! That’s what they’re saying. Or are you brave?
11 September 2014 at 19:35 #31460Hi @timeloop
I think an @all would be a bad idea I’m afraid. Although it would make things easy I think it would leave us all open to abuse. And I think if you post a question, you can be confident the regulars will read it even if you haven’t @’d them. I’ve often posted saying “This is for @ everyone…” and many have responded.
About 1500 people have joined but we really only have a small amount of contributors. I think @whisht said he read that there’s a 90:9:1 split on forums. 1 person starts a topic (me) and for every 9 people who comment another 90 are quite happy just to read it. I don’t think 1500 people would be happy to get a general question email from a site they may have joined last year and never visited again or only visit occasionally.
My hosts would also not be very happy to have to send out 1500 emails every time someone used @all. It would be a drain on their servers.
Traffic is good. We had our biggest number of visits for the first episode – over the weekend it was about 3000 people. It’s been less for the other episodes. But I don’t really worry too much about it. Am very happy that we are attracting some really good quality new members.
And thanks for the thanks =)
6 September 2014 at 20:18 #31196@wolfweed Quick reaction… Oh FFS. Totally hobbled it.
Going out tonight, but will post more tomorrow.
Not a spoiler now, but in the original the Sheriff came back from the dead, then they knocked off his head and he turned out to be a cyborg-style robot. Robin gave his head back to his body so that they could have a fair swordfight, before defeating him.
Losing the cyborg-style robot may be detrimental to the long game. Not sure.
6 September 2014 at 17:59 #31189I am feeling quite strongly about this having seen the non-offensive original.
I’m going to make my first ever complaint to the BBC. If anyone else wants to you can do it below.
I remember living in Scotland when the Lockerbie bombing happened and there was a film due to be shown that night that started with the death of a man’s family in a plane crash. They didn’t show it. That’s one thing.
If they didn’t show this episode I would be fine, but to edit it, to take the censors scissors to it, is different and, I think, worth complaining about.
6 September 2014 at 15:55 #31187@wolfweed @jimthefish @fatmaninabox
I am very much in the camp that would not like to see Game of Thrones type decapitation at the moment, if ever. Some of that series still haunts me. However, I watched the leaked episode earlier this week and I have to say that, despite all the recent horrors, I would not connect the two because of the way it was done. It’s all sort of sci-fi slapstick, if that’s a thing. The episode is quite pantomime in tone.
I’ll be interested to see how they re-edit it as it’s a reasonably major thing towards the end – not just a cheap shot. It actually is a moment that changes both story and character. It’s a big thing.
I hope they haven’t ruined the end just because some of the high-ups got scared about the licence renewal. The Daily Mail could run all the “Sick BBC shows beheading” stories they wanted, but the viewers would laugh at them because they know the truth.
By not showing it, all we have is “Sick BBC shot beheading scene then cut it” and no one knows the truth in context.
4 September 2014 at 19:46 #31091I wonder if the BBC have thought of getting a court order to get custody of whatever he may have in his possession on the grounds that he is gradually losing it and who knows what he may do next?
4 September 2014 at 19:44 #31090@wolfweed I’ve been following this for the last few days and it just gets crazier and crazier. Would like to have some of what Philip Morris is smoking!
It’s almost as if, now his nemesis Ian Levine is in hospital, he has no one to hold him back and he’s just spewing forth in the weirdest of ways. Not sure I want lots of old episodes (possibly) in this man’s hands.
As @jimthefish noted, it all seems like a child (especially given the spelling and grammar) shouting “Look at me! Look at me!”. His Facebook posts were painful to read.
3 September 2014 at 21:47 #31042@thekrynoidman I love Jenny Lewis. She is responsible for my favourite pop tune – a very sexy pop tune – of the last 10 or so years.
3 September 2014 at 21:41 #31040@fatmaninabox I think you may be right. You are a much smarter man than I. Cheers.
3 September 2014 at 19:44 #31037@wolfweed I think it’s fine. I was going to post something similar TBH as I had seen Rusty blow up the Daleks in the leaked version and was surprised it wasn’t in the final version.
I think it’s interesting to know what choices were made (a bit like the kiss). It may be that they want Rusty back – or it may be for the more boring reason that they just ran out of effects budget (it was an effects heavy episode). We shall wait and see.
1 September 2014 at 00:07 #30862@fonsini You have no place here. Everything you post from now on will be added to the “Trash” pile as soon as we spot it. So there is really no point in posting any more.
This is a forum for discussions about Doctor Who episodes. Whatever is going on in your head, however tenuously related to Doctor Who, should be posted elsewhere. I could find several sites you’d be happier on with a quick internet search.
I’m not going to delete you, because I want to keep a record of you (and your pathetic yahoo email address which was probably registered today). As a website owner I have, unfortunately, an obligation to do that sort of thing as you seem a slightly unhinged individual. Is there a real life Doctor I could call for you?
To all the mods, don’t delete anything posted by @fonsini, just add it to Trash so we have a record of all the posts. Just in case the authorities come calling.
31 August 2014 at 21:01 #30819@vashtanerada Many thanks. Funnily enough, I was thinking my finger now looks a bit like you.
Perhaps we could have a “What Doctor Who monster looks most like Craig’s finger?” competition (for no prizes of course)
31 August 2014 at 20:29 #30809Hi @wolfweed @bluesqueakpip @arbutus @barnable @tennantlove9090 @vashtanerada @phaseshift @fatmaninabox @rob @janetteb @whisht @scaryb
Well, we did it and survived, mostly. That climb that takes up the first minute of the video is probably the most difficult, and at times scary. My friend almost bottled out 50 metres up the cliff face because she didn’t want to walk on a ledge only 6 inches wide with nothing below. Can you imagine! Thankfully there was a climber a lot more experienced than me who talked her through it. There were handholds…
Once on the ridge, apart from the scary drops either side it wasn’t too difficult. We only stood occasionally, prefering to go down the less steep side slightly and edge along using both hands and feet (as they do ocassionally in that video) while some people wandered past us as if on a Sunday stroll.
There were a few other climbs that were a bit scary following the ridge and one with an almost sheer drop below (the one at around 4:40-4:50) which made my legs go a bit jelly, but most of it was just climbing, scrambling and walking until we reached the summit, by which time it was pouring with rain – we were so lucky it held off while we were on the ridge.
The way down was a much easier route, although it was still in the pouring rain. Nearing our destination, the pub (obviously), I started to get a bit carefree and managed to slip for the first time that day on a flat rock. I am now in possession of a fractured finger (there’s a nice little bit of raised bone just under the skin). Just been to A&E and I now have a little plastic hat on it that I have to wear for at least a week. I have a Snowdon war wound!
@phaseshift That story made us both piss ourselves laughing as we drove home today – didn’t have any internet connection the whole time we were there. If that is true that is one amazing story. If it’s from your work-addled mind, it’s still an amazing story.
29 August 2014 at 10:04 #30560Thanks all. @wolfweed Cheers. Will pack the psychic paper so they don’t think I’m the Master.
28 August 2014 at 21:51 #30526Hi all,
I’m leaving you all for a few days in the capable hands of @jimthefish @fatmaninabox and @phaseshift
I have been talked into climbing Snowdon the hard way and we head off tomorrow morning. I shall try not to die.
This is what I will be doing. Keep your fingers crossed for me. If I’m honest I’m a little bit scared.
25 August 2014 at 20:04 #30239@devilishrobby Complete non-issue for me either. When I read the script I thought “Oh, they’re squeezing a sort of kiss in there for the first time”. Then I saw the leaked episode and thought they’d bottled out. Glad they didn’t.
I just thought it interesting that they may have felt they had to play safe in other territories.
Or maybe they didn’t. I’d be interested to hear from anyone elsewhere who didn’t see a kiss. Not for prurient reasons, but because it gives an interesting insight into how Doctor Who is sold around the world.
I didn’t watch much of Torchwood so what @bluesqueakpip says is very interesting, from a behind-the-scenes point of view. I didn’t know that, and it helps put the show in some kind of cultural context around the globe.
25 August 2014 at 19:30 #30227@arbutus and everyone else. The kiss between Jenny and Vastra is interesting because in the leaked version of the episode (headed for South America) they didn’t kiss. Vastra got close to Jenny and then blew oxygen into her mouth from a few inches away.
They obviously shot two versions. I wonder if some countries or regions got the non-kiss version?
25 August 2014 at 18:24 #30208@tardis-pilot So there is obviously no point in debating with you if you can’t even take on board a major plot point from an episode you’ve seen ‘many times’.
I will not be engaging with you again. But enjoy your time here.
25 August 2014 at 17:27 #30202@tardis-pilot Ah, well I’m glad we show up high in the search engines for something 😉
However the rest of your comment can’t be taken seriously as you’ve obviously not been paying attention. The Doctor has a whole new set of regenerations.
When next you attempt to troll, please try harder. It helps if you know what you’re talking about.
25 August 2014 at 14:50 #30185After a busy weekend I’m a bit late to the party. I’m going to be away next weekend as well – terrible timing. Have tried to read all the comments and love all the theories so far. Great to see so many old avatars back on the Forum as well. 🙂
I was one of those who got the script for this early, and watched the version without the effects, and my thoughts then were much as they are now. I think Moffat saw that he had a job to do – to sell this new, older-looking Doctor to the fans.
The new fans (both young and international) have never seen an older Doctor and it probably seemed an onerous task, so he did lay it on a bit thick for an adult audience but it was probably perfect for a younger one. It’s hard to please everyone when you have to write a family show. So yes, Matt turning up to say “He’s still me” may have been pushing it, but looked at through a child’s eyes, it must have been magical and reassuring. Just as it was for Clara. Glad to hear that’s exactly how it went down in the @thommck household.
I can easily imagine this was built around scenes first. The bedroom scene with “How do we change him back?” Vastra questioning Clara, using the veil as a metaphor and emphasising that the Doctor is hundreds of years old. The alley scene with “Who frowned me this face?”. And then the final scene with Matt, and the Doctor exclaiming “You can’t see me, can you?”
All the rest was probably added later as an after thought. But it doesn’t matter much – the key scenes did their job. And did them well.
I have to admit it did take a while to get the ghost of Malcolm Tucker out of my brain – he does, after all, look and sound like him. But I am now sold. Capaldi is going to be great.
I loved the darker elements – leaving Clara behind, “I think I may have to kill you” (what new Doctor could have got away with that?) and the finale where the fourth wall is broken and he stares at the audience – daring us to question him (which is why I chose it for the Home page).
And there was also the soft side. The ‘desperate to be wanted’ side. That final scene in Glasgow almost became a scene from a Richard Curtis movie. I almost expected one of them to say “Is it raining? I hadn’t noticed.” But it worked. We have a Doctor with a hard exterior, who can pretend he has ice in his hearts, but is just like all the rest of us deep down.
As for the story, well, it was a story of regeneration hence my lack of any other detail on the Home page. And if Missy hadn’t placed the ad in the newspaper (if that’s who did) then there wouldn’t have been a story at all.
But it was a fun romp and it did allow more questions about who you really are if you change every part of you. Nice to see a nod to Trigger’s broom, and the double reflection when the mirror tray was held up to the clockwork droid showed the Doctor was talking to himself as much as the droid.
So Missy may be this season’s big bad, and I love all your thoughts so far. I have to say I first thought of the Rani, but I also like the idea of a female Master. Keeping his accent – I thought she was just mirroring the Doctor, but maybe there is more to it.
I also think we’ve not seen the last of the rubbish robots from the dawn of time. I got the feeling, just from the new Doctor not being able to remember the events of Girl in the Fireplace, that there may be more to come, with more repercussions from this episode, or from the earlier one.
23 August 2014 at 08:06 #29925@dantemple Is that the prequel that’s being shown in cinemas before Deep Breath? If so it seems a bit incongruous.
It doesn’t seem to fit between The Time of the Doctor and Deep Breath at all. Or are we back with the War Doctor?
And “You were always a bastard”!!! In Doctor Who?
22 August 2014 at 21:28 #29893@timeloop Regarding leaving Christmas, the 12th Doctor’s first words were, after the kidneys thing:
We’re probably crashing.
Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?So I’d always assumed they’d left Christmas already.
22 August 2014 at 20:13 #29892And just in case you didn’t know this. The Chemical Brothers completely ripped off ‘Tomorrow Never Knows’ when they worked with Noel Gallagher. I know, Noel Gallagher and a Beatles rip-off. Who’dve thunk it? Supposedly the working title was ‘Tomorrow Never Noels’ (so I guess it kinda fits).
22 August 2014 at 20:09 #29891Just because no one has posted it yet. And we have an unknown quantity in a new Doctor.
21 August 2014 at 22:24 #29864Yay @chickenelly I look forward to your array of outfits over the next few months!
20 August 2014 at 22:27 #29848@timeloop =)
Welcome back! I was thinking about you the other day along with a few others who’ve been quiet recently. I was wondering if you were going to join us for the next season. I’m very glad you could make it!
I try to be cool about these things, but I find myself getting very excited despite myself. It’s been a long time coming, but not long now…
20 August 2014 at 16:22 #29839Good news. @danmartinuk says, in his latest post for The Guardian (don’t read if you don’t like anything remotely spoilerish), that :
after the controversial axing of behind-the-scenes show Doctor Who Confidential two years ago, the show is back, sort of. Coming to iPlayer and the red button is Doctor Who Extra, which promises to be “much more than a ‘making of’ show, as we follow Peter Capaldi every step of the way throughout the creation of his first season as the Doctor”.
20 August 2014 at 16:18 #29838New post in The Guardian by @danmartinuk about Deep Breath. Does contain a few minor things that may be considered spoilerish…
19 August 2014 at 18:11 #29820@fatmaninabox @jimthefish We may have to wait until October 18th. That’s the date of the 9th episode – directed by Mackinnon. It’s title is also interesting but not going to post it here. If you want to know episode titles they are here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/New-Series-All-the-Episode-Titles-and-More
Of course he could really be talking about the referendum.
13 August 2014 at 21:44 #29730@purofilion Thanks – have spammed it!
13 August 2014 at 21:25 #29727@migs70 Hello and welcome. He was easily 2000 when he regenerated. This has been asked before. See second last paragraph here:
http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/trailers/trailers-doctor-who-series-8/#comment-2686
13 August 2014 at 21:06 #29725Hi all, I thought I’d do some quick housekeeping before the new series starts.
This is basically to say – if you spot anything funny or if anything doesn’t work please let me know ASAP.
I’ve updated all the plugins – there should be no issues logging in any more – no weird cookies message etc. Hopefully it won’t raise other issues.
Also I’ve managed to get the Visual editor back on blog posts. They made major changes to it with the new version of WordPress.
Not quite sure how to put an “Insert image” on it yet but I’ll work it out eventually.
9 August 2014 at 13:51 #29647@wolfweed Thanks for that.
There’s a great article by our very own @danmartinuk on Doctor Who and its cultural significance on the BFI site.
http://www.bfi.org.uk/features/doctorwho/
Being a web geek I also love the mechanic of the page. It’s beautiful.
7 August 2014 at 22:43 #29618Our hero @danmartinuk has just got to meet his hero.
I need a Doctor pic.twitter.com/p5bpOxpaow
— Daniel Martin (@DanMartinIsNot) August 7, 2014
7 August 2014 at 22:39 #29617The notice board at Tufnell Park Tube Station today. Hooray to whoever did this.
29 July 2014 at 00:38 #29435@purofilion Happy birthday and many happy returns! I had the unfortunate experience of growing up in the 80s. Nevertheless the first record I ever bought (I was denied a record player until I was 15) is, I think, an undeniable classic…
Unfortunately this was the second record I ever bought. It has all the flaws of the 80s but there’s still a place in my heart for it. 🙂
28 July 2014 at 18:43 #29425@fatmaninabox Sounds like a great day. I stared at a screen all day, well except when I was failing to get any good results from a new steadicam we’ve bought to try and improve our videos. It’s really hard!
I checked out the website and it’s pretty good so they probably don’t need me. However it’s also, you may be pleased to hear, built on WordPress. So you can chalk up one transferrable skill that may come in handy 😀
27 July 2014 at 23:29 #29417Following on from @juniperfish
A trailer has finally been revealed for the next installment of Mad Max. Now, I love Mad Max 2. I really do. It’s one of the greatest movies ever. I was pleased to learn that the great Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote many great movies of the seventies and eighties such as Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark and the more personal The Big Chill, thinks so too. There was a great article in The Guardian about it only last week.
Decades later it still comes on like gangbusters, offering a visceral oomph quite unlike anything else.
But production seems to have been troubled, there were re-shoots at the end of 2013, and it’s not coming out until 2015!
However, the trailer looks like a return to what made Mad Max 2 so good. I’m worried, but the trailer gives me hope. I really don’t want this to be disappointing.
27 July 2014 at 01:25 #29398@fatmaninabox Been meaning to congratulate you. So…, many congratulations!
If I can help in any way am happy to. You’ve been a fantastic support here. Just for example, if they have a terrible website, or if they don’t have one at all, I can do them one based on WordPress (for free to you, Sir) and, of course, you’ll be the only one who really knows how to update it. Full time job is probably a shoo-in after that.
I do mean it. Best of luck my friend 😉
27 July 2014 at 01:14 #29396Tunnock’s teacakes sales ‘soar’
They say it has something to do with the games. I think people read here that it may be the new Doctor’s snack of choice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28499415
25 July 2014 at 23:44 #29336@juniperfish While Tunnock’s Tea Cakes may have invaded the Commonwealth Games Opening Ceremony, I think a Tunnock’s Caramel Wafer would be my choice. I do get through about one a week, just to make me feel Scottish again.
25 July 2014 at 22:33 #2933025 July 2014 at 20:51 #29319I don’t know… I get a bit busy for a few days (company had their AGM yesterday) and the whole site goes to pot 🙂
Fellow mods!!!!!!!!!!
On The Sofa is for Doctor Who chat – we have a pub for everything else. What’s all this Game of Thrones stuff? I should mod the lot of you – or cut off your heads!
Seriously though – do we need a Game of Thrones thread? – Happy to start one. Am a fan as well. Might have to make it like the Spoiler thread though, so nothing shows up in Activity.
This makes me laugh a lot as, like @whisht, I haven’t read the books and kinda reflects my viewing experience.
Massive SPOILER alert (but they put that in the video anyway). If you haven’t watched to the end of Season 3 go no further. If you have I think you’ll enjoy.
21 July 2014 at 15:52 #29224It seems it may not just the BBC that are terrible at keeping secrets. It may help Steven Moffat sleep easier to know JJ Abrams has the same problems. The plot of the new Star Wars movie may have been leaked (although is unconfirmed so could be a fake).
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jul/21/star-wars-episode-7-plot-details-suffer-unconfirmed-leak
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