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23 October 2013 at 23:07 #19175
@timeloop Welcome to the spammers club! (Although at least you got a warning, it just ate mine)
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23 October 2013 at 00:45 #19093Re your comment about the current trailer being better than the actual episode trailer – I wholeheartedly agree (I like watching the trailers after I’ve seen the episodes). Would love to see it in a cinema – but that might be quite embarrassing if it came on unexpectedly, LOL
23 October 2013 at 00:42 #19092Wow! You’re good! (Just after the crack in time (in the clouds!)). I’m very wary of interpreting things as faces (as we humans do that incredibly well (remember the “face on Mars” from the 70s that disappeared once they had higher res kit?) but this thing’s just so jam packed with carefully placed goodies it wouldn’t surprise me. Unless it’s Delgado’s Master…? Nah, they wouldn’t finish with that 😉
There’s lots of boring reasons why the policeman might not have been in the storyboard but added after. eg someone rechecked the opening of An Unearthly Child and thought it would be a good idea. But the HurtDr as The Policeman (as opposite of what The Doctor stands for in many ways) – could certainly explain why Eleven is so disgusted with him, and maybe why Hartnell went running off (I have a theory brewing but it’s all tied up in timey wimey knots at the moment 🙁 ). (Maybe that’s why #6 was so snarky – he regenerated with more of the The Policeman/Dr Zero’s gene arrangement than the Doctor usually does).
But I love @htpbdet‘s thought that the Policeman in the trailer is much more of a guard than the one in the original story, esp if he represents Dr Zero and our way into the story. And the TARDIS blue junkyard doors (as spotted by BSP) representing the actual TARDIS – although they’re only in b/w in the trailer. (Which would loop nicely back to your comment about the whole trailer scenario (frozen explosion) ref’ing back to JttCotT)
And yes, lots of old consoles about, can hardly move for them! 😀
23 October 2013 at 00:04 #19088In honour of Gallifrey’s particularly-hued skies (@Juniperfish – this up your street?) Arthur Lee & Love – Orange Skies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhxuWc6Mhh0
(Someone should make a Doctor Who themed video for this 🙂 )
23 October 2013 at 00:00 #19087@wolfweed – 6 in the pit with the police helmet on – love it.
re Hurt and the policeman – maybe it’s an in-joke – they needed a face to morph in, let’s use John Hurt’s. Especially if he is Doctor Zero… I like the idea of going right back to the beginning.
The poster they put out a while back looks very much as if we’re heading to the Time War on Gallifrey, but I also wondered about the scene behind Matt at the end of the trailer – pointy rocks and orange skies of Gallifrey?
22 October 2013 at 23:55 #19086The Excel is keeping quiet!
Sounds like the o2 is the place to aim for… (I’ve moved nearer the centre of town by then (hotels near Excel on a Sat night are extorionate, even for London) but I’m happy to come back out if there are a few people from here planning to go (@Shazzbot – what’s your plans?)
22 October 2013 at 16:50 #19058Thanks @phaseshift – oooh it’s all happening now (my Dutch friends aren’t going to be very chuffed though).
@bluesqueakpip @craig @juniperfish @Shazzbot What’s best for the London cinemas do you think (best screen, sound, 3D option(?) etc). Are we going to try to co-ordinate a group visit? (or do you think there’s a chance the Excel will show it…?)
22 October 2013 at 12:57 #19041As @bluesqueakpip so eloquently put it –
what happens in Gallifrey stays behind the Time Lock
Sorry Nick, even
“unless Steven Moffat thinks otherwise”
doesn’t count. It’s what us non-spoiler fans say! And that’s to please keep ALL spoiler (and pseudo-spoiler and maybe-spoiler) discussion on the spoilers thread, including the subject matter. and please don’t bring spoiler-informed discussion on to any of the main threads. If you KNOW something, please abstain from contributing about it on the other threads. Discuss on the spoiler thread till your heart’s (or hearts’) content, there are plenty of people on here who like to do that 🙂
@wolfweed may be overcautious sometimes, but that’s a good thing; his track record is 5* so far – if he thinks it should be in spoilers, it’s fine by me.
Thanks to everyone for respecting this. (This discussion comes up every so often, and it’s a good time to air it again now)
22 October 2013 at 09:57 #19020Yes, it would appear sanity is prevailing after yesterday’s policeman hysteria, LOL
Like you I’m far from convinced that the Doctor would start a never ending war… but he might hit the pause button on one while he scoots round the universe looking for a solution – or just takes a timeout cos he’s exhausted with it! (I keep thinking of old Twilight Zone stories (particularly the one about a woman with a magic amulet who stops time to prevent a nuclear missile striking her town – final shot is of a lethal looking missile suspended in mid flight – the woman is free to move around but everyone/thing else (inc her family) is frozen))
According to the GI Trenzalore was just “a minor skirmish”
21 October 2013 at 23:12 #19008heh heh 😈
(well it was worrying @htpbdet enough to send miniHTPBDET(s) (aka the nephew) to come on here to check! So probably an apposite decision on your part)
21 October 2013 at 23:09 #19006Currently Orphan Black, recently Broadchurch. But I think we are just going to have to differ on this. I particularly liked the (mostly) unrelated stories in series 7. But I also like the arc based series – so long as the writers are coming up with good ideas rather than doing the same thing/not doing the same thing just for the sake of it.
21 October 2013 at 23:00 #19003In my opinion it’s currently mostly 9+ and occasionally a 10. Wouldn’t argue about a 24 episode series, but I doubt it’s going to happen 🙁
21 October 2013 at 22:56 #19001Just chucking in my tuppenceworth – and I confess I don’t understand about 90% of @pedant and @craig‘s last posts – so speaking as a user, not a designer. But as a web-luddite I like the back button (and yes I occasionally press it accidentally 😳 (told you I was a luddite) but I can live with that).
I much prefer not opening a new tab automatically when clicking a link (especially if I’m using my phone)
21 October 2013 at 22:10 #18997that was the nature of extras. To use his image in this brand new trailer would involve permissions, potential fees, etc
Now that’s just BORING!! 😉
To be fair they did spend a LOT of time and effort putting loads in the trailer to keep us interested (and make sure the youTube version went viral)
21 October 2013 at 22:06 #18996Sorry if I picked you up wrongly, I was responding to
a big judgment day for all doctors and all they have done
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Why would the zero doctor be his greatest secret ?
For the same reason a future Doctor could be. But I still go back to Matt referring to him in the past tense. (And if you think we’re picky on here about grammar etc, Moffat is the standard-bearer for words and potential meanings. Every word is carefully considered, especially in key speeches)
and all this sounds way too complicated in my opinion
You can say that about a show which in 1 recent season had the Doctor’s future wife turn out to be the daughter of his then travelling companions who turns out to have grown up with her parents as their contemporary; who is trained (in 51st century) as the assassin of the Doctor, kills him, but actually doesn’t because of the tesselector substitute… ?
21 October 2013 at 21:34 #18993If he is a future Doctor, why does Matt refer to him in the past tense? (“He’s the one who broke the promise”)
Also “Count the regenerations…” If there is a Doctor Zero before Hartnell then Hartnell becomes the first regeneration rather than the first Doctor, so everything moves on 1 from what we thought ie 11 becomes 12. It works the same way if HurtDr is between 8 and 9 – 9 becomes 10, 10 becomes 11 etc). But @htpbdet has an addition to the Doctor Zero theory that he is the last AND the first, that the Doctor’s lifespan is cyclical – when you get to the end you got back to a (new) beginning.
It does not sound like doctor zero could had the time or resurses to do something so wrong
If he is also a timetraveller, then he has all the time in the universe
Sorry, I’m not keen on Smith’s Doctor (and even less all the Doctors) as the big bad – we only know this from other (untrustworthy) people saying it, we’ve not seen it on screen. It’s the Doctor’s nature to “save the day” which is why I think he’s looking for a solution rather than being the problem. If he (as HurtDr?) created the timelock it was because there was (apparently) no other choice.
PS I wholeheartedly agree with you and Moffat that Johnny Depp would be an amazing Doctor
21 October 2013 at 21:05 #18988SPAMMER????!!!!!
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21 October 2013 at 21:02 #18986@craig Yay! You’re a genius! HUGS! 😀
Maybe it was something to do with the no of @ refs? or the blog link… it was fine till I added it
21 October 2013 at 20:58 #18982PS @craig I ref’d you as well, tho further down, but it’s maybe in your email notifications?
Check with @Shazzbot re the earlier time – I tried posting something 3 times and she said she just watched them going on, then promptly disappearing. Not happened since
21 October 2013 at 20:56 #18981Yikes – memory span of a gnat, me! … Ref’d Shazzbot first – “Wrong policeman… typical 60s chinstrap style…”
or something like that
And then Wolfweed to thank him for the earlier pic of the 4 Doctors
21 October 2013 at 20:54 #18980Yes I did (I like your policeman theory – don’t see why they’d do it (in joke?), but it’s amusing); I referenced loads of people. I had it copied to memory, till I re-opened it to add the link to @phaseshift‘s blog (which is all I get when I hit “control /V” now) 🙁 (Oh well, I’m sure people can survive without my words of wisdom heh heh)
21 October 2013 at 20:47 #18975I just did a massive big post and it’s been eaten 🙁
Reopened it to add a link, clicked “submit”… and it’s gone, vamoosed 🙁
(Don’t suppose it’s lurking in the backwaters of the site anywhere? It happened a couple of weeks ago – @Shazzbot was a witness!))
21 October 2013 at 20:41 #18970@Shazzbot That’s a pic of the wrong policeman! (from An Unearthly Child (with typical 60s chinstrap style))
@wolfweed Love the pic of the 4 Doctors, even if they have made #1 look more like Bradley than Hartnell 🙁 Thanks for doing the composites – I’m still not convinced either way. There IS a passing resemblance to Hurt (if you squint at the screen with eyes half closed!) and it’s definitely not from the original footage. But as @blenkinsopthebrave (yay! Smartarses of the world unite!) says, why would they?
OTOH There’s @bluesqueakpip‘s brand new baby theory about The Policeman/Bobby/Copper <puts thinking fez back on>
@d12345 The problem with no paragraphs or punctuation is that a) as @craig says most of us on here have extemely short attention spans so your posts are unlikely to be read. And b) it’s typical troll behaviour, so you’re setting up people’s preconceptions against you by posting that way. For now you’re getting the benefit of the doubt as you seem to be trying.
re your comment about how the stories should be structured, see my earlier post about Dr Who frequently breaks the rules (including it’s own ones). Dr Zero Theory is the one that HurtDr is before Hartnell (making Hartnell the 1st regeneration). He could simultanously be the last one, in a timey wimey cyclical sort of way. But he could be a “crazy old Doctor not wanting to die” – although we’ve kind of been there with Tennant.
and making wrong dicisions blowing up stuff
Or as per my own current pet theory he could have been on a time out for the last 50/900 years working out how to fix whatever it is the HurtDr has done that was so bad. Re the regeneration limit – I think there’s one thing we can be 100% sure of – it’s not IF they get round the rule, it’s HOW 🙂
@TennantMarsters Poor you, bad planning – tell the band they need to reschedule :-). Cinema schedules haven’t been announced yet. Keep an eye on @phaseshift‘s Big 50th Celebrations blog – updates will be on there
21 October 2013 at 16:31 #18929@Shazzbot
First it was lewd remarks about London hotel room-service staff, now Croatian waiters.
What ARE they putting in the water round your way…?! (And fling some over here please!) 😉
LOL @blenkinsopthebrave‘s new Chin theory. btw I reckon your Break the 4th Wall theory might be due for a dusting off and re-examining.
21 October 2013 at 16:27 #18928All of the seasons of Who have an “arc”
Only in AG Who. BG Who generally didn’t have a series arc. Unless you count the very loose link of the companions’ stories. And except occasionally when it did (season long or a few stories long) 😉
The great thing about Dr Who is it loves breaking its own (and everyone else’s) rules.
Scary Pedant 😉
21 October 2013 at 15:38 #18921@pedant Thanks for the link. They missed the (possible) crack in time at the end, but they did spot the Sontaran ship
21 October 2013 at 15:14 #18917EVERYONE looks slightly waxy/unreal in the trailer. As if they are museum pieces (and remember the trailer for NotD which had Matt and Clara going through what looked like an old attic/museum with lots of Doctor artefacts). That has to be a deliberate choice (and not just about conversion of 3D/2D images, although it might have a bit to do with it as @nick pointed out). But do check out the chinstrap on the policeman, it’s definitely not the original broadcast footage.
The ONLY person who moves (and talks) is Matt.
Get well soon – I need backup! Especially someone to squee over those first few seconds of the trailer as much as I am – it’s exactly the way An Unearthly Child starts. 🙂
21 October 2013 at 14:32 #18912@Shazzbot
Is it the power of suggestion?
Er… probably!
😀
But what about those first few seconds though? (Unearthly Child and the trailer). At least I’m happy I know where the pram comes from now.
@nick I agree with you, I don’t think it’s from the original footage – check out the chinstrap
PS @Shazzbot – I admire your patience :-). Disingenuous comes to my mind, but I have (often!) been wrong before
21 October 2013 at 14:10 #18906@htpbdet (mini)
No no no! I don’t think the policeman’s Hartnell (although it’s a thought) – I was suggesting the CGI process used to upgrade Hartnell’s image was the same as that used on the policeman. BUT – sorry, changed my mind – I don’t think it’s the original policeman – at least not from the original footage – the ’63 one wears his chin strap much tighter (Dixon of Dock Green style!) (@Nick could be right re the footage from the documentary)
Love the idea he’s a Zygon copy – there’s a noticeable (and noted) lack of (obvious) Zygons in the trailer 😉
21 October 2013 at 13:48 #18902@htpbdet (and mini-HTPBDET(s) 🙂 )
Re the policeman – I reckon (after far too much starting and stopping of youtube clips!) it’s the original policeman from An Unearthly Child – but the CGI process has given him the slightly unreal look of Hartnell. Have a look at the first few seconds of this – not just for the policeman but to see how closely the trailer patterns the very first seconds of the very first episode (including the pram). 😀
Re T Baker falling – could be ref to Genesis but could also be ref to his final fall in Logopolis.
Tell him his Doctor Zero theory is proving popular and ask him what he thinks of the Doctor taking a time-out for the last 50 years? And is now going back to whatever HurtDr did, to fix it. The whole thing looks like a frozen explosion to me.
Some of us also think the reflection could be Susan, but not certain. (Chameleon arched as S-J… hmmm)
He is very frustrated to not be able to have access to technlogy.
I feel his pain! But tell him to focus on getting better and then he can access all the tech he wants 😉
21 October 2013 at 12:04 #18882he is certainly not an aged Dr Eight as McGann is included in the clip
Good point. I was also wrong when I said he’s the only one with his back to us – 6 is also back facing. Agree re some objects have double reference eg the Shard/Gallifrey.
If “peace and sanity” were achieved with a kind of Beast Below solution, then later Doctors could be a bit p’d off. (And I like the idea of the Doctor running from his own rules)
21 October 2013 at 09:48 #18877Last thoughts on the trailer for now – if you pause at 0.41 – just past Tennant – check out the symbol on the pillar of rock that Matt’s standing on – looks distinctly Gallifreyan to me. As do the rather noticeably pointy rocks around him (including the Shard), and in the far distance)
(Oh and as Matt says “all my lives” I’m going back to 11 Doctors in a day 😉 )
21 October 2013 at 09:14 #18876Update on the 11 lives in a day theory –
Or it’s the last 3 regenerations in a day, with HurtDr (as either aged 8 or between 8 and 9) doing the thing that now needs resolved. Which keeps it all AG, doesn’t tamper with the earlier history. Unless HurtDr is, as @htpbdet suggested, Doctor Zero – above still applies but in timey wimey very wibbly wobbly way.
Note the similarities between HurtDr’s “in the name of peace and sanity” (NotD) and Matt’s voiceover in the trailer: “I’ve fought for peace in a universe at war“.
@juniperfish Glad you like my new look 🙂 In honour of the lost-but-now-found Troughton episodes. Are you excited about those?
@craignixon Re the spider-thing – I believe it’s the Racnoss (got that from one of @wolfweed‘s links (sterling service as ever, thank you))
21 October 2013 at 08:40 #18874@janetteb re River –
If she has been omitted from the 50th special she had better show up in the Christmas special or there will be tantrams…
Haha. Exactly 🙂
21 October 2013 at 08:38 #18873Nice spots. I’m with you on the “possibly Susan” – the hairstyle of the reflection doesn’t match either Clara’s, or Sarah Jane’s, but it could be the reflection/distortion on the suface of the globe (is that a snow globe – maybe a GI ref? (Snowmen)). If the figure before Tennant is HurtDr it explains why we don’t see his face – the only “doctor” not to be facing us. And it puts him firmly at the end rather than the beginning (although they’re not all exactly in order eg 7, 5 then 6).
I’m convinced that the last 50 years have taken place in a time-out from 1 day, maybe as he figures out how to resolve the problem that made him scoot off in the first place eg like Impossible Astronaut/series 6 scenario . 11 lives in a day
And sorry if I come across as a numbers-nerd – but the viewing figs on youTube are seriously impressive – there are 2 official channels and between them they now have 2.5 million views! Since Saturday evening.
20 October 2013 at 23:57 #188701 MILLION views and still going strong!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRy2N2CMhQ
20 October 2013 at 20:48 #18858Greetings back @geoffers
That’s a great story and a nice intro. Dr Who has way of sneaking into people’s lives, even if they resist it intially, haha. The Doctor will find you in the end 🙂 Look forward to reading your next posts
20 October 2013 at 20:40 #18855And Clara’s reflection is – Sarah Jane Smith
Not convinced about that, sorry; I’m more with @blenkinsopthebrave that it’s Susan. Hard to tell with the globe distorting the reflection, but it looks as if the haircut is much shorter than either Clara’s or S-J’s. Which leads to his bonkers theory that Clara is daughter of the Doctor and River, and mother of Susan.
But yes, no River 😥
@chickenelly I reckon it’s the wig, but opinion seems to be divided. But maybe he’s just having a bad hair day 😉
Has anyone worked out who the last figure before Tennant is? (Capt Jack or John Hurt, or…?)
20 October 2013 at 20:35 #1885420 October 2013 at 14:56 #18835I agree with @phaseshift that it looks like the proper ES (from 70s era). But the reflection could be Susan (Carole Ann Ford). Why is Pertwee in a globe anyway? Fortune teller’s globe or a snowglobe maybe? (I’m assuming he’s fencing the Master, but I can’t see it as Delgado)
And thanks @wolfweed for that rather awesome link! Notice they’ve got a spot on Amy (just behind Eccleston).
Now… why have they chosen the particular things they have? Some of them are obvious re their close association with particular Doctors, but there are for example 2 or 3 refs to the key to time, there’s a LOT of daleks… and no Zygons. Unless they’re disguised of course 😉
PS Youtube official accounts combined have now passed 1m views. In under 24 hours. That’s approaching Miley Cyrus rates 😉
20 October 2013 at 14:07 #18829And he locked Gallifrey up in a time lock just to avoid returning and facing up to whatever it is he is running from.. Maybe even started the time war as a diversion or an excuse… Now that does border on evil.
😀
Or at least till he could find a way of dealing with/sorting it. Maybe he’s trying to avoid his Timelord final exams till he’s done the swotting for them 😉
@bluesqueakpip @htpbdet (and the MIA @juniperfish) You’ve all been suggesting a “rebirth” (or a return to #1) of some sort for a while, and I agree that we’re looking at some sort of time paradox resolution. And a re-set. 😀
(@Bluesqueakpip Yes, I decided to take my chances in London on Sat, go back on Sun. Worst case, I’ve got a TV in the hotel room, but hopefully can find something more exciting)
20 October 2013 at 13:44 #18825By “helping” unobtrusively I presume the Doctor (in his head) is still being “just an observer” – in true Time Lord tradition 🙂
The slow reveal of the cybermen – agreed, and it’s nearly the end of episode 2 (good call by @steve-thorp on last week’s cliffhanger) before we see them moving for real. (@Phaseshift Not only climbing down the ladders, but being fairly synchronised about it too. None of yer CGI here 😉 )
And I really don’t have a problem with accents being “off” – Jamie’s is from no place in Scotland that I’ve ever come across, but it’s just Jamie’s accent 🙂 (See also @bluesqueakpip‘s similar comment aboout Clara’s accent in 7.2 threads). Interesting comment from Phaseshift re 50s/60s American TV sounding “different” now – similarly with the BBC – if you listen to any of the continuity or news announcers from the 50s, it’s enough to make you ROFL at the “cut-glass” tones. What I hate about accents in shows is where trying to “get” the accent is given priority over acting the character. If the acting’s right, the accent doesn’t matter.
20 October 2013 at 13:27 #18815Whatever you decide to do – make it an event to remember. IF I can find a cinema that’s showing it, AND can get tickets, the cinema gets my vote (with detailed rewatch after). Or, presuming there’s a run in cinemas, might catch the film later. 3D doesn’t bother me, but big screen and cinema sound get thumbs up.
20 October 2013 at 13:23 #18814Going back to the “one moment in one impossible day” – what if the last 50 years has been the Doctor taking a “time out” from that “one impossible day? The moment happens – the Doctor skips off in the TARDIS for a few hundred years, goes through a few regenerations, but now, facing the end of his (current?) regen cycle, he’s out of time so to speak, and has to go back and sort out “the moment”. The ultimate in procrastination!
20 October 2013 at 12:34 #18810Still jumping up and down this morning!
@wolfweed – “…some will have watched it 180 times...” Whatever do you mean?!! (Nice to see the trailer notching up the numbers on YouTube – 400k and 320k on the 2 official YouTubes)
@bluesqueakpip Thanks for copying out the text – really helpful, and I agree on your pick-up of “impossible”
The point @blenkinsopthebrave mentioned – At the beginning he says “all my lives” but at the end he says “life” – maybe just to attract the audience’s attetnion, but…
@craignixon I wondered about the character just before we get to Tennant but can’t make out who it is. It’s not John Hurt is it?
@fatmaninabox – well done on the Rose spot and good question about Dr 2, although Drs3, 6 and 7 get a very brief glimpse also – who’s that in the globe with Dr 3?
@hudsey – he says he’s been doing this for “over 900 years” so assuming he wasn’t 0 years old when he started, that still fits. Interesting choice of number tho.
Little squee at Bessie and Dr4’s jelly babies
Re companions – no River…? 🙁
Anyone spot any signs of timelords?
@Shazzbot – yes indeed – LOTS of sonics, although they seem to be particularly associated with Matt (who’s the only one who moves/speaks). I like to think it’s a reply to those who moan aboout its overuse 🙂 . I still think this looks like an explosion stopped in time. And LOTS of daleks. Time War?
19 October 2013 at 21:28 #18784Looks like there’s been an explosion (across time?) frozen in time…
19 October 2013 at 21:21 #18783Re the trailer – ooh, that’s pretty awesome. And they’ve put lots of things in to keep us busy for a while 🙂
19 October 2013 at 18:58 #18775@Shazzbot @bluesqueakpip
Or the conception, even (although probably we shouldn’t see that!)
19 October 2013 at 17:29 #18771@Shazzbot
Re actors – I think it probably still goes on – you know, they need someone for a walk on/background/extra part, you ask if anyone knows someone.
Re the theme tune – this is absolutely, hands down, brook-no-arguments THE definitive theme/credits for me. NOTHING else comes close to making my spine tingle with quite the same anticipation (tho I quite like Pertwee’s in colour (didn’t see those till years later, only having a b/w telly at the time). Glad you like it.
Victoria’s OK! This was her first journey in the TARDIS after her intro when the Daleks killed her father, so she’s a Victorian girl and she’s still grieving. But she showed a bit of spine when she shrugged off Kaftan’s creepy inistance on helping her last week. And when Jamie’s first reaction is to get the hell out of there (he’s not a coward, just sensible!) it’s Victoria who says she’ll stay.
Is it me, or does the Captain sound like a Canadian, trying to sound like an American?
Apparently he was born in Austria 🙂 So either it’s a very very subtle characterisation… or he went to the same accent school as Jamie (the same one attended by James Doohan (Scotty from ST))
I love the subtlety of Troughton’s acting. Eg his change in tone and the timing when he turns to say “no not you Jamie” (after his “anyone who wants to leave speech…”) (Think how else those lines could have been said). The very deft hidden pressing of the key button when Kleig is trying to work out the sequence. You can see the direct line from Hartnell’s Doctor (in The Petrified Forest (2nd ever story)) when he pretends the fluid link is broken just so he can be nosey. That dangerous/reckless curiosity (admittedly very useful as a plot driver) that you still see strongly in the AG Doctors. This Doctor is just as curious about the tomb as the expedition party, to the point that he doesn’t mind putting everyone in danger by giving little hints to Kleig and co (from the opening of the front door last week) to help them along, so he can see what happens. Watch him do his little dance of joy, clapping his hands when Kleig gets the hatch open.
Things I liked –
60s tropes – Kaftan is a classic Bond/Man From Uncle/Avengers type female baddie; clunky looking levers that simply must be pulled/pushed despite the fact that you know absolutely nothing about what they might do, and the last attempt at getting things working resulted in someone getting blasted; probably the least careful archeological expedition team you could imagine (up there with the lot on the recent (flawed by awesome) film Prometheus)
Love how it riffs on the whole cursed, boobytrapped Egyptian tomb thing (Tutenkhamun enjoyed a bit of a comeback in the 60s (so to speak))
Toberman’s little smirk in the background when the Captain says “or someTHING” (5.47) is neat
You may laugh at the tech effects but that little cybermat had me checking under my bed for months after (I think I spent most of this episode shouting “Noooo – don’t do that!” at the TV (from behind the sofa of course!) when I watched originally).
And with the original scene that Neil Gaiman paid tribute to in NiS as the cybermen wake up – what’s not to like? 😀
19 October 2013 at 15:50 #18767Heh – I said it was worth sticking with didn’t I?
You did indeed and I thank you deeply for it – yours and other comments on this thread were what made me watch it in the first place. It’s up there with Broadchurch IMHO (which I came to the same way). #6 (in particular) works on so many levels, including social satire worthy of David Lynch at his (Twin) Peaks.
@Shazzbot You’re right. Maslany deserves every bit of praise and the awards she got for this. Her characterisation generally is great, but she really delivers when it gets complicated (ie Sarah being Alison is subtly different from Alison being Sarah). Agree re Cosima’s monitor. I also think the points raised in the lecture could be significant, especially that 1 throwaway line near the end of their encounter after it. I don’t think Donnie is necessarily off the hook just yet btw. And yes, poor Vic, you do, don’t you?
Did you pick up on where they’re getting the episode titles from btw?
Why does Cosima need glasses? The others don’t.
And I love that this is SF – with very strong female leads. Even if all of them are played by the same person, LOL.
(@Shazzbot – Potlucks are great, but probably best if you’re not trying to sort out your domestic problems in the basement at the same time. (Didn’t realise it was a US tradition (PLs, not Alison’s attempt at relationship therapy haha). PM me if you want to discuss this in a more spoilery way)
@phaseshift – please don’t laugh at our probably wrong-headed theories 🙂
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