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2 November 2013 at 13:18 #19874
<peers nervously round the door and notes with relief that @craig is back as Ming (MtM would smoosh Nosferatu 😈 ) > All hail the Emperor! (The header is perfect btw, as is your description of it seeming like the stars have gone out this week 🙁 )
And welcome back @jamesunderscore. I like your idea of a tribute but am a bit confused how it would work. Let’s keep bonkers theorising in his honour 😉
31 October 2013 at 10:45 #19689Thank you for the apology. We don’t mean to be rude but I hope you understand how incongruous your post seemed the other night, when all the other posts were grieving our lost member. There are a lot of people here who are hurting at the moment. It’s like any other community, you need to go a bit slowly to get the tone of it right if you want to fit in. For most of us the acquiring isn’t important, it’s the ideas that come from those acquisitions. I would suggest that you give it a few days, then maybe come back with a short post about your thoughts on some of the BG Who that you’ve been watching. (And I remember your original conversation with HTPBDET – it’s in his memory that I am responding with I hope, encouragement. But please don’t expect us to have our usual energy right now).
31 October 2013 at 10:33 #19687The black is a lovely touch. Thank you. (I thought it still had the stars, then realised it was just dust on my screen!)
30 October 2013 at 18:54 #19595He wondered whether Mr Moffat was tricking us
Ha! I think that is highly likely!
However, I tend to agree with @blenkinsopthebrave‘s comment –
“He’s me. There’s only me here, that’s the point”…and…”I said he was me. I never said he was the Doctor
Combining the two is interesting tho, the idea that Hurt has the title originally but it’s his failure to live up to it that sets our Doctor off on his travels – trying to make up for the perceived sins of the “father”.
I still like the idea (The Trinity Theory) that in order to move forward, that Eleven (presumably with the help of Ten, and possibly other previous incarnations in whatever form) has to come to terms with being related to HurtDr, and somehow bring him back into the fold. That in order to move on, Eleven has to understand why, and then forgive his predecessor. Perhaps by the 3 of them merging into one before regenerating into Capaldi (with possibly loads of spare regenerations as a by-product).
Re what the HurtDr did that was so unforgiveable – I think he was someone who acted out of expediency rather than principle. Choosing the lesser of 2 evils in order to bring about a good. eg trading with the Daleks, or as @bluesqueakpip‘s theory condoning actions which resulted in the loss of Gallifrey’s children.
“What I did was without choice, in the name of peace and sanity” (whose sanity? his own? or for a more general sanity?)
30 October 2013 at 18:15 #19593Thanks for the radio 4 broadcast news (and your recent fascinating blog about the Target books). I used to have Doctor Who and the Daleks (now lost in the mists of time, after many house moves). It was the only one I owned (got a few more out the library) but I read it cover to cover till it disintegrated. Came across a copy for sale on ebay recently (starting at £14!) – the cover pic jumped out at me like a very old friend. (You’re right when you complimented them on those early covers)
30 October 2013 at 13:33 #19583@blenkinsopthebrave I was thinking very much the same thing*. I suspect @htpbdet‘d be very grumpy if he thought he’d brought the bonkers theorising to a standstill. But there’s not many who could. So he’ll just have to be patient!
*but not about you being disrespectful
30 October 2013 at 13:14 #19580@Shazzbot
Thanks for keeping us posted, and glad this Forum, which seemed to be a special place for @htpbdet, was able (in its wibbly wobbly way) to contribute to his wake. (Would have preferred if it had been at any other occasion tho).
Re @pedant‘s comment
it would be a delight to put a real name to the stubborn, perfectionist, discursive , thoughtful and deeply, deeply romantic enigma that was @htpbdet, so that a proper toast can be raised.
It would, but I think that’s completely up to his family. But it’s worth remembering that for us – and ONLY us – he was determinedly the extremely unpronouncable HTPBDET (paraphrasing – it’s the names that we choose for ourselves that are important, not the ones we are given)
Oh my giddy aunt indeed 🙂
PS @whohar you made me laugh
30 October 2013 at 10:50 #19570😥
29 October 2013 at 22:08 #19550Thanks everyone for beautiful thoughts, expressed much more eloquently than I can. @whisht I found your thoughts about this forum very moving, thank you. Not sure about being able to reconstruct him from the space @htpbdet left behind, but if you can, why not go out and look at the stars, and look for a distant crazy blue box.
29 October 2013 at 13:40 #19519A couple more thoughts on the subject of @htpbdet –
I am really proud to have been a small part of the creation of this site, which provided him with both the inspiration and the sense of security to create his historical and very personal blogs about growing up with the Doctor. The rest of our ramblings may never amount to more than a heap of beans but his writing was very special and struck a chord in many of us. I believe this is the only place on the web, and possibly in real life also, where he would have felt comfortable enough to share those thoughts.
I like to think our friend is just off on a trip round the universe in an old blue box and will be back around some day, if the navigation circuits ever get sorted or the TARDIS just thinks the time is right.
29 October 2013 at 12:46 #19516Just logged in and the first thing I see is the incredibly sad news about @htpbdet. Gutted. Am writing this through tears for someone, who although we never actually met, I felt I knew well and looked forward to “meeting” on these boards. As others have said above, he was the best of us.
Lou Reed said – “There’s a bit of magic in everything. And then some loss to even things out”
Right now it feels like there’s much too much loss and not nearly enough magic. My thoughts and condolences go out to his wonderful family, of whom he was so intensely proud. Thank you to them for keeping this small corner updated with his progress, thoughts and the sad news. Am so glad he got to see his fledgeling married and happy (all the best to you both), and also glad he got to see those 2 classic Troughton tales just found – I suspect that meant even more to him than seeing the actual 50th programme, enough to know that the show had reached 50. (I will be thinking of you should any more turn up, and watch them in your honour).
My fellow Troughton-er, I will miss you, but hope you are now at peace and with your loved ones. And that blue box has finally come for you. You will sleep in our heads and your spirit will live on in this small corner of the Whoniverse.
29 October 2013 at 00:27 #19501And hi to @nightskyfadingred
You’re very welcome to clock-watch with us. And please feel free to add your theories and thoughts to the relevant blogs. Be warned though – this place has some strange time-distorting properties 😉
29 October 2013 at 00:22 #19500But did you ‘prise off’ a bit off the TARDIS?
Sadly no, but I may have left some skin and fingernails embedded in it when they had to prise me off and persuade me that I REALLY couldn’t move in 😉
Be thankful they didn’t abduct or retcon you when you brought up the hatstand!
Er… I don’t FEEL any different… but then you wouldn’t, would you?!
29 October 2013 at 00:18 #19499Sorry to hear your local cinema seems to be cashing in. (Write and complain and see what they say). Like @bluesqueakpip I booked with Cineworld – the site even interrupted the booking process to offer me a discount for signing up with them (for free). Glad to hear at least 2 of your family are enlightened! The other 2 will be kicking themselves by the day after.
28 October 2013 at 23:53 #19498@fatmaninabox @Shazzbot
Ditto from me.
And the quote from Lou – been much-quoted today – “There’s a bit of magic in everything. And then some loss to even things out.” (Tho sometimes the losses seem to overcompensate a bit)
28 October 2013 at 11:57 #19451@fatmaninabox You’re right! it’s funny tho – to my ears the VU version still sounds genuinely “fresh”, atmospheric and “out there”. the more recent cover sounds more dated (but thanks for posting, good to hear it)
For @craig As White Light/White Heat is basically an acid trip – I think that fits in pretty well with Dr Who and a site for bonkers theorising! Dedicated to the white light/white heat of the time vortex –
28 October 2013 at 10:51 #19448@wolfweed Nice screengrab – it’s really difficult to work it out, with the distortion on the globe, but it’s not Clara and it doesn’t look like SJ. And it does look a bit like CAF
@whohar re “most” – you mis-credited my theory, so I’m not going to spoil you, haha
I had a bonkers notion that Moffat was planning to reveal that TL’s (or some of them) had transformed into Angels (somehow).
Not sure if that’s come up before, maybe from your good self, but it’s an intriguing idea. (Doesn’t need to be revealed now or any time soon)
It would be nice but there are enough strange theories and loose ends around as it is.
Nah! You can never have too many bonkers theories on the go, and as I said above, it could sit on the back burner for a while yet.
28 October 2013 at 10:06 #19447@wolfweed @Shazzbot @phaseshift @jimthefish @craig @bluesqueakpip @juniperfish @janetteb @timeloop @blenkinsopthebrave and anyone else –
Re TARDIS set tour – I managed to prise off a tiny bit of info about who’s been in filming recently. It may be known already and I missed it, but it may be very slightly spoilery so I’m not posting it on here. PM me If you want to know 😉
28 October 2013 at 10:03 #19446Quick update re my TARDIS (actual set) tour – @wolfweed I def owe you several pints for the early heads-up on that.
Can’t recommend it highly enough – if you’re a DW fan in Cardiff – don’t miss it. In fact it’s worth a trip to Cardiff just to visit the set. Put it this way – I can die happy now!! It’s so beautifully made and detailed – a work of art!
Some stats n things –
It took 6 months to plan it and 3 months to build.
It really is as you see it on screen, a fully enclosed 360 deg set – it feels like walking into the real thing… well it is, of course; They’re very proud of that 360 deg tracking shot when Clara first goes into it (The Snowmen); there’s the spot from NotD where Clara starts to remember things from JttCotT (underneath, next to the TARDIS’s plumbing), and there’s a couple of little areas they haven’t used yet.
@wolfweed – according to the tour guides (people who work on the show) – the central column doesn’t move because they wanted the canopy more, and it wasn’t possible (technically and aesthetically) to do both (as opposed to lack of dosh).
The hatstand – they admitted there wasn’t one, but wouldn’t be drawn on whether it would reappear haha.
The (beautiful) brand new custom-built state of the art studios that the BBC now own at Cardiff docks were created as a direct result of Doctor Who showing what could be done in Cardiff – inc all the jobs for cast, crew, ancilliary and freelance staff. There is a great deal of pride in what DW has helped them achieve, and RTD is very much a local hero.
And lastly, the DW team seems to be a genuinely happy crew, inc the stars.
28 October 2013 at 09:39 #1944428 October 2013 at 09:33 #19443@fatmaninabox – I’m with you on the smell and feel of vinyl – not to mention the joys of the gatefold sleeve (of which The Velvet Underground & Nico is a great example – if you ever come across a copy of the original “Banana” sleeve – snap it up!) I spent 2 years trying to track down a copy of White Light White Heat back in the 70s. (and the excitement of discovering that the vocals for The Gift were all on 1 channel – so if you turned down the left speaker you could (finally) make out the words of whole dark tale!).
Now you can google and thousands of options come up, of things you’d never have found in 1m years way back then. Both have their attractions, but I must admit there was something great about tracking down an obscure (but often legendary) indie record shop in a dark corner of a new town and rummaging thorught hteir shelves) but there is definitely a difference in the quality of the sound – like watching unprocessed Hartnell or Troughton stories on HD.
Then there’s the little “compact cassette” – the great grandparent of the mp3
This is slightly Dr-themed for the title – Run Run Run And again, it needs to be played loud! 😉
PS I did think about adding Venus in Furs on here, but maybe just a tad dark for a Mon morning 😉 (And I’ve lost count of the number of Sunday mornings, waking up to VU’s Sunday Morning)
28 October 2013 at 09:08 #19442@fatmaninabox @miapatrick @craig
In transit with a very small squeak of WIFi last night – and Lou’s death was the news that sneaked in 🙁 I’d’ve been late teens when I first encountered them (late to the party!). The Underground blew my ears off with tales of New York’s dark, dark seedy underbelly – fascinating and terrifying all in equal parts! And as others have pointed out above , he could go from the dark grunge of something like Heroin to sweet soulfulness of Sunday Morning. I love the story that only 10,000 people bought their first album – but every one of them formed a band!
This is for Lou – it’s one from the dark side – play it LOUD!
27 October 2013 at 01:28 #19398I’ll do my best to live up to your standards 🙂
In fact, keep asking the guide where the hatstand is until they cave in and answer
LOL, I will indeed 😈 (And hopefully won’t get frisked on the way out!)
27 October 2013 at 00:34 #19396@htpbdet @Shazzbot @bluesqueakpip @tardisblue
Further to the conversation (which I’ve just caught up with!) on the film thread re the casting for Into the Woods (Depp’ll act great and by the time they’ve finished autotuning and audio tweaking he and Corden’ll sound great too!) this came into my head – my only excuse is it’s very late and the last 4 days have been extremely full-on workwise!
It’s the fabulously bonkers Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs from 1966 with a decidedly surreal Betty Boop cartoon – the kind of thing OGWT used to excel at. Made me smile anyway, and thanks for reminding me of it. (Allegedly written by the Big Bopper (for all you 50s rockers out there)
@whisht – thanks for the Lips n lyrics – great stuff
27 October 2013 at 00:08 #19394John Hurt steals scenes with just a look
That’s what I said when they released the first photos (with the 3 of them in the TARDIS). With all the excitement about Capaldi being the next Doctor, poor John Hurt’s slipped down the consciousness levels a bit. (Nice link btw)
But… JOHN HURT – possibly the best screen character actor of his generation – IS PLAYING A DOCTOR!!!!!!
😀
27 October 2013 at 00:02 #19393Great update on the day, thanks. All very intriguing. I’ll see if I can glean anything from my guided tour of the actual TARDIS set (squee!) tomorrow; will report back 🙂
Re
This begs the question: Why would a future Doctor need a hatstand from his past?
Tough one. Is it the Artron energy firing one from Frontios? Maybe 12 will be going around “tooled up”
And people complain about the sonic screwsdriver, LOL!
So are we thinking the hatstand’s maybe on duty somewhere/when else? And Matt’s forgotten…?!
(Love the pic of Chekov’s Duck above btw 🙂 (@Bluesqueakpip – I hope you have that phrase patented!) Will be interested to see if the hatstand turns out to be a duck or a gun! 🙂 )
So are you not tempted to go back tomorrow @wolfweed? (love Ridgeway’s work btw, good to hear he’s a nice guy too)
26 October 2013 at 18:49 #19378I definitely second @blenkinsopthebrave‘s suggestion for a poll for the 50 Bonkers reasons blog answers (maybe to vote on “favourite” one rather than “best”). And you’d need to have a category for the most groanworthy pun (why would I be looking at you @whisht ???! 😉 ) (Enter the no rather than the phrase)
And thanks again @bluesqueakpip for blogging
25 October 2013 at 23:37 #19338Huge thanks as ever to our DWF News Bulletin Service (tomorrow’s news brought to us today 😉 )
Belated response to your link to Kasterborous article about Ian Levine. That is one helluva climbdown and apology (from the man who leaked the news about Matt’s departure). And quite a tale about Philip Morris as well – including being kidnapped and held hostage. Mark Gatiss is going to have some follow-up to the Adventures in Space & Time doc.
Jings, crivvens, help maboab!
😉
25 October 2013 at 23:24 #19337Oh, I love the new Home page pic. Thanks @jimthefish And in honour of PT too 🙂 Very appropriate for this month of found episodes. (Still embarrasingly overexcited about being able to watch these again 😳 )
Was thinking a bit more about polls, and luring lurkers on to the dark side of being regular posters. I’m not detecting a great love for polls from many people, but what about something similar to @bluesqueakpip‘s recent blog – 50 Bonkers Reasons Why There’s No Trailer – that’s been really popular, and a lot of fun. (Not sure it’s pulled in many non-regular posters, but if it was a recurring feature it might). Doesn’t have to be 50 all the time, tho it could be fun to do some more on a 50-theme for this year.
You could start with 50 bonkers blog themes! Or 50 fave companion moments, 50 favourite monsters/aliens, or 50 Dr Who recipes, fave Doctor sayings…
A bit like a poll but with a lot less trollbait
25 October 2013 at 17:13 #19311@bluesqueakpip @Shazzbot (big screen visuals and sound… 3D… once in a lifetime…!! 😈 )
Yay! Me too (O2)
😀
25 October 2013 at 13:15 #19298I’m going for the 02 (still not on sale as far as I can see). Best of luck everyone. (And well done @wheels 🙂 )
25 October 2013 at 12:03 #19288@bluesqueakpip and would be cinema viewers –
Re cinema bookings – just spoken to the 02 – they said Don’t Panic!
They’re mostly not on sale yet, due to IT problems. Said to give it an hour or so but keep checking in. They do expect it to sell out but not instantly! Tel no for cineworld is 0871 200 2000.
Best of luck peeps 🙂25 October 2013 at 11:34 #19286@Shazzbot
Re the Graun & the Nesting Consciousness ( 😉 ) – as you say it drove some folk away, making the experience much less pleasant, but presumably it gets a lot more people interacting. The Graun needs the click numbers for advertisers.
OTOH I don’t think we should worry about numbers, it’s quality we want (LOL). What I mean is we’re not a commercial site – we’re like a cosy little local pub at the moment. We’ve moved from just the back room to the whole pub now but I don’t think we should be rushing to be a part of a big commercial chain! (Our resident marketing whore has already done a great job. (It’s not about being complacent, but the next month will probably see us grow quite a lot as DW interest intensifies – so I’d say it’s all hands to the deck for that to keep the ship steady and repel trolls!)*
But getting more of the people who are on the site to intereact would be great. Let’s break @whisht‘s 1:9:90 rule (apologies if I’ve misquoted the fig) – let’s be groundbreaking for quality not quantity 🙂
*apologies for the mixed meetaphors 😉
25 October 2013 at 03:52 #19265Nice summing up @whohar and I agree with most of what you say. As to the 50 years in a day theory, I think you’ll find that the full title is the 50/900 years in a day. For prev refs to this see posts #18970 and #19177 (and earlier but I can’t remember how I ref’d it).. and er, ahem! you might want to check the author as well!!
25 October 2013 at 03:47 #19264I can almost hear it now: ” I love you Craig, your my favourite Emperor, honeshhht.”
Are you kidding??? @craig has power of life and death over posts. 1 keystroke from him and a bonkers theory could disappear forever. Not to mention timely rescues from the spammers’ corner 😉 Of course we’re sooky 😉
24 October 2013 at 23:01 #19254@craig You know I was only teasing. @bluesqueakpip had a lot to do with it as well 🙂
Slainge 🙂
24 October 2013 at 22:54 #19249@Shazzbot Well done you. A “banging” performance by the sound of it! 😀
PS Re the Experience – I could live in there!! (curled up under a different TARDIS console every night, haha)
24 October 2013 at 22:52 #19248Good point @bluesqueakpip, I wouldn’t be surprised, tho I suppose it depends on capacity, how many screenings (will there just be one, presumably coinciding with the TV broadcast, on the 23rd?) etc, what area…
Are you going for the 02? That would suit me… What about the people going to the Excel on Sat? @craig? @juniperfish? and…? Having had a small taste of DW on big screen (with big sound) earlier this week, I’m really excited about seeing it in cinema (sorry @Shazzbot). Would be nice to coordinate if there’s a bunch of us up for it.
But I think prebooking is highly advisable. (Or wait till nearer the time and pay 10x the price on ebay!)
24 October 2013 at 22:34 #19246Did you catch the comic bit at the Edin Book Festival this year? They made quite an effort, with lots of good people there. Good for Dundee (home of DC Thompson amongst other things 🙂 )
24 October 2013 at 21:49 #19240@blenkinsopthebrave That’s great news! everyone who has contributed to these boards on any regular basis will be united in spirit (and on @phaseshift‘s blog) on 23rd. Yeeha!
@wolfweed – That looks a great weekend coming up in Dundee. (For some reason I always thought you were US-based). Have fun. (Are you involved in organising or just attending?)
24 October 2013 at 21:42 #19239PS @craig I’ll let you off with wrongly attributing the origin of the Moffat Retrospective idea! 😉
24 October 2013 at 21:38 #19238Some interesting thoughts on here, and thanks @blenkinsopthebrave in particular for eloquently expressing what we’re about.
One thing @craig has always stressed is that it is about “we” ie EVERYONE who is a current user of the site has a right to state an opinion about it (so long as it’s civil and not trolly). The “flavour” of the site changes from time to time depending who is posting (see work/life balance etc). That’s not a bad thing, and I think it’s a way of drawing some lurkers into conversations when they see new people posting. I agree though, that it may sometimes appear quite daunting and look like a private conversation (as @osakahatter pointed out) – that’s not a criticism, just an observation. And sometimes people just like to watch.
I’m not mad keen on polls (mainly because I don’t think they tell you very much – people have all sorts of reasons for voting) but could be a fun addition if they’re kept light, maybe a fairly flippant intro to a blog topic or just a bit of fun, like @wolfweed‘s Crazy Captions. It could be a way of including people who prefer to watch, but could also encourage them into more participation.
I think it’s good to find ways of drawing people further into the site (mwuhuhuh 😈 ) but I really don’t think we should be worrying about overall numbers. If we want the site to retain its inherant friendliness it’s all about attracting similarly minded people, doesn’t matter about the number. The amount of posting will ebb and flow, but that’s got more to do with how much Doctor Who is actually being shown. The bonkers theorising comes back every time there’s a new development like the annoncement of Capaldi and the trailer. I’m amazed the discussions and postings have kept at the level they have! And I’m so grateful for having such a cosy space to retreat to to discuss all things Doctor with other enthusiasts, and without the trolls. (All hail our mighty Emperor and his Timelord cohorts for keeping vigilant on the gates!)
PS
there is at least one example on this site of someone posting an online poll as proof positive of something.
Same as @bluesqueakpip! (If it was, then I was drunk too 😉 )
24 October 2013 at 11:59 #19197@Shazzbot
I think the “look” of the trailer, which may owe something to 3D/2D conversion, was deliberately created to look the way it did. Like they were in stasis/museum etc. Especially as the very early Doctor footage wouldn’t look as good as the later ones for technical reasons. I think the look of it in 2D will be fine, I just hope they haven’t written/filmed it just for the 3D effects. But I’m happy to keep the faith for now 🙂
24 October 2013 at 11:50 #19196@phaseshift @Shazzbot
Are you trying to tell me that online polls aren’t to be trusted??! *sigh* Another illusion shattered
24 October 2013 at 11:31 #19192I think you’re right in that there will be a reset, but it will be the culmination of the change in direction that’s been gradually been worked in under Moffat. I’m still hanging in there for a Kennedy/4th Wall break – but I’d settle for just the return of Canton, haha
24 October 2013 at 11:23 #19191@timeloop You are so right about the age range of people at the Experience, it’s really lovely. There’s not much else on TV that works across generations in quite the same way. And the exhibits are very high quality, glad your friend was impressed. Everyone should have a little TARDIS! 🙂
24 October 2013 at 00:27 #19183@Shazzbot – All of it, haha! (Except that – I got to help fly the TARDIS.. but she didn’t like me!!! 🙁 )
Made me VERY excited for the cinema experience tho – they had a moderate sized big screen and showed some clips (as part of a set-up story introduced by Matt (who is stuck in the Pandorica!) – a 12 foot tall, drippy, slimy Silent is quite something. The 3D bits they did were pretty damn good as well (and I’m not a 3D fan)
Only complaint was new paradigm Daleks instead of the classic ones – but they’re still pretty scary when they’re shouting orders and “exterminate” at you. Though not as scary as the earlier type in the museum that moves when you don’t expect it (kid inside trying the controls!)
LOADS of original props and costumes esp from AG (some refurbished originals from BG) – am gobsmacked at how amazingly well made and detailed they are even close up. 2 things re props – the notes for the cradle (original prop) state that it was River’s – and the Doctor’s when he was a babe. One of the things hanging from Clara’s utility belt in Asylum is an egg whisk 🙂
And they had a lovely (bittersweet) tribute to Delia Derbyshire.
Hope the amdram’s going well and no falling scenery 😉
24 October 2013 at 00:07 #19179re TARDIS consoles – they have the original 10’s console, the documentary Hartnell replica, and Matt’s one plus at least 3 exteriors from various periods, at the Dr Who Experience in Cardiff. Place is hoaching with them! Just sayin… 🙂
24 October 2013 at 00:03 #1917823 October 2013 at 23:55 #19177Good to see the Doctor Zero (and who’s the last Doctor) debate getting an airing. I think it’s strongly hinted (as I said before) that Matt could be the last… except that we have Capaldi coming up (“spoilers!” 😉 )
But sorry @blenkinsopthebrave I really don’t believe there’s any way that Moffat will negate the last 50 years of the show’s history in a “it was all a dream” moment as Capaldi steps out of the swimming pool, in the 50th anniversary year. Although I wouldn’t put it past him to suggest that the last 50/900 years takes place within 1 day! (time travel and all that)
Why are we all so worried about a reboot/reset? The show’s history’s been effectively reset regularly since 2005 starting with the Time War and most recently with Amy’s memories and then with the GI and then Clara jumping into the Doctor’s (already decaying) timestream.
As a result of the Doctor visiting Trenzalore and going into his own timestream he now knows that he very probably dies at Trenzalore and he’s reminded of the suppressed memory that is Hurt.
@bluesqueakpip I love your hugely detailed analysis of all the Doctors’ relative positions. I’m not saying these aren’t irrelevant (especially Tennant) but I think it’s very significant that Eleven can move at all, and he moves decisively. Now Eleven has just found out that the Doctors’ history looks like it’s coming to a bit of an abrupt end and he’d probably really rather avoid that if possible. He therefore has to go back and change a few things in his own history.
But if it’s his own history he can’t change it (timey wimey paradoxes and all that (ref – The Day of the Daleks)). But MAYBE HurtDr can, since he is not acknowledged as being the Doctor. So Matt has to back to enlist his help in a bit of wibbly wobbly timey wimey jiggery pokery. They have to bring HurtDr back into the fold in order to save all the Doctors.
Just thinking – in all the multi Doctor stories, there’s usually been a bit of harrumphing as a previous Doctor grumps about his later incarnation’s new habits (You’ve been redecorating – I don’t like it 😉 ) If HurtDr is Doctor Zero ie preHartnell, AND he’s the Policeman (or someone who goes for expediency over principle) – he’s going to be as horrified at how they’ve (he’s) turned out as Eleven is (in NotD) when he remembers what HurtDr did.
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