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  • #63291

    @ddoherty95

    Three answers:

    1. Peter Cushing (the satirical response)

    2. Everything that @janetteb and @winston said. Because they are right.

    3. For me…it will always be William Hartnell, because I was 12 years old when I saw him in the very first episode, “An Unearthly Child”, in 1964 (it was Australia, so we ran a bit behind the BBC) and nothing…nothing…can compare to that experience.

     

    #63258

    @bluesqueakpip

    Oh, there is a lot of material there that could lead to a recurring appearance: the Gunpowder Plot, the rise of the witchcraft trials, his proposal of an absolutist theory of monarchy. My personal favourite would be a story about the Statutes of Iona, and the campaign to eradicate the Gaelic language, which was opposed by the Earl of Orkney, Patrick Stewart (who James imprisoned), and who could be played by…Patrick Stewart!

    #63253
    #63233

    Well, this just keeps getting better and better! One of the great things about these early historical stories, including my distant and rather fragmentary memory of “Marco Polo” was that, when separated from the Tardis, and set in the past, there had to be greater attention to the story (as opposed to the wonder of the sci-fi elements). And as a story, this is a ripper! It has mystery, intrigue, action, power plays, and…romance from a very unexpected quarter! Crikey, there is something almost Shakespearean about this episode!

    And it is heading towards a cracker of a conclusion!

     

    #63180

    Wow! Just…wow! It was like being 13 again! Why do I think this is such a great Who story? The main thing to keep in mind when answering that question is to appreciate it in context. It was not made for 13 year-olds (or 63 year-olds) in 2018. It was made for 13 year-olds in 1964.  To be a 13 year-old in 1964 was to have been someone who watched movies like “The Vikings” with Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis at a Saturday afternoon matinee at the local cinema. It was to watch William Russell fight nobly just as he did as Sir Lancelot on the TV serial “The Adventures of Sir Lancelot” a few years earlier.

    To watch it as that 13 year-old in 1964, it was to have the history classes that you had at school brought to life,and in a way that was not condescending, but in a way where you understood a different culture, where people were both good and bad, wise and foolish (just like the one you were growing up in). It was to see the adults (like Barbara and like the Doctor) as both wise and foolish. It was to be shown that figures of authority (like the Doctor) were not infallible, but were still awe-inspiring.

    And to watch it in 2018, one could be awe-struck by the degree to which William Hartnell could actually carry off his dialogue really quite well in the early years of the show!

    OK, now I will stop running around the sofa, and try and calm  down and wait the long wait for next week’s episode!

    #63156

    @thewatcher Actually, I had not thought of that, but I understand your point, given “The Five Doctors” in particular.

    On the other hand, it did not explicitly rule out the possibility that he had met his future incarnations (I think) just that he had not met the 12th.

    But, nonetheless, I take your point. It may be an an example of what Mrs Blenkinsop says to me when I raise a question like this: “You’re not supposed to think about that.”

     

    #63131

    Ahh, “The Aztecs”. This was why I fell in love with show at the age of 13. The whole idea of engaging with different cultural assumptions in a historical context was a revelation to me at that age. I am certain it was one of the reasons I would end up pursuing academic life.

    Watching it again, I am still impressed by how it made thoughtful points about history and culture in a way that was relatable to children, like me, who would have been watching it back in the mid-60s. Also, watching it now, I realise that what it did in this story, although gradually (and alas) forgotten by “Who”, would be made again by some of the better ST:Next Generation stories (which probably explains my fond memories of that show).

    And, if I am not mistaken, is there the possibility of a December romantic fling for the Doctor being set up? I suspect that went over my head at age 13. Can’t wait for the next instalment!

    @winston This is a perfect entree into BG Who. I hope you enjoy it.

     

    #63097

    Just came across this. A sequence of all the regenerations. So, a

    SPOILER ALERT

    for anyone who is unfamiliar with BG Who.

    BTW, is it just me, or are others being denied access to this site because of an alert about unsuccessful attempts to login? @craig, I thought I should let you know.

     

    #63026

    @bluesqueakpip

    Alas, no love for Peter Wyngarde…

    I like the idea of a retrospective of female Time Lords, though. Perhaps, instead of “The Aztecs” (yes, one of the greats…but my favourite Hartnell?…that honour might actually go to “The Dalek Invasion of Earth”). Anyway, as “The Aztecs” isn’t actually really about Susan as Timelord, why not the early 2-parter “Edge of Destruction”? They were still trying to work out the dynamics of the characters at that early stage, and the show came in for a bit of flack as I recall because of Susan’s behaviour in the story. It’s not a perfect story, but precisely because of Susan’s behaviour, along with the idea of the Tardis playing an active role in the proceedings, it has some resonance with the way the show has developed; indeed, even with the introduction of the Whittaker Doctor. Just a thought.

    #63020

    A rare emergence from the Blenkinsop cellar to note the passing of a Who alum (and so much more) Peter Wyngarde, who was, of course, the priest Timanov in the 1984 “Planet of Fire” story.

    But there was so much more: the brooding Quint in the utterly terrifying Deborah Kerr version of “The Innocents”, the conflicted college professor in equally chilling “Night of the Eagle”, and, of course, Jason King.

    And alas, a career cut short by a culture of sexual paranoia and double standards.

    Time to locate a copy of “Planet of Fire”.

    #62939

    @thane16

    hi Thane and Puro,

    Well as an alternative (antidote?) to The Bill, I highly recommend the episode of The Comic Strip presents  “Detectives on the Edge of a Nervous Breakdown”. It is a stunningly brilliant  satire of the police shows of the 70s, compared to the police shows of the 80s and 90s, like, well…The Bill, where the episode ends.

    A 5 star recommendation.

     

     

     

    #62938

    @thane16

    Hi Thane and Puro,

    since you are both watch The Bill I will head on over to The Malvodarium to offer an alternative perspective…

    #62928

    Just rewatched with Mrs Blenkinsop and again, not a dry eye in the house. But this time realized the connection with the truly brilliant 1945 film by Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger “A Matter of Life and Death”, about an airman, who should have died, but strangely lives and “heaven” has to decide whether to correct the mistake by returning him to the point where he died or allowing him to live.

    #90 (tie) – <em>A Matter of Life and Death</em> (1946), dir. Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger

    I think I drew attention to this film when we talked about the Nethersphere, and Moffat has points of reference that he returns to, and I am certain that “A Matter of Life and Death” is one of those.

    and for anyone who has never seen the film, please, please, watch it. It is one of the most magical and filmically perfect films ever made.

     

     

    #62875

    @scaryb

    A few years back Mrs Blenkinsop and I were in Perth, Australia, for a conference, and decided (in a fit of lunacy, as it transpired) to get a ferry out to an old convict settlement on Rottnest Island which is a few miles off the coast of Western Australia in the open sea. We were travelling with a good friend from Canada. The trip started off well enough, and then the conditions changed. It was a very small passenger ferry. The ferry went up and down over each wave at an angle of about 45 degrees. All three of us remained silent. But as we caught glimpses of each other our complexions were positively green. We all knew–just knew–that we were going to die. Meanwhile, the children on the ferry were squealing with delight. As we got off the ferry, an adult behind me said to his wife, with a genuinely deep intensity: “I’m not going back.” I know exactly how he felt. Of course, at the end of the day, when we re-boarded, the sea was like a sheet of glass.

    Nonetheless, I am never, ever, going on an ocean voyage again.

    #62874

    @janetteb

    ah, but that photo was not of a cruise ship, it was the (admittedly large) car ferry that goes between the island and the mainland. A couple of weeks back Mrs Blenkinsop and I took the (very small) car ferry (which only holds a couple of dozen cars and only takes about 30 minutes) to one of the other smaller islands for a day trip. As I commented to her (and I admit the joke is getting increasingly stale after repeated use): “Why are we never invited to Captain’s table?”

    What lies behind that line is that I would hate being trapped on a cruise ship with people you would never want to be with under any other circumstances. I mean, let’s face it, getting through Christmas dinner with certain members of the extended family can be hard enough…

    #62839

    @winston

    The west coast of Vancouver Island is spectacular–partly because it is, well, sort of rugged, with the rain that comes in from the Pacific. But a wonderful, spectacular place. We live on the east coast, which is more protected — or should I say “wimpy”?

    @scaryb and @janetteb

    I was trying to think of an image that captured why it was, well, “brilliant” to live on an island, and this is the one I came up with. I suppose it it is about the ability to move from island to island.

     

     

    #62772

    @thane16

    Salutations! And warm greetings to Mum. Given the choice between Adelaide and somewhere colder, I recommend somewhere colder!

    @scaryb

    “ancient and crumbly”…and loving it! My ‘western provinces’ version of the Western Isles is just great. Thanks for asking. There is nothing quite like living on an island. Have you seen “I Know Where I’m Going”(Michael Powell, 1945) ? If you have, you will know what I mean. If you haven’t then you must watch one of the most perfect movies ever made.

    waves to @janetteb. Mid-30s? Yikes! Fortunately, my part of Canada is protected from the worst blasts of winter.

    #62770

    @scaryb Oh, I agree that the show seems like a perfect way to tell younger viewers about the Christmas truce, I only wonder if they are aware, even after having seen it, that it was a real event. Hopefully, they will have parents who know of it, or it will inspire them to find out about it in a book.

    @nerys Yes, I am with you on Rusty. I could see the point they were making, but it did not mean half as much to me as the final farewell of Bill and Nardole, which I thought was done really, really well.

    @missrori I see your point about the Testimony being another version of the Nethersphere, but I saw it more as a version of the Library, in the sense that it was a way of keeping people “alive” in a positive and uplifting way, rather the darkness that I saw as being at the heart of the Nethersphere. (To be honest, I never really quite understood the Nethersphere–fraud, reality or what?) Which brings me to…

    @bluesqueakpip

    the Moffat-Smith era felt like a golden age; the Moffat-Capaldi era never quite worked for me.

    I confess that that captures my impressions as well. I take your point about tragedy, but I tend to think it was also about a fixation, if that is not too strong a term, of Moffat on death, a fixation that began in the Smith years, but ramped up during the Capaldi era. I agree that this would make more sense if the end point was the Doctor’s end, but frankly, I am not sure what Moffat’s motivation for focussing on death so often was, but it was certainly there, and I feel it hampered the Capaldi era, by creating a rather jarring contrast between meditations on death and the light hearted portrayal of a guitar-playing Doctor. In fact, I wonder if I am implying that the truly golden years of Moffat were series 5 and 6. But that is a conversation for another thread.

     

     

    #62761

    Well, there wasn’t dry eye in the Blenkinsop household. Really liked it. Did absolutely everything work? Well, not sure about Rusty the Dalek, and that whole way of explaining the glass people, but everything else was wonderful–the dynamic between the 12th and the 1st, the treatment of the Captain (and I thought Gatiss was very good), the farewell to companions past, and the final speech (of course).  As a fan since 1963, I felt it was tailor-made for a viewer like me, but I did wonder if a child viewer would be able to take in the importance of the first Doctor, and the significance of the Christmas truce of 1914. Have not read any other comments yet, but did it seem that the Tardis was consciously expelling the new Doctor…?

    #62759

    Well, like @scaryb <waves hello!> I have been laying low for quite a while, but the last episode of Capaldi required a response. So, off to the appropriate thread…

    #62519

    Just dropping in to say hi. Cannot promise an immediate return. Life has been getting in the road a little more than I would like (and threatens to do so in the future) but I thought I would take this opportunity to say hello to everyone.

    I recently came across this clip of all the opening sequences (and theme music) from 1963 to the present. I thought it was interesting that even when it came to the imagery and music of the opening credits, that the John Nathan Turner years were the worst!

     

    #62193

    @bluesqueakpip, @craig,

    In spite of the fact that life still seems to get in the way (but reflections on The Keys of Marinus will hopefully follow soon) I can guarantee you that the attack of the mace will have have pin-point accuracy and deadly consequences!

    So… bring on The Aztecs!

    #62088

    @janetteb

    “The Aztecs” is one of my all time favourites. If they could do something as brilliant as that I would forgive Chibnall for “Broadchurch 2″…

    #62086

    Thanks @craig

    Crikey, a six episode binge! I’ll do my best.

     

    #62080

    Unconfirmed reports that the next series will feature more historical episodes. Yah! I grew up on Hartnell’s historical episodes, so am very intrigued as to how they will handle them.

    #62079

    Well, one minute I am looking forward to The Keys of Marinus and the next…well, sometimes life gets in the road. But for now, off to the spoilers page!

    #61846

    @craig

    Any chance of moving forward on @bluesqueakpip‘s suggestion? Given your recent post and the onset of Christmas it would be lots of fun. And maybe it would even attract people back on the board.

     

    #61842

    @bluesqueakpip, @whisht

    Totally in agreement–with the suggestion and with the choices. Quite a few people on the board have confessed to watching very little (if any) BG Who. Not only would it be good to revisit those great stories (and I confess to having a soft spot for “The Web Planet”) but it would help contextualize what we are likely in store for in the Christmas special.

    #61837

    @bluesqueakpip

    Count me in.

    #61784

    @winston, @bluesqueakpip,

    Thanks for that. It actually helps quite a lot. It would seem, from what you both say, that he has a lot of range. It makes me even more impatient for, what, Autumn 2018? (Or, if I was still in Australia, Spring 2018.)

    #61781

    I spent most of my life in Australia watching lots of British TV. Now I am in Canada, and still watch British TV, but I am completely unaware of Bradley Walsh. I can only assume he represents a part of British popular culture I would be unlikely to watch.

    Could someone contextualize him for me?

     

    #61775

    @mccottonthedoctorfan

    I agree. And I think the Christmas episode will be like “It’s a Wonderful Life”, as he comes to realise why he has to live (albeit in a different body).

    #61742

    @janetteb. Great companion spotting! But I think that was Anthony Ainley as the Master.

    #61740

    @craig, and everybody really,

    As we wait for Christmas (and the future), and as Christmas will be about linking up with the Hartnell era, and as, well, there isn’t much happening on the site at the moment, I wonder if there is an opportunity to have a discussion about the early years of Who (to contextualize the Christmas pairing of the 1st  and the 12th Doctors)?

    One idea might be to look at the impact, influence, ideas, of early “showrunners” (even though that is a modern term). Like, well, obviously, Verity Lambert. Or, alternatively, perhaps directors, like Douglas Camfield. Or writers, like Terry Nation.

    Others might have better suggestions, but, in this waiting time, there might be some interesting discussions to be had. And raising the profile, knowledge of, and interest in, BG Who, as we approach the Christmas blending of BG and AG Who, might be sort of fun.

     

    #61717

    Just popped by to support @jimthefish‘s suggestion that this thread has probably outlived its use-by date. It seems to be sucking all the oxygen from what might otherwise be some really interesting discussions, reflections and outrageously bonkers theories on other aspects of the show we all love so much.

     

    #61641

    @winston

    You have nailed it.

    Let’s move on.

    To the future.

    #61582

    @jimthefish

    It is very late here in western Canada, and I was idly checking things before I retired for the night, and then I read your post. Specifically, the last paragraph. I was gobsmacked. It is hard to know how to respond. Is there an internet link to it?

    One comes across unacceptable behaviour all the time, both on the national/international stage, and at a more personal and immediate level, but your story is just, well…appalling.

    I am still trying to get my head around it. Could this still be happening in the 21st century? And rather than denying it, could it still be being justified? It is the latter I am most appalled, mystified and angry about.

    #61572

    I don’t believe I have ever used this thread before. Actually, I am surprised it exists (thanks @craig!) but I just wanted to share the fact that the American playwright (and actor) Sam Shepard has died. I remember seeing his “Curse of the Starving Class” at the theatre back in the 1970s (or was it the 80s?) and thought (and still think) it was one of the the best plays of the 20th century.

    Here is one of the many obitutories
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/theater/sam-shepard-dead.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
    I recommend reading the comments. Not only do they demonstrate that there is an alternative to the infantile bile one reads on the Guardian comments, but they demonstrate the importance of the man in American culture.

    #61524

    @nerys — I agree with you 100%, and if it was possible to agree with you more than 100% I would!

    In many respects, I regard this site as the very best of a combination of a discussion among friends at the pub and a graduate seminar; neither work all the time, but when they do they restore your faith in humanity — nerdy humanity, of course…

    #61446

    @wolfweed, @jimthefish — love the idea of the 1st rengerating into the 13th! They couldn’t come more timely-wimey than that. And that really would be a form of SM hubris–particularly if 12 gave his regeneration energy to 1, and then died. It would mean SM would have literally ended Doctor Who the show as we know it and Chibnall would be re-booting the show…from the beginning! Talk about a time paradox.

    But it won’t happen. And so I think we are safe from Moffat hubris, @nick. I would think better examples of hubris were actually Lucas when he made Han shoot first. The hubris was thinking that the story was his “property” to do with what he wanted. Another example would be Ridley Scott when he changed the 20 foot tall alien welded to the pilot’s chair in the alien spaceship in “Alien” into an 8 foot tall humanoid in a spacesuit in “Prometheus”, completely changing the context of the original story and diminishing the epic grandeur and wonder of the original, all because he regarded it as “his” property.

    Moffat is too much of a fan to regard the show as his property to do with what he will.

    Totally agree with @bluesqueakpip that we should have a rewatch of “The Tenth Planet” before Christmas.

    #61397

    Oh dear, I spent so much time typing that @jimthefish got in there first. Back to the cup of tea.

    #61396

    @nick — the Tom Baker “story” is a typical Mirror/Sun “twist the facts to suit the headline” tactic. In fact, he said that a woman Doctor Who might be quite fun, but that if the ratings collapsed the BBC could always have her regenerate early to restore the show’s ratings. All perfectly true. But the Mirror/Sun tactic is to hide that behind a lurid and misleading headline in order to maintain, or even create, a supposed groundswell of cultural anger.

    This is what I think Moffat was complaining about. I don’t think he was dismissing the views of those with contrary opinions, rather he was making the perfectly valid point that the gutter press is, well, in the gutter, and is complicit in creating and maintaining a “moral panic” of sorts that has little foundation in reality.

    As for Peter Purves, his statement that he would be “horrified” by a female Doctor, was made 6 days ago, before the JW announcement. Of course, he may have changed his mind, but we don’t know because the gutter press want to use his statement as further evidence of post-announcement outrage that has probably disappeared after the attention-seeking twitter trolls posted their click-bait opinions a couple of days ago. So, I would hesitate from beating up a 78 year-old past presenter of Blue Peter on the street (ahem, @wolfweed). I would much prefer we simply ignore the Mirror/Sun version of the press while we figure out a way of raising the standard of public debate, and look forward to a future that includes Doctor Who but lacks the Mirror, the Sun and their ilk.

    <ok, Blenkinsop climbs down off his soapbox and shuffles off to make a cup of tea>

    #61381

    @wolfweed

    I am now waiting to see how the Daily Mail and the Sun use quotes like “I’m not a real Doctor” and “I don’t know what to do!”. Given that they sunk to the depths of publishing naked photos of Jodie Whittaker, I imagine the usual double standard will kick in.

    #61373

    @countscarlioni

    By golly, you are right…the left-hand side of the moustache goes off in a completely different direction to the right-hand side!

    #61363

    @jimthefish

    While I love “The War Games”, it is 2nd Doctor story (which not to say that someone playing Troughton might not appear) and I am not sure the majority of the audience would understand the context without a lot of exposition. But my main reason for doubting it is that if Gatiss is playing the Brigadier’s father or grandfather then it would have to be set in the actual First World War.

    But, hey, it’s Moffat, so anything’s possible!

    #61349

    @craig, @devilishrobby

    Absolutely. Probably the father of the Brigadier, or even conceivably the grandfather. And it would all make sense if his character is one who is supposed to represent a “resonant echo in the whole Doctor Who story”.

    Really looking forward to it!

    #61340

    @wolfweed, @craig, @jimththefish

    What a great trailer! I have a strong feeling that the name of the army officer played by Mark Gatiss will be revealed to be…Lethbridge-Stewart.

    #61330

    @jimthefish. Yes, agree that the second Cushing film is the superior one. Of course, it was based on arguably the best story of BG Who, so that is not surprising.

    By the way, does anyone know if Roberta Tovey is related to Russell Tovey?

    #61323

    Actually, the more I think about it, it might be rather nice if there could be some oblique way of referencing the Peter Cushing movies. Something like including, in some capacity, the actress Roberta Tovey, who played Susan in both movies.

    #61321

    Or Moffat could have one last opportunity to change canon, and Gatiss could play the Peter Cushing Doctor…

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