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hey @zaphod – Completely agree – this is a lovely space.

(say it quietly, but I think I love the theorising more than watching the show!!).

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Can’t wait to hear your first bonkers theory (or musical memory – yep, there’s threads on all sorts here!)

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Hi guys,

Completely agree as to spoilers (I think I’m even more paranoid about them than anyone!).

There was a question as to how to create space in posts, or somehow ‘hide’ posts on the spoiler thread.

I don’t think just hitting Return a lot is respected by WordPress, so I tend to use pointless full stops.

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Not sure how this would hide anything though – you’d still have to scroll past it, but….

The other brilliant suggestion someone here had months ago, was to colour the type White. Hidden in plain sight! But can’t see a way to do it…

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hiya – skim reading.

Is the new theory that the Doctor is a biscuit?

(trying to keep up)

😉

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erm, @rob – not sure if you’re still interested, but I have another “new foe of the Doctor”.

I’m pretty sure that the Sontarans were originally meant to be a scary war-mongering big-bad.
In Nu-Who that’s mellowed somewhat, to being a bit more funny/dangerous (though I am a huge fan of Strax).

However, how about introducing something that represents the true horrors of war?
As we know, the Sontarans are based on the ‘nobility’ of war. ‘Glorious’ battle and death.
But war is not really like that.

A Sontaran would never stoop to massacre innocents, rape, pillage, torture people simply to spread fear, and generally do what happens in all wars – attack the support networks of armies.

What if the Sontarans had created a beast that did this ‘dirty work’ of war?

‘Dogs-of-war’. An amoral species, capable of anything they’re ordered to do.

In itself, a ‘nasty’ (rather than a ‘big-bad’), that could even scare the Doctor.
And, as its so ‘anti-glorious battle’, it would have been hidden/forgotten by the Sontarans as a bad idea (an embarrassment).

However, if severed from Sontaran control for an extended period of time (eg left to fight a battle the Sontarans forgot), one of them could even start to wonder if all this terror made sense.

It could even become a companion that learns humanity (Leela-style)…

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Hi @vizier – you could try this –

As you know, use the “@[name]” so they get an email and think “ooh.. what’s that?” but I reckon you’re thinking “my reply will be weirdly 37 comments and 2 pages away from what I’m commenting on – even they won’t know what the hell I’m on about!” then I can only think of using a link to their post.

eg it was great that Juniperfish’s request to @craig was taken on.

(using the numbers on the top right of the post as the link).

But there may be better ways – just can’t think of one that other people can see what’s being commented on!

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I’m with you @phaseshift.

Don’t weaken.

Whishtfish would also lead to more spittle than “HTPBDT” (or “Huhtuh-ber-tuh-bra..” as it goes in my head…)

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y’know (this is a massive aside) I should show the designers I work with this blog, for them to appreciate how sometimes their work is analysed.

all too often “erm, i erm well on the left seemed better and blue was y’know thingy’s colour wasn’t it?” is what you get.

This would raise their game….

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ah well that’s a pain. a finely written reply to @wolfweed is lost to the ether as my laptop decided to shut down.
And no, this doesn’t mean the rewrite will be better.

[sigh]

So, Wolfweed apologies, I’ll try to remember the wit, but I know the songs at least (and if you’ve ever read a reply of mine, losing the wit may be actually preferable!)

Kid Creole and metal – can’t find one track to link them, so instead I’ll try the original Dropout (sans Blues Brothers).

However, Kid Creole does end with some rather good sax so… I’ll reply properly with some sax (god I did that better the first time).
Although I seem to remember the band (hey Phaseshift I’m doing memories!) doing it better on Jools Holland, I can’t find a link so instead, although live I think there’s more energy in their live performance on Jools, I’ll go with this example of their driving brilliance:

very saxy.

Live they really shine, but not for the first time you wanna hear them (unless I could find a killer performance!). [if you follow that link, the thin saxophonist is the one you want to wait for… but stil, I’m sure there are even better examples if only I trawled away from yuotube…)

Its one of the few times (maybe Art Blakey) where its so obvious the drummer drives and spurs the band (though I’m sure it happens a lot elsewhere more subtly).

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@haveyoufedthefish – look, you’re getting silly.

next you’ll be saying that Clara’s deaths are all the fault of the Cartman Masterplan.

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“oh my god – they killed Clara!”

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@haveyoufedthefish – if it isn’t a dalek giving themselves a black(stalk)eye then the universe is a far far colder place than it was yesterday.

you’re having rather a good evening methinks!

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hey @htpbdet

haven’t said yet, but hope you’re feeling better.

(btw – is it just me or when people say your name in their heads, is there quite a bit of mental spittle in the inner ear?)

anyway, in terms of the Doctor’s name, well, I’d hardly want to point you to my earlier post (yeah obviously I would otherwise why the link??) but, erm…. its unlikely, but still.

actually I think that post was me flushing-the-tanks of theories I hadn’t yet put out there, but realised that the series was staring agains so I might as well shoot them off before actual episodes made them irrelevant (ie speculation is far more interesting!).

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@juniperfish – of course!!!

I missed it before, but how about its actually 11 Tardis’ piloted by 11 Matt Smiths – each of the Doctors crashing into each other!!

@ardaraith – erm…..

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a tad late replying, but I’ll try forlornly to pong back great pings(!) so…

@janetteb – Ghost Town – yep, absolute classic! Almost perfect pop(?) with a political message.
Now, in deference to @bluesqueakpip, I had thought to pong back a political song which is just amazing in either version but instead will try a return which links a bunch of previous stuff – cover versions, the Fall, and ghosts (keeping it who related!)….

yep its

(sorry @phaseshift – few memories of this, except this was an early intro to the Fall, yet I was still amused/ bemused by the ferocity of the cup throwing from the crew at Smith, as he walked in front of the wall!!

btw I’ve just discovered that the embed only seems to work for youtube. I tried a better quality muzu.tv version url and it just had the URL as a link (similar to what happened when @juniperfish was trying to embed).
Just saying in case Juniperfish was still struggling to embed the video player… anyway, for a ‘better quality version’ of Ghost in my House there’s the link (though the Fall were hardly ever about recording quality!

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enjoying this!

;¬)

and agree as to following the bonkersness in as few places as possible (I use the Recent Posts on the right but have missed stuff when we’ve been particularly active on multiple threads!)

oh, and @craig, you’re absolutely right to [cough] desire lines [cough] start delineating paths when you see them.

😉

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ah @bobbyfat and @shazzbot – the well was the ‘black hole’ timey wimey thing I think (which as @bobbyfat rightly says is on that exact spot).

While I’m at it – @bobbyfat really liking your interpretation.

erm, not much to add but really liked it!

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@phaseshift – you think you’ve got too many balls to return! I want to reply to everyone’s posts and I’m deluged!!

And there’s so much fun over on Hide, its a bit of an aside to come here. No doubt midweek will mean a bit more musical activity as we wind down from Hide and before we gear up for JttCotT!!

so….

I won’t link to my first bought single (which I think was Money for Nothing by Dire Straits). There is just nothing cool or nostalgic or even particularly good about that song.

As you demanded ‘memories’ with the music (and for cuteness) I was once told by my mum, that when I was a toddler and my brother just a bit older, he had to be in eyesight of her or he’d cry. However I was fine in my cot, if she just stuck a stack of LPs on the gramaphone arm and they’d just play, one after the other. On being told and more-than-slightly proud of myself (though I actually don’t remember it happening) I asked what music would have been playing to the 2-3yr old me.

Not so cool, is all the Irish albums (eg Jimmy Shand etc).
However, one was Orange Blossom Special by Johnny Cash which I’ll take (even though I’m only fond of this live version):

btw – has anyone else ever said how much Mark E Smith looks like Johnny Cash?

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btw @badwolf, @haveyoufedthefish – I kinda prefer your outlandish-but-poetic-more-scientifically-accurate take on Clara.

[sigh]

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and @haveyoufedthefish – JLC is smaller on the outside.

mainly.

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@haveyoufedthefish – yes.

just yes. thank you.

;¬)

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as others have said (I’m forgetting who came up with which theory – so many!) – we’re seeing Clara out of sequence.

If she was in the Tardis when it exploded (was this @haveyoufedthefish?), then the Claras we’ve seen in AotD and Snowmen, are echoes of this Clara (the Clara of CW, RoA, Hide).

They’re people just as real as our Clara, but as they are the echoes of her, they remember what is happening to her in CW, RoA etc.

For example, Clara sees the Doctor rather ostentatiously drinking milk from the bottle, and it is ‘remembered’ in AotD; she thinks of his chin in Hide, and ‘remembers’ it as “chin-boy” in AotD.
“Os for the win” is a (somewhat childish) phrase of Claras that’s echoed as Oswin in AotD…
I’m sure there are other examples…

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btw – being ‘normal’ means I wasted a disproportionate amount of time trying to figure out an anagram of Clara Oswin Oswald.

[sigh]

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@badwolf – loving your theory, but… I have a slightly simpler theory based on your and @haveyoufedthefish‘s (and others’) great insights:

She’s normal. And being normal, she’s incredible – like all people (including everyone here, awww).

But seriously – her main character trait is Love (ie compassion, human empathy etc). And so far, love has saved the day (not the Dr per se). So naturally she saves the day.
How? by doing what people do – by showing compassion, love, care, worry, acts of kindness etc.

as @haveyoufedthefish asks:

It’s just her presence alone made history shift on a different course, like she’s a big, walking, timey-wimey butterfly effect.

or person (we’re all beating our wings in butterfly strokes, though some of us are a bit more doggy paddle and others splash around quite a bit).

And Clara as the programme – again, no problem there – you could say that the programme has been about how humans do (or more usually don’t) get along. Its allegories of how people are and should be.

Its also defined by the love of the fans (which brought it back to life a couple of times as @bluesqueakpip says so well).

so…. I think that Clara is normal – but like us all is capable of amazing things because we all are.

(apologies – almost needed to get a hanky as had something in my eye….)

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Btw, just before I rush off, I really think the Clara-was-in-the-Tardis-when-it-exploded theory has loads going for it.

If we think of the Clara of Hide etc as ‘our’ Clara, then if she is scattered through time, it is those other Claras that have echoes of ‘our’ Clara (though it feels to us she is echoing them). Eg “Oswin” is an echo of “Os for the win!” in BoSJ.

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Mornin’ all.

Hopefully will get more time tonight, but just wanted to say all this blue and red made me think of 2 more things…

The Tardis is blue.

The old fashioned glasses for watching 3D films had red and blue lenses.

Hmm…

And great spot by @phaseshift in the return of purple.

Though I fear choosing between red and blue things is gonna lead @juniperfish to madness!

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ah – haven’t much time, so a short post.
Loved ‘Hide’.
As with others, I think Clara is a ‘normal’ person, but one reason why I like JLC’s characterisation so much, is because she is obviously intelligent.
I don’t think this companion will be saying “But Doctor, I don’t understand…” in a whiny way.

Which is a darn fine thing (awaits to be proven wrong, so won’t eat my fez when it happens!).

But honestly – if there’s a good role model for kids, its that you can b smart and not be ashamed of it.

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@haveyoufedthefish – loved these!

Made me think that in a parallel universe, Tintin may have been a young cyborg adventurer….

with a K9 called Snowy.

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thanks @craig

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Final one for tonight.

@bluesqueakpip – massive apologies but classical is (yet another) blind spot for me, (I’ll re-read The Rest is Noise as I loved it!).

This guy is more well known than I had realised (I came across him randomly years ago and then buy anything I see of his as its just too achingly beautiful). Not Russian, true, but Estonian.
Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten.
Is a cantus bell the same as a cloister bell…?

I never tire of this music:

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Right – so many to reply to!

However in fear of being Modded by @phaseshift (though I’ll skank with the best of them!) I’ll try this whimsical straight-forward forehand return to @craig‘s The The.

yep – this song and album by The The was a big deal! I remember watching and taping the ‘film’ of the album (on Channel 4)? Matt kinda plowed the same furrow but what a furrow!
I was thinking of either a Neneh Cherry link, or another choon from 1986. Checking iTunes I spotted some corkers (what a great year!) but then saw this –
Talk Talk and “Life’s What you Make it”.

My memory of this song though is a bit different.

I was with my brother and his mates – they were in a rather good local band, and we were in a local pub/wine bar watching them. By this point they knew I could play a bit of harmonica and invited me to play on a song, which is almost certainly the first time I ever played harmonica in public! My brother was just amazed that my cheeks puffed out so much!

Anyway, in that gig, the keyboardist started playing the Talk Talk riff, and the guitarists (who were twins) started playing along, not knowing the song. It was all rather brilliant improvised interplay.

Anyway, obviously no tapes from a pub in the 80’s so here’s the real thing!

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Oi @craig – keep to the topic or you’ll be Modded!

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ah, good.

My votes for 4.

or 2.
3 in a tie-break.

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Polls don’t work like this do they?
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I’m being silly aren’t I?

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a) Yes
b) No
c) shut up Whisht

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Hi @chickenelly – I agree – I saw the episode blog and went when there were a few posts (well done @phaseshift) but just couldn’t be bothered.

It just didn’t seem as engaging as here.

I kinda feel bad about that but not too much.

Heck, I’ve only got so many minutes to type and stuff (and lawd knows I’m a slow typer) and I haven’t even replied to any music today!

I just don’t think I can be bothered (but then again, I have few if any thoughts on Pertwee)…

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ah, thanks @bluesqueakpip –

btw on looking for something else on this, I got this from the tardis.wikia:

‘As Oswin remembers being converted, she repeats “Where am I?” multiple times.’

which echoes BoSJ.

hmm…. “where am I?” “Who am I?”…

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hey @jimthefish – is that a poll in itself?

are there multiple answers…?

;¬)

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hmmmm….. [ponders]

btw, is it important that (I think) that “Clara’s” role in AotD wasn’t Clara originally?

That actually the role was simply a genius female human, who falls into the clutches of the Daleks, keeps them at bay with Love, and in the end saves the Doctor (but dies doing so).
Pure tragedy – but Moffat saw a chance (same way he spotted not using the GI for the villain of “House”) to use ‘Clara’ instead of a random genius girl.

In AotD she’s simply an example of Clara Oswald.

or am I misremembering something else..?

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ah @bluesqueakpip – I agree that its interesting, what with this season being all about remembering (expected for the 50th).

Music and smell are both keys to memories (stronger than words or sights).
They seem to knit the memory better. Lock it in some way.

And we’ve had both music and smells this season. And of course memory is essential to answer the most basic question – “who are you?”.

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btw if we had a “thumbs up” button on here, I’d have fucked my keyboard up in the same way me and my brother did with Daley Thompson’s Decathlon.

thanks one and all (especially @htpbdet with his “can I just list the insanity in one place please?”)

;¬)

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oops – I really need to get back to the other thread – I’ve mixed up @bluesqueakpip‘s numerology with @juniperfish‘s Ossirian obsession!

so sorry!
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[must regain focus – Who Who Who…..]

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@wolfweed – holy shit (and though I swear a lot day to day, I rarely swear when I type!). That’s an incredible clip of Delia!! I’ve never heard that before (ie I’ve never bothered to listen to the Radiophonic Workshop stuff). More fool me.
In terms of a response, I’m thinking Autechre Brochus 2 is (off top of my head) similar. and short (for those dipping in!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZOS5v3K3MA

Not their best work at all, but I’m returning the Delia track (otherwise I’d use something prettier by them like Eutow). Or less techno but more interesting stuff from Four Tet.

really really great lob from you.

[edit – after failing to connect originally, here is a little something from Sonic Boom who befriended Delia later in life… a tad psychedelic if you wait for it…

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@bluesqueakpip – I am remembering correctly and you’ve gone all Egyptian on us….. right?

well, I could go all Bangles but c’mon, you throw an Egyptian shape and I’ve only got one album I can think of!

and luckily for me, I just discovered while looking for this that there’s a film of the magnificent Sun Ra

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so, keeping it sci-fi related (cough cough) here is something for @phaseshift (who almost certainly knows it but might be fun for those that don’t):

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@craig – that’s just brilliant! laughing all the way through!

I was looking for something on youtube that someone I worked with did, but I can’t find it! If I could it would be at least vaguely useful as a return!

Now, you have (rightfully) reminded me that I’ve been off-topic from the start(!) and not been entirely sci-fi thinking!

🙂

so, I have no chatroulette rejoinders, and will only cheer @juniperfish and possibly @scaryb up if I link to this which is referenced at the end of your clip. Obviously, its great but entirely sci-fi free. You could almost say FREE BIRD (hint hint). Can’t even link it to Who (unless I misquote the aria from Carmen).

The fact its a deliberate riposte to Neil Young’s Alabama is a link, but only to my own post!

Actually speaking of which – @juniperfish if you simply type the URL and not click the ‘link’ button, then the browser will do the rest (hopefully this post has at least been vaguely useful!). I think that’s how you’re doing links (in same way I highlighted “this” above, clicked ‘link’ and pasted the URL of the Old Grey Whistle Test into the Link dialogue).

So, I’ll have to have a think, but I’ll try some easier sci-fi related things to some other posts….

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Blimey -you’re all bonkers!!

Next you’ll be saying that the Doctor’s put his soul into the sonic screwdriver just before he hands it to River!

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he he @craig – yeah why not? I’m in (as long as both online and offline identity not known!)

and no @juniperfish – I’m not RTD, even if my ideas are as naff!

:¬)

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@craig – well that Feeder video is brilliant!!

I’ll admit that its not my favourite song (:¬) but the video is full of really lovely moments of fan-dom!

I have absolutely nothing in response!

An ace!

Your serve again!

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@wolfweed – my first reply to you is just a tad po-faced (Boe-faced??)

Slightly better would have been this:

But you have me properly stumped by your original posts which are perfect!
I actually loved the Soviet music! Honestly, I really liked it! and laughed. But genuinely liked it.
Really hard to find a response!

This may even be a bit more po-faced (apologies) but it at least is quite beautiful and joyous and links to Kate Bush as the Mysterious Voices of Bulgaria were featured on one of her albums (they’re quite brilliant on Rocket’s Tail).

But forgive the last song in their set! They had to get bums on seats at their gigs after all (and the genuine warmth of the audience is gorgeous!)

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ah @wolfweed where do I begin..?
I need to do better the the link below, but as a response to your remix, I’ve linked to what I think is the original version, but its hard to tell (i was minus some years) and this is far far too original-sounding.
I’ve never really listened before, but if you didn’t do it electronically, and instead with small orchestra it would sound a bit Robin Hood. (tah dah….. tah da da, dal la laaah) [imagine it on horns].
But Delia ups the driving bass, alienates the parping of hunting horns and instead gives us the future.

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Ah, @phaseshift – completely agree how a song will ‘mean’ whatever it meant at a particular time and its hard to shake it. Its as if music stitches together the neurons which are firing when a strong moment is being remembered and all it takes is for that song (or smell) to come again and that memory is fired back afresh.

As for Soft Cell – you won’t believe me but I didn’t really think of them as gay! Yeah I know – sheltered life.
However, its quite sweet how a bunch of manly heterosexual guys can all jump onto the dancefloor together for Tainted Love!
And if Marc Almond and Jimmy Sommerville dance like this – then we will too!
(So, here’s ‘I feel Love’ for all you lovers out there….)

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nice work @Bluesquaekpip, @scaryb and @juniperfish (and of course @craig all-praise-him).

that by-line made me laugh!
(and after a perusal of the Guardian blog, we need far more of that!)

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blimey @craig – lobs and multiple shots!

will need to listen to these to get proper replies!

But will start with the Orbital serve!
I’ve only got one EP/CD of theirs – Belfast – and I do like it. As you obviously know them well, a bit pointless replying with what I know of them(!).

So, in ping pong style I would try and find something else in it (eg Dr Who related) but… nothing springs to mind! (KLF has been erased from my mind).

So…. a coupla options. Either a piece of dance that uses beats and blips with warmth and beauty (ie something from Anokha: Soundz of the Asian Underground – this is really rather good) or something backhand backspin and based on Orbital’s love of weird headgear.

yep, had to go with this:

If you can get over the ridiculous opening (with “roadeyes” which is why I’m linking this!) then you have a bit of classic Neil Young!

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@craig – I also loved Road to Nowhere. It was great and props to you for buying it!
In shame I think the first single I bought was Money for Nothing!
Unfortunately I listened to their other stuff around that time and though I liked some (Blind springs to mind) I should’ve headed straight to their older stuff. ah well, made it a few years later!

As a response, I could be a bit obvious and put Sledgehammer (for the animated sequence in the videos) but seems a bit lazy and anyway, the Intruders at the Palace concert I mentioned above had David Byrne headlining with a brass band called Les Miserables.
This song is 2/3 of the way through their performance and is kinda the highlight, so if you’re a completist then head to the first track.
However, life is short so here’s “In the Future” which begins with some of the most beautiful poetry I have ever heard.

hope you enjoy it:

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