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11 October 2017 at 12:16 #62107
@craig @hiker @thane15 @bluesqueakpip Thanks for the support.
I already try to keep up with those shows you mentioned Craig — I’ve followed some of them for years now — but it’s getting harder because I work nights and Mom notices if I have used the On Demand system on our cable boxes to catch up during the day. She says I “better stop watching” those shows; she feels all they do is tear down the good people trying to keep our country safe and strong. 🙁 At least online viewing is an option (it’s how I keep up with John Oliver’s show).
Now I’m barely on the right side of 40 at this point, but that’s the kind of situation it is living with one’s parents. I feel like I’m walking on eggshells with my mother these days, and trying not to show my upset when she goes on a rant about, say, people taking a knee for problems that don’t exist. I’m really scared she’ll find out that Who and its cast and crew aren’t exactly pro-Trump, because that will just trigger another rant. She’s upset enough about Jodie Whittaker’s casting, seeing it as a P.C. sop.
This also gets in the way of trying to seek therapy. Since Mom doesn’t think my anxieties about the world are valid she would not support me trying to seek therapy for them, and I have no friends living in town who could pick up the slack for me as far as transportation goes. No low-cost public transportation either.
I’m not sure how to find common ground with my mother. I don’t read/watch Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter, Dinesh d’Souza, Fox News, etc. I find their views too repellent. On the other side of the coin she thinks Democrats are evil, anybody who complains about police brutality, white nationalism, the refugee crisis, Islamophobia, etc. are whiners, those who try to help them (i.e. Angela Merkel) are just inviting trouble and terrorism, and that Trump was the best choice for our country and has been the victim of a witch hunt by the media and just about everybody else. What should I do? I’ve tried to understand her point of view, but I simply can’t agree with it.
I’ve tried to be inspired by the Twelfth Doctor’s struggles, but he didn’t get much for being kind in this year’s finale…so it’s hard to argue why we should be kind instead of trying to win! 😉
Thanks again, and any other comments are welcome.
10 October 2017 at 18:01 #62091Hello out there. I’ve been feeling some weariness of late. My personal life is in pretty good shape, but here in the U.S. of A. it’s been exhausting trying to deal with the news cycle. Nothing but disasters, political bickering, and even sports and entertainment have become dragged down in the mire. They say “look for the people who are helping” at times like these, but I’m not seeing a lot of that. 🙁 I’m not sure how to cope at this point. I don’t have the same socio-political views as my loved ones, so I can’t turn to them, and I feel my closest online penpals shouldn’t be weighed down overmuch. Any suggestions for how to cope? I don’t want to just shut out the “real world”…thanks in advance.
15 September 2017 at 02:20 #61912@thane15 A quick definition for space opera is: grandiose, epic sci-fi/fantasies along the lines of John Carter of Mars, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. The most famous contemporary one is the Star Wars saga. 🙂
14 September 2017 at 10:17 #61907I notice that the U.K. papers seem to have interpreted the Moff’s comments as “the Xmas show will be grim” and/or “the Twelfth Doctor goes bad is the plot”. Why the assumption that he was talking about the Twelfth Doctor? He’s had his dark nights of the soul already and definitely been proven good! Or is this just more click bait misinterpretation? 😉
13 September 2017 at 19:01 #61904@wolfweed Hmmm…I notice this seems to contradict the promise that “Twice Upon a Time” would be an uplifting, funny story after all the drama of “The Doctor Falls”. But if he’s referring to the special’s villain(s) — the identity of which, IIRC (I haven’t been keeping up with spoilers since the finale and only saw the trailer for “Twice”) still hasn’t been revealed — then it’s not so contradictory. Maybe the villain will be played more for comedy?
Given that it’s more likely than not the special will involve a pre-established villain, which one will it be? It can’t be the Cybermen after the Series 10 finale spent that penny, and there’s been confirmation that Missy won’t turn up. Introducing the next Master incarnation so soon would probably have fans crying foul.
That leaves:
- The Daleks and possibly Davros. We never did find out what became of them after “The Witch’s Familiar”, and it’s been a loooooong time since then.
- The Valeyard, if only because lots of fans still seem to want to see him. Of course, they’re old-school fans, with revival-specific viewers seeming to have little or no idea who he was.
- Rassilon, though I don’t think Titan Comics would have been allowed to use him in Supremacy of the Cybermen if Moffat and co. had longer-term plans for him. Or,
- The Time Lords in general, given their dirty deeds in Series 9.
That said, I think Moffat’s wrong about evil = irrational in general. Few things are easier for humans, at least, to rationalize than cruel and evil deeds. They turn up in the news every day. Kindness is what is seen as irrational now…
3 September 2017 at 14:09 #61829@ichabod Yeah, the Monks trilogy seemed ill-fated by the fates. Moffat only had the onscreen writing credits on “Extremis” (solo) and “Pyramid at the End of the World” (with Harness), the latter being the one he was working on at his mum’s hospital bedside. (sniffle) “Pyramid”, of course, wound up muddling its point by having so many characters making foolish decisions, which undercut its attempt to chide the Doctor for hubris (because he was the scary handsome genius he said he was despite his mistakes when compared to everyone else). That could easily have been addressed with more revisions. Moffat doesn’t have a credit on “Lie of the Land” but had he the time, I wouldn’t have been surprised to see him work enough on Whitehouse’s script to refine it and get a co-writing credit, if only because it involved Missy. The finished “Lie” ran a few minutes shorter than standard episode length, time that could have been used to better resolve stuff like the Doctor’s “test”.
Getting back to this episode though…much as I enjoyed it, there are a few points I don’t think have been fully explained elsewhere, so I’ll ask them here.
- If the Doctor is going to be kind, why not negotiate peace between the Cybermen and uncoverted Mondasians instead of blowing the former to high heaven, or at least find a nonviolent means of conflict resolution? The Cybermen did just want to live.
- Why is the Doctor so pessimistic about saving Bill from Cyber-fate two weeks on? That’s two weeks for him to think over possible solutions to the problem after he makes his initial promise. And the Whoniverse has a lot of potential options available, once they get back to the TARDIS. The nanotech from “The Empty Child”/”The Doctor Dances” for instance, which would have been a great bookend for Moffat’s era as a Who-writer.
- Also, there’s the option of using all that regeneration energy he’s trying to hold back…two birds, one stone! Seems silly not to explain why. If he’d use it on Davros…
Anyhoo, I do want the Xmas show to be cheerful, but how can Twelve’s final end be cheerful if he has to give up his beautiful self? Seems the only way that can happen is if he gets a BIG reward beforehand, something to enjoy in the here and now.
(Some of this broodiness on my part comes from the rough times I’ve witnessed in the U.S. since this finale aired. Kindness to those in need is not in vogue right now because there’s no real gain in it — it just seems to ask for more trouble — and fighting injustice just gets people tarred as no better than the unjust…)
31 August 2017 at 18:51 #61818Looking at the above, I think I was being a bit too gloomy about Twelve’s character arc. Still, I never got the sense that offscreen he had a lot of friends he frequently touched base with, especially in Series 10. I know that “Happy people make for boring television”, but if there are two things I would have liked to see (more) of in Twelve’s tenure, they were 1) new alien worlds explored at length and 2) fun adventures where the stakes and body counts weren’t high and the endings sunshiny. It frustrated me that (especially in Series 8 and 9) we were teased with wonderful exotic places and fun adventures that the Doctor and his companions were having but never got to see them. They would have been a nice break from all the drama. 😉
Edit: Come to think of it, one thing I liked about “The Lie of the Land” was its positivity once the first third had been worked through. But apparently, looking at other sites, it’s ranked down at/near the bottom of Series 10. Wonder why that is? Are people just too angsty these days? 😉
31 August 2017 at 16:22 #61817@missy I’m going with the “enough is enough” take on Twelve’s angst at the moment. He never had a happy season finale — he always ended up alone — and on top of that, as far as he knows he lost both female companions (plus River), couldn’t redeem Missy, and only did so much for the solar farmers. And since he never had a lot of close friends otherwise, he had a very lonesome life in many ways.
I’m hoping that the Christmas special finds a way to give him a miracle so he can truly live happily ever after. A friend of mine had hoped that “The Doctor Falls” would turn out to be a joyful Everybody Lives story, to contrast with his previous two finales cheating him out of the happiness he earned. Well, this wasn’t it, but maybe the Christmas special can be?
28 August 2017 at 15:54 #61813Just got back last night from Wizard World Chicago. It was a bit hit and miss — but it wasn’t all the organizers’ fault.
Sadly, David Tennant could not make the show as planned. He was THE big get this year, along with four other Who-related actors, but an immediate family member’s illness forced him to cancel the day before he was going to arrive. But he sent a video message to apologize, and WW is refunding everyone who had ticket packages, autograph reservations, etc. related to him. We can even have free admission to next year’s show for our trouble.
John Barrowman (who frequently shows up to this one as Chicago is his home turf), Catherine Tate, Alex Kingston and Jenna Coleman all showed up as planned. I got photos with the ladies plus Coleman’s autograph! 🙂 The ladies had to share one discussion panel, but it was a good one. My dad saw the Barrowman panel and said it was a good one, as per usual with Barrowman. (I saw last year’s and got a photo with him then.) The downside was the Barrowman panel overlapped with a meetup for all the Who-related cosplayers, so the latter wasn’t as well-attended as it could have been. Odd scheduling there.
There’s still not a lot of Artist Alley and general merchandise specific to Doctors/companions who aren’t Ten or Eleven, but there was more Twelve-related stuff this year. And for the first time at WW since I started attending in 2015, I saw people dressed as Twelve. (Last year, I was the only Twelve cosplayer.) Bill Potts had a few cosplays, and there were even some Thirteens!
28 August 2017 at 15:33 #61812@craig Last year, the 500th issue of Doctor Who Magazine featured the one-off comic “The Stockbridge Showdown”, in which the Twelfth Doctor teamed up with most of the comic-specific companions the magazine has featured over the years to stop a corrupt intergalactic businessman from taking control of the “Galactic Broadcasting Corporation”, or GBC for short. 😀
21 August 2017 at 18:03 #61767I’m surprised the complete Series 10 is coming out so soon in the U.S. because 1) the Beeb has really dragged their heels on the American release of Series 10 Part 2, which comes out Sept. 10 here — I have a friend who doesn’t have BBC America and I can’t chat with him about anything past “Extremis” — and 2) I thought they would wait until after “Twice Upon a Time” aired so it would truly be complete, given how they handled the Complete Series 9 set. (I am assuming this set includes “The Return of Doctor Mysterio”.)
On the other hand, does this mean “Twice Upon a Time” will be so big a deal it will require/warrant an elaborate standalone release the way “The Day of the Doctor” did rather than just being part of a box set? Could it be feature length, to bookend “Deep Breath”? So many possibilities! 😀
16 August 2017 at 18:13 #61729@thebetween Check out tinyrebelgames.com . 🙂
13 August 2017 at 10:39 #61705@thebetween I like the mobile game Doctor Who Legacy a lot, have you considered that? 🙂
13 August 2017 at 10:38 #61704Anyone in or near Chicago, IL should know that the upcoming Wizard World convention (Aug.24-27) will be very Who-focused. David Tennant, Catherine Tate, Alex Kingston, Jenna Coleman and John Barrowman will all attend on Saturday and Sunday. 🙂 WW is a great general-interest media convention anytime (I’ve attended the last two, living a few hours downstate as I do).
29 July 2017 at 20:13 #61539Dealing with the no-PC blues right now. Wouldn’t take a Windows 10 automatic update and so it’s off to the shop come Monday, second time in less than a year. 🙁 I still have my tablet but it’s easier to chat on a PC! 😉
I’ve been avoiding Xmas spoilers, so I need to find another way to cheer up…
25 July 2017 at 14:18 #61415I’d say it’s not that he’s forgotten everything he’d learned — he certainly remembers what pudding-brains we can be, and scorns us for it — but that he seems cut off from the more positive understandings that 11 had gained. Maybe that’s what a completely unexpected and wrenching regeneration can do to a TL.
Yeah, he “took a level in cynic” at the start, as they say over at TVTropes — about everything, even and especially himself. He doesn’t think storybook heroes exist in the world, not even him! He just wants to get things done and dispense with the pleasantries. I can empathize with that. When I get hyperfocused on what I’m doing, especially if it’s important stuff, I get in a “Go Away Humans” mood too! And he is doing very important things most of the time! 😀 But it’s important to be soft too, even though it means risking being hurt.
And @drben I agree that he’s fallen into a very depressive mood thanks to recent events, which only exacerbates the broodiness he’s felt from the start, being “a clerical error” and all. I see a lot of parallels in Twelve to autism as well, being an Aspie myself — feeling things deeply, the need to tamp down rawer emotions just to function properly and not scare off or anger others, for instance, and just seeing things in a different way than others, which can be very problematic when those things are matters of life and death.
I thought of this the other day about Twelve’s character development (and wrote a poem about it over at Tumblr): He was born in Winter’s icy thrall, thawed in the warm of Spring beneath the Green (“In the Forest of the Night”), became the raging Summer storm, and finally ripened and fell with the farmyard apples of Autumn…
23 July 2017 at 18:55 #61324@blenkinsopthebrave That isn’t a bad idea actually. Curious things those films. (In the U.S., the digital subchannel Comet, which has dredged up a lot of old sci-fi/fantasy/horror B-movies and the odd A-list title, is running both of those films this month.)
23 July 2017 at 17:55 #61320@bluesqueakpip Or a Clara splinter? 😉 This sounds like a stuffed show in any case!
@blenkinsopthebrave Actually a meta conceit wouldn’t be out of the question either.
23 July 2017 at 16:27 #61314According to Capaldi, the Gatiss character is “a resonant echo in the whole Doctor Who story.”
It could be the Valeyard, but that doesn’t really dovetail with this episode being promised as a hopeful, funny heartwarmer. I doubt it’s another incarnation of Rassilon or the Master either…any other guesses?
22 July 2017 at 09:51 #61284I think the defining characteristic of Twelve is his rawness of emotion, even when it’s concealed behind practicality and frustration (as it is in Series 8; I still have some stuff to catch up on three by year’s end). Some of which are emotions too! 😉
Capaldi/Twelve is always a pleasure to watch even in weaker scripts (for me exhibit A of that is the Monks arc post-“Extremis”), or even as the Doctor has a bad time if it. I give the edge to Series 10 as my favorite season for its more satisfying ending (though of course there’s still one more to go). I don’t think I can add much else that hasn’t been said more eloquently…
Well, I am struck by the depths of his love and kindness for others (especially many antagonists) throughout his run. Even if he didn’t always express it in human and or “nice” ways…or the crisis at hand precluded reassurance that might prove false anyway…I got the sense of someone who cared about others and how others saw him, who didn’t ask to be loved even though he needed love, and reassurance, himself. He found it anyway, and lost it too. It will be interesting to see where he goes on this last journey.
19 July 2017 at 18:52 #61116@mirime I like your attitude with toys! 🙂 Yes, the concept of the pink and blue aisles is a relatively recent creation, dating back to the 1980s. Like you I also played with boy toys as a kid, though I had to borrow them from my brother.
Also, as far as the Doctor having to explain her new form, she can just say “A thing happened” too. Worked for Twelve! 😉
18 July 2017 at 17:33 #61023@ichabod Glad to hear you approve! 😉 Your comments are always so eloquent.
@midnight was one of the few U.S. shows to discuss the news and Chris Hardwick, the panelists, and the audience cheered the choice and, in their usual saucy way, pooh-poohed the detractors (highlighting the “complaints as episode titles” meme). It cheered me up. But it is important to be kind, as the Doctor would have it. S/he is a professor too after all, with much to teach. 🙂
16 July 2017 at 20:49 #6081316 July 2017 at 17:41 #6078116 July 2017 at 17:11 #60772@mirime I feel like you do — Capaldi was so special a more conventional pick wouldn’t have excited me. But this opens up fresh possibilities and potential, and it soothes the transition.
16 July 2017 at 17:00 #60765I’m cool with this. She definitely looks like a Doctor to me! 😉 Really, that intro clip was lovely. Best wishes and break a leg!
14 July 2017 at 19:33 #60628@craig Well, that’s a good point too. But still, couldn’t they give the end of the Capaldi era a little more breathing room like they did for Ten and Eleven? He’s not getting any extra specials after all, just the Christmas show; he never got a big “Day of the Doctor”-style adventure. Unless this Christmas show is feature-length or something…
14 July 2017 at 19:26 #60625An interesting complaint being raised over at Tumblr — couldn’t the Beeb have waited until after the panel at next week’s San Diego Comic Con that’s being framed as a “farewell tour” of sorts for Capaldi, Moffat, and co. to announce Thirteen? Which would have made more sense. Now Capaldi, Moffat, etc. will have to field a bunch of questions about the next guy or gal instead of Twelve and his era. That does seem rather mean to Capaldi at least, as if the powers that be are in a hurry to rush him off so the new guy or gal can get the spotlight ASAP. And if the choice turns out to be “controversial” this matter will be even worse.
14 July 2017 at 19:20 #60624The Mary Sue website has this interesting theory as part of an article about the upcoming Thirteenth Doctor announcement (The Mary Sue article):
Perhaps Twelve has already regenerated but not realized it yet, due to having developed a perception filter like Bill did. Just as she didn’t see herself as a Cyberman and had to see her reflection in a mirror to begin realizing it, he can’t see himself as Thirteen, but will be faced with the realization as part of the Christmas show.
This is a neat idea, but it doesn’t explain why he hasn’t already lost Twelve’s personality and fallen into regeneration sickness. And given that previous Doctors, no matter how much they didn’t want to change (Two, Ten) weren’t able to keep their personalities even temporarily once they regenerated, why would Twelve be that much stronger? (hmmm)
14 July 2017 at 18:38 #60613The ones with Bill include some of the stronger ones, specifically “The Shining Man” and “Plague City”. Best of the Clara-era ones are “The Blood Cell” and “Silhouette”.
Also, the recent short story anthologies like “Time Lord Fairy Tales” and “Twelve Doctors of Christmas” are fun. And if you haven’t read Holly Black’s short story “Lights Out” yet, track it down!
14 July 2017 at 18:32 #60610@craig (le sigh). Well, hopefully this won’t overshadow Capaldi’s finale. Of course his announcement didn’t overshadow Smith’s finale, but at the same time he got the 50th special and such to keep him paramount in the final months…otherwise I’ll have to work harder to keep the spirit alive! 😉
14 July 2017 at 16:01 #6060412 July 2017 at 18:39 #60564@craig I like your thinking. Too often pop culture these days isn’t living in the moment; it’s all teaser this and preview that. Let’s enjoy what we have in the here and now, and anticipate things one at a time. 😉
9 July 2017 at 09:51 #60488@janetteb Frankly your idea sounds like much more fun, I would go ahead and try it! 😀
9 July 2017 at 09:37 #60487@janetteb Pretty cool idea. IIRC, the Big Finish audios did something like that in the fourth and last season of the New Eighth Doctor Adventures line, with that Doctor reuniting with an older Susan and later taking on her son Alex as a companion. It…didn’t end well, alas, in “To the Death”, that line’s finale.
6 July 2017 at 18:48 #60437@blenkinsopthebrave Well put, I think. And a very sweet moment it is. 🙂
6 July 2017 at 16:08 #60435@nick wrote:
Is the Doctor therefore saying that he is going to this act of self sacrifice without being able to give himself even the reward that comes from the knowledge that he is saving the level 507 survivors, bitter sweet though that must be ?
It sure sounds like it to me, about as “pure” a sacrifice in extremis as he can make. At the very least it doesn’t gain him any advantage, and he even admitted earlier he doesn’t even know how much time he’s bought the farmers. But the point is that it’s the kindest thing he can do under the circumstances, and therefore the right choice, and therefore the one he will take. (sniffle)
4 July 2017 at 17:25 #60360@jimthefish It could have been both the beating and the Cybermen zapping him on the roof that started wearing him down, and then the blast to the hearts serving as a “finishing move.” This could be because he knew he couldn’t regenerate after the hospital because dealing with that would make things harder for everyone else. After he gets blasted in the woods, he knows he doesn’t have to hold back anymore because the farmers are safe, but since he would rather go to his final rest he does. It is pretty fuzzy.
4 July 2017 at 15:27 #60356@janetteb Yeah, what was up with the TARDIS can only be one of those riddles for the ages. Part of the mystique…. 😉
4 July 2017 at 11:55 #60345@jimthefish I agree that the Valeyard probably will never be revisited on screen and instead remain left to Big Finish to play with. The contemporary series has done interesting things with the Doctor’s darker aspects as it is, so the Valeyard would be redundant. And yes @tardigrade, we have to acknowledge the War Doctor! 🙂
3 July 2017 at 15:43 #60279@nick Yeah, there was definitely a Disney-esque feel to Bill and Heather’s reunion — and from there the Doctor coming back around, however reluctantly. I do wish the former had had more setup, but on the whole I think it worked, and so did the Doctor’s revival.
It’s funny to see that happen with Twelve specifically because in my fanfic “What You Hold in Your Hand” I did a lot of playing with the differences and similarities of the Doctor’s world and the Disney fairy tale world, and fairy tales in general. The Twelfth Doctor is a sort of Beast figure really — especially his character evolution from someone gruff and socially awkward and scary to openly compassionate. I think he always had that tenderness inside him, but it took a while to show because emotional intimacy is not an easy thing, especially when the emotions are very intense.
I cannot blame him for his reluctance to change. I myself would rather have a broody Beast than risk the possibility of a bland Prince Charming! The nice thing about Doctor Who is that blandness is never in the cards for him (or her?). 😉
3 July 2017 at 13:56 #60265@wolfweed A shame about the tech difficulties in Scotland. Here in the U.S. BBC America got in online backlash trouble for scheduling the episode a half hour earlier than usual so as not to preempt Orphan Black which meant some people missed the opening third.
3 July 2017 at 02:15 #60238@blenkinsopthebrave Nothing wrong with being a hopeless romantic. I happen to be one myself, always trying to tamp down my idealism. Nice to see a story that says it’s better not to. 😉
@ollie14 The Doctor did almost die for good thanks to blowing up the floor. Bill and Heather take him back to the TARDIS so his final resting place can be a good one. But Bill’s tears re-spark his ability to regenerate — because “Where there’s tears, there’s hope.” Besides, the universe just needs him too badly. 😉
2 July 2017 at 17:43 #60210@nick What does feel epic enough indeed? All things considered, I think one of the best things about the ending of this episode is that Christmas might go in an epic direction, or something smaller and more personal…we just have to wait and see.
2 July 2017 at 10:45 #60187Oh — while I was annoyed by BBC America’s ad breaks and Comcast continuing to cut off recordings before the show actually ends (had to DVR “Orphan Black” to catch the full ending), it was sweet to show that deleted scene from “The Pilot”.
2 July 2017 at 10:42 #60186My heart is so full right now I wish I had another! 😀
I was one of those who figured Heather would be the means of saving Bill, and it was beautiful how it was handled. And the sweet sorrow that the Doctor doesn’t know…there was such tenderness in his interactions with Cyber!Bill. I wonder…Maybe he has a perception filter too, for those he cares about? Like with old Clara in “Last Christmas “? Worth thinking.
Poor old Missy — evil truly does destroy itself in the end. Until next time… 😉
I didn’t expect Nardole to get a bittersweet end, but he earned it. I wish him and Hazlan the best.
The Twelfth Doctor doesn’t want to go; he’s so tired, and tired of changing….If I had as noble a soul as he showed tonight…I wouldn’t want to change either. I’m going to miss him even more now…
…when the time comes that is. Not since Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon will a meeting of Grumpy Old Men be so anticipated! 😉
And maybe Twelve will get his stars after all…
1 July 2017 at 19:31 #60111@janetteb. I never got the idea of hate watching either. I think it was coined to refer to fascinatingly bad shows. First one I remember that referred to as that was “Smash”, an NBC musical drama from about 5 years ago.
@ichabod Yeah, I wouldn’t want to give up green growing things either. We used to have a lot of trees around our house, but now there’s just the one…
1 July 2017 at 14:15 #60093@thane15 Oh, I understand what you mean. That’s what I meant when I said “Face the Raven” worked for me emotionally; in terms of working emotionally and thematically as the climax of Clara’s story/character arc, it did its job well, even if the details as to how the shade worked weren’t as clear as they might have been. And the season did a good job of foreshadowing it for that matter.
1 July 2017 at 13:56 #600901 July 2017 at 13:00 #60087@bluesqueakpip That’s a pretty thoughtful comparison and I think you’re on to something. It really frustrated me that there wasn’t a more fleshed-out explanation as to why the Doctor was helpless in “Face the Raven” (why he couldn’t stop the shade, or revive Clara given he’d shared regeneration energy with Davros and figured out how to save Me…albeit with “side effects”!). The story did work emotionally for me, but it did seem contrived.
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