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@mudlark

I like your explanation of the Ruby’s timelines very much. And, as you say, it wasn’t explained how this could be done. Perhaps we will never find out, but that only leads to more theorizing so it’s a win either way.

I’m going to stop thinking about this in any more detail though, as there is surely a paradox in there, and tbh – like @juniperfish – my head is starting to ache.

And think of the stories your multi-generational ring could tell. There’s a DW ep right there.

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@janetteb

 It involved a white man who had a mesmerising influence over a group of people in some kind of space station with plants in it

I, too, have taken lots of drugs in the past. 🙂

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@craig

Thank you for posting the links – how inspiring, and what a terrific attitude from Rachel in the face of adversity.  Amazing indeed. And, as @juniperfish says, a lovely picture.

@devilishrobby

And to just add to the chorus of well wishers, and my hopes for your complete and speedy recovery.

Wonderful also to see others such as @mudlark and @thane16 freely sharing similar experiences, which I’m sure brings comfort.

I’m going to stop now before I get mawkish, and get back to bonkers theorising….

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@craig

as someone who wears his wedding ring on his right hand ever since his wife died

I’ve read this 3 times now and assuming I’m not being a giant arse and completely misunderstanding, my sincere condolences. And also, thank you for opening up. It’s a real compliment to the community here, one that you – more than anyone  has helped to foster. X

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@juniperfish

Yeah the timing of the corrected timeline is an interesting point and not one I’ve managed to reconcile yet. Similarly with the 73 yards thing. Why not 74 or 72 it some other number? RTD made a big deal about this in a pre ep interview (talking about having to pace it out on a pier to ensure the ep worked) but I am not seeing any significance atm.

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Best episode of the RTD2 era. Slightly different from where I thought it would go (I’d imagined a 3rd Doc Daemons-type gothic horror), but that’s a good thing.

A couple of observations:

1. The ep left a lot of loose ends, so hoping this is part of a plan, rather than RTD’s somewhat cavalier approach.

2. Lots of orange in the wardrobe choices. Not sure if this means anything but thought I’d point it out.

3. I was a bit confused by a  couple of things re the timeline. Firstly the confusion over Ruby’s ability to pay by phone in the pub. Was this just some, ahem, friendly Welsh bantering of an English person, or a glitch in the timeline? And £5 for a Coke!? Also the older Ruby appeared no older than younger Ruby. I assume this was deliberate, rather than lazy makeup choices.

4. The theme of abandonment is a clear(er) thread now.

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DW Finale (both parts) to be available for viewing in cinemas – UK only

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@dentarthurdent

Interesting (to me anyway) to see how the TV script formatting differs from movies.

Chrissie’s transcripts at Chakoteya.net.

I didn’t know about those. Thanks.very much.

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but here’s a link to a bunch of DW scripts 2005-2022.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/writers/scripts/whoniverse/doctor-who-2005-2022

Not every ep script is there, but it makes interesting reading, certainly for a script nerd like myself

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A thought on Mundy Flynn:

Flynn is old Irish meaning “descendent of the red-haired one”.  River had red hair. Just sayin’

And Ruby Red of course.

Also did I remember correctly that Mundy took the Doc’s Tardis key? Must be significant.

OK – three thoughts.

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@scaryb

Killer roombas, I like it! I recall an animated show “Love “Death and Robots” on Netflix and an episode called “Automated Customer Service” which has such a device. It’s adult animation with a mix of horror, sci-fi and comedy, and they explore some interesting themes. I’d recommend.

 I like the idea that the “enemy” doesn’t exist

I had the same initial feeling. Although I now think it would have been more powerful to have Villengard selling weapons to the “bad” side as well as the “good” side.  Showing a complete lack of any morals, and giving them a way to massively increase their income. Keep selling each side progressively better weaponry to alter which side was winning, thereby increasing the desperation of the losing side, and making them buy the next gen of weapons. Ad infinitum.  Double bubble as Del Boy might have said.

Although Moffat’s theme of blind faith would have needed some rethinking in the above scenario.

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@scaryb

a blinded (and blindfolded) soldier

I’ve been (over) thinking about this… how did he get injured? Presumably on the battlefield, but a battlefield with no enemies? Shrapnel from another mine perhaps.

Also were the mines invisible until stepped on? If so, that raises another question – at some point there was the Doc (already primed), and then Ruby, Splice and Mundy all within a few feet of invisible mines potentially, and all just moving around. Seems…reckless.

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@mudlark

When I nit-pick about such matters, as I tend to do here, it is usually in a spirit of mischief

As it should be @mudlark, as it should be.

I’m old enough to remember the winter of 1946/47

Blimey!

 

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@miapatrick

Bigger budgets, but yet, I don’t think it’s affected the contents

In a recent interview Moffat talked about budgetary constraints for this season, so it seems the writers’ ideas are outstripping the accountants’ ability to pay for them. As it ever was.

Interestingly, the first Doctor story The Edge of Destruction was a bottle ep, only written because the total Season 1 run was – at that point – two episodes short. David Whittaker, who wrote the scripts at short notice and in only two days, famously described the process as a nightmare.

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@mudlark

The inability of the ambulance AI to identify Ruby’s next of kin was clearly supposed to be significant

100% agree.

no documentary evidence and no DNA match

Does this imply Ruby has human DNA, because the researchers would have identified any anomaly? If so, it would kibosh some theories. Or does it mean that her DNA had no match because it was alien, thereby supporting said theories?

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@ps1l0v3y0u

Yeah, lots of previous themes and Moffat-isms.

This more rounded episode contrasted curiously with the 2 preceding. You would hope RTD is aware they were lacking and where. Will those stories be filled out or completed in the arc?

There was quite the contrast, and I’d say with all the previous eps right back to The Star Beast.

If RTD is aware of the problems with the first two stories, he is unlikely to have any opportunity to do anything about it now – we can only hope it is part of some wider plan of which we are, currently, unaware.  Given they’ve already started (finished?) filming season 2 / 41, then he would have limited opportunity to change direction there, unless he is going to write on-the-fly.

The pace of filming is interesting. I think it points to Gatwa moving on quite quickly. What it means for the next season is open to debate. Maybe RTD has a fully fleshed-out, season’s worth of stories or maybe he is having to write quickly due to other constraints. Given he got burn out last time, I do wonder how much appetite he will have for a third season if he’s under this much time pressure.

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<span class=”useratname”>@blenkinsopthebrave</span>

Re the payoff. There may not be one, it could just be an RTD joke. Hopefully not.

Some decent stuff in this episode. It felt very familiar, probably due to a lot of themes being re-purposed. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing.

As @craig said above, it was more Sci fi and dialled down the fantasy side which I also prefer. Some of the Sci part was best not being thought about too deeply, and I’m never a fan of the love conquers all ending (see also Closing Time)

I like the chamber piece episodes, as there is generally less running around and more thought.

Lots of mad theories already, and that’s great. On the Devil’s Chord thread I postulated that the whole season might be based in a Mind Robber-like Land of Fiction; this would help explain some of the anachronisms.

Odd to think we are almost halfway through this season already…

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Thought it was the best ep yet. But….I didn’t love it. A lot of old themes brought back.

That said, I thought it was the best performance by both Millle and Ncuti.

And more snow….

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@miapatrick @scaryb

I do wonder if all these little apparent errors and anachronisms are deliberate. Maybe the world we are watching is not our world but another. And not in an alternative universe type way. I am thinking back to what @janetteb said on one of the other forums in a discussion about the 2nd Doc ep The Mind Robber.

In that ep the Tardis lands in the Land of Fiction, which is inhabited by a character called The Master (not that one, another non TL guy, actually human IIRC), and a whole bunch of characters from fiction.

Is it possible that RTD has planned a similar thing here? We are looking at a fictional TV show set in a fictional world. And maybe even the Doc himself is a fictional character. Very meta and it would be controversial.

Or, Occams Razor and all that, its just probably mistakes….

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@juniperfish <waves back>

Thanks for the in-depth response. Very interesting and good points raised.

I do tend to agree that t’internet “borks” (i am stealing that btw) views and reviews for just the reasons you say. It’s a broader problem in most media online these days – sadly we are losing the ability to apply any sort of nuance. Another illustration of technology changing social behaviour. Performative anger is rarely helpful and often leads to non-performative anger IRL.

I think there was a groundswell of legacy fans that were expecting an immediate uptick in quality after Chibnall and a return to more RTD-type stories. Neither of which has happened, and hence **Backlash**

I’d imagine there are a lot of compromises being made and a lot of what RTD would like to do he may not be able to do, given the multitude of opinions he’ll have to deal with. I also imagine there is a lot more juggling to do than when he first rebooted with the BBC.  Even then, there was a lot of “the show’s ruined”, “It’s not DW” etc. The more things change eh?

But, people have a right to express an opinion and that should be valued, even if you or I don’t agree with it. After all people generally don’t complain about things they don’t care about. That said, it would be good if the complaints were considered before posting (ha!), and addressed the show itself, rather than just complaining about DEI. This is another complicated topic for another time (Pleasssseeee no WhoHar, I hear you all cry), but I think if things are viewed only through that lens, then it leads to certain outcomes and behaviours which are themselves problematic. If you think you’re a hammer, all you will see are nails…

Anyhoo, I’ve rambled on for far too long there.

This was nice from the interview (Ncuti on Doctor Who):

Doctor Who…is a special show that lives in people’s hearts. People have had it passed down to them. They watch it with their grandparents. It is a thing you have to care for

 

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@mudlark

This morning I skimmed the BTL comments on Martin Belam’s recap in the Guardian (depressingly negative as ever)

I, too, have ventured into that nether realm, and it is full of significantly more comments that don’t like the eps than those that do. A few “it’s all woke crap” remarks but not as many as I would have thought. Some decent points made from both viewpoints. And a surprisingly large number of posters there who think the show might not be for them anymore and so are likely to stop watching. Including Martin Belam.

My favourite quote from the comments:

Sorry but it was gobshite middle class brit masturbation

which made me actually laugh out loud.

I can’t decide if RTD is being remarkably clever here, and there is going to be a huge payoff at the end, or whether he is just taking the show in a new direction. I suspect it’s the latter.

I’ve seen a lot of comments online that RTD and Gatwa have been critical of the older (legacy) fans, but I’ve not been interested enough to find out a) if this is true, or b) what they said. Except I did see a US Youtuber saying that Gatwa had used the term “gammon” in one interview, and it wasn’t positively received in the US – possibly because the term would be imbued with racial overtones I guess.

Anyhoo, assuming it is all true, I wonder what’s driving this new level of interaction. It doesn’t seem like a positive development and I can’t see it having any good outcomes.

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@blenkinsopthebrave @ps1l0v3y0u

Yes, that’s a great line – from Day of the Daleks (?)

I was going to use that as my strapline on here but then I noticed, ahem, someone else had already claimed it.

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@juniperfish

Really interesting to hear his perspective on some of the episodes, particularly the ones he isn’t all that fond of. Interesting too, to hear about the budget constraints applying even now.

@janetteb

Second Doc? Did you hear a different rumour? That would also be great. And the Mind Robber is a good call thematically.

@ps1l0v3y0u

I find 3 a bit hard to take

Heresy

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Well, I watched this last night. Trajectory is upwards I’d say.  Still seemed aimed at a younger age group though.

A few random points, and apologies if they’ve been covered elsewhere.

The two leads grew into the roles a bit I thought, especially Ncuti Gatwa. Definitely seeing a bit more “Doctor” in his performance, probably because he had a bit more to work with.

Early on, Ruby says to the Doc something along the lines of “but you never hide”. Clearly he does, as in the previous episode. Late change to episode order perhaps?

I was a bit mystified by the alternate timeline. If Maestro did their thing in 1925, then why did the modern era not change immediately? It only seemed to change when the Doctor took Ruby “back” to see the updated 2024.

And, RTD clearly missed a trick here. If they were looking for the lost chord, then surely it would have made sense for the Doctor to get Les Dawson to play the piano. QED.

 

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@blenkinsopthebrave

I hope it’s substantial whatever they do. I’ve a real soft spot for the 3rd, and for Pertwee. Fingers crossed.

The DW team do seem to keep dropping these hints. Apparently Moffat’s ep (next) refs back to a classic story. Don’t know which one.  The only landmine I can think of was Baker standing on one in Genesis, other than the “Handmine” ep (also Moffat).

After what’s occurred so far, I am tempering my expectations, but Moffat’s stories when RTD was showrunner originally are some of my favourites, so holding out a bit of hope for an uptick. I still haven’t watched The Devil’s Chord, but probably will. And I know I’ll be tuning in for eps 3, 7 & 8 for sure. So I will likely watch the whole of this quite short series, and then assess if it’s still for me. If I don’t enjoy an ep, my writer’s brain does tend to kick in and dissect the structure, dialogue etc, probably a bit too harshly sometimes.

Yes, that huge bath.  Eons ago, it seems. And the only reason I was away from this site for so long, was because I was cleaning the bloody thing. 🙂

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@blenkinsopthebrave

Interesting story, particularly the fact that Moffat himself actually coded the names of the two eps he’s written when he made his announcement. Maybe there are others in there?

Also interesting that there is a guest star as the one-off companion.

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Season’s finale discussion:

The final two parts of the season will be based around UNIT HQ, and there will be a Third Doctor tie-in.

RTD said this apparently, but I only heard it second hand, so cannot vouch for its veracity.

Tie-in is pretty vague – could be anything from a mention or finding his old Sonic, right up to a returning monster buried under UNIT HQ. Hoping it’s something at the more substantial end.

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@ps1l0v3y0u

Are any of those scenarios worse?

Well I don’t know. But the fact that you are not holding this ep up in comparison to say, Blink, or Genesis, or The Daemons speaks volumes.  I’d love this reboot to work, I really would

After the thin gruel from Chibnall, its tempting to assume anything is better. Clearly not. And I day that as someone who thinks Chibnall’s Who was witless, charmless and senseless.

There’s always been an element of “getting the band back together” vibes about this reboot. And it’s never as good. Never. But to see this travesty, we’ll I am shocked. No not shocked, saddened. It’s garbage.

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@ps1l0v3y0u

Ask yourself this: if Saward or Chibnall had written this, would your view be any different?

DW has always ripped stuff off and given it its own twist. And that’s OK. But to say that ep didn’t rework its own ideas is just incorrect. It’s a wholesale rip off of Amy’s story, down to the TARDIS body scan. Maybe it will play out differently but so far it is rehashing old ideas.

 

 

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<span class=”useratname”>@ps1l0v3y0u</span>

Horses for courses and all that, and I’m glad you liked it.

I thought, genuinely, it was one of the worst DW eps I’ve seen.

No plot, no structure, exposition heavy dialogue, no tension, with some in your face social commentary thrown over the top. And that’s before we get to the premise, the creepy babies, the lack of any kind of sense in the plot, and, I hate to be THAT guy, the disregard for basic physics in service of the (let’s call it a) story.

Seemed like a first draft written by an enthusiastic amateur.

A mess in other words.

Since the show rebooted, I’ve enjoyed 1 / 5 eps (WBY, if you’re interested). And that’s about the rating I’d give this ep. And that’s me being generous.

At this rate, I will stop watching in the same way I did with the D+ Star Wars and Marvel offerings.

DW D+. Seems about right.

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@devilishrobby

Understand your point but ep comments should be for comments on the episode, unfiltered imo. People should just avoid that forum if they’re concerned about spoilers. I live in Aus and I learned to just not look at t’internet prior to watching a show I’m interested in.

Now Disney have done a simultaneous worldwide release, it means everywhere except the US have to be alert for spoilers, whereas for Doctor Who, the UK were in that privileged position. Brave New World and all that…

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<div class=”bbp-reply-author”><span class=”useratname”>@blenkinsopthebrave @craig</span></div>
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<div>It’s a simultaneous worldwide release. In Aus it dropped at 9am AEST.</div>
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<div>I suggest opening a page as soon as is practicable for you Craig, but don’t go missing out on your beauty sleep. People will soon figure out not to go there prior to watching. It’s what everyone not in the UK has been doing for a while now.</div>
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<div>Just part of the Disney influence I guess…</div>

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@scaryb

For once, we here in Aus 🇦🇺  have a time advantage over the UK 🇬🇧 so I’ve likely watched Space Babies before all of you guys. I’ve already posted my thoughts on the ep page, so don’t go there before you watch (spoilers sweeties).

Enjoy the drinks.

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Absolutely dreadful.

Budget up, script down it seems.

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Seems like I am going against the grain here but I thought it was awful. Huge plot holes and weak characterisation. Not feeling the love for Ruby from this showing. I did like Cherry though.

I’m not a fan of the Christmas Specials generally, so will assume this is going to be an outlier….

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@everyone,

Well, it’s that time of the year again.

Regardless of your belief system, or whether you think it’s the most wonderful time of the year, a consumerist nightmare full of enforced jollity, or struggle to cope due to illness, being differently abled, neuro divergent, or just have bad memories of this time of year, I think there is still a message we can all get behind. So, I’d just like to say:

Peace on Earth and Good will to all.

And Pro Tip: take some time out to relax during this hectic period. The best time being between Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve, or the Merryneum as it’s now known.

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@oochillyo

Hi Declan,

Thanks for reaching out. I’d like to reiterate what’s been said above, especially Craig who gave you some contact details of various organisations.

It sounds like you have multiple issues going on (your health, your family’s health, safety concerns over your property…). As much as we’d all like to help here, in reality you need to talk to some professionals to help you solve your immediate concerns, as well as any long-term issues. I cannot stress this enough.

I don’t speak for the Forum, but I’d say don’t worry about your multiple posts – posting is obviously helping you get through your day, and that’s a good thing.

Things can quickly become / seem overwhelming. What I find helps is to centre myself – you can do this several ways:

– meditation, or just deep breath and gather your thoughts;

– go outside / change your environment if only for 10 minutes – somewhere quiet can help here. You like nature, so finding somewhere more bucolic can help. If not, find a park, a tree…..; this can help stop a negative spiral.

– making a list of your current concerns is also helpful: it organises your thoughts, helps prioritise things, and it gives you something to tick off when you’ve done the task / solved the issue – remarkably therapeutic.  I did this just yesterday and it worked a treat.  YMMV.

Obviously, this being Christmas, if you’re making a list make sure you check it twice. 🙂

– focus on what’s good – I realise this isn’t always easy,  but it can be helpful: you are with family, Molly is there etc.

I hope the above helps, at least somewhat, and that you get some peace. Merry Christmas Declan.

 

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Some talk about Helena Bonham Carter joining Who.

Apparently RTD on R2 Jo Whiley show: “She’s [HBC] been offered and madam was too busy but not this time”

If true, who d’ya reckon she’ll be playing? Hopefully a new villain…..

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@oochillyo

Hi Declan,

Not much to add to the advice and support offered by the lovely people here (@ps1l0v3y0u, @juniperfish, @craig, and of course Grandma @winston ).

However, it does seem like we are online at the same time quite alot, (Maybe even same time zone), so feel free to reach out if you need a chat, and I’ll try to respond in a timely manner (I noticed your posts yesterday but was out and working, so couldn’t respond).

 

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@ juniperfish @craig

+1 to that suggestion.

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@ps1l0v3y0u

See above….

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<span class=”useratname”>@ps1l0v3y0u</span>

I had some issues with posting on there also.

Yeah, there are lots of options but Chibnall didn’t really seem all that interested. Like you say,  maybe he wasn’t allowed. In that case he should have argued better or walked away.

I’m sure, given sometime and thought any number of people on here could come up with a decent female-led story, so it’s strange that the lead writer of Who didn’t. Is all I’m saying.

Re the Who historicals: I thought the Chibnall one’s leant very heavily into the historical and bolted on the Who part, which I find very unsatisfying.

I much prefer a Who story where the outcome affects history, but in a way we already kind of know about. E.g the spaceship exploding at the end of City of Death being the trigger for life on Earth, or the other crash that started the Great Fire of London, that sort of thing.

To end on a positive Chibnall note: that bit in Rosa where Graham realises he is the one that Rosa Parkes is being asked to move for, was just lovely acting. The look on Bradley Walsh’s face spoke volumes. I suspect that was down to Walsh’s acting rather than Chibnall’s writing (ok, so not all that positive then).

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Seems like a Christmas special idea right here:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/dec/17/elf-on-the-shelf-trend-likened-to-poltergeist-visits-as-parents-feel-social-media-pressure

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Wild Danish Blue Yonder

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@juniperfish @ps1l0v3y0u

A Gouda Man Goes to War

The Parting of the Wheys

Captain Colby Jack Harkness

 

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@whisht

As I was watching, I wondered if the cut cards would yield anything meaningful. When the 8 Clubs came up, I was a bit stumped, but knew someone here would have an in-depth view.

For my part, it seemed to be a bit of foreshadowing, and with “Eight” sounding like “Ate” and a Club looking a bit like a Brassica, my suspicions were confirmed right at the end, when Cauliflower Cheese was served up at the meal. Expect this dish to turn out to be the Big Bad of 15’s first season. 🙂

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@vickymallard

Hello, and welcome.

My assumption from watching the ep was that the Bi-generation allowed 15 to “shed” all his angst, leaving it in 14, which then 14 would work through in his (more) sedentary retirement. And 14 would not be able to regen / bi-gen again, so would age “normally” and presumably die of old age / accident or illness at some point in the future. This new era is meant to be a soft reboot, so that makes sense, in my head at least.

Regarding every previous regeneration being a bi-generation, then I don’t really have a definitive answer here. I understand RTD2 said this, but there is no in-show evidence (yet) that the previous regens were bi-gens. If anything the in-show dialogue seemed to go against this. I’d have to watch it again but 15 (?) made a comment along the lines of “I’ve heard this [bi-gen] was a possibility but….”, from which I infer the bi-gen was a) unusual, and b) never experienced by the Doc before.

Your analysis of the implications of every regen being a bi-gen highlights a number of problems with this in terms of in-show DW logic, and I don’t have any answers that make sense (yet!). I’m sure the Collective will come up with something though….

 

@oblique

I think this is the BBC not having the courage of its convictions when casting a black lead. The casting is well overdue anyway and smacks of tokenism

I am intrigued by this comment, particularly the first part. While I can easily envisage a situation where 14 sticks around, with a spin-off (assuming lots of boring stuff like: is the actor up for it, do they have the budget for it, who would be assigned to write it etc….is sorted out), in reality they could have brought Tennant back as 10 at any time., and still could. OK, he’s aged somewhat but this can be “handwaved and vibed” away quite easily in-story. I think the reason for the creative decision to do a split like the bi-gen was to give the soft reboot a fresh-ish slate to work with, and that’s all.

I’d be surprised if the BBC thought a black Doctor would drive audiences away, even with the ratings experience they had with a female lead. If anything, I’d say that RTD2 is more of a recognition that the stories that 14 had to work with did not engage well with the audience. The Doc’s gender then just became a stick that some of t’Internet thought they could use to beat the show with. As for tokenism, I think there’s plenty of evidence that the BBC have not done that here (being sensitive to the changing audience is not the same thing).

 

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@juniperfish

“…Sheer campery”

from Eccleston. I’m definitely using that.

Great video – they are still obviously very fond of each other.

Loving Chris’s fondness / nostalgia for his Northern, working-class roots. I’d love to have a couple of pints and a chat with him – not about DW per se, but I bet he’s fascinating to talk with.

I’ve read about the behind-the-scenes discord on the show during Eccleston’s time – and Eccleston mentions several names here. Pretty bluntly it has to be said. Is there a definitive article somewhere that explains what actually went on?

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@phaseshift

That’s a really interesting, informative, and well written piece. Thanks.

Lots of gems of info in there; the Jasper Carrott – Doctor Who link seems like it should be an obscure pub quiz question (or perhaps a Q in T’Other place’s Thursday Quiz – run, if you weren’t aware, by the G’s #1 Doctor Who fan Martin Belam.)

The point you made about class representation is well made here. I’ve just read @jimthefish ‘s substack article on the politics/representation in DW, I am thinking that “poor people” are another demographic that have traditionally been badly represented in (recent) television, so kudos to Who for bucking that trend somewhat.

And there’s a broader issue in that poverty is a discriminator that is not talked about in the wider media (although the G did have a piece a few months ago), and is as significant in some cases as gender or racial discrimination.

But I am getting a bit heavy for this thread perhaps….

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@blenkinsopthebrave

One of the most bizarre DW-related clips I’ve seen. And with Jabba the Hut Goblin King no less.

Christmas is going to be…interesting.

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