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29 April 2013 at 03:47 #7117
It’s a different Tardis.
29 April 2013 at 00:57 #7110There was one poster on there who used to unfavourably review each ep and then always end the post with “it was much better when the gays were in charge”.
29 April 2013 at 00:20 #7108Tend to agree – my thoughts turned to Castrovalva too. I’m rationalising it by assuming “infinite” is figurative not literal, a bit like when someone says “everybody”.
The Eye of Harmony is not such a big issue for me – the Doc could have moved it as part of the Time Lock – this works well with my earlier post that the Tardis is the time lock.
28 April 2013 at 23:36 #7104I had similar thoughts about time leaking both ways. Maybe that’s all it is but I do wonder if it will be revisited.
28 April 2013 at 23:26 #7103Posted this on JttCotT but should be here really:
Just posted this on the G:
What if it was the 1st Doctor that escaped the Time War and engineered the Time Lock and therefore all subsequent Doctors (up to and including the 8th) are merely constructs designed to throw his enemies off the scent of who / where / when he really is.
Has Moffat got the cajones to do that?
28 April 2013 at 23:24 #7102Just posted this on the G:
What if it was the 1st Doctor that escaped the Time War and engineered the Time Lock and therefore all subsequent Doctors (up to and including the 8th) are merely constructs designed to throw his enemies off the scent of who / where / when he really is.
Has Moffat got the cajones to do that?
28 April 2013 at 22:07 #7096Realising the similarity with part of @haveyoufedthefish ‘s posts. CHECK.
Three further points.
Why couldn’t Clara touch the other Doctor? The one who seemed suspended and not in this world / time stream?
I also thought the cloth was perhaps parchment – a leaf out of the Time War book. A leaf with the Doc’s name on it. A leaf containing all future possibilities. Oh well.
If the Tardis is infinite, maybe it contains more than we imagine. Like Gallifrey. Or perhaps the Tardis is the Time Lock, keeping the war isolated from the rest of the universe. But what happens to all that when the Tardis explodes?
28 April 2013 at 22:03 #7095@juniperfish / Juniperchips
Ah ha! There you are
@holymackerel
– all hail Omega-Fish etc. 🙂Shouldn’t that be Omega3-fish? 😉
28 April 2013 at 13:37 #7038Grreat visuals – loved the library, I would just stay in there for ever. CHECK.
Good performances from the mains. CHECK.
Some snappy dialogue. CHECK
Nice refs. to previous Docs, assistants and episodes. CHECK
But something off about the ep. for me. Not sure what. I am…conflicted.
One thing I can out my finger on as strange: why did the Doc let Clara – someone who he is still so unsure about – fly the Tardis, and with the defences down? If it was supposed to be a test, it seems reckless in the extreme.
27 April 2013 at 07:06 #6815Happy to donate said bath – free, gratis and for nothing. The problem – at this late stage in proceedings – is the time it takes to fill the bloomin thing.
27 April 2013 at 06:58 #6813Funnily enough, virtually the first thing I said was “well that’s not much like the 1970’s”. I put it down to the set / wardrobe designers.
I think candles were used during the power outages – stuck to a small saucer though. Not quite a grand as a candlarbra. Maybe @chickenelly can ask her grandmother about it.
27 April 2013 at 06:47 #6812@phileasf. Your idea about the Daleks hacking the Doc right back would.work very well as an explanation for Clara – she’s a Dalek construct trying to infiltrate the Doc. Maybe the first two Clara’s were early versions of the Dalek virus that failed (died).
Need to consider this further.
27 April 2013 at 06:42 #6811Great post on AotD. Lots to mull over.
I think it was my post – regarding the direction when Oswin first realised she was a Dalek.
I’ve said elsewhere that Moffat tends to set things up in the first ep of a run, so the Dalekisation of the Doc sans bracelet would make alot of sense as a theory as to why he’s acting like he is. It remains my favourite to date. How Clara fits in to all this still needs some work IMHO.
26 April 2013 at 12:32 #6722We’ll take up @scaryb ‘s suggestion but all you fishy types have to take the “fish” out of your names and replace it with, oh I don’t know, say “chips”. Seems fair don’t you think?
26 April 2013 at 12:28 #6721But this would be actual brother-sister. I’ve zero evidence for this apart from the way the Doc and Clara interacted (at least initially). It was all snappy comebacks and attempts at oneupmanship.
Probably won’t happen but you can bet I’ll pounce on any vague notion of a hint that supports it 🙂26 April 2013 at 12:13 #6718If they are brother and sister as per my completely forgotten ( 🙁 ) bonkers theory, then it makes the Doc and Clara a bit Luke and Leia.
26 April 2013 at 11:57 #6716@bluesqueakpip
If you post your Nu TL theory on the G blog, I think it would probably give some of the “Nu Who bad, Old Who great” crowd an anuerism. Obviously that’s a good enough reason to do it.26 April 2013 at 11:26 #6709@phaseshift @bluesqueakpip @scaryb
Over on the G blog a while back, someone suggested I change my name to WhoHalibut. The nerve of some people.
26 April 2013 at 11:19 #6707Unlikely to be a Dalek I agree. If nothing else, having suckers makes it difficult to hold a pen. :-). Imagine their version of the book though: 950 pages of ‘Exterminate’, but ending with the word ‘Bug-ger’.
Other options are The Master or possibly River. Alternatively, it could have fallen out of the time lock at some point.
If there is a code needed to open the book, it will be interesting to see if Clara is the one to open it.
26 April 2013 at 09:57 #6702I’m wondering who wrote the book that features in the next ep. I would have thought only a limited no. of beings would have the requisite knowledge to compile said.tome
26 April 2013 at 02:27 #6689Liking this idea that Amy is the mother of all Time Lords – ties up a lot of loose ends which was my main hope for this series, resulting in the 50th Anniversary being a new beginning. A regeneration if you will, but of Doctor Who the television show.
On a related note, what if the multi-Tardii collision knocked Doc 11’s Tardis off course and he ended up in little Amelia’s garden thereby precipitating the events that lead up to the multi-Tardii collision which mean Doc 11 is knocked off course….It would be a typical piece of wibbly -wobbly, timey-wimey, er Moffaty-Woffaty-ness.
Also @SomeoneUpstreamAndI’mBuggeredIfI’mGoingToTrawlThroughAllThat.
Well.done on the River two-hearts spot. But, since she gave the Doc the last of her regeneration energy in LKH, does that mean one has now stopped?
25 April 2013 at 11:48 #6640@bkueaqueakpip @htpbdet @whisht
If the Doc’s name is so powerful, why haven’t one of the Time Lords already invoked it? Someone on Gallifrey must know it.
Also, the Master knows that “The Doctor” is a title, from which I infer he knows / may know the Doc’s true name.
All these “Doctor Who” jokes in script may be.just that. Jokes. And nothing more.significant.
25 April 2013 at 10:46 #663925 April 2013 at 04:38 #6634@lula RP = Received Pronunciation aka BBC
English.The sort of accent the BBC newsreaders have.
24 April 2013 at 04:49 #6550Hello @blenkinsopthebrave.
Good to hear from you.
Yes I am safely esconced in the Colonies in a very southern city. Quite liking the natives and their, ahem, forthright talk.
I sold the outdoor privy at WhoHar hall to a couple of guilable Americans who’d previously bought London Bridge. Using the proceeds I plan to disassemble the main building (Old Sexy I call her), ship it over here and rebuild. Once Fortescue has labelled all the bricks he will indeed be joining me along with the rest of the staff and animals.
The chattels will arrive soon, including the bath, so very much looking forward to that.
Yes the 4th wall theory seems to be out of favour of late but perservere. Remember only dead fish swim with the stream.
24 April 2013 at 04:05 #6548Liking the What’s in the Tardis game. My list:
A television with An Unearthly Child on constant loop. 100 pts.
Copies of all the lost DW episodes. 200 pts.
Lee Harvey Oswald’s rifle. 500 pts.
Wally. 1000 pts.
It’s a bit quiet on the nightshift. It was either make this list or talk to my friend Edward again and he’s not much of a conversationalist. Then again, he’s a potato.
24 April 2013 at 03:05 #6545There is a general level of twattery on the Guardian blog now which is disappointing.
I too am very anti the anti-American comments which I find to be quite offensive and ignorant. Most of those posters prob never been to the US let alone lived there (I have btw, loved it) so are not commenting from a position of authority IMHO. They would be known here as “tossers” (“dickwads” perhaps in US terms).
Btw the Carlisle / Carlyle quote is not common in Uk parlance to my knowledge, which is why it has been the subject of much talk.
24 April 2013 at 02:54 #6544@juniperfish. Three Tardii. Bloody hell.
Now then. The opening scenes in Eleventh Hour.always struck me as odd. Why was the Tardis seemingly exploding immediately post regeneration. At the time I put it down to some kind of symbiotic link with the Doc but not a very satisfactory explanation.
Your idea would give a more robust reason.
To which: does the latest Tardis design begin with BoSJ ie the first “modern Clara” ep. If so then maybe this is another version of the Tardis. Did the Doc refer to his current age anywhere this series? He’s meant to be how old now? 1200? If it is different now maybe this is another clue.
Too many loose ends….
23 April 2013 at 09:01 #6446@IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan
Now I’m really conflicted reb LA Conf. Shall I shan’t I… 🙂
23 April 2013 at 08:16 #6441Thanks for the tip – I’ll take LA Conf off my list.
I liked the layers in THoTR but it was a tough read.
23 April 2013 at 07:52 #6433@bluesqueakpip – I know very little about dyslexia except the hackneyed “I get my wucking mords fuddled”. I heard it allows some people the ability to think / imagine real well in 3D but it always struck me as a very frustrating condition. BTW I always want to type your name as Bluepipsqueak – not sure if that’s relevant.
Anyway, I suspect you are right – my Catholic upbringing leads me to find religious metpahors where there are none. If I apply Occam’s Razor for a moment and assume Rose referes to the companion, thenhow does that fit in with the overall story arc and specifically, how does Clara fit in with Rose, if at all?
23 April 2013 at 07:35 #6430Someone upstream (sorry can’t remember who) mentioned that Clara may have been inthe Tardis when it exploded, fracturing her across time and space. Two comments on that:
1. What if Clara was the cause of the explosion? ie maybe it’s only a single Tardis explosion with Clara was on board somewhere she shouldn’t have been.
2. If so, how did she get to that forbidden place?
I kind of like the fact that Clara caused the explosion and was scattered as a consequence but still prefer the two Tardis collision theory (with Doc 10’s Tardis coming back from the alt dimension he dropped 10.5 and Rose in). Only problem with two Tardis collision theory is that Tardis’s have an anti-collision defence don’t they? Maybe Clara turned it off?
Well this post is rambling and conflicted…
23 April 2013 at 07:24 #6428@Shazzbot Sorry, realised I’d criticised one of your fav movies. I guess if I’d seen it and not read the book then I would have thought it was OK but, once I’ve read a book I never, ever think the movie is up to much. Loved LA Confidential though…
23 April 2013 at 07:04 #6427Hey @bluesqueakpip
I posted a similar “Name of the Rose” comment over on the 50th thread., although not in so much detail as your in-depth analysis. Just to go off topic a bit – I read the book, after a recommendation, several years ago now. I enjoyed it very much but it took me about 100 pages to get into it, perhaps because there was a lot of Latin in there and my knowledge is not really up to scratch. Pleased that I perservered though. The film? Not so much.
Also, Name of the Doctor is very similar to Name of the Father…we’d just need the Son and the Holy Spirit. Three-into-one again.
22 April 2013 at 12:17 #6368@scaryb – once the bath is installed I’ll be having a bring your own bottle (of bubble bath) party – all welcome.
ORM (Other Random Musings): For the 50th, I don’t think the Valeyard will make a reappearance. No real evidence, except Moffat has already kiboshed the 13 regen rule, so there seems little urgency in bringing that storyline back.
Moffat tends to set things up in the first ep of the new season / series, then goes off at a tangent for a while before bringing it back to the main thread. It depends on which ep we take as the first show of this series, but the options I see are:
a) The Doc is going to be Dalekised (if AotD is the first show)
b) The GI is going to be involved, possibly mindwiping the Doc (if the Snowmen / BoSJ is the first show)Or possibly both will get a look in. At what point this occurs is beyond me at this time, but my guess is a mahoosive cliffhanger for the end of this series, which segues (get me) into the 50th Anniversary special.
As I’ve already mentioned on the G, I’m genuinely excited to know what’s going to happen next week and I’ve not felt like that about DW for ages. To borrow a fishy expression, I’m giddy as a kipper!
22 April 2013 at 05:25 #6341Good to have you back. As you may have gathered I am now in your neck of the woods and therefore working the night shift. It’s been a bit lonely so hoping you can give me some tips on how to adapt 🙂
Good news is that the bath and some other chattels will soon arrive and I’ll be able to wallow and ponder.
My latest bonkers theory (for which I have zero evidence) is that Clara is the Docs sister. This is a bit Luke-Leia I admit, but DW often pays tribute/ rips off other shows. And Smith and Coleman do have that kind of brother-sister dynamic on screen.
22 April 2013 at 05:09 #6338Welcome to all the new posters / members:
I’m tending to let all the theories wash over me at the moment – like waves on a beach (or ripples in an improbably large bath). Occasionally one wave will hit me hard and make me sit up.
Currently being battered from all sides (sorry probably shouldn’t use the “b” word with all these fish about). My head’s swimming and I’m out of my depth and out of watery metaphors.
I do feel there is some game changing piece of information to be revealed, though which will make us all re-evaluate. Hopefully next week.
Anyone seen @danmartin yet?
22 April 2013 at 01:47 #6336Interesting last ep title which may lead into the 50th:
The Name of the Doctor is reminiscent of The Name of the Rose.
Just throwing that one out there.
18 April 2013 at 00:45 #6009They are both conspicious by their absence for sure.
I’ve had issues accessing the site in the last hour , thankfully now resolved.
Dan M is reviewing the Sea Devils in the Classic Ep. slot which should be of particular interest to you.
17 April 2013 at 23:49 #6003This is true. I wonder though where Ten would have ended up, given that Eleven was outside “our” Universe after he flew the Pandorica into the exploding Tardis/Tardis’s. Maybe the back end of Ten’s time will be retconned?
17 April 2013 at 22:21 #5991Night shift signing in (where’s @blenkinsopthebrave and @bobbingbird when you need them).
I had a similar thought to @htpbdet re the two Tardis’s only I wondered if Ten had collided with Eleven’s Tardis on the way to/from the alt universe where he dropped Rose & Doc 10.5 off. This would precipitate the Big Bang. There are problems with this, not least being that Doc 11 would remember that incident as it was in his past?
Loving the potential Evil of the Daleks tie in.
@thommck
Would like to see Susan reappear (or some other throwback to the first ep) but I still need some more positive in-show proof.16 April 2013 at 12:31 #5755Thanks for the summary.
Glad someone else mentioned Evil of the Daleks.
As I posted earlier, I’m coming round to the “Doclek” idea more and more.
Not sold on the Clara as Idris idea, though it does have its attractions. Surely the TARDIS would react quite violently everytime Clara stepped aboard.
There also appears to be no evidence to suggest Susan will make a return bar a few grandfather references.
So that leaves 1 & 2 as the main options with 7 as an outside bet. There is of course 8 – Moffat does something completely different.
Jekyll & Hyde. Hmmm. I seem to remember a series a few years ago called Jekyll that was a modern take on that story. The writer was one S. Moffat.
16 April 2013 at 08:31 #5729“an amused chuckle, a twinge of envy, (I wish I’d thought of that), or dismay..”
Probably all three.
16 April 2013 at 00:59 #5719@phileasf. Good post.
I was a bit skeptical about the Dalek-isation of the Doc for a couple of reasons:
First it’s been attempted before in Evil of the Daleks (kind of), although the Daleks did not know what they were doing.
Secondly it didn’t seem to make logical sense. In AotD both the Doc and Amy were exposed to the nanos, so why didn’t Amy become infected to. However, on rewatching AotD I realised that we do not know when Amy was given the protective bracelet by the Doc. She may have had it on the whole time she was on the planet (except for a minute or two before the Doc found out).
It also seems to me that they could have left that whole thread out of the ep and it would still have worked (with some relatively minor changes). It may have diminished the impact of Rory-Amy’s marriage crisis however.
So I’m coming round to this as my #1 Bonkers theory.
Is this Moffat laying a mah-oosive clue in AotD as to how this season will play out? I see parallels to TIA in the setup here, albeit more subtle.
14 April 2013 at 12:39 #5505Only just seen this, so I’ll add my two pence worth. Not read any reviews or comments and I’ve not even been near the Guardian blog, so I feel like a bit of a turncoat. Anyway.
My favourite Gatiss ep. Nicely claustraphobic and moved the Ice Warriors on well, although it took a while to warm up (NPI). Could have done with a bit more exposition up front – why was the Ice Warrior in the Arctic, how did he get there, how did the Russians find him? Then there was the young Russian submariner who decided to melt the ice with the blowtorch / welding tool. What on earth possessed him to do that? He was a trained soldier, under the command of an unforgiving regime and he just “decided” to melt the ice. Hmmm. The real reason wasn’t curiosity but numerical; the restriction of 45 minute eps. This story would hav been even better as a two-parter.
But after a slightly inauspiscious start, things rapidly improved and the ep turned into Alien on a Submarine. David Warner gave good value as a music-loving scientist, particularly “Vienna” – I’m ignoring the Duran Duran reference. I was just waiting for him to be dragged through the door hatch he was sitting on when he was talking to Clara. That conversation was odd too – she was very non-comittal when he asked her about her life. Is she hiding something?
Liam Cunningham was convincing but sadly underused.
Oh, and I liked the fact that the Russians didn’t have accents.
Once the Ice Warrior had escaped his suit, the ep. reminded of old Who – in a good way. A sudden movement across screen here , a hint of a colour of a something there, a scaly claw coming into shot. The reveal was good, although it did remind me a bit of a large Gremlin.
The Doc was back to his non-violent advocacy. And I thought he was going to kiss Clara at the end.
Enjoyable, as evidenced by the fact that it went by too quickly.
I’m off to post this on the Guardian website and to read all the trolling bs.
14 April 2013 at 03:42 #5463Just watched this again. There’s a lovely bit of direction in there: when Oswin realises she’s a Dalek there’s a shot of her half in shadow, so you can only see one eye. When she overcomes the Dalek conditioning and lets the Doc escape, retaining some humanity, we can see both her eyes again. Simple, subtle and clever.
14 April 2013 at 03:36 #5461@haveyoufedthefish
Maybe River realised she couldn’t tell him. Major Spoilers and all that.Hmm Major Spoilers – I can imagine him / her working for UNIT.
13 April 2013 at 07:34 #5289Ravenwood is am interesting choice of name. I did wonder if they were referencing Edgar Allan Poe. Look out for cries of Nevermore in the next few eps.
13 April 2013 at 07:30 #5287@The_Buns
Welcome and good deyective work on the Latin. The words are difficult to read though.and I can’t decide whether it is an r or an n. I did wonder if that date was a Friday as there have been a couple of alterations to the default calendar and some re-baselining of the dates. In the 16th (?) Century the powers decided to remove some days leading to riots by some parts of the population who believed that they had lost actual days from their life.
@haveyoufedthefish
I had another look at my “suffixes”. They do look like commas so coords do make sense. Stonehenge isn’t near any of these points is it?12 April 2013 at 12:35 #5213My first thought was that the numbers were dates (from – to) but not so sure now.
They each have 8 digits.although the first set appear to have a suffix of some kind.
They could also be an equation if the “-” is a minus – I can’t read them well enough to “do the math”. Maybe it’s Moffat’s original budget request minus the BBC’s proposed cost?
I did wonder if they were refs to DW eps. but think Classic Who used A, B, C notation for the stories going to AAAA (or 4A) 4B etc. as the series progressed. Not sure about NuWho though.
They could also be telephone numbers (eg intra state nos. in Aus) but no idea why.
More questions than answers I’m afraid.
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