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  • #52845
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @pedant

    We never agree, do we? But you know what made me angry in your post #52842?

    There is no group as adept as the English working classes at finding someone else to blame for their indolence,

    And there is no group as adept as the English middle and upper classes at displaying contempt towards the working class. It’s particularly ironic that you then go on to ask (with apparent seriousness) why I think that the Remain camp are showing bile and hatred towards the Leave (as well as vice versa).

    Okay, so your little example of superior contempt isn’t exactly ‘bile and hatred’. But go on to the Graun website. Take a look at the comments. Take a real look.

    You will see people who are supposed to be socialist, supposed to be socially aware, supposed to be liberal and supposed to be sophisticated calling half the country xenophobic, racist, stupid, lazy and fascist. But that’s okay, because they’re talking about the older, or poorer, or less educated half of the country – and really, what can you expect from ‘those people’?

    Sometimes they’ll say that: then on another post they’ll talk about the UK’s ‘cultural compatibility’ with Europe. As opposed to our ‘non-compatibility’ with other (darker skinned) countries. Nothing to do with skin colour, of course, purely ‘cultural’. Or they’ll talk about racist attitudes and then – sometimes in the same post – they’ll explain that migrants are better workers and Brits are ‘lazy’ and ‘don’t want to work’. And they won’t see the disconnect; that they are complaining about the other side’s racism while displaying the most blatant classism.

    Bile, hatred and contempt. From both sides.

    I’m really glad this damn campaign is over. πŸ™

    #52843
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @whisht and @pedant

    Aaaand …. breathe!

    Whatever happens, whichever way the majority votes tomorrow, we will all have to work together on Friday. The worst thing about this damnable campaign is the way both sides have started spitting sheer hatred at the other side.

    This song has a Doctor Who connection: it was considered as a possible ‘entry’ song for a new companion, Penny. In the end, Catherine Tate agreed to return, so Penny never got to travel in the TARDIS.

    #52834
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @Puroandson

    Yes, a little bit of Fred and Ginger usually helps. πŸ™‚ As indeed does a bit of Queen.

    And now, for something totally different – whichever side our UK members are on, this is how I think of us at our best.

    #52825
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @whisht

    Ah, yes, referendum music. My favourite:

    #52708
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @mersey

    It doesn’t matter whether Steven Moffat is personally uncomfortable with the idea of a female Doctor or not. Even if he is, he’s still laid all the groundwork for another producer, one more comfortable with the idea.

    He’s established that Time Lords can change sex when they regenerate. He’s established that it is possible for a major character (The Master) to change sex (Missy) and still be incredibly popular. He’s established that the gender switch is not permanent, and can even be a one-off event in a Time Lord’s life.

    So even if he, personally, doesn’t want a female Doctor – he’s clearly demonstrated that (if he is personally uncomfortable) he knows this may be a prejudice rather than a genuine requirement of the Doctor’s character. And having acknowledged this, he’s gone and done something about it. It is now possible to make the experiment.

    πŸ™‚

    #52706
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @mersey

    Steven Moffat dealt with that with The General in Hell Bent. The General regenerates into a woman, heaves a huge sigh of relief and then says ‘only time I’ve been a man’ (with a strong undertone of ‘and I hope it never happens again’).

    So if Chris Chibnall wants to experiment with a woman Doctor, he’s not obliged to stick with that gender if it is a disaster. He can regenerate the Doctor back into a man.

    πŸ™‚

    #52697
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @pedant

    Yes, very nice indeed.

    #52594
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @missy

    Self publishing used to be very expensive; one of the reasons it’s now so popular is that it’s possible to self-publish electronically quite cheaply. Basically, you need to find someone competent to do a decent cover design, and someone used to editing books. I suspect a number of self-publishers don’t even bother with that much. πŸ˜‰

    Amazon even have a page set up explaining the basic how-to.

    Most of the self-publishers seem to mainly sell electronically, possibly with a print-on-demand option.

    #52588
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @puroandson

    It’s a time-travel loop. Please only try this at home if you have access to either a) a TARDIS, or b) a Time Vortex Bracelet. πŸ™‚

    From Rory’s POV: The Doctor appears from the future (using a Time Vortex Bracelet), gives him the Sonic, goes. Rory then uses the Sonic to let the Doctor (in his present) out of the Pandorica. Rory then hangs around, meeting the Doctor 2000+ years later in the National Museum.

    Shortly after he’s met the Doctor again, he mentions that the Doctor now looks exactly the way he did when he gave him the Sonic – so the Doctor realises what happened (i.e. how he got out of the Pandorica). So the Doctor then uses the Vortex Manipulator to go back in time to talk to Rory, hand him the Sonic etc.

    No paradoxes are involved beyond ‘who wrote Beethoven’s Fifth’? That is, nobody worked out how to get the Doctor out of the Pandorica; the escape plan was created and maintained by the loop. πŸ˜€

    #52548
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    The archbishop of Canterbury is a bastard? Of nobility?

    Not of nobility, exactly, but his biological father was certainly extremely well-connected. Sir Anthony Montague-Browne, FO (and also KCMG, CBE, DFC), former Private Secretary to Sir Winston Churchill.

    It appears it was one of those ‘I slept with him exactly once! Once, I tell you!’ things. πŸ™‚

    #52462
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @nerys

    Broadchurch: one of the few TV shows around these here parts where flame-proof undies are the recommended dress code.

    Let’s just say that some of us like it, some of us don’t, and the result tends to be what politicians refer to as ‘full and frank discussions’. πŸ˜‰

    #52405
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @miapatrick

    Hope the PIP went well.

    And well done for finishing that Creative Writing module!

    #52142
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @missy and @amagad

    The TARDIS was the first unearthly thing seen in Doctor Who.

    Before the Doctor, before even Susan, the viewers saw a seemingly ordinary Police Box – in a junk yard, emitting a strange electronic hum.

    #52123
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @petri19

    I’d be perfectly happy to see River again, whether it’s River alive or River’s Library Ghost. And the story could be more complicated, if Moffat gets a great idea between now and the end of his producer’s run – or even after his producer’s run if he doesn’t do an RTD and have a firm ‘that’s the end’ for writing Who scripts.

    Or it might not be more complicated. ‘There’s only one time I could’ – is that a technical statement, or an emotional statement? Is he saying he can only tell someone, say, at the point of death, or is he saying he can only tell someone if he loves them completely?

    Both can justify ‘only one time I could’ (and Tennant’s shock) – when I’m dying; when I truly love you. When Moffat wrote that line, he left it very open-ended – it’s not a dropped plot, it’s a springboard for a possible plot.

    After all, from the Doctor’s point of view, not telling River his name is also a way of showing his love – because as long as she doesn’t know it, she can’t head off to the Library and her death. Which is another reason I think he told her on Darillium, when he finally stopped bottling out of taking her there.

    He had to learn to love her enough to let her go. The lesson he failed to learn for Clara, he managed to apply to River.

    #52121
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @puroandson, @petri19 and @doctordani

    I don’t think it is a ‘dropped plot’, more something so intimate that we, the audience, were never privy to the moment the Doctor told River his name. If it’s a Gallifreyan marriage symbol of a genuine marriage, my romantic little heart suspects that he told her his name on Darillium as evidence that she is his true wife, after finding out that River doesn’t really think that the Doctor loves her. Whether he loves her or not, she’s his wife.

    But her apology in Silence is because, by telling his past self that she knows his name, she takes away his ability to show her that he loves her – because he will always know that he must tell her his name. It’s no longer a symbol of ultimate trust, but instead a necessary piece of their respective time lines.

    She’s always feared that he doesn’t really love her, but it was her own action that took away his ability to prove it.

    But in The Name of The Doctor, his earlier incarnation tells her later reflection that she’s always with him – in such a way that it’s pretty damn obvious that he loves her. In the end, there’s closure.

    Except it’s in the middle…

    … I think I’m gonna need a bigger flow-chart. πŸ˜€

    #52037
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @mersey

    They don’t remember that they saved it. I did do a blog a couple of years back, which puts forward the alternative timeline theory; but it’s stated in the script of Day of the Doctor that memories can’t be retained if the time-lines are out of synch.

    In other words, you can’t remember changing your own past if remembering changing it means you’re never going to change it. πŸ™‚

    From Day of the Doctor onwards, the Doctor should be able to remember two pasts: one where he destroyed Gallifrey, one where he just thought he did. That he does remember destroying Gallifrey is implied by his doubt about being a ‘good man’.

    @nick did a counter-argument where he put forward the idea that time was never changed; the Doctor simply thought he’d destroyed Gallifrey.

    #52034
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @mersey

    That’s why I now tend to refer to the post-McGann Doctor Doctors (sorry!) as the Hurt, Eccleston, Tennant, Smith and Capaldi Doctors.

    I think Moffat really, really wanted Eccleston (though I do understand why Chris said ‘No’). John Hurt has said that he basically had about three weeks notice to play the War Doctor.

    I think Paul McGann could have played it; but the Eighth Doctor is the last of the Before Gap Doctors, and Day of the Doctor is really a prequel to ‘Rose’ – it’s such a terrific backstory for Eccleston’s Doctor and the subsequent shell-shocked and traumatised Tennant and Smith Doctors. Thematically, the idea that the Doctor is so traumatised by what he did, he never even acknowledges the existence of one of his own incarnations is (in my opinion) a much better idea than using either McGann or Eccleston’s Doctors. It may have been a case of happy serendipity following Chris Eccleston’s final refusal, but happy serendipity it certainly was. πŸ™‚

    #52029
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @TheConsultingDoctor

    You’re right that Capaldi’s Doctor is technically the fourteenth incarnation, not the Twelfth. (twelve regenerations = 13 incarnations – Capdoc is now No. 14). But the next set of regenerations will end with No. 26, not 28. I think maybe you mistyped it, because you’re correct that that actor should be seen as the 24th.

    If, that is, the next actor is No. 13. They might suddenly start ‘counting’ the War Doctor so that the next actor can be No. 14. πŸ™‚

    #52000
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @missy and @mersey

    Tegan also got a bit of a fan check in The Crimson Horror, when the Doctor reminisces about spending bloody ages (years, in fact) trying to get the TARDIS to land at Heathrow Airport. He then uses the Davison Doctor’s catchphrase to Tegan (Brave heart) to Clara.

    Given later developments, I suspect the TARDIS can be retconned as knowing when Tegan needed to leave, rather than when she wanted to leave (which was almost the second she stepped into the TARDIS) – and so simply refused to land at the right place and time until that point was reached.

    #51961
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @craig

    Given that we’ve had a rash of these things, I’m in favour of shutting it down temporarily. I have used the PM function, but hopefully a temporary complete stop will lead our little romance scammers to find easier pastures.

    Hopefully pastures that have really huge and sloppy cow pats.

    #51916
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    Twenty seven years.

    That’s a long wait for justice.

    Like pretty well everyone who was living in Liverpool in 1989, I’d like to thank everyone who fought so hard for justice for ninety six innocent people – who died when they were supposed to be enjoying a football match.

    #51897
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @bowtiesarecool123

    River’s regeneration in Manhattan takes place in the 1960s in Day of the Moon, not this episode.

    so the episode timeline would of made sense.

    As the Doctor himself says: you’re gonna need a bigger flowchart!

    #51896
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @blenkinsopthebrave and @craig

    Persistent little soul, isn’t she/he?

    #51823
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @craig et al

    I was on the Putney to Westminster part of the Thames path today, and passed Battersea Power Station (now being turned into the kind of flats owned as an ‘investment’, rather than as a ‘home’).

    So – either we could discuss the New Companion Trailer into the ground for the next six months, or:

    The Dalek Invasion of Earth? Anyone fancy it? Bill Hartnell, Daleks coming out of the Thames, Ian, Barbara and Susan?

    πŸ™‚

    #51822
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @thedentistofdavros

    Anyone seen Pearl Mackie in anything else then?

    I haven’t seen her, but the signs are good: Bristol Old Vic drama school (one of the top schools for training actors), a stint in a daytime soap and currently a West End role.

    Definite Donna vibes – which is good; I think Capaldi’s Doctor needs a Donna. πŸ™‚

    #51762
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @whisht

    Yeah. It’s getting to the point where I’m going ‘Does God have a gig on?’ πŸ™

    #51712
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @kharis

    I get that you teach High School, and you’ve explained your reasons for thinking this is ‘diversity casting’ – but you don’t teach in Shoreditch in London. As I say, I know the area well, and I kept an eye on the casting of the extras when they had Clara’s school scenes. Somebody has done their research – and reflected the ethnic mix reasonably accurately. 50% of the people in the area are white – 50% of the kids are white. 25% of the people in the area are black (various nationalities) – one of the kids is black. The rest of the people in the area are what you describe as ‘medium skin toned’ – check.

    Sorry if it seems like diversity casting, but that is reality in Shoreditch.

    Weight, age and attractiveness: these are young actors; they’ve been accepted into drama school and have previous TV experience. ‘Don’t put on weight’ will have been drilled into them. They certainly look easy on the eye, but they also look like what’s called ‘young leading actors’ rather than ‘character actors’.

    That is, the casting director has gone for safe casting. They want the show to be successful and they’ve gone for a strong cast, well trained, with regular TV roles already on their CV. That means they almost have to go for early to mid-twenties – few real teenagers will have the experience. Equally, it’s generally the prettier drama school graduates who are likely to have good TV experience – while still young enough to look possibly teenaged.

    If Class is a success, I expect we’ll get more normal looking and younger actors coming through as they swap the young leads. If they’ve got a big enough budget for supporting characters, some of them may be younger and more ‘character’ (i.e. normal looking).

    As for gay or transgender: we don’t know yet whether any of the characters are gay or transgender. I do believe someone is an alien. This is, after all, a Doctor Who spinoff. πŸ˜‰

    #51674
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @kharis

    Why critique an entire series before it’s even started?

    The members of the cast who look in their thirties are playing the teachers. The ‘sixth formers’ are adults with a younger playing age, but they’re all actors in their early twenties.

    And as for ‘diversity formula’ – I know the area that the fictional Coal Hill School is set in very well. It’s a mix of ethnicities and class – a formerly working class area that then had a huge influx of artists move in (it was cheap). I wouldn’t be shocked to walk into a sixth form class in the ‘Coal Hill’ equivalent and see that group in it.

    They’ve already done two Doctor Who spin-offs – why complain because they’re trying something different (no continuing characters, only a continuing location) for the third?

    #51655
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    For those of a certain age: Gareth Thomas, who played Roj Blake in Blake’s Seven, has died. πŸ™

    He was a Shakespearean actor as well as a TV lead; I remember seeing him as Duke Orsino in Twelfth Night.

    #51646
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @miapatrick

    The episode you’re looking for is Vincent and The Doctor.

    Best of luck with the PIP appeal and well done for getting back to that final assignment (Ah yes, I remember it well…)

    #51604
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @winston Yes, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone is a great story. It’s particularly brilliant when you remember that this was Matt Smith’s first real outing as the Doctor – they filmed The Eleventh Hour out of order so that he had a bit of a grip on the character before he had to introduce it.

    Blink always has the same problem for me as Kill the Moon. Kill the Moon had the problem that I like spiders, and Blink had the problem that moving statues are just not scary. I blame the lack of fear of moving statues on books like Edith Nesbit’s The Enchanted Castle (I just like spiders). And getting stuck in the past? When this is a series about time travel and companions routinely leave by staying in all sorts of places and times? That also failed the Pip Scarymeter.

    But Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone hit the mark. Angel Bob is truly creepy, the Angel getting inside Amy’s head is truly creepier, and the idea that the Angels would do a countdown ‘for fun’ shows their psycho nature as Blink didn’t.

    Also there’s spaceships, and cyborg forests, and River and a great speech by the Doctor – really, what more could a fan want? πŸ™‚

    #51501
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    Matt Smith got a role in a superhero film post Doc (as it were), but I don’t think it did very well, and not much has been heard of him since as far as I know

    Terminator Genisys, which bombed – but the general opinion seemed to be that Matt Smith was well cast and played his role very well. Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, which may make its money back on the DVD/download sales. Also playing a young Prince Philip in a Netflix series called The Crown and he has the title role in Mapplethorpe, and is playing an as-yet-unnamed role in Patient Zero.

    For an actor keen to move into films, he’s not doing too badly.

    #51473
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    Happy Easter to all!

    @puroandson No chocolate eggs, though there is some Millionaire’s Shortbread that seems to be free from everything except sugar and chocolate.

    Glad to know you have an op date @mudlark. My grandmother had a hip op, and it improved things so massively she practically had to be tied to the bed for the required rest.

    I went for lemon and garlic for the chicken. πŸ™‚

    #51408
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @pedant and @puroandson

    Yeah, I remember it being mentioned before.

    It depends on what the dam was for – I vaguely remembered Dinorwig having a lake below. Looking it up in Wiki, it has a two lake and a reservoir system, with the water for the hydroelectric power system being stored in Marchlyn Mawr, an artificial reservoir – then it gets sent to Llyn Peris, and any overflow is supposed to go into Llyn Padarn.

    Whoever wrote the Wiki entry dryly notes that the water level in Llyn Peris ‘varies considerably’. So if the dam is for electricity rather than a drinking water reservoir, they could have dried up an old lake that was situated below the dam. Remember that the ‘village’ turns out to be a military base, built after the dam was built.

    #51318
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @jimthefish

    Jobcentres have always been like that. At least, I had a very similar experience to @fatmaninabox in another economic downturn, some twenty years back, when the solution to doing fringe theatre for no money (which might have led to paid work) was apparently to put me on six months work experience as a shop assistant for no money. The only bright side was that it was, at least, a charity shop – so I wasn’t taking someone else’s paid job away.

    The most deadly change has been handing the power to sanction to people who are mostly only interested in getting you off the unemployment statistics, and have never been too worried about helping people find a job that matches their experience and qualifications. There are some good people working there – but not enough.

    #51316
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @pedant, @puroandson, @ichabod

    I think the neuterers have it!

    #51282
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @pedant

    The total thundering twatbadgers are probably unemployed and disgruntled actors, expressing their extreme displeasure that a talented young actress is getting parts that should have been theirs, dammit, theirs! [That they’re well over eighteen and the wrong sex for the part is beside the point.]

    But they can’t say ‘I’m a jealous bastard’, so instead they say ‘she can’t act’. πŸ˜‰

    #51281
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    @fatmaninabox

    Two weeks later they force me, at risk of being sanctioned, to do 6 months unpaid work experience cleaning offices which I have to do it until the end of May.

    So in order to prevent you doing voluntary work to gain experience in a field you want to be employed in, they’ve stopped someone else getting a paid cleaning job?

    Yup, that sounds like Jobcentres.

    #51220
    Bluesqueakpip @replies

    Face the Raven is in many ways an excellently written story

    And I should probably hasten to add that I doubt I could write a better story myself if I had an entire year, all the other scripts and my choice of cast: I’m critiquing the story, not the ability of the writer.

    #51219
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    @puroandson

    Face the Raven is in many ways an excellently written story: the thing I object to is that Clara’s death isn’t an inevitable outcome of the plot.

    I agree with @ichabod when she says that Clara’s death is very like Danny’s. It’s an accident. A random, everyday accident, that happens when something you do safely every day of the year suddenly bites back – because it involved a risk you also take everyday. Like a child who rushes down some steep stairs when she’s been told not to, and one day does fall and break her ankle; there’s some carelessness from the child, but basically it’s sheer bad luck. This time, the risk didn’t come off.

    However, this is drama. There are no random everyday accidents in drama because the writer (and showrunner) have to plan every action, every line. So when I say that Clara’s death feels like an accident, I’m not being complimentary. Dramatically, Danny’s death doesn’t feel like an accident-through-carelessness (even though it is one) because Danny’s death is properly set up as the inciting incident for the finale. We know why, in that episode, Danny was not paying attention when he stepped into the road and the reason for his inattention had been developed throughout the previous episodes.

    Clara’s death isn’t properly set up. Clara is doing stuff that she does every episode: every episode the Doctor gets her out of it. This time he doesn’t? Why? She does something a bit reckless in almost every episode of Series 9 (she does something a bit reckless in the first part of Face the Raven) – this time it bites her back. Why? Because they need to kill her off in this episode.

    And they knew they hadn’t set it up properly. We didn’t need an after the event speech about how Danny’s inattention was caused by his and Clara’s series long argument over lying; because she was now offering to tell him the truth and that was so important he didn’t think about checking for cars.All the audience had to worry about was whether the car had been primed to hit him or was truly accidental.

    But we did need an after-the-discovery speech from Clara.

    #51212
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    @pedant

    Since my point was that the story you were referring to wasn’t the end of the story; yes, I had noticed that it wasn’t the end of the story.

    The fact that Face the Raven came two episodes before the finale was also a bit of a clue. πŸ˜‰ I think I mentioned that there were another two episodes at the time, when I said how much I didn’t like it?

    Face the Raven is never going to be one of my favourite stories; it currently lives in my memory as the moment when Doctor Who stopped being ‘must watch’ TV for me. From what I’ve read, it was originally pitched as a mid series story where both regular characters (as usual) survive – and I don’t think the author ever did get round that. The twists and turns that script had to take to get Clara killed were incredible (and not in a good way). It isn’t a story that ends in a death; it’s a story that feels as if it’s meant to end in a last-minute escape – only it didn’t. An action-adventure that found itself having to become a tragedy; and the genre switch didn’t work.

    As a stand-alone, it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable; what you read as ‘fatal flaw= hubris’, I read as ‘fatal flaw=Clara should not have aspired to be the Doctor’. Which doesn’t work either, because Clara had already shown she could be the Doctor if she had to be – and in fact, dying to save an innocent is exactly what the Doctor would do.

    By the end of the series, they’d sorted it out, but it still doesn’t work for me. Face the Raven isn’t there because Clara’s death was inevitable. Face the Raven is there because they needed Clara to be dead for the finale.

    #51209
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    @pedant

    The story was of Clara was of her hubris

    Yeah, you keep saying. And I keep disagreeing: it’s not really a story about hubris if the person who thinks they can be the Doctor ends the final act with their very own TARDIS, on the run from the Time Lords and accompanied by an assistant. πŸ˜‰

    Personally, I’d say the pointer that we all missed was the Clara-Danny relationship in Series 8; two people who love each other very much – and are very bad for each other. Clara-Danny mirrored Clara-Doctor.

    #51195
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    @ichabod

    Hi! Glad to see you back.

    Regarding a female Doctor: I think it’ll be someone like Matt Smith; someone who gets cast from an open call because they just are the Doctor. Never mind that they break every casting idea the producers had – they’re the Doctor.

    It’s possible that the BBC suits may prefer to go for an established ‘name’ rather than an open call with up and coming male and female actors, but with established names, you’re going to get into the ‘turn it down’ problem. Being the first female Doctor will be a Big Deal; you’d need a name who is a) suitable and b) wants the job.

    ‘Wants the job’ implies a fan. The move to Cardiff, the press intrusion into your private life, the dangers of typecasting, the danger of it being a career-ruiner if you’re not successful – you need to either be a fan (Tennant and Capaldi) or to have this as potentially the biggest break of your career (the then up-and-coming Smith).

    So if you can think of any potential female Doctors who we know are fans, they might be in the running. Otherwise, it’ll probably be a case of ‘Doctor Who?’ πŸ˜‰

    #51152
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    @thedentistofdavros

    I will be extremely happy as long as we don’t get an entire series of Peter Capaldi talking to himself. However, this may be a minority view. 😈

    #51139
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    @jimthefish

    Nice to see the Tories (rather predictably) turning on themselves in the most feral way possible.

    Oh, putting a genuine possibility of getting out of the EU to the Tory Party is like throwing a big bag of catnip into a group of cats.

    It won’t be pretty. πŸ˜‰

    #51129
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    @craig or @jimthefish or @phaseshift

    I seem to have a new little friend (robbins) who is very interested in my profile and wants to share pictures with me.

    Sadly, I suspect that they may be two-timing me with other members of this forum. πŸ™

    #51119
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    @jimthefish

    I’m beginning to wonder if the Brexit campaign doesn’t really need leaders – if it’s tapping into the same kind of anti-multinational, anti-globalisation groundswell that Occupy tapped into on the left. The Indy’s latest poll has 52% ‘Leave’, rising to 54% when you add in how likely the respondents are to vote.

    Neck and neck, then.

    I’m not sure Project Fear 2.0 is the right way to get a Remain vote, either; Project Fear 1.0 didn’t have to spell out the advantages of ‘No’, because people already knew them (even if they didn’t believe them). But Project Fear 2.0 has an audience that’s already very largely Eurosceptic. It’s tricky convincing people that the world’s going to end if they Brexit when they’re already half-convinced the EU’s going to implode even if they do stay.

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    @jimthefish

    I dunno if you’ve seen (being a reporter and all) the excitingly titled 2014 BIS Analysis Paper Number 5?

    It probably gives a fairly reasonable overview of which bits of the WTD the Westminster govt really wants to get their little claws into. Namely, the 48 hour opt out, and the recent rulings on including overtime as holiday pay and treating ‘on-call’ as ‘at work’.

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    @jimthefish

    A Brexit will almost certainly mean the end of guaranteed holidays, automatic workers rights and will probably usher in uncapped working weeks and zero-hours contracts for all.

    Well, technically, it could. If the entire Working Time Directive (which is enacted via UK law, not EU law) got repealed, it could. But that got dropped from the deal recently reached – largely as the price of Labour and the TUC support for staying in Europe.

    You do have to ask how likely people are to vote for a government that’s stolen their four weeks of holiday. Even Tories have to get elected; I’ve seen supposedly safe seats have a vote collapse when people are really, really pissed off.

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    @jimthefish

    Yeah, I actually do know what neoliberal means? I always did know. I, like, follow politics and shit?

    This is probably one of those ‘jokes don’t travel well on the Internet’ things. Either that, or @pedant‘s sense of humour has gone on holiday, but since no one seems to be getting the pun, probably the former.

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